Weight loss : strategies to optimize it

wackyfunster

Re: age. My parents are around 60, and have had great results (1 lb. per week fat loss) on a basic leangains regimen. They were both already in decent shape, so that's a pretty big accomplishment. Suggests age is not as big a factor as people tend to think.

suziecue66

Re: age. My parents are around 60, and have had great results (1 lb. per week fat loss) on a basic leangains regimen. They were both already in decent shape, so that's a pretty big accomplishment. Suggests age is not as big a factor as people tend to think.

Maybe it's not that age is a big factor but the longer someone has been a yo-yo dieter. If you have been fairly weight stable throughout your life weight loss later in life may be easier than those that had big weight fluctuations.

suziecue66

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Do you have any idea of much much vitamine C we should take ?
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is it 1000mg (1g).

wackyfunster

Re: age. My parents are around 60, and have had great results (1 lb. per week fat loss) on a basic leangains regimen. They were both already in decent shape, so that's a pretty big accomplishment. Suggests age is not as big a factor as people tend to think.

Maybe it's not that age is a big factor but the longer someone has been a yo-yo dieter. If you have been fairly weight stable throughout your life weight loss later in life may be easier than those that had big weight fluctuations.

I don't think it matters. I have about a dozen friends and family who have used different varieties of what we are talking about here, and all have seen fast and impressive results, even a friend with Hashimoto's (thyroid disorder).

IF+calorie and carb cycling+weight training just works, and with very minimal time investment.

AngelAura777

www.leangains.com great read!

suziecue66

Re: age. My parents are around 60, and have had great results (1 lb. per week fat loss) on a basic leangains regimen. They were both already in decent shape, so that's a pretty big accomplishment. Suggests age is not as big a factor as people tend to think.

Maybe it's not that age is a big factor but the longer someone has been a yo-yo dieter. If you have been fairly weight stable throughout your life weight loss later in life may be easier than those that had big weight fluctuations.

I don't think it matters. I have about a dozen friends and family who have used different varieties of what we are talking about here, and all have seen fast and impressive results, even a friend with Hashimoto's (thyroid disorder).

IF+calorie and carb cycling+weight training just works, and with very minimal time investment.

Thanks.

ksmekate41

Yea, I think genetics plays a huge factor in how big or small you remain throughout time. I just watched a professional bike race in Switzerland, and they showed the stats on one guy being 5'9" and 154 lbs. Wow. I wasn't that thin in high school! I was 5'7" and 170-175. I didn't look like I was very much heavier than the rest of my class, but a whole lot denser, for some reason. Could be those Viking genes I'm carrying around.

suziecue66

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wackyfunster

Yea, I think genetics plays a huge factor in how big or small you remain throughout time. I just watched a professional bike race in Switzerland, and they showed the stats on one guy being 5'9" and 154 lbs. Wow. I wasn't that thin in high school! I was 5'7" and 170-175. I didn't look like I was very much heavier than the rest of my class, but a whole lot denser, for some reason. Could be those Viking genes I'm carrying around.

I honestly think fasting plays a bigger role than genetics in most cases. Someone who regularly skips breakfast (say 50% of the time) is burning something like 5 pounds a year of fat more than someone who eats 5 meals a day "to keep their metabolism going". That adds up to a LOT over time.

It's funny that everyone is now jumping on the paleo/natural eating bandwagon without thinking about IF: did cavemen have a fridge/grocery store and unlimited supply of food? IF has been a natural part of man's evolution, and is integral to cellular and metabolic maintenance.

I think general nutrition and activity levels play a much larger role than any other factors though. It's more a matter of people trying whatever the fitness industry snake-oil salesmen are peddling, finding out it doesn't work, and deciding that their level of fitness is beyond their control. It's not... It's just almost impossible to find good, effective info on weight loss. Since most strategies that DO work contradict what fitness mags, and "that one guy in the gym (you know, the really ripped one!)" say (carbs and raspberry ketones!), people dismiss them.

suziecue66

Yea, I think genetics plays a huge factor in how big or small you remain throughout time. I just watched a professional bike race in Switzerland, and they showed the stats on one guy being 5'9" and 154 lbs. Wow. I wasn't that thin in high school! I was 5'7" and 170-175. I didn't look like I was very much heavier than the rest of my class, but a whole lot denser, for some reason. Could be those Viking genes I'm carrying around.

I honestly think fasting plays a bigger role than genetics in most cases. Someone who regularly skips breakfast (say 50% of the time) is burning something like 5 pounds a year of fat more than someone who eats 5 meals a day "to keep their metabolism going". That adds up to a LOT over time.

It's funny that everyone is now jumping on the paleo/natural eating bandwagon without thinking about IF: did cavemen have a fridge/grocery store and unlimited supply of food? IF has been a natural part of man's evolution, and is integral to cellular and metabolic maintenance.

I think general nutrition and activity levels play a much larger role than any other factors though. It's more a matter of people trying whatever the fitness industry snake-oil salesmen are peddling, finding out it doesn't work, and deciding that their level of fitness is beyond their control. It's not... It's just almost impossible to find good, effective info on weight loss. Since most strategies that DO work contradict what fitness mags, and "that one guy in the gym (you know, the really ripped one!)" say (carbs and raspberry ketones!), people dismiss them.

I do like IF. Haven't done it for a while but did 16 hrs from 8pm last night to 12 noon today. The guy from Lean Saloon used IF to slim down and uses it now in maintenance to be able to eat what ever he chooses.

Crazy4Healthy

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pattan59801

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hedgiie

For me I take a break, i mean if I cut down carbs(>=100g per day) then I'll take a break to about 2 days then going back again to usual low carb. If i do HIIT for few days, i take break. Or if I get my protein from fish sometimes i get them through red meat, etc. etc. etc. I keep on changing both eat nutrition and workout. however i always make sure that the my protein is within range.

now I haven't mention anything about lep... neu...thy... or any of those... yes i do sometimes gain weight but always end up few pounds lighter from the previous 2 weeks that i weigh in. Also, i only target to lose about 0.5lb per week...

thoughts?

PercivalHackworth

Thank suziecue66, it the right dosage :-D

I totally agree with wacky, diet methods, IF for us here is able to go against any biaised pretext that you would put on genetics.

We know the body adapts to the activity - the more you train, the more you need to eat, the more you lose. No need to go futher than that.
An interesting study showed how it was possible to update somes genes expression when it comes to intermittent fasting an fat desposition/ storage.
What does that mean ? well simply that contrary to other diets methods, if we consider it more like a lifestyle (I do actually) you also will be able to see gains on the long term. Even if it's about optimising our fitness, no need to tell that being healthy, free from any modern diseases is a bonus.

Our study demonstrates that the transcription of the Fsp27 gene in adipose tissue may be induced in response to nutritional stimuli. Furthermore, PPARγ2, C/EBPα, and insulin may be involved in the nutritional regulation of FSP27. Thus intermittent fasting, despite lower caloric intake, may promote triacylglycerol deposition in WAT by increasing the expression of genes involved in lipid storage, such as Fsp27.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21996045
http://www.jbc.org/content/282/47/34213.full.pdf

If we go back a little, when we talked about the cycling, what happens through time if you keep making your cycling difference bigger from training days and rest days, for instance : +50/ -50%, how the metabolism adapts ?




@hedgiie sure about what ?

mel128

Very informative. Bump for later.

Zarienz

awesome, im reading this... thank you.

chattipatty2

bump this. Somewhat confused...will re-read later.

rosiecotton

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nyxt

I don't understand a thing. Can anyone explain in simple terms?

NoWeighJose74

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hedgiie

Thank suziecue66, it the right dosage :-D

I totally agree with wacky, diet methods, IF for us here is able to go against any biaised pretext that you would put on genetics.

We know the body adapts to the activity - the more you train, the more you need to eat, the more you lose. No need to go futher than that.
An interesting study showed how it was possible to update somes genes expression when it comes to intermittent fasting an fat desposition/ storage.
What does that mean ? well simply that contrary to other diets methods, if we consider it more like a lifestyle (I do actually) you also will be able to see gains on the long term. Even if it's about optimising our fitness, no need to tell that being healthy, free from any modern diseases is a bonus.

Our study demonstrates that the transcription of the Fsp27 gene in adipose tissue may be induced in response to nutritional stimuli. Furthermore, PPARγ2, C/EBPα, and insulin may be involved in the nutritional regulation of FSP27. Thus intermittent fasting, despite lower caloric intake, may promote triacylglycerol deposition in WAT by increasing the expression of genes involved in lipid storage, such as Fsp27.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21996045
http://www.jbc.org/content/282/47/34213.full.pdf

If we go back a little, when we talked about the cycling, what happens through time if you keep making your cycling difference bigger from training days and rest days, for instance : +50/ -50%, how the metabolism adapts ?




@hedgiie sure about what ?

making sure that protein is within range, sugar is minimized or nothing if i could. carbs is cycled between medium to low.

suziecue66

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garlic7girl

Did we ever get the final answer??

PercivalHackworth

There is no specific answer, if you are looking for the perfect one. We just saw through different things how to make your body's development optimum. I started to work on several protocols, almost done, that present a program to follow for serveral body types. But if you read everything, you already have all the answers for you

@ hedgiie : I wanted to review your diary, but it's locked.
What are your macros numbers ?

TXHunny84

This is the most intellectually thought out thread I have ever read on MFP. Bravo everyone!

PercivalHackworth

Thank you TXHunny84
The protocols are almost done, but I'm kinda lazy lately hehe

suziecue66

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tracypk

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