Thoughts on Pro-Anorexia Diets
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Actually, it IS OP's business because one of these people sent her a friend request. If these low-cal eaters (whatever if they have a disorder or not) wouldn't try to friend request every skinny person and their mother then it would be such a big deal.
And you can tell yourself eating 800 calories a day is healthy for you, sure it is. But don't expect to win over opinions with that one.
It is still none of the OP's business. Reject the friend request and keep it moving.
I can tell you that if people cut the CRAP and processed JUNK out of their way of eating they could eat enough vegetables, proteins and fats for adequate nutrition on 800 or 900 calories per day.
It is NOT about the number, it is all about the QUALITY0 -
So you mean by not posting whats being told to kids and adults are the way to go.... Ignorance is bliss?????
I'm really sorry that it reminds you of what you have had to go through and I'm sure it brings back very bad memories, but I did not post it to cause pain or hurt you or anyone thats been there or struggling right now.
I did it to show people what is out there freely available to our kids - as a warning to be AWARE of this.
Knowledge is Power.
I don't think you need reminder in the form of a post like that, I'm fairly sure you live with your reminders every day. And I don't mean that in a bad way....You just confirmed what lots of people on this thread has said: ED is a disease, a wrecker of life. And once again - Knowledge is power.... I needed to KNOW what is out there that can destroy my daughters life! And I'll share that knowledge with everyone that will listen! Not to hurt or cause pain, but to hopefully save a girl from the hurt and pain you are very well aware of.
I truly hope you do not stay away from this forum - there are too much good for you to benefit from by staying involved. If you could use your knowledge to save another, it would be even wonderful.
I wish you only the best.
No, she's saying that you shouldn't post TRIGGERING content on the boards where members who are using this site "correctly" might see it! You could have at least put a trigger warning, jesus. Get off your bloody high horse and THINK about where you're posting this! You could have linked to the website with a TW, rather than put that to see!0 -
WELL SAID!!!!
I'm really really sick of reading your posts. Every freaking topic is an excuse for you to argue starvation and claim it's ok to eat very little. You show a picture of the Minnesota Starvation Experiment and then claim starvation isn't real.
Starvation Mode is a REAL THING.
NO, you will NOT hold on to all your fat, as your picture states. But yes, you will lose weight at a slightly slower rate than if you ate a little more, so why not eat 1400 or 1500 and lose the same as 800, to eat 800 would be intentional deprivation to the point of having the "control issues" mindset that defines anorexia.
Also, you will drastically damage your metabolism to the point where if you ever tried to eat your previous TDEE to maintain, you would gain, since your TDEE would have been drastically reduced.
Why would anyone promote "slower weight loss while being really hungry and ruining your metabolism long term", over "eating a healthy amount over BMR, still losing, and having energy and being healthy"?
Your argument is invalid, sir.
Yes, many people use "starvation mode" VERY VERY wrong. They say they're "in it" if they fast one day (IF is actually very good, IMO), or worry if they eat very low ONE day they'll be "in it" when it really takes a LONG period of time at significantly reduced calories to be affected by Adaptive Thermogenesis (starvation mode's REAL name). And NO, you WILL NOT hold onto ALL your fat, you will STILL lose weight while in SM but your BMR is lowering itself and you would be in less of a deficit due to that and therefore could lose the same amount eating more, so WHY eat less?0 -
While I agree that the term "starvation mode" is misused and falls in the alarmist category but you are kind of being a dick about it.
Yar loves to argue....
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I have to agree that it wasn't the best idea to post the instructions on developing an ED here. It's like putting a glass of beer in front of a recovering alcoholic.0
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I agree with the guy who said "starvation" is an alarmist term as used for the most part in the US. If you are 100 pounds overweight, then you have well enough energy stores to eat 500 calories a day for a long time without "starving."
Starving is those kids on TV from Africa, and those rare few who truly do have eating disorders and look like walking skeletons.0 -
It is still none of the OP's business. Reject the friend request and keep it moving.
I can tell you that if people cut the CRAP and processed JUNK out of their way of eating they could eat enough vegetables, proteins and fats for adequate nutrition on 800 or 900 calories per day.
It is NOT about the number, it is all about the QUALITY
I disagree that someone can complain about what others say about their diet when they have friend requested that person. If you don't want others to see your diet, make it private and don't friend people unless you know they have the same disorder you do. And sorry, I don't think 800 calories a day, no matter what you are eating is a sustainable way to lose weight. But we can agree to disagree.0 -
Truly wish you didn't post that. There is a reason a lot of people in recovery are on My FITNESS Pal. I read forum posts to be motivated, and feel supported. Not be reminded of the similar tragic cycle I was stuck in for over 10 years.
We all know what 'pro-ana' is. Didn't need to post anything. I'm going to stay away from this forum for a while.
I didn't quote the right response, but okay.
There is a difference between showing the terrible natures of anorexia and bulimia and posting a step-by-step outline of how to develop an eating disorder of your own volition (as in, you realize you're doing it, you're doing it for certain weight loss goals, etc.). The truth of the matter is that it CAN be very triggering to some people, hence the reason someone awhile back said, "This site can be very detrimental to those with eating disorders"...and not only those who are actively suffering, but those who are recovering. You can certainly say what you want to say, and while, yes, it is ignorant to think that these things don't exist, it's not really necessary to share a 'how-to' guide, even if you think it is just spreading awareness.0 -
I would think that there would be all kinds off triggers on a site where the majority of people are trying to lose weight. There are alcoholics on this site and people talk about alcohol, there are those with food addictions too...
No, she's saying that you shouldn't post TRIGGERING content on the boards where members who are using this site "correctly" might see it! You could have at least put a trigger warning, jesus. Get off your bloody high horse and THINK about where you're posting this! You could have linked to the website with a TW, rather than put that to see!0 -
There is a difference between showing the terrible nature that is anorexia and posting a step-by-step outline of how to develop an eating disorder of your own volition (as in, you realize you're doing it, you're doing it for certain weight loss goals, etc.). The truth of the matter is that it CAN be very triggering to some people, hence the reason someone awhile back said, "This site can be very detrimental to those with eating disorders"...and not only those who are actively suffering, but those who are recovering. You can certainly say what you want to say, and while, yes, it is ignorant to think that these things don't exist, it's not really necessary to share a 'how-to' guide, even if you think it is just spreading awareness.
Furthermore, it would've been pretty easy to provide a link instead of pasting it into the thread.0 -
I know someone eating low (<1000), exercising like crazy (P90X and gym), and not eating her exercise calories back. I just don't see this as a sustainable lifestyle change. I don't know what her longterm plan is, but I don't see how it can work at the rate she is going. I feel like I've been eating too much at times. I eat every 2-3 hours a day and aim for just under 1900 calories. The weight is coming off...slowly, but it's still coming off. I don't need to lose 4 lbs in a week. 1-2 lbs a week is fine with me. What I've changed about my life is sustainable for me in the longterm. It is sad knowing someone will likely fail when they are trying so hard (maybe too hard) to lose the weight too fast.0
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I would think that there would be all kinds off triggers on a site where the majority of people are trying to lose weight. There are alcoholics on this site and people talk about alcohol, there are those with food addictions too...
I do agree with this, but, again, a step-by-step guide to developing an eating disorder on a public forum is a bit extreme0 -
I stumbled upon an 18 year old's page yesterday who is pro anorexic and she posts links to an incredibly disturbing anorexic website. This child is going to die if she continues this way. She eats less than 800 cals/day and posts in her notes in her food diary her goal weight....hoping to get into the 80s or 90s. As a mother, it pains me to see people this sick. What can we do?0
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Unless you have been there you have no idea. I have struggled with my weight for years, belemia was my devil and it took a long time to get away from that. Have also been very heavy, food has always been my downfall whether too much or too little. It is very hard to find that middle ground when it is all you think of. To the guy stuck on starvation, seriously get over it. You just want to argue and there are other places you can find to do that. This is a very serious subject and your dumb stuff needs to go away.
Finding the "middle ground," the nuanced approach, is part of healthy living, and part of your recovery process as someone who had bulimia. It is not helpful when people keep repeating statements that aren't correct, for example, that a 1,200 calorie minimum "guideline" is a rule. In fact, some healthy people need to eat less. They aren't starving.
***I, agree, anyone on a very low-calorie diet should have the diet vetted by a dietitian and/or be supervised.*** But healthy people have lost weight on fewer than 1,200 calories.
If you have an ED you ought to be seeing professionals and should know what your proper caloric range is. You should know what healthy fitness is. Maybe if you are so susceptible to other people's views you shouldn't be on a weight loss board at at all. (I'm not saying that you should leave, but it's not fair that everyone here is expected to act as if they are recovering from an ED.)
I wish you luck, but it is your job to manage your illness.0 -
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Talking about alcohol in front of an alcoholic is different than putting a beer in front of him. What was posted previously is equivalent to putting the beer in front of the alcoholic. It was a bad idea and I'm going to report it and all posts after that quote it. It shouldn't be there.0
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I stumbled upon an 18 year old's page yesterday who is pro anorexic and she posts links to an incredibly disturbing anorexic website. This child is going to die if she continues this way. She eats less than 800 cals/day and posts in her notes in her food diary her goal weight....hoping to get into the 80s or 90s. As a mother, it pains me to see people this sick. What can we do?
Contact her parents. Change Society so people feel less vulnerable and are less inclined to express a desire for control in this way.0 -
Like someone else said, it would have been just as easy to post the link to the website.0
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This site is for adults, I appreciated the info as I have kids and like to be made aware of what may be promoted on the internet. There is more than one way be anorexic. My grandmother has anorexia and eats very little (sometimes just dry bread) and walks. Please don't take this as a step-by-step guide.
I do agree with this, but, again, a step-by-step guide to developing an eating disorder on a public forum is a bit extreme
If you have anorexia you likely will find triggers under the weight loss help section of the forums (even as examples of what is unhealthy) so I would suggest avoiding certain topics until you feel you can handle it.0 -
Contact her parents. Change Society so people feel less vulnerable and are less inclined to express a desire for control in this way.
How? Generally people don't list their next of kin's contact details on their tumblr account.0 -
I know someone eating low (<1000), exercising like crazy (P90X and gym), and not eating her exercise calories back. I just don't see this as a sustainable lifestyle change. I don't know what her longterm plan is, but I don't see how it can work at the rate she is going. I feel like I've been eating too much at times. I eat every 2-3 hours a day and aim for just under 1900 calories. The weight is coming off...slowly, but it's still coming off. I don't need to lose 4 lbs in a week. 1-2 lbs a week is fine with me. What I've changed about my life is sustainable for me in the longterm. It is sad knowing someone will likely fail when they are trying so hard (maybe too hard) to lose the weight too fast.
Her long term plan is to eventually wear her central nervous system down, get sick, not be able to workout for a while, gain back what she lost and eventually have to start over....or give up.0 -
People get into a vicious cycle and the outdated dieting beliefs are to blame. You're always told to eat less and move more, but sometimes that really isn't the answer. They get to the point where they start to lose their lean mass rapidly, and their BMR falls accordingly, so to keep losing weight they cut their intake and exercise even more, which leads to more lean mass loss and their BMR falls accordingly, so to keep losing weight they cut their intake and exercise even more, which leads to more lean mass loss and their BMR falls accordingly, so to keep losing weight they cut their intake and exercise even more, which leads to more lean mass loss and their BMR falls accordingly, so to keep losing weight they cut their intake and exercise even more, which leads to more lean mass loss and their BMR falls accordingly, so to keep losing weight they cut their intake and exercise even more, which leads to more lean mass loss and their BMR falls accordingly, so to keep losing weight they cut their intake and exercise even more, which leads to more lean mass loss and their BMR falls accordingly, so to keep losing weight they cut their intake and exercise even more, which leads to more lean mass loss and their BMR falls accordingly...you get the idea
This is it exactly, well put!0 -
Talking about alcohol in front of an alcoholic is different than putting a beer in front of him. What was posted previously is equivalent to putting the beer in front of the alcoholic. It was a bad idea and I'm going to report it and all posts after that quote it. It shouldn't be there.
By all means do so then.
I didn't mean any harm, and like someone else commented, this forum is huge and there is triggers being posted just about all the time.
In hindsite I would have posted the link rather. And I'm sure that the lady that originally commented on it would have followed that link and seen it anyway. Not only the post but the whole website where she can get lost in a world of support in the insanity of the diet. Wonder if that would have been better?
Good luck to everyone that does struggle with this every day. I'm going to do my best to keep my child from it.0 -
This is fitness site (and a weight loss forum), akin to an alcoholic going to a bar. I don't think the crowd should refrain from drinking in front of him. It would be up to him to avoid such places if they were triggers.Talking about alcohol in front of an alcoholic is different than putting a beer in front of him. What was posted previously is equivalent to putting the beer in front of the alcoholic. It was a bad idea and I'm going to report it and all posts after that quote it. It shouldn't be there.0 -
I used to be like that and it led to me developing an eating disorder, anorexia nervosa.
It's true, diets such as the ABC Diet and the Skinny Girl Diet are horrible- they lead to so many problems, the first of which being EDs. You don't NEED a psychiatrist, but it's recommended, because then you'll get the help you need, like I did.
Eating so much calories may seem frightening, trust me I know, but it's the only way to be healthy, along with regular exercise.
Skinny isn't beautiful; it's deadly.
So chin up lovelies.
I just googled these diets and I can't believe someone would even try this nonsense
I was reading the message boards on tumblr and one of them is eating 300 calories a day and she wants to start Tae Kwon Do. As a martal artist I am appalled at this. She is setting herself up for serious injuries by not eating enough to support her bones and muscles . It's sad that some of them are even trying to hide it from their parents. They are young women who are naive and don't realize what they are doing to their bodies 0 -
I was starving for information till I came across this thread. Now I just want to cut my head of to stop the pain.
I am posting a link on how to do this. If it is a trigger for you, do not click.
If you are depressed, do not click
If you are on any medication, check with your doctor before clicking.
If you have small children in a 10 mile radius, do not click
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/HowTo:Cut_Your_Own_Head_Off_With_a_Chainsaw0 -
This is fitness site (and a weight loss forum), akin to an alcoholic going to a bar. I don't think the crowd should refrain from drinking in front of him. It would be up to him to avoid such places if they were triggers.
Oh, FPS. She posted a STEP BY STEP GUIDE. How do you people NOT see the problem with this?
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I think what you put up is akin to putting up a Paula Deen recipe as an example of how not to eat.
By all means do so then.
I didn't mean any harm, and like someone else commented, this forum is huge and there is triggers being posted just about all the time.
In hindsite I would have posted the link rather. And I'm sure that the lady that originally commented on it would have followed that link and seen it anyway. Not only the post but the whole website where she can get lost in a world of support in the insanity of the diet. Wonder if that would have been better?
Good luck to everyone that does struggle with this every day. I'm going to do my best to keep my child from it.0 -
Oh, FPS. She posted a STEP BY STEP GUIDE. How do you people NOT see the problem with this?
*bangs head*
I agree this was a bit over the top. My only issue is that it must just be super easy to find this, so a forum post on mfp isn't going to make it any easier than a google search.0 -
This is fitness site (and a weight loss forum), akin to an alcoholic going to a bar. I don't think the crowd should refrain from drinking in front of him. It would be up to him to avoid such places if they were triggers.
I'm not justifying the posting of that anorexic regime (which I didn't read, as it was irrelevant to the first post). But, to your point, a diabetic doesn't expect sugar to be banned or photos of cake to be censored. But maybe s/he avoids fora on how to make sugary baked goods. If you have an illness it is your responsibility to protect yourself, and you certainly shouldn't be spreading misinformation.0
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