North Carolina Amendment to Ban Gay Marriage, thoughts?

myfitnessnmhoy

Marriage is a religious thing, so shouldn't the church be aloud to say no.

Marriage has two components, a religious component and a secular one.

The religious component is, should always be, and hopefully will always be the domain of one's chosen religion. No religion should be forced to accept or recognize the religious component of a marriage they disagree with (this has to do with acceptance by their God or Gods, acceptance of people as members of their religion, etc). This is an important freedom to defend - the right of people to practice their religion in the way they see fit.

The secular component has more to do with inheritance law, spousal access to the deathbed and/or critical care, common law, shared property, insurance, and a series of financial and legal things that society offers to married couples. This imparts certain rights to the couple to make it easier to live as a couple.

As an example, I was married by a Justice of the Peace in a rented hall. There was absolutely no religious component to my (heterosexual) marriage. I do not ask any Church, Synagogue, or other religious institution to accept, recognize, or even acknowledge my marriage. Never have, never will.

I have devout family members to this day who refuse to accept my 20+ year marriage as valid in the eyes of their God, and think of my daughter as a *kitten* child in the eyes of their God, and I believe that is their absolute right to see it that way if they so wish, and if they refuse to allow me in their home I will accept their wishes. Regretfully, but it's their religion and their God and their home. It's too bad, because they are really nice people, but they've decided they don't want "my kind" in their life any more. And that's their RIGHT.

I will defend a religion's right to practice what they wish as vigorously as I will defend an individual's right to marry whom they wish.

springseternal

homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else.

that's funny. I say the same thing about religion.

jnh17

I have a question, If the separation of church and state is so important in this country... why is everyone trying to push for legalizing gay marriages. Marriage is a religious thing, so shouldn't the church be aloud to say no.

I could be mistaken, never looked into marriage, but the only thing that changes, from being a living together situation, is someone's name changes.

Actually, marriage is a legal contract. My husband and I were married in a civil ceremony with the County Clerk officiating. No church involved. We enjoy the same benefits as anyone married in a church, including next-of-kin status, federal tax breaks, employer insurance benefits, etc. Why should I have these rights but not, say, my co-worker and her partner?

If those two people married in a church (who are now married in the eyes of God) don't sign a LEGAL CONTRACT, they are not married in the eyes of the law. It's a legal contract, damn it we should call it that...

MrsAlcalde

To the fool that told me to FOYC, well, aren't you the classy and intelligent one, sliding in anonymously on a thread to spew your venom.:laugh:

Shfiftyfive

Welcome to The South.

vade43113

Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.

I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.

So do you practice that one quote from Leviticus... If they curse at their mother or father they shall be put to death.
That would suck.

LOVE IT! Oh and being gay IS NOT a choice. If you believe in "god" and are a true "christian" your suppose to accept and love everyone unconditionally

There is a difference between love and lust. But in the english language, and modern day, we have combine the two... stupidly....

classycouture

homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else.

that's funny. I say the same thing about religion.

Thank you!

I will now graciously bow out of this thread before I lose my mind and temper. I have no patiences for discrimination, nor the people who condone it. You all have a fantastic day. :happy:

vade43113

I have a question, If the separation of church and state is so important in this country... why is everyone trying to push for legalizing gay marriages. Marriage is a religious thing, so shouldn't the church be aloud to say no.

I could be mistaken, never looked into marriage, but the only thing that changes, from being a living together situation, is someone's name changes.

Actually, marriage is a legal contract. My husband and I were married in a civil ceremony with the County Clerk officiating. No church involved. We enjoy the same benefits as anyone married in a church, including next-of-kin status, federal tax breaks, employer insurance benefits, etc. Why should I have these rights but not, say, my co-worker and her partner?

If those two people married in a church (who are now married in the eyes of God) don't sign a LEGAL CONTRACT, they are not married in the eyes of the law. It's a legal contract, damn it we should call it that...

Agreed

PapaverSomniferum

nb4 lock

Shfiftyfive

Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.

I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.

Your imaginary friend is more of a choice than sexual orientation.

GasMasterFlash

nb4 lock

After already having posted in the thread? :huh:

daveclrk58

The people of North Carolina spoke. I'm not from North Carolina, so my opinion has no bearing on thier states rights. They did the most democratic and fair thing possible by letting the people vote.

Sascha

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PapaverSomniferum

nb4 lock

After already having posted in the thread? :huh:

had to post the incest map

EmCarroll1990

Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.

I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.

You're so ignorant it's actually humorous. Homosexuality is not a choice. People do not choose who they love. Open your eyes, get your head out of the Bible and look around.

MrsAlcalde

Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.

I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.

I don't think anyone's trying to force people into gay marriage. They just want you to mind your own business.

Never said anyone was trying to force people into gay marriage, I said gay people can not force people to accept thier lifestyle, so I am minding my business.

doorki

Actually, the Constitution states that no State Law can supersede the Federal Law. Since marriage is a civil right, it is covered by the Constitution.

Biggipooh

Coming from germany, I sometimes think, some states here live behind the moon. It shouldn't even be an issue anymore and these religious traditions are just annoying. They have no good reasons for that.

doorki

Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.

I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.

I don't think anyone's trying to force people into gay marriage. They just want you to mind your own business.

Never said anyone was trying to force people into gay marriage, I said gay people can not force people to accept thier lifestyle, so I am minding my business.

No one is forcing you to accept their lifestyle, just let them have the same rights as everyone else. You can still keep them out of your church and such.

Tennolina

Welcome to The South.

The same ban exists in 29 other states. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the ban, just don't make this a southern thing, please.

MrsAlcalde

Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.

I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.

You're so ignorant it's actually humorous. Homosexuality is not a choice. People do not choose who they love. Open your eyes, get your head out of the Bible and look around.

So you MUST have sex with person???? I mean I am heterosexual and I don't HAVE to have sex or be in a relationship with a person. I prefer to keep my head in the Bible, at least it makes sense to me. But thanks for your opinion, this is a thread to state your PERSONAL opinion, this is NOT a debate. Your comments will not change my mind or my view point, at least I am not being rude like MOST of you who are responding to my OPINION.

mrmanmeat

This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach that it passed, but I was wondering what you all thought about it... Feel free to weigh in.

Personally, I don't care... no offence.

I am not for it, but I am not going to condemn someone for what they do in their spare time, nor who they love.

Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder, or move to another state for a short time, to be able to be married. Then move back. I don't think they can remove the certificate even if the law bans the marriage it self.

Actually they can. If NC doesn't recognize gay marriage, then a marriage in another state will not be recognized either.

This wasn't just a gay marriage amendment. It was so much more. The wording said partnerships between a man and a woman are the only ones that will be recognized. That can be far reaching and can apply to business partnerships, too. The only reason it was voted in was because it was being pushed as the gay marriage amendment and that was what those people for voted for it were voting for.

Ignorance at it's best.

Exactly.

taso42

Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.

I know there are many who don't believe or consider God but many of us do so therefore, N.C. voted and the gay rights will not prevail in that state. Feel free to move to any state that will honor a gay marriage.

Ignorance in bold.

Elizabeth_C34

I will just link to Foamy's rant on this particular topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KLMYaF_Xa8&sns=em

*slowly backs away*

13519485

When the storm blows over
Only the strong love remains
If we're ever gonna see a rainbow
We have to stand a little rain
from "Stand A Little Rain" by Nitty Gritty Dirt Band



The storm is far from over, and too many of us in the LGBT community have perished in the flood waters caused by all of the rain. This latest downpour in North Carolina cannot be allowed to bring us down, slow us down, or even to make us take a look behind us as we continue to navigate the flood. This is the time to fight, and we must fight with our voices, our votes, and our money.

The 2012 Democratic National Convention is to be held in September in Charlotte, North Carolina. Many are already calling for the Convention to be taken out of North Carolina because the city of Charlotte and therefore North Carolina as a whole stand to gain more than $150 million from the event. While I can see the logic in stripping the State of that revenue I don't think it is the best option. Instead, since the bigoted politicians and voters of North Carolina have decided to make their State a battle ground, I think it would be fitting if we took the fight to them.

And so in September I will be travelling to Charlotte, NC armed with tons of glitter and enough rainbow gear to choke a leprechaun. I will march up to the Convention and demand that the nominees for President and Vice President take an immediate and vocal stand against the individual States and political groups that seek to strip the LGBT+ community of their right to have the same rights as every cisgender, heterosexual person in the nation.

The goal is to have an administration that is willing to come out and scream across America the truth that we all already know, that legal actions like those in North Carolina are unconstitutional, and that there's a reason why personal liberties and rights are not left to popular vote. Hopefully, by the time all of the glitter settles in Charlotte, we'll have a potential administration ready to just that. Then it will all be up to us to vote and to make sure our friends and family vote.

I'd like it very much if I had some company for trip to Charlotte. Anyone interested? Message me, and we'll start sharing ideas about how to get this accomplished.

Cheers,

Candace Prescott

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/591176-rainbows-glitter-march-on-charlotte-north-carolina

jnh17

Actually, the Constitution states that no State Law can supersede the Federal Law. Since marriage is a civil right, it is covered by the Constitution.

How is it a civil right? Nobody is stopping people from getting married under Biblical standards (or any religion).

angryguy77

If we are supposed to be oped minded, shouldn't we respect the views of the voters in NC? Or does open minded only apply if you agree with one side? Christians can't "force" their beliefs on everyone, but the gay community can force us to accept their lifestyle no matter what. I believe the word to describe that is "hypocritical".

Marriage is an institution designed to raise families, yes I know some people can't, but I'm talking about the main reason for the union. In essence, it's not just about who you love, or what kind of sex you have which is what homosexuality breaks down to.

It recognizes the need for a man and a woman to be involved in the raising of children. Both are important in development of the child. Saying one is not needed(which gay marriage is saying in a way) is a disservice to the unique qualities each sex brings into the family.

Plus it hasn't been proven that people are born that way, to say it's fact is ignorant. Besides, even if it were true, being born a certain way doesn't give a license to do whatever it is you want.

Please stop comparing this to race and the civil rights movement. Doing so lessens the hardships black americans endured for generations. the "plight' of the homosexual is nowhere near what it was for a black person growing up in certain areas of this country before the 1960's.

I realize it's cool to be PC, but it's also cool to think about the issues and form an opinion on your own.

SCR56

Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder, or move to another state for a short time, to be able to be married. Then move back. I don't think they can remove the certificate even if the law bans the marriage it self.

Their marriage would not be valid in North Carolina.

Exactly, even if they were married in another state, they couldn't share benifits or file taxes together.

EpiGaiaRepens

This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach that it passed, but I was wondering what you all thought about it... Feel free to weigh in.

Personally, I don't care... no offence.

I am not for it, but I am not going to condemn someone for what they do in their spare time, nor who they love.

Besides, It isn't like they can cross the boarder, or move to another state for a short time, to be able to be married. Then move back. I don't think they can remove the certificate even if the law bans the marriage it self.

Actually they can. If NC doesn't recognize gay marriage, then a marriage in another state will not be recognized either.

This wasn't just a gay marriage amendment. It was so much more. The wording said partnerships between a man and a woman are the only ones that will be recognized. That can be far reaching and can apply to business partnerships, too. The only reason it was voted in was because it was being pushed as the gay marriage amendment and that was what those people for voted for it were voting for.

Ignorance at it's best.

Um. I'd like to introduce you to a phrase called "Comity"...and I highly doubt that this would affect business partnerships whatsoever. Hetero unions that aren't marriage were affected by the act.

anywyas,
I think its appalling. And it will eventually be found to be unconstitutional just like NC's old ban on interracial marriage.

Jones4177

Really I don't see a problem with the ban, homosexuality is a personal choice, you can't force the acceptance of your lifestyle on anyone else. 1Cor 6:9-10 sums it up pretty well and for those who argue that there is a seperation of religion and state, you can not leave God out of His own arrangement Gen2:24.

Hit it on the nail!!