The Paleo Diet Moves From The Gym To The Doctor's Office

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  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    well, there goes this thread. the all knowing and superior boys are here to tell everyone how they are wrong and stupid.

    Have you ever contributed anything of worth to the discussion? Or just *****ed about those of us who debunk nonsense?


    BTW. We're still waiting for you to back up your assertion that "corn is da debil". I noticed you ran away from that thread when asked to support your claims.

    I never said "corn is da debil". And "discussing" anything with your kind is a waste of time.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/617260-why-is-corn-so-high-in-calories?page=2

    didnt see "corn is da debil"

    I was paraphrasing.

    Exact quotes:
    "In fact, we hate corn"

    "In sum: corn is not a vegetable, and it’s a worthless grain"


    "And if you don't really know corn isn't that good for the human body, then you are doing a lot of posing."

    hey pal...those first two quoates are from Mark of Marks daily apple, not me...are you that desperate? take a break from the hate
  • callmeBAM
    callmeBAM Posts: 445 Member
    There are certain people on MFP who have no lives outside of seeking paleo/primal threads and posting their same drivel over and over just to agitate everyone.

    It's gets old.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    That is funny. We cut our grocery bill by at least 60% when we converted to Paleo.

    Curious as to how you did that, as grains and legumes are some of the cheapest things to buy esp when bought in bulk
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    I don't eat paleo but I don't see how you can say the evolutionary arguments are stupid. The question is, what is the optimal human diet? The answer is what we were eating when our digestive system evolved. That is what our systems were designed for. Our entire bodies were designed for that lifestyle. Our modern diet is so drastically different from that and yet evolutionarily we have not changed. It only makes sense to me to get things more in line with how it was then. I admit the details are a little fuzzy and it differed culture by culture, but some things are known (ie this is pre-agriculture so no one ate poptarts).

    But what stage of the evolution of our digestive systems? The entire point of evolution is that we are constantly evolving with every generation! I mean, heck, our digestive system isn't that different from the digestive system of a worm, but you wouldn't say we should eat dirt.

    Let's say our arbitrary starting point is the development of agriculture 10,000 years ago (which is especially arbitrary in light of the fact that not every place became agricultural at the same time, if they became agricultural at all, but let's assume). Well, humanity was pretty spread over the globe at that point. So whose pre-agricultural diet should we follow? Any pre-agricultural diet? The ones followed by any individual's ancestors? And if everyone follows their ancestors' diets, what should multi-race people do? Or people whose gene pool for historical reasons has lots of additions (blacks in the Caribbean, Jews, etc.)?

    And in what universe does "available" = "optimal"? And even assuming it did (a HUGE assumption), they completely ignore the fact that we continue to evolve. Some scientists believe that evolution was accelerated after the advent of agriculture.

    This book should be required reading for the paleo cultists:

    http://www.amazon.com/The-000-Year-Explosion-Civilization/dp/0465002218
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    well, there goes this thread. the all knowing and superior boys are here to tell everyone how they are wrong and stupid.

    Have you ever contributed anything of worth to the discussion? Or just *****ed about those of us who debunk nonsense?


    BTW. We're still waiting for you to back up your assertion that "corn is da debil". I noticed you ran away from that thread when asked to support your claims.

    I never said "corn is da debil". And "discussing" anything with your kind is a waste of time.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/617260-why-is-corn-so-high-in-calories?page=2

    didnt see "corn is da debil"

    I was paraphrasing.

    Exact quotes:
    "In fact, we hate corn"

    "In sum: corn is not a vegetable, and it’s a worthless grain"


    "And if you don't really know corn isn't that good for the human body, then you are doing a lot of posing."

    hey pal...those first two quoates are from Mark of Marks daily apple, not me...are you that desperate? take a break from the hate

    And who brought them into the discussion?
  • victoria4321
    victoria4321 Posts: 1,719 Member
    I'd go along and say corn isn't good for you either in the way its usually presented to us. If you're eating just straight corn off the cob and your body tolerates it well, then its probably fine as a carb source. The corn that most of us are getting is in its most refined and void of any nutrition form in processed food which people eat more often than they notice. Same with soy products.

    Just to add, I don't follow the Paleo diet either because I'm probably a dairy addict. I'm just interested to hear different view points on the diet. I probably follow more primal, if anything.
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    well, there goes this thread. the all knowing and superior boys are here to tell everyone how they are wrong and stupid.

    Have you ever contributed anything of worth to the discussion? Or just *****ed about those of us who debunk nonsense?


    BTW. We're still waiting for you to back up your assertion that "corn is da debil". I noticed you ran away from that thread when asked to support your claims.

    I never said "corn is da debil". And "discussing" anything with your kind is a waste of time.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/617260-why-is-corn-so-high-in-calories?page=2

    didnt see "corn is da debil"

    I was paraphrasing.

    Exact quotes:
    "In fact, we hate corn"

    "In sum: corn is not a vegetable, and it’s a worthless grain"


    "And if you don't really know corn isn't that good for the human body, then you are doing a lot of posing."

    hey pal...those first two quoates are from Mark of Marks daily apple, not me...are you that desperate? take a break from the hate

    And who brought them into the discussion?

    In your pathetic desperation I am sure you read all my comments in that thread and you read that I said he is dramatic, etc. so don't misquote me.
  • Mindmovesbody
    Mindmovesbody Posts: 399 Member
    Bump for later read...
  • LastSixtySix
    LastSixtySix Posts: 352 Member
    It's nice to see the medical community - doctors in particular - recommending good nutrition but I'm not for them pushing a particular eating regime/diet. They should be pushing rainbow veggies and foods for their patients not a fad or otherwise diet.

    -Debra
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member

    In your pathetic desperation I am sure you read all my comments in that thread and you read that I said he is dramatic, etc. so don't misquote me.

    Still avoiding.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    That is funny. We cut our grocery bill by at least 60% when we converted to Paleo.

    Curious as to how you did that, as grains and legumes are some of the cheapest things to buy esp when bought in bulk

    Well I no longer shop in the grocery stores now. Farmers markets, CSA membership and Coop for produce, eggs and raw dairy. And I am growing some of my own veggies.

    Local farmer for meats. (averages $2.00 / lb and we get steaks, roasts which gets ground up for burger, free range chicken and different cuts of heritage certified pork).

    For the record, I wasn't eating grains and legumes prior to Paleo as I was on Atkins then, but purchasing food from regular grocery stores then.
  • sarahsmom1
    sarahsmom1 Posts: 1,501 Member
    Corn started out like wheat then it was domesticated in Mexico and the kernels became bigger and bigger and then became one of the 3 sisters that the Mayans and further Native Americans used as a staple. The 3 sisters were beans, squash, and corn what one plant took from the soil the others replenish the soil. Also Neanderthals were hunter and gathers, they killed large slow moving prey because their tools could only go short distances they also migrated with the herds. Then came the Euro Sapiens which were still hunters and gathers but their tools were better made and they could kill their prey from a distance and didn't have to run and chase the prey. Since they were better in everything, the Neanderthals died out due to lack of food. And you could only eat was what was native in your area. Your not gonna find berries all year in the Arctic, In Mongolia the altitude is high so only certain foods are available, Africa hot and only certain foods and animals can survive. So where are these people getting the diets that they are telling you to use. Are they scientist who have found fossilized poop and have tested it How do the know what they ate half of the plants and animals are extinct that lived when they were hunting.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    That is funny. We cut our grocery bill by at least 60% when we converted to Paleo.

    Curious as to how you did that, as grains and legumes are some of the cheapest things to buy esp when bought in bulk

    Well I no longer shop in the grocery stores now. Farmers markets, CSA membership and Coop for produce, eggs and raw dairy. And I am growing some of my own veggies.

    Local farmer for meats. (averages $2.00 / lb and we get steaks, roasts which gets ground up for burger, free range chicken and different cuts of heritage certified pork).

    For the record, I wasn't eating grains and legumes prior to Paleo as I was on Atkins then, but purchasing food from regular grocery stores then.

    Hoe does one find these farmers that sell meat that cheap? Grass fed or not, don't think I've seen beef that cheap, seen chicken for $1.99/lb
  • Umeboshi
    Umeboshi Posts: 1,637 Member
    Doctors prescribe HCG, so I'm not going to be sold on anything just because a doctor prescribes it. However, Paleo sounds actually healthy as opposed to the HCG starvation diets. Paleo isn't for me, but interesting article anyway. :D
  • melbaby925
    melbaby925 Posts: 613
    Doctors prescribe HCG, so I'm not going to be sold on anything just because a doctor prescribes it. However, Paleo sounds actually healthy as opposed to the HCG starvation diets. Paleo isn't for me, but interesting article anyway. :D

    Holy cow, you just brought HCG up into the conversation...are you nuts!?

    And I agree - some doctors will endorse anything that will bring in more $$$, regardless of how dangerous or worthless it is.
  • bm99
    bm99 Posts: 597 Member
    Doctors prescribe HCG, so I'm not going to be sold on anything just because a doctor prescribes it. However, Paleo sounds actually healthy as opposed to the HCG starvation diets. Paleo isn't for me, but interesting article anyway. :D

    Eating enough calories worth of bugs would be healthier than the HCG diet.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    That is funny. We cut our grocery bill by at least 60% when we converted to Paleo.

    Curious as to how you did that, as grains and legumes are some of the cheapest things to buy esp when bought in bulk

    Well I no longer shop in the grocery stores now. Farmers markets, CSA membership and Coop for produce, eggs and raw dairy. And I am growing some of my own veggies.

    Local farmer for meats. (averages $2.00 / lb and we get steaks, roasts which gets ground up for burger, free range chicken and different cuts of heritage certified pork).

    For the record, I wasn't eating grains and legumes prior to Paleo as I was on Atkins then, but purchasing food from regular grocery stores then.

    Hoe does one find these farmers that sell meat that cheap? Grass fed or not, don't think I've seen beef that cheap, seen chicken for $1.99/lb

    Guess it depends on where you live. I am surrounded by Grass fed farmers in the Midwest. Since buying from several different farmers, the most i have paid per pound is $2.70
  • Chood5
    Chood5 Posts: 259 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    So what do you eat that is cheaper? Quick and easy pre-packaged food? Eating paleo/primal is more than just weight loss. It is for overall health.
  • victoria4321
    victoria4321 Posts: 1,719 Member
    Doctors prescribe HCG, so I'm not going to be sold on anything just because a doctor prescribes it. However, Paleo sounds actually healthy as opposed to the HCG starvation diets. Paleo isn't for me, but interesting article anyway. :D

    Holy cow, you just brought HCG up into the conversation...are you nuts!?

    And I agree - some doctors will endorse anything that will bring in more $$$, regardless of how dangerous or worthless it is.

    Dr's would make less money off of Paleo if anything. It's not like they run a grocery store after hours.
  • victoria4321
    victoria4321 Posts: 1,719 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    So what do you eat that is cheaper? Quick and easy pre-packaged food? Eating paleo/primal is more than just weight loss. It is for overall health.

    If a person simply can't afford or have access to good food what other option would they have? To just starve?
  • elcieloesazul
    elcieloesazul Posts: 448 Member
    ...Just a few facts...

    For the vast majority of the Paleolithic era, humans couldn't create or manipulate fire; on top of that, they lacked the sophistication of tools in order to fish.
    So, being true to the "time" would require consumption of only raw meats and no fish.

    Also, part of their lack of modern diseases such as Type 2 Diabetes and heart diseases result not from a limited diet of meat, fruit, and veggies, but from a diet of LEAN meats and hours of daily strenuous exercise, on top of a shorter lifespan (making diseases less likely to engender themselves).

    Legumes were also around (I read somewhere that that is restricted in the Paleo community), as well as wide-spread cannibalism.
  • bm99
    bm99 Posts: 597 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    So what do you eat that is cheaper? Quick and easy pre-packaged food? Eating paleo/primal is more than just weight loss. It is for health.

    65% of your calories are supposed to come from meat (according to a paleo site), that is a LOT of meat to buy for a family!

    A diet that limits meat but is high in nuts and beans is cheaper and not "quick and easy pre packaged foods". Meat in itself doesn't offer anything nutrition wise that you can't get elsewhere, and probably cheaper.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    That is funny. We cut our grocery bill by at least 60% when we converted to Paleo.

    Curious as to how you did that, as grains and legumes are some of the cheapest things to buy esp when bought in bulk

    Well I no longer shop in the grocery stores now. Farmers markets, CSA membership and Coop for produce, eggs and raw dairy. And I am growing some of my own veggies.

    Local farmer for meats. (averages $2.00 / lb and we get steaks, roasts which gets ground up for burger, free range chicken and different cuts of heritage certified pork).

    For the record, I wasn't eating grains and legumes prior to Paleo as I was on Atkins then, but purchasing food from regular grocery stores then.

    Hoe does one find these farmers that sell meat that cheap? Grass fed or not, don't think I've seen beef that cheap, seen chicken for $1.99/lb

    Check out http://www.eatwild.com/products/newjersey.html
  • TheFunBun
    TheFunBun Posts: 793 Member
    My creepy doctor recommended a raw, mostly vegetable based diet based on Noah vs Noah's son's age upon death. Also, the size of our digestive system.. and something else. I forget.

    You can make good spin for most eating plans. I like to use the "bread is eternal" argument, personally. Mostly 'cause I like baking it, and who's going to eat it if not me?

    Personally, a life without lentils seems like a life of constipation, no matter how much fat and raw vegetable I'm eating.
  • melbaby925
    melbaby925 Posts: 613
    Doctors prescribe HCG, so I'm not going to be sold on anything just because a doctor prescribes it. However, Paleo sounds actually healthy as opposed to the HCG starvation diets. Paleo isn't for me, but interesting article anyway. :D

    Holy cow, you just brought HCG up into the conversation...are you nuts!?

    And I agree - some doctors will endorse anything that will bring in more $$$, regardless of how dangerous or worthless it is.

    Dr's would make less money off of Paleo if anything. It's not like they run a grocery store after hours.

    HA! Good point - I was thinking of HCG and prescriptions in general. But you're right - people would actually get healthy and not be feeding pharma with the paleo/primal method.
  • Umeboshi
    Umeboshi Posts: 1,637 Member
    Doctors prescribe HCG, so I'm not going to be sold on anything just because a doctor prescribes it. However, Paleo sounds actually healthy as opposed to the HCG starvation diets. Paleo isn't for me, but interesting article anyway. :D

    Holy cow, you just brought HCG up into the conversation...are you nuts!?

    And I agree - some doctors will endorse anything that will bring in more $$$, regardless of how dangerous or worthless it is.

    Dr's would make less money off of Paleo if anything. It's not like they run a grocery store after hours.

    Another reason I have more respect for this Paleo thing being prescribed by doctors. Unless they're actually selling books or something in the doctor's office, they're not doing it for pure profit.
  • TheFunBun
    TheFunBun Posts: 793 Member

    Hoe does one find these farmers that sell meat that cheap? Grass fed or not, don't think I've seen beef that cheap, seen chicken for $1.99/lb

    localharvest.org - usually you can find farms that specialize in grass fed deliciousness. :)
  • bm99
    bm99 Posts: 597 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    So what do you eat that is cheaper? Quick and easy pre-packaged food? Eating paleo/primal is more than just weight loss. It is for health.

    65% of your calories are supposed to come from meat (according to a paleo site), that is a LOT of meat to buy for a family!

    A diet that limits meat but is high in nuts and beans is cheaper and not "quick and easy pre packaged foods". Meat in itself doesn't offer anything nutrition wise that you can't get elsewhere, and probably cheaper.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    That is funny. We cut our grocery bill by at least 60% when we converted to Paleo.

    Curious as to how you did that, as grains and legumes are some of the cheapest things to buy esp when bought in bulk

    Well I no longer shop in the grocery stores now. Farmers markets, CSA membership and Coop for produce, eggs and raw dairy. And I am growing some of my own veggies.

    Local farmer for meats. (averages $2.00 / lb and we get steaks, roasts which gets ground up for burger, free range chicken and different cuts of heritage certified pork).

    For the record, I wasn't eating grains and legumes prior to Paleo as I was on Atkins then, but purchasing food from regular grocery stores then.

    Hoe does one find these farmers that sell meat that cheap? Grass fed or not, don't think I've seen beef that cheap, seen chicken for $1.99/lb

    Check out http://www.eatwild.com/products/newjersey.html

    thx will check out

    Yikes the one closest to me has higher prices then the local whole foods
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    I was going to try to go with the paleo diet but I found that I simply could not afford it. Meat is expensive and I have a family to feed. So I eat as healthy as I can afford to and limit my portion sizes.

    So what do you eat that is cheaper? Quick and easy pre-packaged food? Eating paleo/primal is more than just weight loss. It is for health.

    65% of your calories are supposed to come from meat (according to a paleo site), that is a LOT of meat to buy for a family!

    A diet that limits meat but is high in nuts and beans is cheaper and not "quick and easy pre packaged foods". Meat in itself doesn't offer anything nutrition wise that you can't get elsewhere, and probably cheaper.

    Incorrect, it is HIGH FAT, MODERATE protein, low or moderate carbs (depending on activity levels)