just doing cardio

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  • nick1109
    nick1109 Posts: 174 Member
    Through my own personal weight loss experiences I found that doing cardio only resulted in a smaller version of my lumpy self. I didn't actually change my shape until I added weights <
    not an expert in fitness, but I've lost a small person in my lifetime! (once weighed over 250lbs)


    Agree
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,990 Member
    Fat loss comes from calorie deficit. Be consistent and the fat will come off.

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    you seem best to answer a question that's been plaguing me...should I net 1200 everyday to lose weight regardless of workouts? I know they say to eat exercise cals back but I'm not really noticing weightless but I have lost inches. any advice is great!
    Can't really tell you if I don't know stats. PM me.

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  • kaotik26
    kaotik26 Posts: 590 Member
    I always considered walking as "exercise and fresh air time"! Cardio-as in cardiovascular- means to me working your heart just as much as your muscles. But then you can walk fast and hard enough to ramp up your heart rate so yes walking like that is "Cardio". A little stroll through the mall window shopping is not cardio.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    In all reality, does anyone know a person that is cut/fit by just walking? Walking won't cut it. Stength training is where you will cut fat. If you only have 30 minutes, you can always do a program like "10 minute trainer".

    I know a lot of people that are fit and have a healthy BF% just from walking. "Cut" is not necessary to be fit.
  • mcrowe1016
    mcrowe1016 Posts: 647 Member
    I always considered walking as "exercise and fresh air time"! Cardio-as in cardiovascular- means to me working your heart just as much as your muscles. But then you can walk fast and hard enough to ramp up your heart rate so yes walking like that is "Cardio". A little stroll through the mall window shopping is not cardio.

    This pretty much sums up how I see it as well.

    (Sorry OP....futher derailing your post :ohwell: )
  • jcmartin0313
    jcmartin0313 Posts: 574 Member
    Fat loss comes from calorie deficit. Be consistent and the fat will come off.

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    Why is there any argument? This advice is the best and most sound!
  • Glucocorticoid
    Glucocorticoid Posts: 867 Member
    so why isn't it considered strength when they are the same moves?
    P90X is a strength training program,
    No it's not.

    We will have to agree to disagree. Because any program designed to gain mass, which many people have, i would consider ST. Either way its not relevant to the arguement.
    It's not designed to gain mass. More of the opposite actually, in the long run (although that will depend). And gaining strength and gaining mass are not exactly the same thing anyway.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    so why isn't it considered strength when they are the same moves?
    P90X is a strength training program,
    No it's not.

    We will have to agree to disagree. Because any program designed to gain mass, which many people have, i would consider ST. Either way its not relevant to the arguement.
    It's not designed to gain mass. More of the opposite actually, in the long run (although that will depend). And gaining strength and gaining mass are not exactly the same thing anyway.

    Oh I agree, it is definitely more conducive towards fat loss than muscle growth and that is what I use it for. And I know BB is working on a program that is dedicated to increasing lean body mass.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    In all reality, does anyone know a person that is cut/fit by just walking? Walking won't cut it. Stength training is where you will cut fat. If you only have 30 minutes, you can always do a program like "10 minute trainer".

    I know a lot of people that are fit and have a healthy BF% just from walking. "Cut" is not necessary to be fit.

    Let me clarify, I don't know any guy that is 6-10% body fat from just walking or a woman that is around 14-18%.
  • Glucocorticoid
    Glucocorticoid Posts: 867 Member
    so why isn't it considered strength when they are the same moves?
    P90X is a strength training program,
    No it's not.

    We will have to agree to disagree. Because any program designed to gain mass, which many people have, i would consider ST. Either way its not relevant to the arguement.
    It's not designed to gain mass. More of the opposite actually, in the long run (although that will depend). And gaining strength and gaining mass are not exactly the same thing anyway.

    Oh I agree, it is definitely more conducive towards fat loss than muscle growth and that is what I use it for. And I know BB is working on a program that is dedicated to increasing lean body mass.
    By the opposite I meant it's conducive toward muscle loss as well :P. But yeah, fat loss too, assuming you are in a deficit.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    so why isn't it considered strength when they are the same moves?
    P90X is a strength training program,
    No it's not.

    We will have to agree to disagree. Because any program designed to gain mass, which many people have, i would consider ST. Either way its not relevant to the arguement.
    It's not designed to gain mass. More of the opposite actually, in the long run (although that will depend). And gaining strength and gaining mass are not exactly the same thing anyway.

    Oh I agree, it is definitely more conducive towards fat loss than muscle growth and that is what I use it for. And I know BB is working on a program that is dedicated to increasing lean body mass.
    By the opposite I meant it's conducive toward muscle loss as well :P. But yeah, fat loss too, assuming you are in a deficit.

    I would agree that it's conducive to muscle loss if you aren't eating enough calories (really that goes to say for any program that exerts a lot of calories and you don't eat enough). I have tracked my lean body mass throughout (eating 2600-3000 calories) and have zero LBM loss but 6% body fat loss.
  • Glucocorticoid
    Glucocorticoid Posts: 867 Member
    so why isn't it considered strength when they are the same moves?
    P90X is a strength training program,
    No it's not.

    We will have to agree to disagree. Because any program designed to gain mass, which many people have, i would consider ST. Either way its not relevant to the arguement.
    It's not designed to gain mass. More of the opposite actually, in the long run (although that will depend). And gaining strength and gaining mass are not exactly the same thing anyway.

    Oh I agree, it is definitely more conducive towards fat loss than muscle growth and that is what I use it for. And I know BB is working on a program that is dedicated to increasing lean body mass.
    By the opposite I meant it's conducive toward muscle loss as well :P. But yeah, fat loss too, assuming you are in a deficit.

    I would agree that it's conducive to muscle loss if you aren't eating enough calories (really that goes to say for any program that exerts a lot of calories and you don't eat enough). I have tracked my lean body mass throughout (eating 2600-3000 calories) and have zero LBM loss but 6% body fat loss.

    Generally speaking, an extreme deficit usually has a higher possibility of muscle loss versus a more conservative deficit, yeah. And your experience does not equal everyone else's. There's plenty of people that combine it with very low deficits, and low levels of protein and/or carbs on top of that (I've seen this). Their accompanied nutrition plan isn't very specific.

    In a lot of ways it's just circuit training, which is not optimal (by itself) - it's a mediocre way to build both strength and endurance simultaneously without doing either very well. The main flaw is that it lacks the high tension muscle stimulus required to optimally preserve LBM in a deficit. I'm not saying every person that does it will definitely lose signifcant amounts of LBM (it's going to depend on a lot of factors), but it's certainly not the best program for muscle retention on a diet.

    Not to mention that the whole program is built upon a bunch of nonsense (muscle confusion). There's a lot of silly aspects to it, but I will agree that it's better than most do-it-at-home programs, and it's certainly a good way for the average person to be forced to get off their butt and be active.

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