Carnivores – why?

VegesaurusRex

You have constantly implied superiority and your husband has outright stated it rather aggressively. I have no problem with vegetarians but I do not agree that it is the only way to go, nor do I believe that it is the best way to go. Have a good evening.

Why is it that you don't seem to have heard everything else I said, but merely that I feel superior because I am a vegetarian. I was just being honest. Why does that bother you?

How about the hard arguments about meat being implicated in chronic diseases? I notice you have not mentioned that.

tmauck4472

Please explain why and how you don't eat meat? Nothing better than a steak when it's moo'ing at you. Taste waaaaay better than a piece of broccoli and I love broccoli.

hiker282

I am an equal opportunity eater. I don't judge my food based upon whether it once ate something else before I ate it. It is unfortunate that others simply find yet another reason to be offended by the way I choose to sustain my existence; but *I* don't ask *you* to justify the way you eat. That's the difference.

Laces_0ut

even plants eat meat.

Sidesteal

How about the hard arguments about meat being implicated in chronic diseases? I notice you have not mentioned that.

Can you provide any peer reviewed research that isn't an epidemiological study that tries to make a causative link? If so, I would read it.

scythswife

I've been saving this for just such a thread. :happy:

too cute

VegesaurusRex

Are you going to keep avoiding the prehistoric humans question?

I would not avoid it if I heard it clearly articulated. Are you talking about austrolopithicenes? Homo erectus? Paleolithic humans? If you care to articulate the arguement I will respond.

MsNewBooty83

i was raised on it and it tastes good. the dead animal part doesnt bother me.

d0gma

However, I just don't get it. There has never been a good argument presented to me why someone would want to eat a dead animal. I figure because whenever I ask “why”, the silly carnivores almost always get offended.

Because it's harder to eat them when they're still alive.

VegesaurusRex

How about the hard arguments about meat being implicated in chronic diseases? I notice you have not mentioned that.

Can you provide any peer reviewed research that isn't an epidemiological study that tries to make a causative link? If so, I would read it.

Oh, God! Please tell me you are not about to launch into the "correlation does not equal causation" argument. That is the cornerstone of everyone who got a C in statistics. Please tell me that is NOT what you are implying.

shelbynicole32

Please explain why and how you don't eat meat? Nothing better than a steak when it's moo'ing at you. Taste waaaaay better than a piece of broccoli and I love broccoli.

That actually sounds delicious! I was just thinking about what to eat for dinner and now I think I am going to go to Loans Steakhouse and have me a 6oz sirloin with steamed broccoli for dinner... mmmhhmmmmm. :drinker:

doorki

You have constantly implied superiority and your husband has outright stated it rather aggressively. I have no problem with vegetarians but I do not agree that it is the only way to go, nor do I believe that it is the best way to go. Have a good evening.

Why is it that you don't seem to have heard everything else I said, but merely that I feel superior because I am a vegetarian. I was just being honest. Why does that bother you?

How about the hard arguments about meat being implicated in chronic diseases? I notice you have not mentioned that.

I have replied to all of your assertions. I do not have any current data sitting on my desk about chronic diseases so I cannot speak about that at the moment. But, do you think that it was because prehistoric man ate meat that we now have this sudden spike in chronic diseases or do you think that it may be a lack of moderation in our omnivore diet?

amivox

Why did prehistoric humans hunt large game? Oh, idk, because they were stupid...

same reasons they believed earth was the center of the universe...

I mean, I have this apple in this tree, I could eat this, or I could take unnecessary risks to kill this big *kitten* bison so I can assert myself as the alpha male and bring in the most kills and food so I can feed my small **** syndrome.

I mean, really, if its gonna be ridiculous up in this forum, lets get ridiculous.

If you don't eat humans, I think thats pretty ethnocentric of you.Where do you draw the line going up the food chain. Who are we to say its wrong to eat humans? In some cultures its normal.

Justkeepswimmin

However, I just don't get it. There has never been a good argument presented to me why someone would want to eat a dead animal.

Well, they dont like it when we eat them when they are alive. They move to much.:smokin:

Hehe my hubby laughs so much at me for this reason. One of the things that freaks me out about meat is that it is DEAD FLESH so he says "i'll serve it alive if you want" haha.

Sidesteal

Oh, God! Please tell me you are not about to launch into the "correlation does not equal causation" argument. That is the cornerstone of everyone who got a C in statistics. Please tell me that is NOT what you are implying.

I take that as a no.

k8blujay2

The multi-multi-quotes make this thread so hard to read.

I just skip the multi-quotes... it's really like beating a dead horse.... wait, is that not allowed? Or since it's dead already can I eat it?

wonderwomanwannaB

I'm more of a pescatarian than carnivore, but every once in a while I include meat purposefully for:

Better access to B12, iron, and whole protein w/o the extra carbs.

bethfartman

Even cows would think this discussion is stupid.

doorki

Are you going to keep avoiding the prehistoric humans question?

I would not avoid it if I heard it clearly articulated. Are you talking about austrolopithicenes? Homo erectus? Paleolithic humans? If you care to articulate the arguement I will respond.

LOL.....who were the dudes killing the mammoths? Lets got with Homo Erectus because many believe that earlier than that scavenging meat was more common than hunting. (but they still ate meat)

k8blujay2

even plants eat meat.

You know I was just thinking about the venus fly trap... while skipping over the multi-quoted comments about plants and their knack to defend themselves.

VegesaurusRex

Oh, God! Please tell me you are not about to launch into the "correlation does not equal causation" argument. That is the cornerstone of everyone who got a C in statistics. Please tell me that is NOT what you are implying.

I take that as a no.

The sad point is that I am not really prepared to lecture on statistics beyond Stat 101. Suffice it to say that ALL studies on diet are correlational, and even in vitro studies are dependent on unknown factors. Epidemiological studies, prospective longitudinal studies, and controlled longitudinal studies all have their strong points and weak points and all are valuable. Epidemiological studies are extemely instuctive especially when you hundreds and even thousands all saying the same thing.

SF2514

Why did prehistoric humans hunt large game? Oh, idk, because they were stupid...

same reasons they believed earth was the center of the universe...

I mean, I have this apple in this tree, I could eat this, or I could take unnecessary risks to kill this big *kitten* bison so I can assert myself as the alpha male and bring in the most kills and food so I can feed my small **** syndrome.

I mean, really, if its gonna be ridiculous up in this forum, lets get ridiculous.

If you don't eat humans, I think thats pretty ethnocentric of you.Where do you draw the line going up the food chain. Who are we to say its wrong to eat humans? In some cultures its normal.

Kuru.... haha. I might try human if it were offered to me and it was a willing donor (have to add in, it would have to be from someone tested and found to be completely disease and drug free ). Humans have many more diseases to pass to eachother than say a cow or a chicken. Yes we can still get sick from eating them, but I'd think the risk would rise 10 fold with human meat .

p.s. I'd also like to point out that maybe we took the risk because our body needed some nutrients that weren't provided by local plant life . Like that deer that knocks the heads off of birds to eat their brain because they lack a certain vitamin in the vegitation .

doorki

Oh, God! Please tell me you are not about to launch into the "correlation does not equal causation" argument. That is the cornerstone of everyone who got a C in statistics. Please tell me that is NOT what you are implying.

I take that as a no.

The sad point is that I am not really prepared to lecture on statistics beyond Stat 101. Suffice it to say that ALL studies on diet are correlational, and even in vitro studies are dependent on unknown factors. Epidemiological studies, prospective longitudinal studies, and controlled longitudinal studies all have their strong points and weak points and all are valuable. Epidemiological studies are extemely instuctive especially when you hundreds and even thousands all saying the same thing.

As my father always said, if you can't win with knowledge, dazzle with BS.

brittanymarie120

I tried to give up eating meat before... but then i made breakfast.

VegesaurusRex

Are you going to keep avoiding the prehistoric humans question?

I would not avoid it if I heard it clearly articulated. Are you talking about austrolopithicenes? Homo erectus? Paleolithic humans? If you care to articulate the arguement I will respond.

LOL.....who were the dudes killing the mammoths? Lets got with Homo Erectus because many believe that earlier than that scavenging meat was more common than hunting. (but they still ate meat)

H. erectus differed from H habilis and A. boisei (although all may have been contemporary) and did develop hunting as an additional means of adoptation, at least referring to the 200,000 year period at Olduvai. Of course we can only talk about what we have found. The Olduvai tools were recent and were not just for hunting, but also for digging tubers, etc. H erectus back teeth are smaller than austrolopothicenes, an argument that meat eating was developing. But I think you said the key word "scavenging". I think that was the main source of meat, along with slugs, worms insects, etc. If this is a diet you admire, I suggest you go dig up some worms and have a blast. Nonetheless, bear in mind that the average brain size of H. erectus was about 1,000 cc, considerably smaller than modern man. You may want to move it up to anatomically modern humans. If you are willing to go back 2 million years, as you would be for H. erectus, you are also including contemporaries such as A boisei and H habilis. Certainly H habilis and H erectus could interbreed. Interbreeding between H erectus and A boisei? You would clearly think not. But who knows. The Neanderthals present a similar question.

VegesaurusRex

You have constantly implied superiority and your husband has outright stated it rather aggressively. I have no problem with vegetarians but I do not agree that it is the only way to go, nor do I believe that it is the best way to go. Have a good evening.

Why is it that you don't seem to have heard everything else I said, but merely that I feel superior because I am a vegetarian. I was just being honest. Why does that bother you?

How about the hard arguments about meat being implicated in chronic diseases? I notice you have not mentioned that.

I have replied to all of your assertions. I do not have any current data sitting on my desk about chronic diseases so I cannot speak about that at the moment. But, do you think that it was because prehistoric man ate meat that we now have this sudden spike in chronic diseases or do you think that it may be a lack of moderation in our omnivore diet?

The correlation between meat eating and chronic diseases is the HEART of the argument, both as to why humans are vegetarian, and why meat eating is bad. If you don't have some studies sitting on your desk at the moment, you better find soime before you continue this discussion. And as I said, please find me ONE study that implicates eating vegetables in chronic diseases.

Laces_0ut

for arguments sake lets assume eating meat IS bad for you. why not just eat it as a treat from time to time like a cupcake?

VegesaurusRex

for arguments sake lets assume eating meat IS bad for you. why not just eat it as a treat from time to time like a cupcake?

Indeed, if people ate 70g of meat per week or less, chronic diabetes, obesity, heart disease, colon cancer, and so many other diseases would probably disappear. You are right. I wouldn't do that for ethical reasons, but I am not arguing ethics here, only practicality.

ShrinkUnstoppable

Bahahaha!

Sidesteal

for arguments sake lets assume eating meat IS bad for you. why not just eat it as a treat from time to time like a cupcake?

Indeed, if people ate 70g of meat per week or less, chronic diabetes, obesity, heart disease, colon cancer, and so many other diseases would probably disappear. You are right. I wouldn't do that for ethical reasons, but I am not arguing ethics here, only practicality.

Can you share where you are getting the above dosage from?