Planet Fitness: Judge-Free zone?
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We belong to Gold's Express, and I like it so far...We had previously belonged to the park district gym, but when all you are using is the free weights and a treadmill, why pay the membership for tennis and basketball courts. I don't care for the "lunk" alarm concept, but I also think the guys that throw down their weights after their reps come off looking a little ridonkulous (how the heck do you spell this??) as well.0
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Everyone that belongs to PF, please deactivate your account on here. All the so called experts on here say it's not a real gym, so why should we be on a fitness site. Hahaha! Unreal!0
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The whole business is a contradiction. All marketing that successfully draws in insecure, judgmental, hypocritical beginners. And most of those beginners, stay beginners. The entire establishment promotes and encourages mediocrity, by design.
that's kind of how I feel about it- I just hate the fact the corporate peoples run it feel that way- but I also feel like its' a great second gym (that whole 24 hrs thing) and also - if the people ARE going-and doing something- good for them.
The gym sucks- doesn't mean all the people by default do as well.0 -
Everyone that belongs to PF, please deactivate your account on here. All the so called experts on here say it's not a real gym, so why should we be on a fitness site. Hahaha! Unreal!
Uh sorry, with those guns, I don't even believe you work out at PF. I mean, eat pizza and bagels at PF.0 -
I've noticed alot of the anti-PF folks on here look like pro bodybuilders so it makes me wonder if they even go to them.0
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Everyone that belongs to PF, please deactivate your account on here. All the so called experts on here say it's not a real gym, so why should we be on a fitness site. Hahaha! Unreal!
Uh sorry, with those guns, I don't even believe you work out at PF. I mean, eat pizza and bagels at PF.
lol, thanks for the kind words. I always seem to miss the bagels and pizza. I'll have to change my work out times. I will confess though, I do take a few Tootsie Rolls on the way out.0 -
Everyone that belongs to PF, please deactivate your account on here. All the so called experts on here say it's not a real gym, so why should we be on a fitness site. Hahaha! Unreal!
Uh sorry, with those guns, I don't even believe you work out at PF. I mean, eat pizza and bagels at PF.
lol, thanks for the kind words. I always seem to miss the bagels and pizza. I'll have to change my work out times. I will confess though, I do take a few Tootsie Rolls on the way out.
The only time I ate a Tootsie Roll was the day of the tour, for some reason I just don't think about it. I've missed all the pizza and bagel days, too. I was just curious to see if there's a mad rush, or if everyone plays it cool.0 -
I've noticed alot of the anti-PF folks on here look like pro bodybuilders so it makes me wonder if they even go to them.
They get kicked out, and on top of that PF doesn't have the equipment needed for a proper workout there.0 -
I've noticed alot of the anti-PF folks on here look like pro bodybuilders so it makes me wonder if they even go to them.
They get kicked out, and on top of that PF doesn't have the equipment needed for a proper workout there.
I have never seen anyone kicked out of mine. There are some roid heads in there that never get bothered by the staff. Even one of the trainers looks like a pro and he's huge. Not sure where your PF is, but maybe it varies from state to state.0 -
I've noticed alot of the anti-PF folks on here look like pro bodybuilders so it makes me wonder if they even go to them.
They get kicked out, and on top of that PF doesn't have the equipment needed for a proper workout there.
Maybe the PF that YOU went to doesn't have the proper equipment.
You realize that they are franchise, and not all the same?
Also, I would say all gyms count on people paying for their membership and never showing up....Not just PF0 -
So...
This:
Is worse than this?
Got it.0 -
Maybe the PF that YOU went to doesn't have the proper equipment.
You realize that they are franchise, and not all the same?
Also, I would say all gyms count on people paying for their membership and never showing up....Not just PF
Agreed that most gyms count on people not showing up. I think some training gyms are definitely not like that though. There's the money difference in membership prices. They are counting on getting $150/month, and at that price, people are going to show.
And yes, franchises aren't all the same, but they do need to adhere to the same basic principles or they forgo their rights.
By proper equipment, dumbbells over 100lbs. A squat rack. A bench press. Hell, any free weights at all. I've been to several. The closest one to me has a huge cardio deck and a small circuit. And pizza. No professional trainers (sorry, I don't consider the certificate downloaded from a one day online class to be a professional).
Better than no gym? Sure.
And one more thing. This may apply more to me, rather than to others, but it was an important aspect in getting fit. I want to see the hard bodies in fantastic shape working out. I want to see what I can aspire to if I try hard enough. Someone strolling at 1.5 mph on a treadmill isn't going to motivate me. And I want all the motivation I can get!0 -
And one more thing. This may apply more to me, rather than to others, but it was an important aspect in getting fit. I want to see the hard bodies in fantastic shape working out. I want to see what I can aspire to if I try hard enough. Someone strolling at 1.5 mph on a treadmill isn't going to motivate me. And I want all the motivation I can get!
I read this as "fat people who are trying to lose weight and better themselves don't motivate me" I'm judging you.
Got it.
I'm not sure why if you hate PF so much, you have been to "several"0 -
And one more thing. This may apply more to me, rather than to others, but it was an important aspect in getting fit. I want to see the hard bodies in fantastic shape working out. I want to see what I can aspire to if I try hard enough. Someone strolling at 1.5 mph on a treadmill isn't going to motivate me. And I want all the motivation I can get!
I read this as "fat people who are trying to lose weight and better themselves don't motivate me" I'm judging you.
Got it.
I'm not sure why if you hate PF so much, you have been to "several"
I've been fat. VERY fat. So don't to make it sound like I'm fat-shaming. What do you think fit-spiration it? Photos and sayings of people with fantastic bodies who are working to their very max. That's what I want to be. I'm motivated by the people who have reached their goals through years of dedication. Sorry if that makes me a bad person in your eyes. I know where I want my body to be, and I have a LONG way to get there. I want the tips and tricks and motivation from the people who are there. Anything else would be akin to taking college classes taught by middle schoolers, IMO.
And yes, I've been to several. I do have friends that are members. People sometimes work out with their friends.0 -
Why do I judge those that go there? I've been a few times to the ones in my area. (Field trip of sorts) And I guess if you're totally new to fitness, it's a foot in the door. But the ones around here have people working that do not care, nor know a thing about fitness. They are dangerous, when instructing people incorrectly how to use a machine. They don't carry heavy weights. They are getting rid of squat racks.
When I see people in a PF, I think they are not serious about fitness. When you're going to a gym that has pizza night, candy on the front desk, bagels for snacks, there's a fundamental disconnect in getting and staying healthy.
I'd love to see some real stats about PF members. For example:
1. How many who join are still regularly attending one year later
2. How many who join have reached any fitness goals
3. How many who join can do any weights, vs. cardio
4. How many who join are training for anything specific
And compare those stats to other gyms that aren't in the same category.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Of course some who go to PF will be successful. But frankly, PF does not want you to succeed. They want you to stay fat, but pay just enough that you don't care about spending that money each month, so you don't cancel your membership.
you get of things what you put in...regardless of where you are. I hate their commercials and their business model, but it was affordable for me and there are PLENTY of free weights at mine and a squat rack...and i deadlift.
I am VERY serious about my fitness.
I am attending more than one year later
I have reached MANY goals
I rarely do cardio
I am training to be in a powerlifting meet.
I have gone from being extremely weak from 3 herniated discs to being strong and capable.
I bench over a 100 pounds now and can deadlift almost 200... where i started with the 45 on bench and 65 on deadlift.
Your conclusions are so messed up based on your opinion. WHO CARES what food they have there?
NEWSFLASH...if i just smashed the crap of the weights for over an hour i think i can afford to eat whatever snacks they have... i dont because i dont like to eat right away when i lift BUT the fact that it is there should have NO BEARING on your opinion of me going there.
I want a better gym, but i sure kick butt at PF while I am there because I DECIDE to... and so do many people I see at mine.0 -
And one more thing. This may apply more to me, rather than to others, but it was an important aspect in getting fit. I want to see the hard bodies in fantastic shape working out. I want to see what I can aspire to if I try hard enough. Someone strolling at 1.5 mph on a treadmill isn't going to motivate me. And I want all the motivation I can get!
I read this as "fat people who are trying to lose weight and better themselves don't motivate me" I'm judging you.
Got it.
I'm not sure why if you hate PF so much, you have been to "several"
I've been fat. VERY fat. So don't to make it sound like I'm fat-shaming. What do you think fit-spiration it? Photos and sayings of people with fantastic bodies who are working to their very max. That's what I want to be. I'm motivated by the people who have reached their goals through years of dedication. Sorry if that makes me a bad person in your eyes. I know where I want my body to be, and I have a LONG way to get there. I want the tips and tricks and motivation from the people who are there. Anything else would be akin to taking college classes taught by middle schoolers, IMO.
And yes, I've been to several. I do have friends that are members. People sometimes work out with their friends.
I'm shocked you're friends with people to go to PF, I can't believe you would associate with such people..0 -
Why do I judge those that go there? I've been a few times to the ones in my area. (Field trip of sorts) And I guess if you're totally new to fitness, it's a foot in the door. But the ones around here have people working that do not care, nor know a thing about fitness. They are dangerous, when instructing people incorrectly how to use a machine. They don't carry heavy weights. They are getting rid of squat racks.
When I see people in a PF, I think they are not serious about fitness. When you're going to a gym that has pizza night, candy on the front desk, bagels for snacks, there's a fundamental disconnect in getting and staying healthy.
I'd love to see some real stats about PF members. For example:
1. How many who join are still regularly attending one year later
2. How many who join have reached any fitness goals
3. How many who join can do any weights, vs. cardio
4. How many who join are training for anything specific
And compare those stats to other gyms that aren't in the same category.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Of course some who go to PF will be successful. But frankly, PF does not want you to succeed. They want you to stay fat, but pay just enough that you don't care about spending that money each month, so you don't cancel your membership.
you get of things what you put in...regardless of where you are. I hate their commercials and their business model, but it was affordable for me and there are PLENTY of free weights at mine and a squat rack...and i deadlift.
I am VERY serious about my fitness.
I am attending more than one year later
I have reached MANY goals
I rarely do cardio
I am training to be in a powerlifting meet.
I have gone from being extremely weak from 3 herniated discs to being strong and capable.
I bench over a 100 pounds now and can deadlift almost 200... where i started with the 45 on bench and 65 on deadlift.
Your conclusions are so messed up based on your opinion. WHO CARES what food they have there?
NEWSFLASH...if i just smashed the crap of the weights for over an hour i think i can afford to eat whatever snacks they have... i dont because i dont like to eat right away when i lift BUT the fact that it is there should have NO BEARING on your opinion of me going there.
I want a better gym, but i sure kick butt at PF while I am there because I DECIDE to... and so do many people I see at mine.
Well said! I can understand judging the business model, perhaps, but I think judging the people that go there is pretty misplaced. I've belonged to a few different gyms and in each one, there were people on each end of the spectrum- heavy lifting AND walking 3 mph on the treadmill. Neither of the two bothered me.
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Why do I judge those that go there? I've been a few times to the ones in my area. (Field trip of sorts) And I guess if you're totally new to fitness, it's a foot in the door. But the ones around here have people working that do not care, nor know a thing about fitness. They are dangerous, when instructing people incorrectly how to use a machine. They don't carry heavy weights. They are getting rid of squat racks.
When I see people in a PF, I think they are not serious about fitness. When you're going to a gym that has pizza night, candy on the front desk, bagels for snacks, there's a fundamental disconnect in getting and staying healthy.
I'd love to see some real stats about PF members. For example:
1. How many who join are still regularly attending one year later
2. How many who join have reached any fitness goals
3. How many who join can do any weights, vs. cardio
4. How many who join are training for anything specific
And compare those stats to other gyms that aren't in the same category.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Of course some who go to PF will be successful. But frankly, PF does not want you to succeed. They want you to stay fat, but pay just enough that you don't care about spending that money each month, so you don't cancel your membership.
you get of things what you put in...regardless of where you are. I hate their commercials and their business model, but it was affordable for me and there are PLENTY of free weights at mine and a squat rack...and i deadlift.
I am VERY serious about my fitness.
I am attending more than one year later
I have reached MANY goals
I rarely do cardio
I am training to be in a powerlifting meet.
I have gone from being extremely weak from 3 herniated discs to being strong and capable.
I bench over a 100 pounds now and can deadlift almost 200... where i started with the 45 on bench and 65 on deadlift.
Your conclusions are so messed up based on your opinion. WHO CARES what food they have there?
NEWSFLASH...if i just smashed the crap of the weights for over an hour i think i can afford to eat whatever snacks they have... i dont because i dont like to eat right away when i lift BUT the fact that it is there should have NO BEARING on your opinion of me going there.
I want a better gym, but i sure kick butt at PF while I am there because I DECIDE to... and so do many people I see at mine.
kicka$$, for sure0 -
Why do I judge those that go there? I've been a few times to the ones in my area. (Field trip of sorts) And I guess if you're totally new to fitness, it's a foot in the door. But the ones around here have people working that do not care, nor know a thing about fitness. They are dangerous, when instructing people incorrectly how to use a machine. They don't carry heavy weights. They are getting rid of squat racks.
When I see people in a PF, I think they are not serious about fitness. When you're going to a gym that has pizza night, candy on the front desk, bagels for snacks, there's a fundamental disconnect in getting and staying healthy.
I'd love to see some real stats about PF members. For example:
1. How many who join are still regularly attending one year later
2. How many who join have reached any fitness goals
3. How many who join can do any weights, vs. cardio
4. How many who join are training for anything specific
And compare those stats to other gyms that aren't in the same category.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Of course some who go to PF will be successful. But frankly, PF does not want you to succeed. They want you to stay fat, but pay just enough that you don't care about spending that money each month, so you don't cancel your membership.
you get of things what you put in...regardless of where you are. I hate their commercials and their business model, but it was affordable for me and there are PLENTY of free weights at mine and a squat rack...and i deadlift.
I am VERY serious about my fitness.
I am attending more than one year later
I have reached MANY goals
I rarely do cardio
I am training to be in a powerlifting meet.
I have gone from being extremely weak from 3 herniated discs to being strong and capable.
I bench over a 100 pounds now and can deadlift almost 200... where i started with the 45 on bench and 65 on deadlift.
Your conclusions are so messed up based on your opinion. WHO CARES what food they have there?
NEWSFLASH...if i just smashed the crap of the weights for over an hour i think i can afford to eat whatever snacks they have... i dont because i dont like to eat right away when i lift BUT the fact that it is there should have NO BEARING on your opinion of me going there.
I want a better gym, but i sure kick butt at PF while I am there because I DECIDE to... and so do many people I see at mine.
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Why do I judge those that go there? I've been a few times to the ones in my area. (Field trip of sorts) And I guess if you're totally new to fitness, it's a foot in the door. But the ones around here have people working that do not care, nor know a thing about fitness. They are dangerous, when instructing people incorrectly how to use a machine. They don't carry heavy weights. They are getting rid of squat racks.
When I see people in a PF, I think they are not serious about fitness. When you're going to a gym that has pizza night, candy on the front desk, bagels for snacks, there's a fundamental disconnect in getting and staying healthy.
I'd love to see some real stats about PF members. For example:
1. How many who join are still regularly attending one year later
2. How many who join have reached any fitness goals
3. How many who join can do any weights, vs. cardio
4. How many who join are training for anything specific
And compare those stats to other gyms that aren't in the same category.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Of course some who go to PF will be successful. But frankly, PF does not want you to succeed. They want you to stay fat, but pay just enough that you don't care about spending that money each month, so you don't cancel your membership.
you get of things what you put in...regardless of where you are. I hate their commercials and their business model, but it was affordable for me and there are PLENTY of free weights at mine and a squat rack...and i deadlift.
I am VERY serious about my fitness.
I am attending more than one year later
I have reached MANY goals
I rarely do cardio
I am training to be in a powerlifting meet.
I have gone from being extremely weak from 3 herniated discs to being strong and capable.
I bench over a 100 pounds now and can deadlift almost 200... where i started with the 45 on bench and 65 on deadlift.
Your conclusions are so messed up based on your opinion. WHO CARES what food they have there?
NEWSFLASH...if i just smashed the crap of the weights for over an hour i think i can afford to eat whatever snacks they have... i dont because i dont like to eat right away when i lift BUT the fact that it is there should have NO BEARING on your opinion of me going there.
I want a better gym, but i sure kick butt at PF while I am there because I DECIDE to... and so do many people I see at mine.
This.
Aside from Crank, I have a few other kick *kitten* people on my FL that go to PF. We don't have one here.
I love that this 2 year old thread was ressurected by someone to tell his lunk alarm story.0 -
PF is inexpensive and close.
I've met goals here and continue to.
You don't like it, you can kiss my firm well toned buttocks.
Gym snobbery is about the dumbest thing ever.
In a world full of couch potatoes it takes a real douche of a "fit person" to judge however others chose to get fit.0 -
Why do I judge those that go there? I've been a few times to the ones in my area. (Field trip of sorts) And I guess if you're totally new to fitness, it's a foot in the door. But the ones around here have people working that do not care, nor know a thing about fitness. They are dangerous, when instructing people incorrectly how to use a machine. They don't carry heavy weights. They are getting rid of squat racks.
When I see people in a PF, I think they are not serious about fitness. When you're going to a gym that has pizza night, candy on the front desk, bagels for snacks, there's a fundamental disconnect in getting and staying healthy.
I'd love to see some real stats about PF members. For example:
1. How many who join are still regularly attending one year later
2. How many who join have reached any fitness goals
3. How many who join can do any weights, vs. cardio
4. How many who join are training for anything specific
And compare those stats to other gyms that aren't in the same category.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Of course some who go to PF will be successful. But frankly, PF does not want you to succeed. They want you to stay fat, but pay just enough that you don't care about spending that money each month, so you don't cancel your membership.
You seem like such an expert, and your vast knowledge of PF and their members is extremely impressive. FR Sent!0 -
Why do I judge those that go there? I've been a few times to the ones in my area. (Field trip of sorts) And I guess if you're totally new to fitness, it's a foot in the door. But the ones around here have people working that do not care, nor know a thing about fitness. They are dangerous, when instructing people incorrectly how to use a machine. They don't carry heavy weights. They are getting rid of squat racks.
When I see people in a PF, I think they are not serious about fitness. When you're going to a gym that has pizza night, candy on the front desk, bagels for snacks, there's a fundamental disconnect in getting and staying healthy.
I'd love to see some real stats about PF members. For example:
1. How many who join are still regularly attending one year later
2. How many who join have reached any fitness goals
3. How many who join can do any weights, vs. cardio
4. How many who join are training for anything specific
And compare those stats to other gyms that aren't in the same category.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Of course some who go to PF will be successful. But frankly, PF does not want you to succeed. They want you to stay fat, but pay just enough that you don't care about spending that money each month, so you don't cancel your membership.
A lot of people are reading this thread right now and thinking you're stupid. That sucks. You're not stupid. You manage to string words into coherent sentences and you've clearly had some success of your own at this whole deal. What you are is myopic. And that myopia is bred from a healthy dose of ignorance. But that's cool. A lot of really smart people are really ignorant about a lot of things. They way to prove that you're not stupid is to recognize when you're being ignorant. Which, in your case, is right now in this thread.
Look. I've been in and out of gyms for large chunks of 4 different decades. I've been in every type of gym you can think of, and probably a few you can't. I've seen high end, multi-level fitness palaces. I've seen super hard core, hole in the wall iron factories. I've worked out next to mobsters, actual body builders, movie stars, and professional wrestlers. I've also worked out next to janitors, SAHMs, students, and drifters. None of that **** matters. Your gym, whatever that gym looks like, whatever rules they have or snacks they offer, is nothing more and nothing less than what you make of it. Pizza Monday? Awesome! I need me some carbs after a workout. You don't? Awesome! Don't have a slice. See how easy that is?
Just in the last decade here in the beautiful city of Toronto I've been a regular at three different gyms. Two multi-level fitness utopias and one joint with a lunk alarm. One was full of SAHMs and business-types coming in for their lunch break power workout. Another was full of the true upper crust. The place where movie stars go to work out with their trainers when they are in town for TIFF or to film their next project. The lunk alarm place? Yeah, that's in a dodgie neighbourhood. People are people. Every one of those gyms have their handful of elites, their slightly larger handful of grinders, and their mass of flotsam that is paying the freight for everyone else. The only difference that I can see is the price of their workout clothes. But hey, if you doubt that come workout in my dodgie neighbourhood lunk alarm gym. I'll introduce you to the young woman I talked to yesterday who weighs all of 120 and was benching 145 for reps. And no, not on a smith machine. She'd be hella impressed to hear you tell her about how she's not serious. Or maybe you can chat with delt woman ( seriously, the woman has the best delts I have ever seen on a human ) about how that lunk alarm impedes her progress. Or the woman who comes in at night with her husband and bangs out reps on the dead lift at 275. Yeah, I bet she's crazy ashamed of working out in that gym. Honestly, you could not hang at my lunk alarm gym. But that's ok. It's a no judgement place.
Also, the lunk alarms are bull****. I'm almost certain they are on a timer to go off at random times. My gym is not staffed after 4:00pm and it still goes off. I've been the only human in the place and heard it go off several times while I was on a rower.0 -
Shrug. You can think I'm ignorant, or a *****, or pretty much anything you want. Doesn't really faze me. But if you do a little research, I'm not off the mark. I might be blunt, or even rude, in my delivery. And as I've said all along, there are exceptions to the rule. But looking into research on gyms like PF, I'm not wrong about their business model.
If you've had success there, fantastic! I sincerely hope everyone succeeds. I spent way too many years fat and unhealthy (and unhappy as a result), and I know it sucks. But I don't think PF hopes everyone succeeds. In fact, if everyone did, they would fold.0 -
Shrug. You can think I'm ignorant, or a *****, or pretty much anything you want. Doesn't really faze me. But if you do a little research, I'm not off the mark. I might be blunt, or even rude, in my delivery. And as I've said all along, there are exceptions to the rule. But looking into research on gyms like PF, I'm not wrong about their business model.
If you've had success there, fantastic! I sincerely hope everyone succeeds. I spent way too many years fat and unhealthy (and unhappy as a result), and I know it sucks. But I don't think PF hopes everyone succeeds. In fact, if everyone did, they would fold.
Double down. Nice play.0 -
I can't lie, I find it perturbing that they had to invent a term to classify what they deem "undesirables" in the fitness community. While I've never gone to a Planet Fitness (always just been a local YMCA fan myself), I'm pretty sure that a loud alarm that blared periodically would be more disruptive to me than any grunts, yells, or dropping of weights.
I still don't think anyone gets to judge where someone chooses to work out. For now, I work out at home using free weights and workout videos. Does that mean I'm not putting in enough effort? No, it means I'm being freaking cut open in May and I don't want to purchase a gym membership until I heal from that surgery.
You might not like Planet Fitness' business model or latent discrimination, but for some people, it's a good option. That doesn't make their goals any less valid or likely to be reached.0 -
planet shi*ness sucks.....in my home town...the staff doesnt know their *kitten* from a whole in the purple wall.....
they are pittiful .....
very rude...will not even speak to you when you come in the door.... i changed to World Gym and it is like a family there...I love my new gym...
not the dang purple gym.....0 -
I go there and really love it. Pizza on the first Monday of the month.0
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Shrug. You can think I'm ignorant, or a *****, or pretty much anything you want. Doesn't really faze me. But if you do a little research, I'm not off the mark. I might be blunt, or even rude, in my delivery. And as I've said all along, there are exceptions to the rule. But looking into research on gyms like PF, I'm not wrong about their business model.
If you've had success there, fantastic! I sincerely hope everyone succeeds. I spent way too many years fat and unhealthy (and unhappy as a result), and I know it sucks. But I don't think PF hopes everyone succeeds. In fact, if everyone did, they would fold.
I'm glad you've made improvements in your life and physical health. Maybe you should spend some time working on your inner-self, empathy towards others, and personality. There's a difference between being blunt and being a jerk.0 -
Why would the people who are not ready (or don't ever want to be) as dedicated as those at a $150 a month gym pay that price? It might motivate them for a month or two. Why wouldn't they pay $10 a month with no contract? They are there for wading pool, not the deep end. That's ok.
I remember about ten years ago many found the gym to be a waste of money due to the monthly cost and contractual nature of them. Many people paid a lot more than $10 and didn't go. It's nice that there's a place for people who are working on making changes, don't have much money, or don't have the same goals as more intense fitness people to have a place to go without dropping more than $1500 a year.
No, I don't go to PF.
I do agree that the judgment of "lunkheads" is pretty hypocritical and a lunk alarm sounds like a good way for someone to get injured. If they want to market to the average person, they can do that by focusing on the positives, like it being non-intimidating and a comforting and accepting atmosphere, without picking on anyone.0
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