Where is the science!

Wonderob

Our bodies are a science so weight loss should be too; however we see the same old arguments on here every day that we did 20 years ago and it's not right! Why are we still guessing about things when we should be given indisputable facts!

The following are debated every day SO PLEASE DON'T ANSWER THEM; we need to be told these things once and for all by an impartial, unbiased organisation with the sole agenda of telling the facts!

Does breakfast kick start your metabolism?
Does spreading your meals out through the day keep your metabolism high?
The old favourite - what is starvation/survival mode? We need to know when or if it kicks in?
Another favourite - are artificial sweetners bad for you?
Is it as simple as calories in = calories out?
Do meal times matter? Is it ok to eat late at night?
To lose weight, Is it better to exercise in the 'fat buring zone'?
Are low carb diets bad for you?
Many many more!

You may well think you have the answer to these but it won't be the same as someone elses. It should be!

The one thing I often hear is "Everyone is different", well no, we're all almost exactly the same chemically and biologically. Scientists didn't stop searching for a cure for leprosy because "we're all different'!

We shouldn't be working to anecdotal evidence...... "Drinking chicken soup worked for me" "I've lost 50lbs by not eating after 3pm" "I've started eating breakfast and now I'm losing the lbs!"

We need an indisputable list - not from Jenny Craig, not from Jillian Michaels, not from Shaun T, not from Tony Horton - they all have their own agenda!

We can all instantly find out exactly how many calories are in a McDonalds chicken burger with half the poppy seeds taken off, We have HRMs to tell us eactly how many calories 33 minutes of Zumba burnt. Dieting SHOULD be getting easier! WHY ISN'T IT?!!!

Dave198lbs

We need an indisputable list - not from Jenny Craig, not from Jillian Michaels, not from Shaun T, not from Tony Horton - they all have their own agenda!

who do think should provide you with this list? I really dont understand your point unless maybe you've had a few pints

Wonderob

We need an indisputable list - not from Jenny Craig, not from Jillian Michaels, not from Shaun T, not from Tony Horton - they all have their own agenda!

who do think should provide you with this list? I really dont understand your point unless maybe you've had a few pints

It was a long post so I understand why you didn't read it all

"we need to be told these things once and for all by an impartial, unbiased organisation with the sole agenda of telling the facts!"

Governments, World Health Organisation, United Nations, Universities, National Health Service ....

beachlover317

Dieting has always been hard. The basic concept of calories in/calories out was fine when all there was to eat was healthy, clean food and we worked hard every day - usually doing physical labor. Now we have really bad food choices. Everything is too easy and processed. Fast food is on every corner. Soft drinks are prevalent. Obesity is rampant. Dieting is hard. Someone every few minutes comes up with another gimic that will "help you lose weight for good". I don't buy it. I believe until we get off our collective a$$es and decide to eat "real food" we are doomed to failure. Or at least to short bursts of success followed by failure. Just my opinion.

darrensurrey

I think one problem is that new research appears all the time. New research suggests low carbing is bad for you. Well, women. Kinda. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/329161/Heart-attack-risk-in-dieting

Dave198lbs

We need an indisputable list - not from Jenny Craig, not from Jillian Michaels, not from Shaun T, not from Tony Horton - they all have their own agenda!

who do think should provide you with this list? I really dont understand your point unless maybe you've had a few pints

It was a long post so I understand why you didn't read it all

"we need to be told these things once and for all by an impartial, unbiased organisation with the sole agenda of telling the facts!"

Governments, World Health Organisation, United Nations, Universities, National Health Service ....

why? and the U.S. government does tell americans what they "should" eat. I dont agree with my government regarding food choices but why do we need anyone telling us these things? we have brains and the information is available. What we need to do is take responsibility for ourselves and quit waitng to be told anything. We are not sheep.

And also, I looked at your diary. You dont eat much fresh food and do eat a lot of convenience prepared food. You could start with a basic diet of more fresh food and less packaged food. good luck

Dave198lbs

I think one problem is that new research appears all the time. New research suggests low carbing is bad for you. Well, women. Kinda. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/329161/Heart-attack-risk-in-dieting

I read this and it is a very weak and flawed study. I wouldnt make any decision based on this.

darrensurrey

I think one problem is that new research appears all the time. New research suggests low carbing is bad for you. Well, women. Kinda. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/329161/Heart-attack-risk-in-dieting

I read this and it is a very weak and flawed study. I wouldnt make any decision based on this.

Interested to know where your concerns are...

SuperSexyDork

We can all instantly find out exactly how many calories are in a McDonalds chicken burger with half the poppy seeds taken off, We have HRMs to tell us eactly how many calories 33 minutes of Zumba burnt. Dieting SHOULD be getting easier! WHY ISN'T IT?!!!

I hate to tell you that these are also just guesses...

There are a lot of different factors including changes in the manufacturing, food places not measuring the ingredients exactly (really think they have time for that with every sandwich, salad, shake?), change in places that produce is grown, even how long a vegetable has been cut for etc that can change nutrition without you knowing the difference so the nutritional information of most food is a rough estimate or an average.

Also heart rate monitors estimate the calories you burn during any exercise. They can't tell exactly because your caloric burn is affected by more than just your heart rate. If you really burned more calories just with your heart rate being high, it would be possible to scare everyone thin, don't you think? They're also averages.

So, get over the hang up of what should be and focus on what is. Eat whole foods and exercise and you'll lose weight. Maybe not exactly the amount you're aiming for each week, but it should be damn near close.

Good luck!

Edit: fixing a typo.

animatorswearbras

I think there is actually quite a few scientific studies into all these things, who do you think calculated a formula for BMR BMI etc, we have a big obesity epidemic in the west so there is alot of research by alot of scientific institutions.

The problem is there is alot to look through so you have to kind of filter it, (I think your argument is that you want one institution to filter everything, but that is unlikely). My filter is burn more cals then I consume (as this is widely proven), exercise to boost my metabolism (proven to increase general health, metabolism and mental health), eat plenty of vitamin rich foods fruit, veg, lean meat, wholemeal, lots of water and "try" to avoid things that are proven bad as much as possible (sat fat, salt, corn/maize syrup/starch, mostly found in processed foods)

I also find anecdotal evidence very useful I friend people who are roughly the same height, weight, goals, age, gender etc and if they are losing (pounds or inches), I try to emulate parts of their diet/regime.

Sorry if that's not much help

marcharing

It's a good point but.......

The scientists don't seem to be able to agree though and there are so many people that follow bad science but if they've got the loudest voices then those are the ones the politicians listen to. On top of that you've got the pressure from industry through lobbying and such like. Then look at the diet books. They are often "written" by celebrities!!! And if you need anymore problems you have just plain big ego's that mean people will hold onto ideas regardless.

Me, I generally only eat once a day and never do cardio but still get results. Wouldn't expect others to follow that though.

Nice idea but it aint never going to happen.

Wonderob

why? and the U.S. government does tell americans what they "should" eat. I dont agree with my government regarding food choices but why do we need anyone telling us these things? we have brains and the information is available. What we need to do is take responsibility for ourselves and quit waitng to be told anything. We are not sheep.

And also, I looked at your diary. You dont eat much fresh food and do eat a lot of convenience prepared food. You could start with a basic diet of more fresh food and less packaged food. good luck

I'm 47 and have found by trial and error what works for me - I'm now a healthy, ideal weight so I chose what I eat based on experience and what I enjoy

It's apparently not so simple for many though, hence the constant struggles and anxiety

Ok so I want to take responsibilty for myself - I'm not a sheep. Ive heard that I mustnt skip breakfast. Ive heard that I mustnt eat after 9pm, Ive heard that my metabolism will slow down if I eat enough calories. What is true? What is wrong with guidance? The information IS available - type diet into google and a billion websites will come up - all trying to sell us something!

beachlover317

why? and the U.S. government does tell americans what they "should" eat. I dont agree with my government regarding food choices but why do we need anyone telling us these things? we have brains and the information is available. What we need to do is take responsibility for ourselves and quit waitng to be told anything. We are not sheep.

And also, I looked at your diary. You dont eat much fresh food and do eat a lot of convenience prepared food. You could start with a basic diet of more fresh food and less packaged food. good luck

I'm 47 and have found by trial and error what works for me - I'm now a healthy, ideal weight so I chose what I eat based on experience and what I enjoy

It's apparently not so simple for many though, hence the constant struggles and anxiety

Ok so I want to take responsibilty for myself - I'm not a sheep. Ive heard that I mustnt skip breakfast. Ive heard that I mustnt eat after 9pm, Ive heard that my metabolism will slow down if I eat enough calories. What is true? What is wrong with guidance? The information IS available - type diet into google and a billion websites will come up - all trying to sell us something!

Your last sentence sums up the entire problem, my friend. The most important word.....sell.

manderson27

The one thing I often hear is "Everyone is different", well no, we're all almost exactly the same chemically and biologically. Scientists didn't stop searching for a cure for leprosy because "we're all different'!

I applaud the sentiment but...

Abstract

"A 50 year male developed a discoid lesion of leprosy on the face. Inspite of Dapsone 100 mg/day and Rifampicin 600 mgm per day the disease spread to both sides of the face and forehead. It became worse with Prednisolone and Clofazimine. It cleared completely when Sultamicillin was added to the latter. This seems to be the first patient of leprosy to be treated with this combination and reported"

We didn't stop searching for a cure for leprosy, no, but we have found that one size does not fit all, and adaptions are needed for individuals (even with leprosy) Why should it be any different with dieting?

There will always be exceptions to the rules and too many variables in the human physiology/lifestyle to assume that what works with one person will always work for others.

It would be fantastic to have a definitive answer to "How to lose weight" given to us by a trusted source. But until "they" find it we will just have to keep experimenting with our diets and excercise until we find something that works for us. If that means trying some of the things that others feel has helped them, then I will try them, if they don't work for me I will discard them. After all what have I got to lose? Oh yeah another 30 pounds or so.

Wonderob

Your last sentence sums up the entire problem, my friend. The most important word.....sell.

Yep - we're fighting against a multi billion dollar industry

Dave198lbs

It would be fantastic to have a definitive answer to "How to lose weight" given to us by a trusted source.

this answer is everywhere.........eat less calories than you need

that simple answer is always there but gets hidden with gimmicks and convoluted nonsense.

714rah714

If there was one set of rules that worked for everybody then no one would be overweight, thus the confusion, because what works for one person as far as weight loss is concerned, those not necessarily mean it will work for another

beachlover317

It would be fantastic to have a definitive answer to "How to lose weight" given to us by a trusted source.

this answer is everywhere.........eat less calories than you need

that simple answer is always there but gets hidden with gimmicks and convoluted nonsense.

Exactly. Whole unprocessed foods. Exercise.

beachlover317

It would be fantastic to have a definitive answer to "How to lose weight" given to us by a trusted source.

this answer is everywhere.........eat less calories than you need

that simple answer is always there but gets hidden with gimmicks and convoluted nonsense.

Jeez, people. If they give us a definitive answer - how will they make all the money?????

ElizabethRoad

Why are all those questions so important to you anyway? Eat less and exercise. Experiment with meal timing and see what works for you. If you don't trust artificial sweeteners, don't use them. Don't make everything so hard.

darrensurrey

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