Shooting @ Batman Movie Premeire
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This is undoubtedly sad.
The question we would ask in England is how did he get kevlar helmet, kevlar vest, assault rifle, and a hand gun - but our attitude to guns is very different
Came here to write this, from Canada, it shouldn't be a shock to a lot of people this happened. When someone can buy these things and have them in their house, it's bound to happen! Just takes one crazy guy, this had nothing to do with the actual movie...
I would be willing to bet you my house against a 5 dollar bill that the guns were not obtained legally. People always bring up gun laws like they actually help prevent these issues. Criminals will have/get guns if they are legal or not. Cocaine has been illegal for years and coke heads still get their hands on plenty of it.
Yep, wrong. He legally owned all the guns and all the ammo. God bless America. Every weapon he used is illegal in Canada. Just saying.
And also this.
When was the last time something like this happened in London or England?
Yeah, I won't hold my breath.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1414855/England-has-worst-crime-rate-in-world.html0 -
There is too much killing, and violence, in movies, video games, and TV shows. That is contributing factor when some *kitten* goes does something like this. And gun control laws are not the answer. Drugs are illegal, but no one has trouble getting them.0
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This is undoubtedly sad.
The question we would ask in England is how did he get kevlar helmet, kevlar vest, assault rifle, and a hand gun - but our attitude to guns is very different
Came here to write this, from Canada, it shouldn't be a shock to a lot of people this happened. When someone can buy these things and have them in their house, it's bound to happen! Just takes one crazy guy, this had nothing to do with the actual movie...
I would be willing to bet you my house against a 5 dollar bill that the guns were not obtained legally. People always bring up gun laws like they actually help prevent these issues. Criminals will have/get guns if they are legal or not. Cocaine has been illegal for years and coke heads still get their hands on plenty of it.
Yep, wrong. He legally owned all the guns and all the ammo. God bless America. Every weapon he used is illegal in Canada. Just saying.
And also this.
When was the last time something like this happened in London or England?
Yeah, I won't hold my breath.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1414855/England-has-worst-crime-rate-in-world.html
1) That's from 2002. Find a more recent one and it still wouldn't be relevant because..................
2) It's talking about overall crime not shootings.0 -
This is undoubtedly sad.
The question we would ask in England is how did he get kevlar helmet, kevlar vest, assault rifle, and a hand gun - but our attitude to guns is very different
Came here to write this, from Canada, it shouldn't be a shock to a lot of people this happened. When someone can buy these things and have them in their house, it's bound to happen! Just takes one crazy guy, this had nothing to do with the actual movie...
I would be willing to bet you my house against a 5 dollar bill that the guns were not obtained legally. People always bring up gun laws like they actually help prevent these issues. Criminals will have/get guns if they are legal or not. Cocaine has been illegal for years and coke heads still get their hands on plenty of it.
Yep, wrong. He legally owned all the guns and all the ammo. God bless America. Every weapon he used is illegal in Canada. Just saying.
And also this.
When was the last time something like this happened in London or England?
Yeah, I won't hold my breath.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1414855/England-has-worst-crime-rate-in-world.html
1) That's from 2002. Find a more recent one and it still wouldn't be relevant because..................
2) It's talking about overall crime not shootings.
1) Crime shouldn't have changed much from the top 10 in the world in the past 10 years. This article is before the economic collapse. If the UK has been able to drop from the top ten to the 50ths or 100ths even after a world wide economic collapse, please UK let us know your secret, because the entire world has been trying the same for centuries.
2) this article IS about overall crime.
I'm not against or for guns. There is no silver bullet answer to gun related tragedies because crime has been ongoing since man first made history. Crime in general has been inversely proportional to economic progress. When a country is economically well off, crime rates have gone down. There has been a point in history where the US had historic lows in crime during high economic progress.
Eliminating guns won't solve the problem. The laws of supply and demand have shown us that eliminating any good with a demand will create a black market for that good. (Alcohol in the 20s for example).
Every discussion about a tragic event always becomes a controversial topic discussion. I hope the best for those affected by the tragedy.0 -
I don't care what side of the gun agenda you're on. This is not the time to push it. There is something fundamentally sick about taking someone's tragedy and turning it into a talking point for politics within the very week that it has happened.0
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I don't care what side of the gun agenda you're on. This is not the time to push it. There is something fundamentally sick about taking someone's tragedy and turning it into a talking point for politics within the very week that it has happened.
I agree.0 -
How many people knew about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sKQl-Qp5W0&feature=related
hmmm, maybe CCW permit has its merits.....hmmmm0 -
Once again a regrettable situation for two families. Luckily not more. God Bless them all.0
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is anyone else a little nervous to go see batman now? just saying, i am definitely going to be thinking about it0
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Miquel you either have to be an anti gun wacko or a complete idiot to make a comment like that!! Why srutinize honest americans when criminals and bad people will get guns regardless of how strict our gun laws are! In this country we have a right to bare arms and making it harder to for good law biding citizens to buy guns is about the dumbest thing I have read on this site since I have been a member, bad people wont obey any laws! Dont tread on me.
You're right. We should scrutinize EVERY person that wants to buy a gun, no exceptions. We should also scrutinize anyone that wants to buy a car as well, no exceptions. Also, anyone that wants to buy a beer should go through rigorous psycho evaluation. Can you imagine what *could* happen if someone drank and drove?? The consequences could be disastrous!I love how people are saying gun control isn't an issue. I'm sorry but how many guns and how much equipment did he have? It was probably very easy for him to get hold of all that crap, and you don;t think that's a problem? Ridiculous! No, not everyone who has a gun is a psycho, but making it easy for psychos to get guns isn't good.
Food for thought: how may "shootings" happen at gun practice ranges, where EVERYONE has a gun??0 -
and i disagree with the pro-gun people. i get that guns don't kill people and people kill people. but say he went in with a knife, because that was all he had access too, the amount of people dead would be much more minimal. easy access to something that can allow a man to do something like this is silly. it is about prevention, no one is blaming guns, they are thinking..."what might prevent something like this from happening again", even at the level it did. He bought like, 600 rounds of ammunition or something. On the street, that is harder to acquire!!!0
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I live here in Colorado ,near Aurora and this is such a tragedy. Everyone wants to know why this man done any of this!! This was fully planned out down to the shooting starting around the same time as a shooting scene in the movie apparently. So many innocent victims died and so many injured . Hearing the accounts of what happened on the news was just heartbreaking. All those poor families.
How did he know when and what happened in the movie prior to a midnite screening?0 -
You're right. We should scrutinize EVERY person that wants to buy a gun, no exceptions. We should also scrutinize anyone that wants to buy a car as well, no exceptions. Also, anyone that wants to buy a beer should go through rigorous psycho evaluation. Can you imagine what *could* happen if someone drank and drove?? The consequences could be disastrous!I love how people are saying gun control isn't an issue. I'm sorry but how many guns and how much equipment did he have? It was probably very easy for him to get hold of all that crap, and you don;t think that's a problem? Ridiculous! No, not everyone who has a gun is a psycho, but making it easy for psychos to get guns isn't good.
Food for thought: how may "shootings" happen at gun practice ranges, where EVERYONE has a gun??
most people don't want to shoot up a gun range, and i am sure the paper trail and security is enough to prevent a disastrous outcome and allow someone to get away with it. not to mention, everyone does have guns....so why would they try and shoot someone who might have a better shot? this man opened fire on unsuspecting individuals.0 -
I live here in Colorado ,near Aurora and this is such a tragedy. Everyone wants to know why this man done any of this!! This was fully planned out down to the shooting starting around the same time as a shooting scene in the movie apparently. So many innocent victims died and so many injured . Hearing the accounts of what happened on the news was just heartbreaking. All those poor families.
How did he know when and what happened in the movie prior to a midnite screening?
there may have been something in the comics that suggested what happened, or a leak maybe?0 -
They can make gun laws as tight as they want. That will NOT stop bad people from getting guns. If they want them, they will always have a way to find them. All restricting gun laws does is make it harder for us good citizens who could protect our selves and others more difficult for us to do that exact thing.0
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They can make gun laws as tight as they want. That will NOT stop bad people from getting guns. If they want them, they will always have a way to find them. All restricting gun laws does is make it harder for us good citizens who could protect our selves and others more difficult for us to do that exact thing.
guns seldom protect people. and i never once said it stops "bad" people from getting guns. but it does prevent, or makes it much more difficult, for someone like this batman shooter to acquire as much weaponry as he did. i honestly doubt someone like this would be able to acquire the weaponry he did here in canada. we have a lot of gang violence, but no one comes out firing the rounds that were fired at this event. it is such a tragedy.0 -
Put his *kitten* in the prison, general population and he will get what's coming to him !!!
Un F'n believable !!!!0 -
Put his *kitten* in the prison, general population and he will get what's coming to him !!!
Un F'n believable !!!!
That won't happen
He is on the women's side of the jail right now in Solitary confinement.0 -
guns seldom protect people.
Really?0 -
Colorado has the death penalty, I really hope they use it.0
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My thoughts at this time are with the victims, what can you say to easy their pain god be with them all.0
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guns seldom protect people.
Really?
Yeah, I can think of at least a half dozen situations in the last year in my area alone where citizens who carried a CWP were able to save lives because they were carrying a weapon in the right place at the right time. I am 100% against gun control. That being said, I don't think someone carrying a weapon would've helped in this particular situation. In fact, I'm of the opinion that it would more likely have made it worse. Think about it, the theatre is dark, there are people everywhere running and screaming in a panic. It would have been difficult for a trained law enforcement officer or military personnel to get off a shot at the suspect without inadvertantly hitting an innocent civillian, much less an average citizen with minimal weapons training and probably little to no training on how to stay calm in a crisis situation. I'm pretty sure that our Sherriff here in Spartanburg County, SC, Chuck Wright, would even agree with this. And he went on record telling Spartanburg County residents that it was a good idea to arm themselves because the police, hard as they may try, cannot be everywhere at once.0 -
guns seldom protect people.
Really?
Yeah, I can think of at least a half dozen situations in the last year in my area alone where citizens who carried a CWP were able to save lives because they were carrying a weapon in the right place at the right time. I am 100% against gun control. That being said, I don't think someone carrying a weapon would've helped in this particular situation. In fact, I'm of the opinion that it would more likely have made it worse. Think about it, the theatre is dark, there are people everywhere running and screaming in a panic. It would have been difficult for a trained law enforcement officer or <a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">military</a> personnel to get off a shot at the suspect without inadvertantly hitting an innocent civillian, much less an average citizen with minimal weapons training and probably little to no training on how to stay calm in a crisis situation. I'm pretty sure that our Sherriff here in Spartanburg County, SC, Chuck Wright, would even agree with this. And he went on record telling Spartanburg County residents that it was a good idea to arm themselves because the police, hard as they may try, cannot be everywhere at once.
i should clarify...people should leave it to the professionals. but that is just my opinion!0 -
Unfortunately 99.9% of the time the victem is already the victem by the time the police arrive. Just because you make guns illegal doesnt make it any harder for bad people to get them. Just look at illegal drugs, its still easier for kids to buy them right in front of their schools than it is for them to buy alcohol. Anybody that thinks any different is a complete moron! Armed citizens prevent crime or atleast keep themselves from becomming another statisic.guns seldom protect people.
Really?
Yeah, I can think of at least a half dozen situations in the last year in my area alone where citizens who carried a CWP were able to save lives because they were carrying a weapon in the right place at the right time. I am 100% against gun control. That being said, I don't think someone carrying a weapon would've helped in this particular situation. In fact, I'm of the opinion that it would more likely have made it worse. Think about it, the theatre is dark, there are people everywhere running and screaming in a panic. It would have been difficult for a trained law enforcement officer or <a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">military</a> personnel to get off a shot at the suspect without inadvertantly hitting an innocent civillian, much less an average citizen with minimal weapons training and probably little to no training on how to stay calm in a crisis situation. I'm pretty sure that our Sherriff here in Spartanburg County, SC, Chuck Wright, would even agree with this. And he went on record telling Spartanburg County residents that it was a good idea to arm themselves because the police, hard as they may try, cannot be everywhere at once.
i should clarify...people should leave it to the professionals. but that is just my opinion!0 -
I don't care what side of the gun agenda you're on. This is not the time to push it. There is something fundamentally sick about taking someone's tragedy and turning it into a talking point for politics within the very week that it has happened.
I agree.
^ This! It makes me sick how people are doing this.. ugh.0 -
They can make gun laws as tight as they want. That will NOT stop bad people from getting guns. If they want them, they will always have a way to find them. All restricting gun laws does is make it harder for us good citizens who could protect our selves and others more difficult for us to do that exact thing.
guns seldom protect people. and i never once said it stops "bad" people from getting guns. but it does prevent, or makes it much more difficult, for someone like this batman shooter to acquire as much weaponry as he did. i honestly doubt someone like this would be able to acquire the weaponry he did here in canada. we have a lot of gang violence, but no one comes out firing the rounds that were fired at this event. it is such a tragedy.
You don't think that someone who truly wants to do harm with a gun can't get weapons no matter what?
Go ahead and tighten up the gun laws and you will have more illegal gun sales and guns landing in the wrong hands. It's a shame when someone like this whack job goes and does something as horrific like this because once again everything is turned around to gun control and making the laws tighter and making it more difficult for people to obtain pistols. Go ahead and tighten up those laws or ban guns all together. Remember a little thing called "Prohibition"? People found other means of obtaining and making alcohol even though it was prohibited. Do you honestly believe that people won't find a way to get or manufacture guns if they're banned?
I am a gun owner. I have my pistol permit and I wish that I could carry my weapon every where but the sad fact is that I can't. If just one or two people in that theater were packing heat they probably could have taken that guy down and the damage caused would have been a lot less worse.I don't care what side of the gun agenda you're on. This is not the time to push it. There is something fundamentally sick about taking someone's tragedy and turning it into a talking point for politics within the very week that it has happened.
Facts are facts. No matter how tragic the situation was people will always bring it around to the "guns need to be banned because they're bad" issue because guess what? That's exactly what all the politician and anti-gun people are thinking and talking about right now any way.0 -
'I am a gun owner. I have my pistol permit and I wish that I could carry my weapon every where but the sad fact is that I can't. If just one or two people in that theater were packing heat they probably could have taken that guy down and the damage caused would have been a lot less worse. '
The above statement tells you all you need to know about what 'gun ownership rights ' do to a society.
The shooter in the cinema released a gas canister prior to opening fire. Thank god other people did not have guns or in the confusion and panic there would have been bullets flying all over the place and MORE people would have died.0 -
Unfortunately 99.9% of the time the victem is already the victem by the time the police arrive. Just because you make guns illegal doesnt make it any harder for bad people to get them. Just look at illegal drugs, its still easier for kids to buy them right in front of their schools than it is for them to buy alcohol. Anybody that thinks any different is a complete moron! Armed citizens prevent crime or atleast keep themselves from becomming another statisic.guns seldom protect people.
Really?
Yeah, I can think of at least a half dozen situations in the last year in my area alone where citizens who carried a CWP were able to save lives because they were carrying a weapon in the right place at the right time. I am 100% against gun control. That being said, I don't think someone carrying a weapon would've helped in this particular situation. In fact, I'm of the opinion that it would more likely have made it worse. Think about it, the theatre is dark, there are people everywhere running and screaming in a panic. It would have been difficult for a trained law enforcement officer or <a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">military</a> personnel to get off a shot at the suspect without inadvertantly hitting an innocent civillian, much less an average citizen with minimal weapons training and probably little to no training on how to stay calm in a crisis situation. I'm pretty sure that our Sherriff here in Spartanburg County, SC, Chuck Wright, would even agree with this. And he went on record telling Spartanburg County residents that it was a good idea to arm themselves because the police, hard as they may try, cannot be everywhere at once.
i should clarify...people should leave it to the professionals. but that is just my opinion!
calling me a moron doesn't exactly solve anything. and at least i think anti-gun people are offering an alternative and trying to be solution focused instead of just saying "no, knives kill people too!", that isn't the point. the point is that when crazy people do crazy things and you make it harder for them to do it, it is done with less throttle than this *kitten* used. don't call me a moron, for the love of god do you insult everyone you don't agree with. gah.0 -
i should clarify...people should leave it to the professionals. but that is just my opinion!
& what do you do when it takes minutes for the professionals to get there?0
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