What does Lulu Lemon have against fat people?
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I don't shop at high priced athletic stores but I read this post anyways, and I was just wondering why the stores try so much to make workout clothes fashionable high end, high priced clothing...i personally wouldn't want to buy something expensive that are not for fancy events but working out...what about the comfortable cotton top and jogging pants? I don't think fashion should matter this much when someone is working out. There are really good points about the industry trying to change standards, and unfortunately booting out the people who do need the clothes to workout. Maybe it's just me, but I like working out in my cotton t-shirt, sweater and my jogging pants, and really comfortable shoes! I don't really pay attention to what people are wearing when they are breaking a sweat, but i don't know apparently others do..
It's one of those things where if you don't understand the point of paying for quality, you just won't get it. Something high end/high quality has a different look, feel and wear. It'll last you longer and often times will just feel more comfortable. That's not to say a lower priced item is automatically not good, its just not as good.
For myself I don't just buy clothing to be clothed. I buy something that feels good and looks good on me. If that means I'd have to spend more money on it, then that's something I'll definitely be willing to do.0 -
My workout gear is comprised of compression shorts and soft cotton concert/event t-shirts. I can afford to buy Lululemon, but, if it's not something I can wear anywhere other than the gym, I'm not paying their ridiculous prices. It's hard for me to look cute when I'm all red and sweaty, so I don't think certain clothes are going to make much of a difference. :indifferent:0
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I love my lulu running gear. It's very comfortable and looks good too.
I don't understand the fuss about their sizing though. So what if they only go up to a size 12. Thin people don't complain about plus size stores starting at size 14 or whatever size they start at.
If you want to buy lulu and it's too small for you, then use it as motivation to lose weight and then you too will look and feel fabulous in their clothes.
Just my opinion
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if you have them near you, hit up tj maxx or marshalls OR the clearance racks at outlet stores! Whn I was in florida I got a TON of cute nike/addidas/under armor stuff for SOO Cheap, and marshalls/tjmaxx have biger sizes0
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Need to gripe about this for a moment but going to be as fair as I can be in my observations.
Truth (as I see it): Lulu lemon is a company that is not just selling a product but trying to portray a specific lifestyle of health and fitness. (I have even heard that to be employed by them you must meet a certain fitness/health criteria, although that is just hearsay, can't say for sure) and this is okay; this is not a bad thing.
Second truth (as I see it): Spandex is not a BIG girl/guy's friend. I get it. I can be honest with myself. Spandex and tight fitted clothing is not generally the most attractive articles of clothing on a person of larger proportions.
So what's bothering me?
A majority of people (admittedly not all) that shop at lulu lemon and stores like it are not buying this trendy work out gear to go work out; they are buying it to look "fashionable" and "hip".
I, as well as many other overwieght people (like all the people on MFP) want to purchase work out wear not because of a fashion statement but because we genuinely want to get fit! I feel like my true effort to get fit and get healthy and lose weight fits better within the lulu lemon "mission/statement" than those who just want to look fashionable. (Having said that, i have nothing against those who want to purchase this workout wear just for fun and for comfort).
So why is it that their female products only go up to a size 12? Why is that I am unable to buy clothing that is appropriate and specifically suited for working out? Why is being over a size 12 unacceptable to them? (NOT TO MENTION that their male products go up to a size XXL... but that starts a whole other argument about "Society Driven & Accepted gender body images")
I know i can shop anywhere and that I do not need to buy lulu lemon clothing... but to be honest, in general, finding appropriate workout wear in plus sizes is very difficult. At least where I live.
I know I am singling out lulu lemon since MOST producers of work out wear are of the same opinion (No Spandex for fatties lol even though not all work out wear is tight fitting or made of spandex) but I am really put off by a company that is trying to "project an image and lifestyle" of fitness, yet their products are prejudice against those who really want to get fit, who want to better their lives.
Sure slim people work out too, I'm not suggesting otherwise, I just don't understand why it is "unacceptable" for an overweight person to want to purchsae workout wear.
I will also admit that part of my feelings toward lulu lemon are not just because of their products but because of some of their staff (which is not neccissarily something that can be pegged on the company)... every time i have walked into a lulu lemon store here (usualy with a friend who is shopping there), I get strange looks from their staff memebers. They look at you with that look that says "ummm these clothes are not for you; you won't fit. I'm not sure why you are here" and to be fair, this is something I have felt in more than just lulu lemon stores... many retail shop that don't sell Plus sizes have employess that will look at you a little strange when you are in there.
I guess I just finder it harder to swallow when it is coming from a retailer that is specifically targeting work out gear.
Am I alone here or are my feelings justified?
I get your post! I dont know why some people have to be *kitten* on here. Right now mine are Danskin pants from WalMart and old shirts that are too big for me to wear in " real" public, lol. They're starting to slip off my shoulders though so I'm going to have to get something not falling off me soon. I think a lot of it IS image. Its only been the last few yrs that theres anything remotely good in plus sizes in ANY stores, so I think work out wear is just following that trend.0 -
Until I clicked on this post out of curiosity, I had no clue what a lululemon was.... Thanks for the info. 0
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Holy crap. I had never heard of Lulu Lemon until this post. I went to the website...seirously?? $82 for pants? Do they come with a dude to help me put them on? Are they magical weight loss pants? OK....I bought mine at walmart for $8. I can write the word lemon on them if I want...0
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Well, because Lululemon is "popular". Alot of people buy lululemon and many other brand names for a reason, to fit in. Imagine not being able to buy clothes at the same places your friends and family do, because your arms/waist/thighs are too big/small whatever. That probably doesn't do much for self esteem.So what if they don't carry plus sizes? Can't you buy clothes at stores that do carry plus sizes? I don't understand this anger towards Lululemon for not selling items that fit you. Men don't get angry that Victoria's Secret only sells women's clothes. Just my thought.0 -
I see skinny/fit people lounging in lulu ALL the time.Another thing is, which is going to sound offensive I'll admit, is most plus size people don't work out (realistically, if they worked out regularly they wouldn't be plus size*). If the brand is trying to portray a fit lifestyle image then designing workout gear for plus sized women is more along the lines of designing lounge wear is looks bad for the brand.
^^^^ Realistically.......This.0 -
I don't shop at high priced athletic stores but I read this post anyways, and I was just wondering why the stores try so much to make workout clothes fashionable high end, high priced clothing...i personally wouldn't want to buy something expensive that are not for fancy events but working out...what about the comfortable cotton top and jogging pants? I don't think fashion should matter this much when someone is working out. There are really good points about the industry trying to change standards, and unfortunately booting out the people who do need the clothes to workout. Maybe it's just me, but I like working out in my cotton t-shirt, sweater and my jogging pants, and really comfortable shoes! I don't really pay attention to what people are wearing when they are breaking a sweat, but i don't know apparently others do..
for the most part, you get what you pay for in workout clothes.
those expensive clothes generally have better moisture wicking (which comes in handy if you workout outside and there are temp changes), there's heat venting in areas when you sweat more, there are extra pockets so you can keep stuff like goo or your phone and keys without having to find another thing to put them in. many also offer sun protection. many also offer added support along certain areas of your body (for instance there are running tops that help your posture, and tights with built in bands that help support your hip and knee joints.
the moisture wicking alone makes up for the price for me because if you're like me and workout daily (sometimes twice daily) you really can't be washing things after every wash. my expensive wicking stuff pass a smell test after 2-3 wears. cotton doesnt do that. also i've found very often i have to wash my cotton stuff more than once to get smells out. the good stuff is 1 wash
plus there are many studies that show that wearing the right gear helps with muscle recovery. i know i feel a huge difference in my DOMS if i work out in any old things vs when i work out with in my expensive stuff. trust me those extra $30 a pay make a huge difference in how i feel the next day.
if someone's self esteem is that easily affected then their issues started much earlier from their families. self esteem is built at home, not a clothing storeWell, because Lululemon is "popular". Alot of people buy lululemon and many other brand names for a reason, to fit in. Imagine not being able to buy clothes at the same places your friends and family do, because your arms/waist/thighs are too big/small whatever. That probably doesn't do much for self esteem.0 -
It's completely insane... here we are, trying to workout while looking fabulous in the gym (the gym for godsakes!) and we can't buy cute workout clothes because LuLuLemon doesn't carry what I would call "normal" sizes. Hello! How do I fit those clothes if I can't work out in them NOW to get down to that other size I want so badly to wear...0
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I am not trying to be mean, but I think you might need to examine your commitment to fitness, since you are claiming that you wish you could wear this clothing for working out, but I couldn't help notice that you joined in February and have only lost one pound in the past 5 months. As a frequent Lulu-wearer, I've lost 19lbs in the last two months alone. It's not fair to insinuate that those of us size 12 and under have it easier and don't work out or work hard to moderate our weight. Its also unfair to complain Lululemon does not create work out clothing in your size, when you so very clearly have no intention of working out any time soon... Just saying.0
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I am not trying to be mean, but I think you might need to examine your commitment to fitness, since you are claiming that you wish you could wear this clothing for working out, but I couldn't help notice that you joined in February and have only lost one pound in the past 5 months. As a frequent Lulu-wearer, I've lost 19lbs in the last two months alone. It's not fair to insinuate that those of us size 12 and under have it easier and don't work out or work hard to moderate our weight. Its also unfair to complain Lululemon does not create work out clothing in your size, when you so very clearly have no intention of working out any time soon... Just saying.
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Different stores/brands cater to different people. Since most clothing is mass produced, it is usually easier to have minor differences in the cuts of the fabrics based on a body type, then produce a line based on what body type that particular line will flatter. This is especially true in designer ready-to-wear.0
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Need to gripe about this for a moment but going to be as fair as I can be in my observations.
Truth (as I see it): Lulu lemon is a company that is not just selling a product but trying to portray a specific lifestyle of health and fitness. (I have even heard that to be employed by them you must meet a certain fitness/health criteria, although that is just hearsay, can't say for sure) and this is okay; this is not a bad thing.
Second truth (as I see it): Spandex is not a BIG girl/guy's friend. I get it. I can be honest with myself. Spandex and tight fitted clothing is not generally the most attractive articles of clothing on a person of larger proportions.
So what's bothering me?
A majority of people (admittedly not all) that shop at lulu lemon and stores like it are not buying this trendy work out gear to go work out; they are buying it to look "fashionable" and "hip".
I, as well as many other overwieght people (like all the people on MFP) want to purchase work out wear not because of a fashion statement but because we genuinely want to get fit! I feel like my true effort to get fit and get healthy and lose weight fits better within the lulu lemon "mission/statement" than those who just want to look fashionable. (Having said that, i have nothing against those who want to purchase this workout wear just for fun and for comfort).
So why is it that their female products only go up to a size 12? Why is that I am unable to buy clothing that is appropriate and specifically suited for working out? Why is being over a size 12 unacceptable to them? (NOT TO MENTION that their male products go up to a size XXL... but that starts a whole other argument about "Society Driven & Accepted gender body images")
I know i can shop anywhere and that I do not need to buy lulu lemon clothing... but to be honest, in general, finding appropriate workout wear in plus sizes is very difficult. At least where I live.
I know I am singling out lulu lemon since MOST producers of work out wear are of the same opinion (No Spandex for fatties lol even though not all work out wear is tight fitting or made of spandex) but I am really put off by a company that is trying to "project an image and lifestyle" of fitness, yet their products are prejudice against those who really want to get fit, who want to better their lives.
Sure slim people work out too, I'm not suggesting otherwise, I just don't understand why it is "unacceptable" for an overweight person to want to purchsae workout wear.
I will also admit that part of my feelings toward lulu lemon are not just because of their products but because of some of their staff (which is not neccissarily something that can be pegged on the company)... every time i have walked into a lulu lemon store here (usualy with a friend who is shopping there), I get strange looks from their staff memebers. They look at you with that look that says "ummm these clothes are not for you; you won't fit. I'm not sure why you are here" and to be fair, this is something I have felt in more than just lulu lemon stores... many retail shop that don't sell Plus sizes have employess that will look at you a little strange when you are in there.
I guess I just finder it harder to swallow when it is coming from a retailer that is specifically targeting work out gear.
Am I alone here or are my feelings justified?
Why should they have to cater to you?
They don't make men's wear yet you don't see guys up in arms about it.0 -
(they do make men's wear)
I actually wrote them an email last week. Telling them about my first trip into the Lululemon store (I left fighting back tears).
I also encouraged them to increase their size range.
They sent me a really lovely response.
I can paste the letter I sent them here if you are interested.0 -
(they do make men's wear)
I actually wrote them an email last week. Telling them about my first trip into the Lululemon store (I left fighting back tears).
I also encouraged them to increase their size range.
They sent me a really lovely response.
I can paste the letter I sent them here if you are interested.
Not really interested.
I still have no idea why everyone thinks every company needs to cater to them specifically.
Not every brand needs to be available to every person. They don't have it in your size? Shop somewhere else.
The new restaurant that opened on the corner isn't vegetarian friendly and you're a veg? Don't eat there.
What's the big deal?0 -
(they do make men's wear)
I actually wrote them an email last week. Telling them about my first trip into the Lululemon store (I left fighting back tears).
I also encouraged them to increase their size range.
They sent me a really lovely response.
I can paste the letter I sent them here if you are interested.
Not really interested.
I still have no idea why everyone thinks every company needs to cater to them specifically.
Not every brand needs to be available to every person. They don't have it in your size? Shop somewhere else.
The new restaurant that opened on the corner isn't vegetarian friendly and you're a veg? Don't eat there.
What's the big deal?
I wasn't asking if you were interested. I was asking the O.P.0 -
(they do make men's wear)
I actually wrote them an email last week. Telling them about my first trip into the Lululemon store (I left fighting back tears).
I also encouraged them to increase their size range.
They sent me a really lovely response.
I can paste the letter I sent them here if you are interested.
Not really interested.
I still have no idea why everyone thinks every company needs to cater to them specifically.
Not every brand needs to be available to every person. They don't have it in your size? Shop somewhere else.
The new restaurant that opened on the corner isn't vegetarian friendly and you're a veg? Don't eat there.
What's the big deal?
I wasn't asking if you were interested. I was asking the O.P.
I doubt anyone is interested in what you sent, but they'd probably like to hear the response.0 -
OP, I don't understand why you characterize their decision on what sizes to carry as "we don't want you fatties wearing our stuff." I doubt it's something so malicious. It seems far more likely that there's just a much smaller market for those larger sizes and they just stock what sells. Just a guess, but I'm betting that women who wear plus-sized clothes are less inclined to buy body-hugging Spandex exercise clothes than those who are thin. The store isn't judging you or trying to exclude you because you're not worthy; they're just trying to keep those profit margins wide.0
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It's just a marketing thing - their niche is really small women which you could say is elitist in some way but hard to know their motivations. I don't wear a size 6 in any of my clothing-I'm a size 4 or smaller but I'm a size 6 there. I'm sure you don't have to be fat to be sized out of their clothes. I would love to see the companies response to your note to them-very curious since there is obviously a huge market for the larger sizes.
Here is what I really think-they market based on scarcity-they deliberately don't produce a lot of their stuff and it sells out really fast so keeping to the smaller sizes is one more way to make people think "Oh I better buy that right up I gotta have it". I only own 1 item of theirs which I will wear for the first time today so I don't even know what I think of their products but I looked for a while before buying this sports bra and I noticed how quick their stuff sells out....
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I have pretty consistently lived in karrimor fitness clothing, for a long long time. I tend to wear men's tops (I like the length, and wear them now even though I can get women's wear in my own size these days), and karrimor capris, most of the time. They're a flattering cut , the line down the side is very slimming, and I am comfy in them. They have a drawstring at the waist, which makes them great when you're losing.
Best of all, they cost s fraction of the prices shops like lulu lemon charge. Winner all round.0 -
OP, I don't understand why you characterize their decision on what sizes to carry as "we don't want you fatties wearing our stuff." I doubt it's something so malicious. It seems far more likely that there's just a much smaller market for those larger sizes and they just stock what sells. Just a guess, but I'm betting that women who wear plus-sized clothes are less inclined to buy body-hugging Spandex exercise clothes than those who are thin. The store isn't judging you or trying to exclude you because you're not worthy; they're just trying to keep those profit margins wide.
Actually, I think this is very much a targeted and deliberate strategy for certain high street brands and fashion houses. That a particular product *only* for a certain category of woman is part of branding strategy - it's a marketing thing. (e.g. 'skinny', 'curvy', 'young', 'sophisticated', 'plus sized' etc etc). These decisions are rarely accidental. They're selling a look, afterall.0 -
I agree, I buy all my work out clothes..and almost all my other clothes at resale stores..I am cheap and green
Except for underthings..My iron maden cost $80 bucks a pop..Enell..I Love that bra!0 -
I see skinny/fit people lounging in lulu ALL the time.Another thing is, which is going to sound offensive I'll admit, is most plus size people don't work out (realistically, if they worked out regularly they wouldn't be plus size*). If the brand is trying to portray a fit lifestyle image then designing workout gear for plus sized women is more along the lines of designing lounge wear is looks bad for the brand.
^^^^ Realistically.......This.
But a skinny/fit person lounging in workout clothes doesn't look the same as an overweight person lounging in workout clothes. Its more about brand image than anything. The only reason everyone who can't fit into lulu gear even wants to wear it is from seeing all the fit people in it. The clothes are comfortable, but they really don't look that unique or special. Nike and adidas make cute workout gear too.0 -
Victoria's Secret doesn't make large bras, but their other company, Lane Bryant does. Are you gonna complain about that too?
Actually I would complain about them as well...Lane Bryant only carry large chest size their cup sizes don't go over DDD. I have to buy my bra's from Europe if I want something cute in my size... I have large cup size more than large around size. I can't buy a bra anywhere in the states if I want a color other than black white or Tan and here I would have to pay $60 for each. Thankfully European stores online understand that some women have large breasts AND still want to have cute things.0 -
I'm going there today and was excited for some new workout gear but now I guess I'll just be happy to find something that fits lol And yes I'm with you in the realm of getting strange looks from store employees. Victoria Secret was my own personal hell when I was in there. La Senza same thing. They look at you like "this store isn't for you fattie." It's got to be one of the worst feelings in the world and it's something people who haven't been overweight will never understand.
Also I don't get why people where workout gear to be trendy. This whole thing of women wearing yoga pants for non yoga is strange.0 -
Victoria's Secret doesn't make large bras, but their other company, Lane Bryant does. Are you gonna complain about that too?
Actually I would complain about them as well...Lane Bryant only carry large chest size their cup sizes don't go over DDD. I have to buy my bra's from Europe if I want something cute in my size... I have large cup size more than large around size. I can't buy a bra anywhere in the states if I want a color other than black white or Tan and here I would have to pay $60 for each. Thankfully European stores online understand that some women have large breasts AND still want to have cute things.
At least you have stores with large sizes. It hard to find a 32c bra as well.0 -
So why is it that their female products only go up to a size 12? Why is that I am unable to buy clothing that is appropriate and specifically suited for working out? Why is being over a size 12 unacceptable to them? (NOT TO MENTION that their male products go up to a size XXL... but that starts a whole other argument about "Society Driven & Accepted gender body images")
Because a size 12 is a very big size in women's perhaps? I know many stores that don't go into plus sizes as well. It's also a whole different thing to cut and make plus sized clothing. After a certain size, the clothing measurements don't go up proportionately so it has to be designed differently for plus sizes.
Another thing is, which is going to sound offensive I'll admit, is most plus size people don't work out (realistically, if they worked out regularly they wouldn't be plus size*). If the brand is trying to portray a fit lifestyle image then designing workout gear for plus sized women is more along the lines of designing lounge wear is looks bad for the brand.
*excluding anyone with certain medical conditions. Just throwing out the mandatory disclaimer.
I notice you often use the 'I don't mean to be offensive' disclaimer, just before making an outrageously generalised statement (or series of statements) about fat people...
Interesting strategy, but perhaps a little transparent, don't you think? (Swap that kitteh for a shark!)0 -
Victoria's Secret doesn't make large bras, but their other company, Lane Bryant does. Are you gonna complain about that too?
Actually I would complain about them as well...Lane Bryant only carry large chest size their cup sizes don't go over DDD. I have to buy my bra's from Europe if I want something cute in my size... I have large cup size more than large around size. I can't buy a bra anywhere in the states if I want a color other than black white or Tan and here I would have to pay $60 for each. Thankfully European stores online understand that some women have large breasts AND still want to have cute things.
Ooh now there's a crazy notion girls with the goods wanting to show them off in nice packaging. I'm a 36F. Good luck finding it anywhere. I can get my band size at La Senza but they only go up to a DD I think. Silly people who think DD is the holy grail of boob sizes THEY COME BIGGER YA KNOW! lol I have yet to buy a bra that fits me. I usually make do with a 40DDD or something and then that doesn't hold me up and well that's the goal of the companies that are probably run by girls with little titties: my girls don't look their best and I don't feel my most confident. It's all a conspiracy! Okay I'm semi kidding but seriously it's frustrating! The store that fitted me to tell me I was a 36F their bras were $130. I don't have that kind of money.0
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