"Eat More To Weigh More"
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Great post. I would bet that if the group was called: eat enough to fuel your body and lose weight (or something similar), no one would freak. I must admit, when I first visited the group it was to see what on earth they could be talking about. Then I realized: oh they are just saying diet sensibly. Okay, I'm on board with that lol. I think it's just the title that freaks people out.I have lost over 100 pounds following EM2WL principles, and countless other people are having great results and getting their lives back from the BONDAGE of low calorie dieting. This is not some weird quackery, it is basic science. Eating more than your BMR, and less than your TDEE (maintenance calories). I tried the low cal thing and it resulted in me losing my hair, energy, and hitting a six month plateau despite eating 1500, 1200, 1000 calories. I am fairly certain that those of you who claim "it didnt work for me" did not give it long enough to really determine if it was "working." Its truly sad to see people think that they have to starve themselves to lose weight....and not only that, but feel the need to ridicule those who are working hard to achieve their fitness goals in a way that is healthy and sustainable.0 -
Everyone keeps mistyping it as "Eat More To Weigh Less." Silly people.
You're welcome for the correction.
Ha ha!
I guess it is down to WHAT you eat. Moving from 3 pies a day to 10 apples a day's gonna make a difference - non? :laugh:0 -
Oh yeah, eating less to weigh less really worked for me. I lost 145 pounds in a year and half at 1200 calories a day.
I also lost: my hair, my friends, my health, and my sanity.0 -
Oh yeah, eating less to weigh less really worked for me. I lost 145 pounds in a year and half at 1200 calories a day.
I also lost: my hair, my friends, my health, and my sanity.
So not worth it!!! Im glad to have my life back, and even though it will take me longer to get to my goal, I know I will get there eventually as long as I continue to work hard, busting my butt in the gym and giving my body what it needs to work hard for me! Besides...muscles are gorgeous!!! Who wants to be skinny?0 -
Oh yeah, eating less to weigh less really worked for me. I lost 145 pounds in a year and half at 1200 calories a day.
I also lost: my hair, my friends, my health, and my sanity.
If you're blaming all those things strictly on the numerical value of your caloric intake, then you're not putting blame where blame is due. For example, what kind of macros/micros were you running? As for friends, again not a diet issue unless you were friends with the wait staff at a restaurant and you stopped going there.0 -
To say that em2wl is foolery and doesnt work is not fair. Especially to those who have tried and proven that it does work. People would rather have a fly by night diet claiming ridiculous results then have something thats real. EM2WL is real and sustainable.
VLCD are up and down, you might lose the weight but soon as you stop eating low calories you gain the weight back. You cant tell me its not true because Ive tried it and the weight came back. Eating more is not simply eating what you want and as much as you want. Its eating your TDEE -15% but above your BMR. I guess now you guys are going to say BMR is a fluke also.
Just because you wont except em2wl doesnt give you the right to slander the concept. Nobody has forced em2wl on any of us. Its a choice. Just like you have chosen to starve your body and lose lean muscle instead of fat, we have chosen to fuel our bodies, workout, change our bodies and lives.
To each their own and there is no need for the trash talk.
I eat more AND weight less and mighty pround of it!:flowerforyou:0 -
I eat more to weigh less! More veggies, more fruits, more whole grains, more lean meats, but WAY less calories. I'm about a 12-1400'er. My well being has improved majorly, so has my attitude, my headaches, my water retention, my blood pressure, my cravings, & my energy. I average around 1300 cals, no rapid weight loss here, about 1.5 lbs per week. I also workout about 4-5 times a week for 30 minutes. My life gets in the way too much to devote my whole day, or even a large portion of it to working out, for those that can do that, I'm sure they can definitely eat more because they burn so much more.0
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Oh yeah, eating less to weigh less really worked for me. I lost 145 pounds in a year and half at 1200 calories a day.
I also lost: my hair, my friends, my health, and my sanity.
If you're blaming all those things strictly on the numerical value of your caloric intake, then you're not putting blame where blame is due. For example, what kind of macros/micros were you running? As for friends, again not a diet issue unless you were friends with the wait staff at a restaurant and you stopped going there.
You keep eating 1200 calories a day, and you'll lose your friends too. Every single waking moment starts revolving around food. I spent 14-16 hours on MFP, reading recipes and planning out meals. Spent 1-2 hours exercising (and never eating those calories back) and guess how much time I was left with for sleep, school, family, and friends?
Where am I now? Recovering from bulimia. I couldn't take exercising so much, so I ate even less to makeup for it -- 500 calories a day. Then everything snapped: I started bingeing, exercised until I couldn't walk, moved on to laxatives, moved on to purging, and gained back 50 pounds in 3 months.
I'm not blaming 'eating less' for my ED, but I am blaming it for my obsession and giving a mental illness the means to come into my life.0 -
Oh yeah, eating less to weigh less really worked for me. I lost 145 pounds in a year and half at 1200 calories a day.
I also lost: my hair, my friends, my health, and my sanity.
If you're blaming all those things strictly on the numerical value of your caloric intake, then you're not putting blame where blame is due. For example, what kind of macros/micros were you running? As for friends, again not a diet issue unless you were friends with the wait staff at a restaurant and you stopped going there.
You keep eating 1200 calories a day, and you'll lose your friends too. Every single waking moment starts revolving around food. I spent 14-16 hours on MFP, reading recipes and planning out meals. Spent 1-2 hours exercising (and never eating those calories back) and guess how much time I was left with for sleep, school, family, and friends?
Where am I now? Recovering from bulimia. I couldn't take exercising so much, so I ate even less to makeup for it -- 500 calories a day. Then everything snapped: I started bingeing, exercised until I couldn't walk, moved on to laxatives, moved on to purging, and gained back 50 pounds in 3 months.
I'm not blaming 'eating less' for my ED, but I am blaming it for my obsession and giving a mental illness the means to come into my life.
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As someone who just turned 18, you had different caloric needs than someone like myself who is almost twice your age. This site wasn't designed for those under 18 for a reason. I'm not going to lose my friend, my hair, or my health eating 1200.
(Of course, age isn't the only factor.)0 -
Oh yeah, eating less to weigh less really worked for me. I lost 145 pounds in a year and half at 1200 calories a day.
I also lost: my hair, my friends, my health, and my sanity.
If you're blaming all those things strictly on the numerical value of your caloric intake, then you're not putting blame where blame is due. For example, what kind of macros/micros were you running? As for friends, again not a diet issue unless you were friends with the wait staff at a restaurant and you stopped going there.
You keep eating 1200 calories a day, and you'll lose your friends too. Every single waking moment starts revolving around food. I spent 14-16 hours on MFP, reading recipes and planning out meals. Spent 1-2 hours exercising (and never eating those calories back) and guess how much time I was left with for sleep, school, family, and friends?
Where am I now? Recovering from bulimia. I couldn't take exercising so much, so I ate even less to makeup for it -- 500 calories a day. Then everything snapped: I started bingeing, exercised until I couldn't walk, moved on to laxatives, moved on to purging, and gained back 50 pounds in 3 months.
I'm not blaming 'eating less' for my ED, but I am blaming it for my obsession and giving a mental illness the means to come into my life.
Exactly.
Not to sound rude, but that is how you individually took a diet to an extreme. Anything to an extreme is bad. It's like saying "I ate a peppermint candy, I liked it, then ate 5000 calories of it a day and got fat. Therefore, peppermint candies are bad cuz they make people obese." Your argument is a logical fallacy.0 -
Oh yeah, eating less to weigh less really worked for me. I lost 145 pounds in a year and half at 1200 calories a day.
I also lost: my hair, my friends, my health, and my sanity.
If you're blaming all those things strictly on the numerical value of your caloric intake, then you're not putting blame where blame is due. For example, what kind of macros/micros were you running? As for friends, again not a diet issue unless you were friends with the wait staff at a restaurant and you stopped going there.
You keep eating 1200 calories a day, and you'll lose your friends too. Every single waking moment starts revolving around food. I spent 14-16 hours on MFP, reading recipes and planning out meals. Spent 1-2 hours exercising (and never eating those calories back) and guess how much time I was left with for sleep, school, family, and friends?
Where am I now? Recovering from bulimia. I couldn't take exercising so much, so I ate even less to makeup for it -- 500 calories a day. Then everything snapped: I started bingeing, exercised until I couldn't walk, moved on to laxatives, moved on to purging, and gained back 50 pounds in 3 months.
I'm not blaming 'eating less' for my ED, but I am blaming it for my obsession and giving a mental illness the means to come into my life.
Exactly.
Not to sound rude, but that is how you individually took a diet to an extreme. Anything to an extreme is bad. It's like saying "I ate a peppermint candy, I liked it, then ate 5000 calories of it a day and got fat. Therefore, peppermint candies are bad cuz they make people obese." Your argument is a logical fallacy.
Oh! I'm soo sorry the last couple of comments you have made haven't been negative or SNARKY at all! Pero te amo:)0 -
Oh yeah, eating less to weigh less really worked for me. I lost 145 pounds in a year and half at 1200 calories a day.
I also lost: my hair, my friends, my health, and my sanity.
If you're blaming all those things strictly on the numerical value of your caloric intake, then you're not putting blame where blame is due. For example, what kind of macros/micros were you running? As for friends, again not a diet issue unless you were friends with the wait staff at a restaurant and you stopped going there.
You keep eating 1200 calories a day, and you'll lose your friends too. Every single waking moment starts revolving around food. I spent 14-16 hours on MFP, reading recipes and planning out meals. Spent 1-2 hours exercising (and never eating those calories back) and guess how much time I was left with for sleep, school, family, and friends?
Where am I now? Recovering from bulimia. I couldn't take exercising so much, so I ate even less to makeup for it -- 500 calories a day. Then everything snapped: I started bingeing, exercised until I couldn't walk, moved on to laxatives, moved on to purging, and gained back 50 pounds in 3 months.
I'm not blaming 'eating less' for my ED, but I am blaming it for my obsession and giving a mental illness the means to come into my life.
Exactly.
Not to sound rude, but that is how you individually took a diet to an extreme. Anything to an extreme is bad. It's like saying "I ate a peppermint candy, I liked it, then ate 5000 calories of it a day and got fat. Therefore, peppermint candies are bad cuz they make people obese." Your argument is a logical fallacy.
Oh! I'm soo sorry the last couple of comments you have made haven't been negative or SNARKY at all! Pero te amo:)
You confuse realism with negativity. If someone says that the world is flat, is it "negative" to correct them and say it is actually spherical? If someone spells your name wrong, is it "negative" to correct them? If someone burns your food, is it "negative" to ask them to cook it correctly? Nope! So don't be hypersensitive as you grasp at straws to try and prove an invalid point.
Now if you want to have an intellectual and calm discussion, I'm game. I, however, don't appreciate baseless negative attacks.0 -
Bump! Eating more makes you fat.0
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When I was sedentary I started eating more off a 1200 diet so I get to eat more nutrients I lost at the same rate as do most people who do it right, I maintain my muscle since I got to eat more protein, I get more nutrients then I did at a lower cal number because I can eat more, and I absorb those nutrients better because I can eat more fat.
I started exercising so now I can eat even more, maintain muscle even better, feel stronger, have less back pain *back problems* and no longer feel tired climbing up stairs
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As for the hair loss comments...It's actually a common side affect of low calorie diets, as is tooth decay. My sister started eating healthy, increased her veg intake but she wasn't getting enough food (1200cals) and she started losing her hair. I've also had a few people on this site tell me that their doctor told them they were losing their hair because they weren't eating enough. There's also plenty of threads on here who have experienced the same things along with the rest of the internet...people eating a lot of healthy foods. I know my friend who was on a low cal diet via doctor instructions and they were constantly pumping him with needles so he could get a little better nutrition. He also constantly felt sick. Me? I didn't feel sick...I told everyone I felt fantastic but if I felt fantastic before I felt like superwoman when I increased my cals.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/572503-why-you-should-eat-more-a-lion-s-tale
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/538381-in-place-of-a-road-map
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/521728-upping-cals-what-to-expect-why-you-need-patience
http://www.justinowings.com/understanding-bodyweight-and-glycogen-de/0 -
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As for the hair loss comments...It's actually a common side affect of low calorie diets, as is tooth decay. My sister started eating healthy, increased her veg intake but she wasn't getting enough food (1200cals) and she started losing her hair. I've also had a few people on this site tell me that their doctor told them they were losing their hair because they weren't eating enough. There's also plenty of threads on here who have experienced the same things along with the rest of the internet...people eating a lot of healthy foods. I know my friend who was on a low cal diet via doctor instructions and they were constantly pumping him with needles so he could get a little better nutrition. He also constantly felt sick. Me? I didn't feel sick...I told everyone I felt fantastic but if I felt fantastic before I felt like superwoman when I increased my cals.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/572503-why-you-should-eat-more-a-lion-s-tale
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/538381-in-place-of-a-road-map
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/521728-upping-cals-what-to-expect-why-you-need-patience
http://www.justinowings.com/understanding-bodyweight-and-glycogen-de/
I never argued the hair loss. =P0 -
Ever wonder why it's so easy to put on weight?
Do you work for weeks to lose a few pounds and a few slip ups later it's all back on and twice as hard to lose?
That muscle you lose from inadequate caloric intake is the reason. With less mucle you will then gain faster, what you gain is fatter and it's also why it's harder to lose than the first time around.
Yup, you can lose weight by eating minimal calories. Fast even.
But you will also lose muscle. More than you would have if you kept your macros where they should be and calories up to an amount that keeps your body happy.
Who wants to fight that battle? I don't. The up & down struggle is exhausting and is what makes so many people give up and give in. They just throw in the towel cause this *kitten* ain't working. some people say they are full on 1200 calories but I believe that for most people that just isn't true. You gained weight in the first place from over eating aka too many calories. I LOVE me some food so I rather eat!
When you eat properly and have enough muscle you train your metab and become a fat burning machine that can indulge more frequently without consequence. Imagine that!
I want to get the strongest, healthiest, fittest me and stay that way for life. I learned this lesson the hard way. MUSCLE & fueling your body properly IS the only way to reach that goal.
Believe it or not.
This was PERFECTLY said!! I'm building a fat burning machine! I've lost all my weight eating 2000+ cals a day. :drinker:
That being said, if people want to suffer on 1200 cals a day, that's their business I guess. It's unnecessary and miserable, but hey, it's your life.0 -
As for the hair loss comments...It's actually a common side affect of low calorie diets, as is tooth decay. My sister started eating healthy, increased her veg intake but she wasn't getting enough food (1200cals) and she started losing her hair. I've also had a few people on this site tell me that their doctor told them they were losing their hair because they weren't eating enough. There's also plenty of threads on here who have experienced the same things along with the rest of the internet...people eating a lot of healthy foods. I know my friend who was on a low cal diet via doctor instructions and they were constantly pumping him with needles so he could get a little better nutrition. He also constantly felt sick. Me? I didn't feel sick...I told everyone I felt fantastic but if I felt fantastic before I felt like superwoman when I increased my cals.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/572503-why-you-should-eat-more-a-lion-s-tale
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/538381-in-place-of-a-road-map
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/521728-upping-cals-what-to-expect-why-you-need-patience
http://www.justinowings.com/understanding-bodyweight-and-glycogen-de/
Correction...The Problem is NUTRIENTS...not CALORIES!
Hair loss is a common symptom of protein deficiency.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/281591-lack-of-protein-hair-loss-in-females/
Tooth decay is a common symptom of calcium deficiency.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/420323-sides-effects-from-a-lack-of-calcium/
It is much better to eat a nutrient rich low calorie diet (made up of real food)...then it is(better) to eat a high calorie diet full of junk!0 -
The general idea is not to eat very low calories. I started eating more and am now maintaining and fluctuating between 1-3 pounds while eating between 2200-2700 when I used to gain weight going over 1600. The idea is not to add on a bunch of calories or eat over what your body burns quickly. It's a slow process of increasing calories. I don't know how much OP tacked on when doing it, but of course your going to gain weight if you start eating a lot more than your burning. Of course, everybody is different but it does work for a lot of people. Because of eating more over time, now my cutting calories are the same number as what my maintenance used to be or even higher.0
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Not arguing with that last part. Healthier food is definitely better, who said it wasn't? It's also fairly impossible to hit all your nutrients in 1200 calories...infact the FDA, Health Canada, and the RDI suggest 2000-2500 cals to get 97-98% of the recommended nutrient intake of a average healthy individual. Then there's the fact it's hard to get enough fat in your diet to absorb those vitamins, and enough protein in your diet on top of that (especially if you're exercising) etc.As for the hair loss comments...It's actually a common side affect of low calorie diets, as is tooth decay. My sister started eating healthy, increased her veg intake but she wasn't getting enough food (1200cals) and she started losing her hair. I've also had a few people on this site tell me that their doctor told them they were losing their hair because they weren't eating enough. There's also plenty of threads on here who have experienced the same things along with the rest of the internet...people eating a lot of healthy foods. I know my friend who was on a low cal diet via doctor instructions and they were constantly pumping him with needles so he could get a little better nutrition. He also constantly felt sick. Me? I didn't feel sick...I told everyone I felt fantastic but if I felt fantastic before I felt like superwoman when I increased my cals.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/572503-why-you-should-eat-more-a-lion-s-tale
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/538381-in-place-of-a-road-map
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/521728-upping-cals-what-to-expect-why-you-need-patience
http://www.justinowings.com/understanding-bodyweight-and-glycogen-de/
Correction...The Problem is NUTRIENTS...not CALORIES!
Hair loss is a common symptom of protein deficiency.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/281591-lack-of-protein-hair-loss-in-females/
Tooth decay is a common symptom of calcium deficiency.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/420323-sides-effects-from-a-lack-of-calcium/
It is much better to eat a nutrient rich low calorie diet (made up of real food)...then it is(better) to eat a high calorie diet full of junk!0 -
It is much better to eat a nutrient rich low calorie diet (made up of real food)...then it is(better) to eat a high calorie diet full of junk!
I agree with that, but a lot of us eat a moderately-high calorie diet made up of real, healthy food, so that's totally different. A diet full of junk is junk whether it's 1000 calories or 5000 calories. It's all about balance and finding what works for you.
I just think it's sad to see people eating 1200 calories and working out like crazy, then complaining because they're exhausted and miserable and NOT losing weight. This DOES happen to people all the time--just check the forums. It's a balance--not too little, not too much. :happy:0 -
i think everyone's bodies are different. personally, eating less works for me...but i dont think there is a definite rule apart from eat+exercise.0
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In to read later as I'm heading out the door. (I especially want to see if anyone has brought up OP's experience with the concept given his entire one month on MFP.)
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Yes thank you! It doesn't make sense biologically and mathematically to say to eat more and weigh less. Look at obese people who eat a whole lot. Look at anorexics who eat nothing.0
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"Eat more to weigh less" is a group here. It's not "eat more then you were fat to weigh less then you did then" it's more of a just eat below your TDEE to lose, you don't need a big gigantic cut. "Eat more then a large deficit that many people are on here to weigh less then you do now"...and usually get there at the same rate is more like it.Yes thank you! It doesn't make sense biologically and mathematically to say to eat more and weigh less. Look at obese people who eat a whole lot. Look at anorexics who eat nothing.0 -
I just think it's sad to see people eating 1200 calories and working out like crazy, then complaining because they're exhausted and miserable and NOT losing weight. This DOES happen to people all the time--just check the forums. It's a balance--not too little, not too much.
And I think that it is sad to see people upping their calories, hugging the couch and then swearing that EM2WL is the holy grail solution to all of their lifetime weight problems. [/quote]
If you want to check something...just notice how often the same people blindly ignore other glaring factors and start right in on preaching the gospel of "up your calories and you will start to lose weight"...(((and heaven forbid if someone were to ever suggest a calorie reduction...that person would get tarred and feathered (bullied) by members of EM2WL)))...again...one size does not fit all!0 -
Everyone keeps mistyping it as "Eat More To Weigh Less." Silly people.
You're welcome for the correction.
well aren't you Mr. Clever. Do you want a pat on the back? Or how about a cookie? Oh, wait. You're about the eat less...to err...weigh less? Have fun with that. Skinny fat here we come. Let's grab some pink dumbbells and do Zumba while we're at it. #winning.0 -
Yes thank you! It doesn't make sense biologically and mathematically to say to eat more and weigh less. Look at obese people who eat a whole lot. Look at anorexics who eat nothing.
I can't even... This comment is the most stupid thing...
Obesity and anorexia are equally unhealthy. (Although, at the moment, I'm leaning toward anorexia as being the more severe and prominently dangerous) The saying 'eat more to weight less' is in relation to people who think that they have to starve themselves in order to lose weight -- whether 'starving' means 500 calories a day or 1200 calories a day. It's eat /more/ than 1000ish and still see progress. Eat /more/ than your BMR and fuel your body. Not eat as much as you like and over your TDEE and still lose weight.
That being said, I've met many anorexics who eat 1500 calories a day. I've met obese people who eat nothing but lettuce. Where's your logic now?0
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