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I totally think support is important... and the support here on this site is great.
I just think there is a difference between coming here for support and looking for other people to do all the mental "work" for you. Some people seem to need to find all motivation from what other people tell them. In my experience, motivation that comes from other people will only last so long. In the end, you have to realize that you need to change for yourself, for no-one else, and that you and only you can make yourself do this and provide the ongoing strength to keep it up. Some people have to hit rock-bottom before they make this realization, others don't.
Success stories and encouragement from others are important, and getting advice on making exercise more interesting or solving problems you run into on your weight-loss journey are great (and certainly make the journey easier). I'm part of a group and we're all cheerleaders for each other, and it's great. BUT... at the end of the day if you can't find the motivation within, chances are you won't be able to make this a life-style change that sticks.
Anyways...that's just my 2 cents. Just wanted to clarify and make sure no-one thought from my earlier posts that I am anti-support or anything like that.0 -
Nicely said, and I agree wholeheartedly.0
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I totally think support is important... and the support here on this site is great.
I just think there is a difference between coming here for support and looking for other people to do all the mental "work" for you. Some people seem to need to find all motivation from what other people tell them. In my experience, motivation that comes from other people will only last so long. In the end, you have to realize that you need to change for yourself, for no-one else, and that you and only you can make yourself do this and provide the ongoing strength to keep it up. Some people have to hit rock-bottom before they make this realization, others don't.
Success stories and encouragement from others are important, and getting advice on making exercise more interesting or solving problems you run into on your weight-loss journey are great (and certainly make the journey easier). I'm part of a group and we're all cheerleaders for each other, and it's great. BUT... at the end of the day if you can't find the motivation within, chances are you won't be able to make this a life-style change that sticks.
Anyways...that's just my 2 cents. Just wanted to clarify and make sure no-one thought from my earlier posts that I am anti-support or anything like that.
i think this part
"BUT... at the end of the day if you can't find the motivation within, chances are you won't be able to make this a life-style change that sticks"
is wrong. why is it wrong? you tell me why it is not wrong. i get where you are coming from and you would like to think that it is all peachy and we all have this great end of the day power within, but we don't. people are sometimes out of control (this is coming from more than a food place) and they don't need people to give up on them. if you are on here to just judge others for needing support, i think that is where the populous of the site has changed.0 -
I completely get where you are all coming from (esp since I'm also a 12 stepper
). I was just afraid this thread might be headed in a direction that might make some feel like they couldn't rely on the boards for support when they've fallen off the wagon.
And of course, if you keep making the same mistakes over and over-- sometimes you do need a good kick in the rear-- just as a good sponsor would.
I do know that we've all been there and we are all at different levels in our weight loss journey. But, after going back and reading everyone's posts again, I think we can all say that we've got a good thing going here on MFP.
And with that... I"m off to bed (if I can get the husbutt to turn off the xbox):yawn:0 -
i think this part
"BUT... at the end of the day if you can't find the motivation within, chances are you won't be able to make this a life-style change that sticks"
is wrong. why is it wrong? you tell me why it is not wrong. i get where you are coming from and you would like to think that it is all peachy and we all have this great end of the day power within, but we don't. people are sometimes out of control (this is coming from more than a food place) and they don't need people to give up on them. if you are on here to just judge others for needing support, i think that is where the populous of the site has changed.
I totally agree that people are out of control sometimes and don't need people to give up on them - as I stated, I do think support is important. But I also believe that if someone is out of control, until they make the decision for themselves that they WANT to change, it's not going to happen. I'm not judging and if someone feels like they need to come here to find motivation, then fine... but really no one can make that decision for anyone else that it is time to eat better and exercise. Someone can get all the motivation they want from other people, but at some point everyone has to look inside and make that decision to change and commit to it before it really becomes a solid part of their life.
It's like the difference between someone saying "I want to lose weight, but I'm overwhelmed...where should I start?" or "Help motivate me to lose weight." If you can't find the desire within yourself, it's going to be an awfully rough road (even rougher than it already is)!
Anyways... I'm not looking for an argument. I just wanted to clarify what I meant.
Hope everyone has a great night and an easy transition back to the "real world" for those who have to return to work after a 4 day weekend!0 -
Sometimes one statement can shake you up and completely change your thinking. You know- a light bulb moment? So you could come on here ready to give up, and one person may say just the right thing, and your mind changes. Or you may come on looking for motivation, and someone says something that sparks it in you. It happens.0
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i think this part
"BUT... at the end of the day if you can't find the motivation within, chances are you won't be able to make this a life-style change that sticks"
is wrong. why is it wrong? you tell me why it is not wrong. i get where you are coming from and you would like to think that it is all peachy and we all have this great end of the day power within, but we don't. people are sometimes out of control (this is coming from more than a food place) and they don't need people to give up on them. if you are on here to just judge others for needing support, i think that is where the populous of the site has changed.
I totally agree that people are out of control sometimes and don't need people to give up on them - as I stated, I do think support is important. But I also believe that if someone is out of control, until they make the decision for themselves that they WANT to change, it's not going to happen. I'm not judging and if someone feels like they need to come here to find motivation, then fine... but really no one can make that decision for anyone else that it is time to eat better and exercise. Someone can get all the motivation they want from other people, but at some point everyone has to look inside and make that decision to change and commit to it before it really becomes a solid part of their life.
It's like the difference between someone saying "I want to lose weight, but I'm overwhelmed...where should I start?" or "Help motivate me to lose weight." If you can't find the desire within yourself, it's going to be an awfully rough road (even rougher than it already is)!
Anyways... I'm not looking for an argument. I just wanted to clarify what I meant.
Hope everyone has a great night and an easy transition back to the "real world" for those who have to return to work after a 4 day weekend!
I'm with you-- I see the difference--
There was a thread once-- "My desk is making me fat." I kid you not. This woman was whining because she had a desk job, and struggled to keep the candy and crap out of her top desk drawer.
Please, people--
I've gleaned tremendous support and encouragement here, but personally what motivates me are the successes of others. I see somebody tell me they ran 4 miles, I think, "Heck, let me try that-- I can do that." That's what got me on this journey to begin with. I saw somebody on TV who lost 150 pounds-- heck if she could, why can't I?
I stopped the excuses that day. I've been in "I can't" or "you don't understand my life, don't judge my lack of control" mode most of my adult life-- it had to end.
I and only I control what goes in my mouth-- and by conquering and owning the enemy, I've been liberated. Because, if I CAN finally control my eating, then I can do anything else I set my mind to.
Last word from me on this-- later, peeps.0 -
Just read through this post. I have to admit I'm not surprised, either by the people who agree with mrsyac2 or who disagree. After over 2 years on here, I've seen the atmosphere of the boards switch a few times. I don't come on as much as I used to, simply because, well, when this site works, you fill your life with other things (especially more exercise :ohwell: ).
I too become discouraged with some of the posts on here, with people saying things like "I just can't do it" or "I need someone to motivate me." That makes me sad, when it's put in the context of long term (we all have days where we aren't motivated, that's not what I'm talking about). But in the long term, these are the people who "think" they want help, but deep down, aren't ready to make a commitment. That isn't a statement meant to degrade or belittle these people, it's just a fact. There are 3 aspects to becoming healthy 1) Desire to become healthy. 2) Knowledge of how to proceed and understanding your body and mind. 3)The physical capabilities to do so.
If any of these 3 aspects are lacking, you will fail. As for number 1, I think most people who've taken the time to register here, already have it, likewise, I feel like number 3 is also something that most people on this site have. It's number 2 IMHO that give people the most problems. By knowledge I mean understanding the concepts correctly of calorie burn, types of calories, exercise routines, breaking habits...etc. By understanding your body and mind I mean understanding how YOU burn calories (everyone is different), and also understanding WHY you became fat in the first place. I don't mean what you ate, I mean what are the underlying mental reasons you allowed yourself to become overweight, find and solve those issues, and you'll probably be able to reverse it. This is where motivation becomes a problem. The desire to lose weight is one thing, the connection between that and knowing that the ONLY way to lose significant weight and become healthy is to eat right and (usually) exercise more. Nobody can make this connection for you, as easy as the concept sounds, many people (overweight or not) have a disconnect with this, whether it be subconcious, or a decision you've made, until you realize that the problem is one of changing your lifestyle, and never EVER going back to eating the way that got you fat, then you'll probably never make a permenant change.
It's a battle, and yes, I do feel that a lot of people on here look for and (dare I say it) expect, the support of others to succeed. Well, I'm not in that camp, in fact if I must be candid, I feel that's just another form of "cheating on your diet". But that's just my opinion, call it judging, fine with me, I judge, I'm not to pious to admit that, probably 99.9% of people do in their head if not out loud, but I try to keep my judgments helpful, maybe not always supportive, but tough love help is still love!
I feel that you should accept support when offered graciously, but do not go looking for it actively out of desperation. If you don't have the tools, then no amount of support will suffice.0 -
Just read through this post. I have to admit I'm not surprised, either by the people who agree with mrsyac2 or who disagree. After over 2 years on here, I've seen the atmosphere of the boards switch a few times. I don't come on as much as I used to, simply because, well, when this site works, you fill your life with other things (especially more exercise :ohwell: ).
I too become discouraged with some of the posts on here, with people saying things like "I just can't do it" or "I need someone to motivate me." That makes me sad, when it's put in the context of long term (we all have days where we aren't motivated, that's not what I'm talking about). But in the long term, these are the people who "think" they want help, but deep down, aren't ready to make a commitment. That isn't a statement meant to degrade or belittle these people, it's just a fact. There are 3 aspects to becoming healthy 1) Desire to become healthy. 2) Knowledge of how to proceed and understanding your body and mind. 3)The physical capabilities to do so.
If any of these 3 aspects are lacking, you will fail. As for number 1, I think most people who've taken the time to register here, already have it, likewise, I feel like number 3 is also something that most people on this site have. It's number 2 IMHO that give people the most problems. By knowledge I mean understanding the concepts correctly of calorie burn, types of calories, exercise routines, breaking habits...etc. By understanding your body and mind I mean understanding how YOU burn calories (everyone is different), and also understanding WHY you became fat in the first place. I don't mean what you ate, I mean what are the underlying mental reasons you allowed yourself to become overweight, find and solve those issues, and you'll probably be able to reverse it. This is where motivation becomes a problem. The desire to lose weight is one thing, the connection between that and knowing that the ONLY way to lose significant weight and become healthy is to eat right and (usually) exercise more. Nobody can make this connection for you, as easy as the concept sounds, many people (overweight or not) have a disconnect with this, whether it be subconcious, or a decision you've made, until you realize that the problem is one of changing your lifestyle, and never EVER going back to eating the way that got you fat, then you'll probably never make a permenant change.
It's a battle, and yes, I do feel that a lot of people on here look for and (dare I say it) expect, the support of others to succeed. Well, I'm not in that camp, in fact if I must be candid, I feel that's just another form of "cheating on your diet". But that's just my opinion, call it judging, fine with me, I judge, I'm not to pious to admit that, probably 99.9% of people do in their head if not out loud, but I try to keep my judgments helpful, maybe not always supportive, but tough love help is still love!
I feel that you should accept support when offered graciously, but do not go looking for it actively out of desperation. If you don't have the tools, then no amount of support will suffice.
Very well said, Banks. :flowerforyou:0 -
Just read through this post. I have to admit I'm not surprised, either by the people who agree with mrsyac2 or who disagree. After over 2 years on here, I've seen the atmosphere of the boards switch a few times. I don't come on as much as I used to, simply because, well, when this site works, you fill your life with other things (especially more exercise :ohwell: ).
I too become discouraged with some of the posts on here, with people saying things like "I just can't do it" or "I need someone to motivate me." That makes me sad, when it's put in the context of long term (we all have days where we aren't motivated, that's not what I'm talking about). But in the long term, these are the people who "think" they want help, but deep down, aren't ready to make a commitment. That isn't a statement meant to degrade or belittle these people, it's just a fact. There are 3 aspects to becoming healthy 1) Desire to become healthy. 2) Knowledge of how to proceed and understanding your body and mind. 3)The physical capabilities to do so.
If any of these 3 aspects are lacking, you will fail. As for number 1, I think most people who've taken the time to register here, already have it, likewise, I feel like number 3 is also something that most people on this site have. It's number 2 IMHO that give people the most problems. By knowledge I mean understanding the concepts correctly of calorie burn, types of calories, exercise routines, breaking habits...etc. By understanding your body and mind I mean understanding how YOU burn calories (everyone is different), and also understanding WHY you became fat in the first place. I don't mean what you ate, I mean what are the underlying mental reasons you allowed yourself to become overweight, find and solve those issues, and you'll probably be able to reverse it. This is where motivation becomes a problem. The desire to lose weight is one thing, the connection between that and knowing that the ONLY way to lose significant weight and become healthy is to eat right and (usually) exercise more. Nobody can make this connection for you, as easy as the concept sounds, many people (overweight or not) have a disconnect with this, whether it be subconcious, or a decision you've made, until you realize that the problem is one of changing your lifestyle, and never EVER going back to eating the way that got you fat, then you'll probably never make a permenant change.
It's a battle, and yes, I do feel that a lot of people on here look for and (dare I say it) expect, the support of others to succeed. Well, I'm not in that camp, in fact if I must be candid, I feel that's just another form of "cheating on your diet". But that's just my opinion, call it judging, fine with me, I judge, I'm not to pious to admit that, probably 99.9% of people do in their head if not out loud, but I try to keep my judgments helpful, maybe not always supportive, but tough love help is still love!
I feel that you should accept support when offered graciously, but do not go looking for it actively out of desperation. If you don't have the tools, then no amount of support will suffice.
your knowledge on health is sound.
however, i disagree with this.
but, i think it is important that people reckon with the climate on here, and notice the changes, because it means that they are not completely oblivious to social issues. however, people do need support. if you are just coming on here to brag about how well you do, that isn't the most encouraging thing either. i personally want to see others that have struggled. to point to another comment on this, have we all not had candy calling to us? seriously! have we not all caved? kudos to the people who come on here to talk about it.
i think its ridiculous that anyone would expect anything from anyone on this board, whether that be support or whatever. but it is just as ridiculous to expect people to be strong and to not want support.
it may not be 'ideal' for all of you, and you might want a sugar coated image of people having an easy route, the motivation all the time to exercise and to never make mistakes, and god forbid they feel bad about it! there is nothing wrong with people coming on here for support. in fact, thats when i liked the boards the most.0 -
your knowledge on health is sound.
however, i disagree with this.
but, i think it is important that people reckon with the climate on here, and notice the changes, because it means that they are not completely oblivious to social issues. however, people do need support. if you are just coming on here to brag about how well you do, that isn't the most encouraging thing either. i personally want to see others that have struggled. to point to another comment on this, have we all not had candy calling to us? seriously! have we not all caved? kudos to the people who come on here to talk about it.
i think its ridiculous that anyone would expect anything from anyone on this board, whether that be support or whatever. but it is just as ridiculous to expect people to be strong and to not want support.
it may not be 'ideal' for all of you, and you might want a sugar coated image of people having an easy route, the motivation all the time to exercise and to never make mistakes, and god forbid they feel bad about it! there is nothing wrong with people coming on here for support. in fact, thats when i liked the boards the most.
You said you disagreed, but then you reinforced many of the things I said in my post.
I.E. I said it's a battle, IOW, it's not easy to become healthy; you agreed
I said you shouldn't expect support on MFP, but people do expect support. You agreed (at least that people shouldn't expect support)
I don't know where the bragging thing comes up, I didn't mention anything like that. Although I do think that people should be allowed to voice their accomplishments on here. Maybe you're talking about another reply, if you are, please specify, because this statement is a little confusing otherwise.
I never mentioned that I expect people to be strong on here. All I mentioned is the causes why people fail (IMHO), I expect people on here to be courteous and respectful, other than that, I have no expectations of this board.
Seeing someones struggles, and watching them triumph is a far different (and great) thing than having someone come on and look for others to justify their failures, which I see on here all the time.
The term misery loves company comes to mind. This is what I don't approve of, One person saying something negative and even defeatist, and others justifying that behavior, saying something like "I understand, its ok." is a far different thing than saying "That's too bad, now get up, dust yourself off, and work harder this time".0 -
i was disagreeing that you mentioned what someone who succeeds at being healthy looks like. i just think that the only thing this board is good for is support.
your knowledge on health is sound.
however, i disagree with this.
but, i think it is important that people reckon with the climate on here, and notice the changes, because it means that they are not completely oblivious to social issues. however, people do need support. if you are just coming on here to brag about how well you do, that isn't the most encouraging thing either. i personally want to see others that have struggled. to point to another comment on this, have we all not had candy calling to us? seriously! have we not all caved? kudos to the people who come on here to talk about it.
i think its ridiculous that anyone would expect anything from anyone on this board, whether that be support or whatever. but it is just as ridiculous to expect people to be strong and to not want support.
it may not be 'ideal' for all of you, and you might want a sugar coated image of people having an easy route, the motivation all the time to exercise and to never make mistakes, and god forbid they feel bad about it! there is nothing wrong with people coming on here for support. in fact, thats when i liked the boards the most.
You said you disagreed, but then you reinforced many of the things I said in my post.
I.E. I said it's a battle, IOW, it's not easy to become healthy; you agreed
I said you shouldn't expect support on MFP, but people do expect support. You agreed (at least that people shouldn't expect support)
I don't know where the bragging thing comes up, I didn't mention anything like that. Although I do think that people should be allowed to voice their accomplishments on here. Maybe you're talking about another reply, if you are, please specify, because this statement is a little confusing otherwise.
I never mentioned that I expect people to be strong on here. All I mentioned is the causes why people fail (IMHO), I expect people on here to be courteous and respectful, other than that, I have no expectations of this board.
Seeing someones struggles, and watching them triumph is a far different (and great) thing than having someone come on and look for others to justify their failures, which I see on here all the time.
The term misery loves company comes to mind. This is what I don't approve of, One person saying something negative and even defeatist, and others justifying that behavior, saying something like "I understand, its ok." is a far different thing than saying "That's too bad, now get up, dust yourself off, and work harder this time".0 -
oh, but, I didn't mention anything about looks on this post. Now I'm confused.i was disagreeing that you mentioned what someone who succeeds at being healthy looks like. i just think that the only thing this board is good for is support.0 -
That isn't a statement meant to degrade or belittle these people, it's just a fact. There are 3 aspects to becoming healthy 1) Desire to become healthy. 2) Knowledge of how to proceed and understanding your body and mind. 3)The physical capabilities to do so.
If any of these 3 aspects are lacking, you will fail.0 -
That isn't a statement meant to degrade or belittle these people, it's just a fact. There are 3 aspects to becoming healthy 1) Desire to become healthy. 2) Knowledge of how to proceed and understanding your body and mind. 3)The physical capabilities to do so.
If any of these 3 aspects are lacking, you will fail.
This isn't referring to physical appearances, but physical abilities-- can you walk, run, et cetera or do you have some physical malady that prevents you from exercising, et cetera.0 -
That isn't a statement meant to degrade or belittle these people, it's just a fact. There are 3 aspects to becoming healthy 1) Desire to become healthy. 2) Knowledge of how to proceed and understanding your body and mind. 3)The physical capabilities to do so.
If any of these 3 aspects are lacking, you will fail.
This isn't referring to physical appearances, but physical abilities-- can you walk, run, et cetera or do you have some physical malady that prevents you from exercising, et cetera.
right, thanks Marla. physical capabilities means, whether they can physically make the changes needed through exercise, also it would refer to not needing to be on a special diet that makes it difficult to eat better (I have no idea what this diet would entail, but I suppose it's possible).0 -
i wasn't talking about aesthetics! i was talking about his perception of what it means to be successful at being healthy.0
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ohhhh-- okay, whoosh (over my head)-- still confused-- :noway:
But that happens a lot-- blonde hair and all-- 0 -
I'm confused too, and I'm not even a blonde!
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I'm sorry, but I have to reply and this may or may not piss some off. I feel like this is turning into a high horse thread.
Some people need support and they should be able to ask for it without being dogged. Why not give them motivation? Why not give them support? I get it... there's no magic formula for quick weight loss. Weight loss is frustrating, especially when you have medical issues and such. People need motivation and support.
If you are not a motivator or supporter... fine. That's cool with me, but I think it's a little rude to call people whiny when they are looking for motivation and support.
I agree %100, that is why I joined here to get support. Not everyone has the finances to go to the gym or get a membership pass to a pool etc. I for one am one of those people. Some people haven't had to excercise their whole lives and at a later age in life, are just starting out.0 -
i wasn't talking about aesthetics! i was talking about his perception of what it means to be successful at being healthy.
I think I understand. Noone can give a distinct model of what it means to be successful at being healthy. Everyone is different therefore it would just be a general description or guide for the average person. This is what most information about health and weightloss are based on because there is no way to take into account the different factors in someones life. Am I anywhere close
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i wasn't talking about aesthetics! i was talking about his perception of what it means to be successful at being healthy.
what? I was talking about having the physical ability needed to lose weight through exercise. I think you're reading something into a place where there is only statements, I make no judgment there on whether people are healthy or not, physical capability means nothing more than having the physical tools needed to lose weight through diet and exercise, there's no perception involved.0 -
I'm confused too, and I'm not even a blonde! :laugh:
I feel better-- :laugh: 0 -
wow - sounds like a heated discussion. I just want to put in my 2 cents and say that at times it does feel like a lot of whining going on. some ppl starting threads up for every single little thing.
Personally, if I want to vent I go to the "confessions thread" and if I have an accomplishment I just go to my regular group or thread to tell my friends about it, that way I don't start a new thread every time I wwanna say something. Perhaps if more people did this, it would be less congested of threads that sound like they are whiny?
I will say that getting things off ur chest helps a lot tho, so I am in no way telling ppl to keep their failures to themselves.
Remember we are all here to help each other. I love how supportive people can be!
Thanks to everyone who ever helped/ supported me in any way.:flowerforyou:0 -
I'm sorry, but I have to reply and this may or may not piss some off. I feel like this is turning into a high horse thread.
Some people need support and they should be able to ask for it without being dogged. Why not give them motivation? Why not give them support? I get it... there's no magic formula for quick weight loss. Weight loss is frustrating, especially when you have medical issues and such. People need motivation and support.
If you are not a motivator or supporter... fine. That's cool with me, but I think it's a little rude to call people whiny when they are looking for motivation and support.
I agree %100, that is why I joined here to get support. Not everyone has the finances to go to the gym or get a membership pass to a pool etc. I for one am one of those people. Some people haven't had to excercise their whole lives and at a later age in life, are just starting out.
You don't need money to workout! Not everyone goes to gyms or swims at a pool-
Thats great that you use the site for support
My post was about what I saw. People post on here all the time venting about eating an entire box of oreos in one sitting on top of regular meals and wonder why they aren't losing weight.
Or
How they weighed this much yesterday got on the scale today and it increased 3lbs and they want to quit because they can't lose weight (no matter how many times you tell people not to weigh everyday or that your body flucuates daily)
So I posted my own Post!
Good Luck to everyone with there journey0 -
i wasn't talking about aesthetics! i was talking about his perception of what it means to be successful at being healthy.
I think I understand. Noone can give a distinct model of what it means to be successful at being healthy. Everyone is different therefore it would just be a general description or guide for the average person. This is what most information about health and weightloss are based on because there is no way to take into account the different factors in someones life. Am I anywhere close
girl?
right on the dot!0 -
Hmmmm how did I miss this one??
Accidently deleted the book I had written, I guess the Good Lord thought it was a bad idea.
I will encourage and hopefully inspire.............even give answers to simple questions..........but I just have enough motivation for ME!:happy:0 -
i wasn't talking about aesthetics! i was talking about his perception of what it means to be successful at being healthy.
I think I understand. Noone can give a distinct model of what it means to be successful at being healthy. Everyone is different therefore it would just be a general description or guide for the average person. This is what most information about health and weightloss are based on because there is no way to take into account the different factors in someones life. Am I anywhere close
girl?
right on the dot!
you're not getting it, I wasn't talking about what it takes to be successful, I was talking about physically being able to perform the activities needed to lose weight.0 -
Some days are great and I am ready to help others...I look at the threads and try to find some that only have one or two replies and respond to those. No matter how repetative it seems I try to post.
Some days are bad...then I read posts to stay motivated.
I am not sure I always have the motivation inside of me. Sometimes I do need others and I am not sure that is a bad thing. Seems to be that is what this site is for...not just the strong but for the weak also. I am sometimes both.
I don't disagree that some things are stupid but I have personally learned so much from others that I don't mind passing that along when I can.
I have been here since January and still feel like a newbie. I am still in student mode.
I am just really grateful for this site...the good, the bad, and the ugly.
BTW...Jeannie, your new pic is gorgeous!0 -
i wasn't talking about aesthetics! i was talking about his perception of what it means to be successful at being healthy.
I think I understand. Noone can give a distinct model of what it means to be successful at being healthy. Everyone is different therefore it would just be a general description or guide for the average person. This is what most information about health and weightloss are based on because there is no way to take into account the different factors in someones life. Am I anywhere close
girl?
right on the dot!
you're not getting it, I wasn't talking about what it takes to be successful, I was talking about physically being able to perform the activities needed to lose weight.
perhaps try pig Latin? 0
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