Tired of all the "real dieters"
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I love this thread. I started out at 1200 and for the first couple of months it worked wonders. Then I started working out... oh boy... I didn't grasp the concept of "Net Calories". It takes awhile for a person to really realize what their body really needs, especially if it has been in the habit of consuming 4000+ calories per day with no exercise for years. Sometimes the best way to learn is through experience... it's unfortunate, but true. Reading topics like this is a good way to get a person's mindset flowing in the right direction.0
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I netted JUST over 500cals today after my workout. Oops. I had vege, meat, even some carbs. Hell I even had some fruit. I had a souvlaki as well.Wow. I must be doing something wrong to be so damn full & then do an hour long workout (yep danced my *kitten* off) and really not need to eat more than my body is telling me to eat.
See that's the thing, why would you want to eat more just because the calories tell you to do so? If you are full, or just not hungry then it's your body telling you that there is no need. Yet here are some people on here saying....stuff what your body says.... you got to eat this amount or you are not a good person.
Way to make ppl feel better for not needing to eat.
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I'm so tired of seeing people on MFP talking about how they are trying really hard to lose weight "HEALTHILY" or they are so tired of yoyo dieting but then you look at their diaries and you see:
A) they're eating 1200 (or fewer) calories and working out intensely
eating rabbit food everyday and then complaining that they can't fit in more than 1200 calories
C) haven't changed their eating habits at all. Still eating copious amounts of food with little to no redeeming qualities
D) they neglect physically activity and complain that they don't like their body after reaching goal (because they've likely lost or failed to maintain LBM throughout the process)
I want to be strong, fit, and healthy. To me this means that YES you can have dessert..fast food..starbucks..whatever your vice is but you have it with moderation. This means that you fuel your body properly and not attempt to starve the weight off.
Most importantly it means that YOU DO NOT "DIET" ...you learn how to make changes that will stick with you for a lifetime. You find activities you love, food that tastes great but isn't detrimental to your progress, and you incorporate treats occasionally. Food is not to be feared and progress is not to be rushed.
i don't know you, but I love you!
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Do hormones play a role? YES, THEY DO. So my suggestion is to seek out the advice of a competent endocrinologist and get yourself some bio-identical HRT. Starving yourself is counterproductive and will set you up for thyroid and a host of other issues.
You can keep your hormone replacements! I would say to stick them where the sun don't shine, but that might be considered rude, so I'll just say, "Each to her own!"0 -
Can relate. I don't call it dieting, mine is changing my life style to include eating better (portion wise) still eat what I have always eaten just smaller, and exercising so I walk 5 days a week and take it easy on the weekends. I used to try & "Diet" but it was like you said, eating rabbit food and killing myself on exercising. I started my life style change in April 2012 and have dropped 43 pounds and feel pretty good about it.0
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I wish some girl who wasn't 23 years old and only has 4 pounds to lose would not be so critical and judgmental of other people.
Do you think that she got that way "by accident" or "due to good genes"? She is ticked off (as I used to be 10 years ago until I got tired of banging my head against the wall for no good reason) because of all the people who are misinformed thinking that what they are doing is a good thing and those who are blatantly fibbing, whether it is the people who YOU KNOW aren't logging accurately due to lack of progress or those who live on 1200 calories a day, are otherwise healthy and who claim to be full.
It's frustrating to see people making the same mistakes and proliferating the same MISinformation over and over and over again.
I am saying that metabolism at 23 is way different than it is at 39 - where I am now - and yes, muscle mass certainly helps with metabolism - but hormones completely screw with what you have always done and known. I have never been overweight (other than when pregnant) and have always generally been able to maintain a sensible weight. I've always excercised and done strength training. But at my age, what I've always done isn't working and that means eating fewer calories than I used to. I assume the older I get, the more true this is going to become. So for a 23-year-old to tell me and anyone else that eating 1200 calories is not enough regardless of where those calories come from is very presumptuous. Even Lou Schuler in NROLFW says that older women should eat fewer calories than a younger woman with the same BMI. So taking a broad brush and saying "eating less than X calories" is ridiculous.
well do what you want. I actually said "eating 1200 calories and exercising intensely" ....big difference. If you want to do it your way then by all means go ahead but don't blame it in your age. That's simply not as drastic of a factor as people make it out to be. Barring a hormonal condition like hypothyroidism or pcos you would maintain on a SLIGHTLY reduced amount as a result I your age.
You know what REALLY sux? As we age, if we don't make it our business (or when lack of health insurance precludes us) to seek out a competent endocrinologist to get bio-identical HRT, we may not gain weight per say. But our fat distribution and BMI changes dramatically slowly, but surely. It SUX! But that doesn't mean that we can't combat these issues. Proper nutrition IMHO is more important than ever before in a woman's life as she ages. Eating less is NOT THE WAY to achieve this paramount goal.0 -
Can relate. I don't call it dieting, mine is changing my life style to include eating better (portion wise) still eat what I have always eaten just smaller, and exercising so I walk 5 days a week and take it easy on the weekends. I used to try & "Diet" but it was like you said, eating rabbit food and killing myself on exercising. I started my life style change in April 2012 and have dropped 43 pounds and feel pretty good about it.
YOU GO ON THE WITH YOUR BAD SELF!!! :flowerforyou:0 -
Personally I think that it was really uncalled for naming your topic "tired of all the 'real dieters'. They are here for the same reasons you are. I'm a 'real dieter' yo yo dieting, trying this product that product of which nothing worked. and I do agree with you that you have to chose a life style which is what I did. 3 months ago I began the Paleo Lifestyle, I avoid processed foods, gluten, wheat products, processed and artifical sugars. I eat healthy meats, eggs, nuts, fresh veggies and fruits. I bake with almond flour, coconut flour and tapioca flour. if you research you can find pasta that is made with almond flour, I use 72% coco in my goodies and pure honey and maple syrup and coconut sugar. I eat 'ice cream' made from just frozen bananas and So delicous brand coconut milk ice cream and ice cream bars so I'm not missing out on anything. As a matter a fact I'm making chocolate chip cookies today
I've come to the conclusion that like vegans, this is a life style for me, i've lost 24 lbs in 3 months I feel wonderful, my asthma is nonexistant, I no longer have aches and pains, I have so much energy to keep up with my 3 and 2 year old, I'm 45 years old.
I am a 'real dieter' but it took me a lot of failure to realize what worked for my body and support no matter what, unwaivering support, even if they are doing it wrong according to you or anyone else, they will come to realize the mistakes but it takes time. My advise if you are 'tired' of them stop reading them and creating drama, 'they' are trying to lose weight and that in itself is right.0 -
I wish some girl who wasn't 23 years old and only has 4 pounds to lose would not be so critical and judgmental of other people.
Do you think that she got that way "by accident" or "due to good genes"? She is ticked off (as I used to be 10 years ago until I got tired of banging my head against the wall for no good reason) because of all the people who are misinformed thinking that what they are doing is a good thing and those who are blatantly fibbing, whether it is the people who YOU KNOW aren't logging accurately due to lack of progress or those who live on 1200 calories a day, are otherwise healthy and who claim to be full.
It's frustrating to see people making the same mistakes and proliferating the same MISinformation over and over and over again.
I am saying that metabolism at 23 is way different than it is at 39 - where I am now - and yes, muscle mass certainly helps with metabolism - but hormones completely screw with what you have always done and known. I have never been overweight (other than when pregnant) and have always generally been able to maintain a sensible weight. I've always excercised and done strength training. But at my age, what I've always done isn't working and that means eating fewer calories than I used to. I assume the older I get, the more true this is going to become. So for a 23-year-old to tell me and anyone else that eating 1200 calories is not enough regardless of where those calories come from is very presumptuous. Even Lou Schuler in NROLFW says that older women should eat fewer calories than a younger woman with the same BMI. So taking a broad brush and saying "eating less than X calories" is ridiculous.
well do what you want. I actually said "eating 1200 calories and exercising intensely" ....big difference. If you want to do it your way then by all means go ahead but don't blame it in your age. That's simply not as drastic of a factor as people make it out to be. Barring a hormonal condition like hypothyroidism or pcos you would maintain on a SLIGHTLY reduced amount as a result I your age.
I remember at your age, I thought the same thing. I remember hearing my moms friends complain about losing and aging, blad, blah. And I thought, they were just lazy and unmotivated. And now, I realize I was wrong.
Bookmark this post and review it in 10 years. I beg you.:drinker:0 -
People are commenting on the fact that 1200 isn't enough... That's the amount that MFP set mine at. I do have a lot of weight to lose... 86lbs. I have been staying within the 1200 and haven't been hungry. Eating healthy foods, cooking, weighing every thing and the biggest change has been portion control.. Wow, It has been a wake up call on some of the foods I had been eating. I have also started a bit of walking...has been a problem since I have very bad knees, but I am taking it slow and going a little further each time. I would like some input on the 1200...
1200 is what MFP set me at also so I worked on making every calorie worth something nutritionaly. In the end I was anemic, (but losing weight) so I changed my settings to lose 1 pound a week, increasing my calorie limit to 1350ish. I also eat at least half my exercise calories back. Some people here hit the gym and burn great big numbers, and don't have sedetary lives, so they can eat lots more. We can learn from what works for everyone else but you will also have to try different things to figure out what works for you.0 -
Why should someone force themselves to eat if they're not hungry? I gained a ton of weight because I was eating for the sake of eating, and continuing long after I was full. I typically eat between 1000-1400 calories now and feel completely satisfied, even with exercising every day. I talked to my doctor about it, asked if I should force myself to eat more and she said that while I should aim to have atleast 1200 calories, a net of 1000 is fine as long as I'm eating sensibly and getting all of the nutrients I need. I take a multi-vitamin to make sure I'm getting everything I need. I feel healthy, I have tons of energy and any blood work I have had done has only confirmed I'm perfectly healthy. I trust my doctor over someone online telling me I NEED to force myself to eat more calories than my body feels like eating. When I've reached my goal weight, I'll increase my caloric intake accordingly.
Just because something did or did not work for you, doesn't mean that, that's what is and isn't right for everyone else.0 -
I'm over this thread and people stepping in and making comments related to things I've already addressed. The title wasn't literal--last time--it was a parody of another thread. anyway--I don't think anything I said was hurtful or judgmental and if it was that wasn't my intent. /thread (at least for me)0
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You know what REALLY sux? As we age, if we don't make it our business (or when lack of health insurance precludes us) to seek out a competent endocrinologist to get bio-identical HRT, we may not gain weight per say. But our fat distribution and BMI changes dramatically slowly, but surely. It SUX! But that doesn't mean that we can't combat these issues. Proper nutrition IMHO is more important than ever before in a woman's life as she ages. Eating less is NOT THE WAY to achieve this paramount goal.
I both agree and disagree. As we get older our metabolism naturally slows. Even more so for women once they hit menopause. And while nutrition is very important, eating less is also important. Whether you exercise more so you can eat the same, or you lower total calories, an older person will need to eat less net calories to maintain weight.0 -
MFP set me at 1200 cals a day. I upped it to 1400, some days 1200 leaves me tired and hungry. But other days I am full at 1200.
But, then again, I am.not complaining about my loss or eating.0 -
I think a lot of people missed the "fake dieters" post......so they aren't going to get it. :flowerforyou:0
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Well I do mostly 1200 cals with a few cheats here and there ,sometimes I up it a little and I work out intensely and I dont consider it a "diet" its my life style and go look at my pictures. It works for me!!!!0
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I would love to see one of you guys post a success story showing what you really eat and do. It would be very inspirational for someone like me whose just starting out. I'm doing my best to not starve myself and eat right and it does make a big difference. I can't imagine going hungry if my body needs it. Either way, would love to see a success story by someone who eats lots and exercises too. :happy:
Okie dokie ! Here goes !
You can also read my blog if you wanna.
But .. I EAT. I fuel my body, I never feel deprived, never feel that I'm on a "DIET". Because . I'm not. I've changed how I eat, how I move - for LIFE. I'm not wiling to do anything to lose FAT (not weight) that I'm not willing to do for life. I've gained and lost , gained and lost since I was 16. I'm done with that.
My eating and exercise has morphed a bit over the past year - always tweaking a bit here and there. What I"m doing now .. and I just posted losses this month (pounds and inches) again after plateauting a bit.
I eat 1700-1900ish calories every day. My average TDEE is 2200ish. Once in a while - maybe once every 2 weeks (no more than 2 weeks) - I have a TDEE day. I eat 2200ish. I take a rest week from deficit eating for a week every couple of months. My workouts, I"ve recently decreased them. I've tweaked for intensity/quality vs. quantity. I primarily lift weights, but also incorporate HIIT cardio with my weights. I work out 3 x per week. Weights and my new HIIT is going to be kettlebells (that is strength and cardio) and heavy bag. Previously, my HIIT was primarily spinning.
In summary, I eat well, I'm satisifed and I move in a way that I love. I'm competitive so my exercise of choice fits me. Strength training does great things for your body - it has been THE difference maker for me. Muscles burn calories. More you have - more calories you need. Muscles make your body LEAN. Muscles make your bones strong/dense. Muscles make you strong.
So .. Eat, Move, LIVE, Enjoy !
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That is right it is a lifestyle. Although I can have have a cookie treat or desert now and then, it is the exception. I am short so my "low cal" every day food is my life and if I want to keep my success I have to eat less I did before I started my weight loss journey, for life.
However, in order to lose weight I did have to eat less than I do now, for two years. Since I had to eat at a calorie defect for two years would that be considered a "diet"? It was sustainable because I did it for two years, it was sustainable because I was still strong at the gym for even the most intense workout days.
I'm like KatieKat, if people see my low cal diet they think I'm "dieting" and I ate even less when I had body fat to lose. I think I will look at KatieKat's pictures. Like me, the proof is in the pudding.0 -
I could not survive on 1200 calories or less, but everyone is different.0
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You are powerless over anyone else's diary but your own. Who made you the diet police? How others eat may bother you, but there is nothing you can do about it. Take the energy that you are spending worrying about what others eat and focus on yourself. I have learned in recovery the only person I have power over is myself. Worrying about how others conduct themselves is none of my business.0
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Some of us are a work in progress.. I started out eating 1200 calories a day and then burning 200-300. I was tired, run down and grouchy all the time. After being here for 50 days I've joined many groups, have met many super healthy and inspiring people and did more research of my own. Even though I am still only eating about 1500 calories average I am working on raising my calories every day! It's not going to just happen over night. I am losing weight slowly and toning at the same time. I am also petite 4'10 105lbs.. So things might be different for someone who is average height. I am working on figuring out what is right for ME. We're not all built the same way. All I can say for my self personally is that I am trying to do what is right.0
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People on here seem to pride themselves on eating as few of calories as possible, while exercising 3 hours a day and somehow that makes them the real deal....How long is that going to be sustainable?! How long until you're yoyo dieting again?? I hate the word "diet"...I do not diet. I choose to live a healthy lifestyle, meaning that this is not temporary for me and I'm not going to make myself miserable for the rest of my life fighting hunger and cravings. FOOD = FUEL, not the enemy. It is completely possible to live healthy, generally eating healthy and taking care of your body while STILL enjoying the foods you love.
I hope these "real dieters" that you speak of realize that they are just setting themselves up for a lifetime battle against food....and a healthy, sustainable lifestyle does NOT have to be that way!
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You know what REALLY sux? As we age, if we don't make it our business (or when lack of health insurance precludes us) to seek out a competent endocrinologist to get bio-identical HRT, we may not gain weight per say. But our fat distribution and BMI changes dramatically slowly, but surely. It SUX! But that doesn't mean that we can't combat these issues. Proper nutrition IMHO is more important than ever before in a woman's life as she ages. Eating less is NOT THE WAY to achieve this paramount goal.
I both agree and disagree. As we get older our metabolism naturally slows. Even more so for women once they hit menopause. And while nutrition is very important, eating less is also important. Whether you exercise more so you can eat the same, or you lower total calories, an older person will need to eat less net calories to maintain weight.
The metabolic slow down is due to loss of muscle mass. Please educate yourself. If you don't lose your muscle mass, then guess what? Your metabolism won't slow. I know way too many real-life examples of women who are much older than me who KNOW this not only because it has been their life's work (educationally and professionally speaking) but because they also walk the walk.0 -
I am saying that metabolism at 23 is way different than it is at 39 - where I am now - and yes, muscle mass certainly helps with metabolism - but hormones completely screw with what you have always done and known. I have never been overweight (other than when pregnant) and have always generally been able to maintain a sensible weight. I've always excercised and done strength training. But at my age, what I've always done isn't working and that means eating fewer calories than I used to. I assume the older I get, the more true this is going to become. So for a 23-year-old to tell me and anyone else that eating 1200 calories is not enough regardless of where those calories come from is very presumptuous. Even Lou Schuler in NROLFW says that older women should eat fewer calories than a younger woman with the same BMI. So taking a broad brush and saying "eating less than X calories" is ridiculous.
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Howdy. Admittedly, I haven't read the entire thread, but I get the gist.
I just posted my experiences - so I will let that stand.
WHAT I do want to take issue with is the statement of AGE.
Every single person is different. Age is just one component. Everyone's BMR / TDEE is diff and AGE is just one component.
I'm 48 years, 11 months. Perimenopausal. I REFUSE to let age, my replaced knee, or my blue eye color be a reason not to GET WITH IT and get it done. I eat and lose at eating on average 1800 calories. Some days I'm 1900ish. Some days 1700ish. My TDEE is 2200. I workout, but not obsessively. When I workout - I work intensely. Quality v. Quantity. For the obesity epidemic to cease - a vital thing that we must do is : we must get out of the mindset that we must lower our calories excessively and workout excessively. Eat Less. Absolutely ! Eat less than what you need to maintain your weight. 10% less is a good start. Move a bit more. Be consistent. Make those changes for life. Slow and Steady. Winning = Losing FAT and keeping it off.0 -
Great post - totally get what you're saying. You can't starve and lose - hunger will always get the best of you.
I am using the tools on this website to help me change my entire plan for eating and get over a HUGE sugar addiction.
Neither goal is easy.
Ironically, MFP gave me a calorie total that resulted in my GAINING weight! and I have 140 lbs to lose
So ... I dropped it down to a total that once was doable ... but no longer seems to be.
So I am tracking my food honestly, undertaking small to mid-sized edits as I can, and doing my best to just be easy on myself as the process unfolds and I learn how to be good to my body and its needs.
I'm one month into this process, and the real tough emotional stuff that I have long used food to bury is certainly coming down.
One thing I know for sure, however: being a kook about food is NOT the answer
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You are powerless over anyone else's diary but your own. Who made you the diet police? How others eat may bother you, but there is nothing you can do about it. Take the energy that you are spending worrying about what others eat and focus on yourself. I have learned in recovery the only person I have power over is myself. Worrying about how others conduct themselves is none of my business.
I am truly sorry that they don't "teach you in recovery" that this is NOT ABOUT CONTROL. It is about passing on useful information (as in education because WE CARE). Knowledge is power. Some of care enough to share. But many of us eventually throw up our hands when our words fall on deaf ears. At this point, if they don't care about themselves, then we also stop caring.
We are well aware that we can lead many horses to the water. But we've ZERO INTEREST in drowning them if they choose to die of thirst.0 -
You know what REALLY sux? As we age, if we don't make it our business (or when lack of health insurance precludes us) to seek out a competent endocrinologist to get bio-identical HRT, we may not gain weight per say. But our fat distribution and BMI changes dramatically slowly, but surely. It SUX! But that doesn't mean that we can't combat these issues. Proper nutrition IMHO is more important than ever before in a woman's life as she ages. Eating less is NOT THE WAY to achieve this paramount goal.
I both agree and disagree. As we get older our metabolism naturally slows. Even more so for women once they hit menopause. And while nutrition is very important, eating less is also important. Whether you exercise more so you can eat the same, or you lower total calories, an older person will need to eat less net calories to maintain weight.
The metabolic slow down is due to loss of muscle mass. Please educate yourself. If you don't lose your muscle mass, then guess what? Your metabolism won't slow. I know way too many real-life examples of women who are much older than me who KNOW this not only because it has been their life's work (educationally and professionally speaking) but because they also walk the walk.
No, it is not solely due to loss of muscle mass. You can combat it by gaining muscle mass, but with the same exact muscle mass your metabolic rate will still slow as you age.0 -
I am saying that metabolism at 23 is way different than it is at 39 - where I am now - and yes, muscle mass certainly helps with metabolism - but hormones completely screw with what you have always done and known. I have never been overweight (other than when pregnant) and have always generally been able to maintain a sensible weight. I've always excercised and done strength training. But at my age, what I've always done isn't working and that means eating fewer calories than I used to. I assume the older I get, the more true this is going to become. So for a 23-year-old to tell me and anyone else that eating 1200 calories is not enough regardless of where those calories come from is very presumptuous. Even Lou Schuler in NROLFW says that older women should eat fewer calories than a younger woman with the same BMI. So taking a broad brush and saying "eating less than X calories" is ridiculous.
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Howdy. Admittedly, I haven't read the entire thread, but I get the gist.
I just posted my experiences - so I will let that stand.
WHAT I do want to take issue with is the statement of AGE.
Every single person is different. Age is just one component. Everyone's BMR / TDEE is diff and AGE is just one component.
I'm 48 years, 11 months. Perimenopausal. I REFUSE to let age, my replaced knee, or my blue eye color be a reason not to GET WITH IT and get it done. I eat and lose at eating on average 1800 calories. Some days I'm 1900ish. Some days 1700ish. My TDEE is 2200. I workout, but not obsessively. When I workout - I work intensely. Quality v. Quantity. For the obesity epidemic to cease - we must get out of the mindset that we must lower our calories excessively and workout excessively. Eat Less. Absolutely ! Eat less than what you need to maintain your weight. 10% less is a good start. Move a bit more. Be consistent. Make those changes for life. Slow and Steady. Winning = Losing FAT and keeping it off.
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Woo hoo!!! I'm in love. LOL
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Do hormones play a role? YES, THEY DO. So my suggestion is to seek out the advice of a competent endocrinologist and get yourself some bio-identical HRT. Starving yourself is counterproductive and will set you up for thyroid and a host of other issues.
You can keep your hormone replacements! I would say to stick them where the sun don't shine, but that might be considered rude, so I'll just say, "Each to her own!"
I also took fertility drugs when I was in my 20's for without them I could never have conceived a single child, let alone given birth to four. So according to you, "I should stick it where the sun don't shine" because my body had hormonal issues that would have precluded conception?
Are you also saying that diabetics should "stick it where the sun don't shine" because one of their vital organs doesn't function properly so they need science in order to have a better quality of life (which = not dying sooner than "nature dictates"?)
What about people with thyroid issues? Should also "stick it where the sun don't shine" because their bodies will malfunction and degenerate more quickly due to systematic disturbances brought on by hormonal imbalance?
What about all the women who take hormonal birth control to avoid unwanted pregnancies?
Look, if YOU don't want to take advantage of the advances that medicine offers us then be my guest. But please educate yourself accordingly before you make rude, asinine comments. Good day to you.0 -
Exactly why I increased my calories to 1400 from 1200.
I came here after losing 18 pounds on WW and a 4 month plateau. Then I discovered weight training. I started focusing on toning and increasing my lean muscle mass. I know I need to eat a little more to do this and I felt that after 2 plus months of weight training, I wasn't making any progress as far as strength goes. From what I have read on the subject, you can't build muscle when you have too high a calorie deficit. Maybe those extra 200 will make all the difference....maybe I need more. I just plan on adjusting slowly to see what works for me. I also hope that a gradual increase will help combat some inevitable regain.
It must be working since I have started losing again since I added weights- 8 pounds. Wooohoooo!!! 6 to go baby:)0
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