Tired of all the "real dieters"

love4fitnesslove4food_wechange

Well id rather eat 1600 calories of nutrient dense food and 200 calories of candy, chips, or enjoy a trip to get ice cream with my love or friends. I'd rather NOT panic or stress when I can't prepare my own food (I understand food allergies but that's not what I'm talking about). So if given the choice I see no reason to choose a high strung plan that allows no flexibility.

christimw

Well id rather eat 1600 calories of nutrient dense food and 200 calories of candy, chips, or enjoy a trip to get ice cream with my love or friends. I'd rather NOT panic or stress when I can't prepare my own food (I understand food allergies but that's not what I'm talking about). So if given the choice I see no reason to choose a high strung plan that allows no flexibility.

i'm not following some high strung plan that allows no flexibility. i can eat ANYTHING i want, there's nothing stopping me. i can find meat and veggies practically anywhere. i can remove buns from burgers and get a side salad if fast food was my only option. eating primal, i haven't yet had the feeling of "omg i can never have <insert item here>". i was craving some garlic bread BAD the other day. to the point i'd go on a murderous rampage to get some. my husband brought me some home, and all i could do was look at it. just seeing it and smelling it turned me off, and i haven't thought about it since. i can eat candy, chips, cookies, or ice cream, but i CHOOSE not to because i know how it's gonna affect me. in fact i did have ice cream last weekend. and boy was it delicious. but the next day, the bloating and pain i had was NOT worth the taste and pleasure of eating it. and i've NEVER had an intolerance to ice cream or gluten or anything. when i restrict myself, i automatically set myself up for failure. i'm not restricting myself at all, i'm just trying to learn to make better choices as to what goes in my body. if that makes sense..lol

love4fitnesslove4food_wechange

Well id rather eat 1600 calories of nutrient dense food and 200 calories of candy, chips, or enjoy a trip to get ice cream with my love or friends. I'd rather NOT panic or stress when I can't prepare my own food (I understand food allergies but that's not what I'm talking about). So if given the choice I see no reason to choose a high strung plan that allows no flexibility.

i'm not following some high strung plan that allows no flexibility. i can eat ANYTHING i want, there's nothing stopping me. i can find meat and veggies practically anywhere. i can remove buns from burgers and get a side salad if fast food was my only option. eating primal, i haven't yet had the feeling of "omg i can never have <insert item here>". i was craving some garlic bread BAD the other day. to the point i'd go on a murderous rampage to get some. my husband brought me some home, and all i could do was look at it. just seeing it and smelling it turned me off, and i haven't thought about it since. i can eat candy, chips, cookies, or ice cream, but i CHOOSE not to because i know how it's gonna affect me. in fact i did have ice cream last weekend. and boy was it delicious. but the next day, the bloating and pain i had was NOT worth the taste and pleasure of eating it. and i've NEVER had an intolerance to ice cream or gluten or anything. when i restrict myself, i automatically set myself up for failure. i'm not restricting myself at all, i'm just trying to learn to make better choices as to what goes in my body. if that makes sense..lol

that does make sense and I think it's great that if you really want something you'll have it. Many people are not that way and they do wind up binging, giving up, or just make themselves utterly unpleasant to be around because they "can't" find anything to eat/don't want to be in an eating situation. A lot of social events involve food and for those who forego the social event because they want to remove temptation or awkwardness I feel that the tradeoff is not worth it.

christimw

that does make sense and I think it's great that if you really want something you'll have it. Many people are not that way and they do wind up binging, giving up, or just make themselves utterly unpleasant to be around because they "can't" find anything to eat/don't want to be in an eating situation. A lot of social events involve food and for those who forego the social event because they want to remove temptation or awkwardness I feel that the tradeoff is not worth it.

yeah i felt awful for "cheating" with the ice cream at first, but then i thought of it this way: i CAN eat ice cream, no one said i COULDN'T, but now that i see how it affects me, do i really WANT to keep eating it? so i decided to take it as a lesson learned. just because i CAN have anything, doesn't mean i SHOULD eat anything. so next time i want something sweet, i'll opt for some berries. i know i'll never be 100% perfect, and it's always going to be a learning process with everything i stick in my mouth. like today. it was crappy. is a drinking a bottle of wine the best decision? no, but i'm doing it anyway! but luckily for me alcohol doesn't give me the feeling ice cream and bread does. :P

BikinimomE

You'll eat popcorn but you won't eat brown rice or oatmeal? I don't understand this.

Do you eat yams?

Also do you judge your success based strictly on the number on the scale or do you also use other means to assess progress?

And finally, how did you change the settings on your food diary to say "first meal" etc as opposed to the default of breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks? I'd wanted to change mine too since I can only consume relatively small meals all day long due to the fact that my stomach is one third smaller than normal.

well, i did cut out popcorn, i just had some last night to help up my calories, but normally no i wouldn't, its part of the no grain thing (corn is a grain, same with rice). i find oatmeal to be one of the most disgusting things on the planet, yams would be the second..lol. i couldn't even choke down one bite of oat meal when i was trying up my milk supply when breastfeeding. never been much of a rice fan either.

i judge my success partly on the scale. alot of it is how i FEEL physically. like this morning, when i woke up, i felt heavier and bloatier (if that's a word..lol). i could physically SEE my stomach was bigger than a few days ago, so i knew i'd gained before i even stepped on the scale (but definitely wasn't expecting to be up FIVE lbs). i can't fit into the pants i could tuesday, my favorite shirt was tighter on me this morning where they other day. i've felt lethargic yesterday and and today (though today could be a result of the popcorn..never again! ugh). and i haven't done anything different except meet my calorie goal.

and i changed it from my home, under settings.

OK I don't believe in ANY diet. I believe in sound meal plans. I also believe in allowing cheat days (about every 7 days or so and I really don't care how anyone wants to label them, it means that you indulge in eat/drink that you don't normally do) so as to stave off feeling deprived and to boost your metabolism. I don't follow any gurus. I don't care for any of them because bottom line is they are trying to sell you something. I've been fat. I've been skinny fat. I've had to deal with eating disorders, body image issues blah, blah, blah and I've been in literally PERFECT physical condition and also an extremely unhealthy 10% bf, skinned tanned, at death's door but dammit, I got a trophy. LOLOL

I understand your frustration. And I also understand perceiving certain foods as being less than palatable. For a few years in my misguided 20's I decided that meat was so disgusting that I would get dry-heaves at the thought of the animals' feet rolling around in the dirt and chickens eating their own poop. Guess what? When I got tired of skinny-fat, yo-yo dieting I got over that.

All I am saying is that whatever it is, it clearly isn't working for you by your own admission. In order to make better food choices you have to first understand the basics of metabolism; how your body breaks down and absorbs different foods and how combining macro nutrients will slow the absorption of all. Stable blood sugar is the goal. This will stave off the highs and lows that are associated with improper eating as well as the carb-dumb state that accompanies Atkins-type diets.

As for the scale being the primary source of gauging success, it is one indicator but it is NOT the most important or even the most accurate and it will often screw a person up. A tape measure and photos, and strength gains during activity are the best indicators of progress. The scale is the LAST one.

You gotta do what works for you. Just tryna help you out.

christimw

You'll eat popcorn but you won't eat brown rice or oatmeal? I don't understand this.

Do you eat yams?

Also do you judge your success based strictly on the number on the scale or do you also use other means to assess progress?

And finally, how did you change the settings on your food diary to say "first meal" etc as opposed to the default of breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks? I'd wanted to change mine too since I can only consume relatively small meals all day long due to the fact that my stomach is one third smaller than normal.

well, i did cut out popcorn, i just had some last night to help up my calories, but normally no i wouldn't, its part of the no grain thing (corn is a grain, same with rice). i find oatmeal to be one of the most disgusting things on the planet, yams would be the second..lol. i couldn't even choke down one bite of oat meal when i was trying up my milk supply when breastfeeding. never been much of a rice fan either.

i judge my success partly on the scale. alot of it is how i FEEL physically. like this morning, when i woke up, i felt heavier and bloatier (if that's a word..lol). i could physically SEE my stomach was bigger than a few days ago, so i knew i'd gained before i even stepped on the scale (but definitely wasn't expecting to be up FIVE lbs). i can't fit into the pants i could tuesday, my favorite shirt was tighter on me this morning where they other day. i've felt lethargic yesterday and and today (though today could be a result of the popcorn..never again! ugh). and i haven't done anything different except meet my calorie goal.

and i changed it from my home, under settings.

OK I don't believe in ANY diet. I believe in sound meal plans. I also believe in allowing cheat days (about every 7 days or so and I really don't care how anyone wants to label them, it means that you indulge in eat/drink that you don't normally do) so as to stave off feeling deprived and to boost your metabolism. I don't follow any gurus. I don't care for any of them because bottom line is they are trying to sell you something. I've been fat. I've been skinny fat. I've had to deal with eating disorders, body image issues blah, blah, blah and I've been in literally PERFECT physical condition and also an extremely unhealthy 10% bf, skinned tanned, at death's door but dammit, I got a trophy. LOLOL

I understand your frustration. And I also understand perceiving certain foods as being less than palatable. For a few years in my misguided 20's I decided that meat was so disgusting that I would get dry-heaves at the thought of the animals' feet rolling around in the dirt and chickens eating their own poop. Guess what? When I got tired of skinny-fat, yo-yo dieting I got over that.

All I am saying is that whatever it is, it clearly isn't working for you by your own admission. In order to make better food choices you have to first understand the basics of metabolism; how your body breaks down and absorbs different foods and how combining macro nutrients will slow the absorption of all. Stable blood sugar is the goal. This will stave off the highs and lows that are associated with improper eating as well as the carb-dumb state that accompanies Atkins-type diets.

As for the scale being the primary source of gauging success, it is one indicator but it is NOT the most important or even the most accurate and it will often screw a person up. A tape measure and photos, and strength gains during activity are the best indicators of progress. The scale is the LAST one.

You gotta do what works for you. Just tryna help you out.

yeah i'm not relying on scales alone. i've taken pics (in my profile), my husband says he can see a HUGE difference. all i can see is "i still freakin look pregnant!". so maybe i look like i'm 4 months instead of 6 months (my sister in laws words). i WANT to SEE this change others see. i feel better, i have tons more energy, but not when stuffing myself to reach 1200 calories. i'm still new to all this, so i don't understand all the macros and bmr or bmp or bmt or tdee or iifym or abcdxyz's or all of this stuff. lol i just know eating meats, veggies, and a little fruit has made me feel super great, and lose weight. when i get to where i want to be, i'll up whatever i need to maintain that.

i actually started walking. i walk to the bus stop twice a day (.8 mi total), then probably a mile or more after supper. my clothes were falling off. then when i started meeting my calorie goal (1200) the weight increased, and once again, i can't button my jeans. i think 1200 is a decent goal for me but not always something i can or need to reach.

BikinimomE

You'll eat popcorn but you won't eat brown rice or oatmeal? I don't understand this.

Do you eat yams?

Also do you judge your success based strictly on the number on the scale or do you also use other means to assess progress?

And finally, how did you change the settings on your food diary to say "first meal" etc as opposed to the default of breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks? I'd wanted to change mine too since I can only consume relatively small meals all day long due to the fact that my stomach is one third smaller than normal.

well, i did cut out popcorn, i just had some last night to help up my calories, but normally no i wouldn't, its part of the no grain thing (corn is a grain, same with rice). i find oatmeal to be one of the most disgusting things on the planet, yams would be the second..lol. i couldn't even choke down one bite of oat meal when i was trying up my milk supply when breastfeeding. never been much of a rice fan either.

i judge my success partly on the scale. alot of it is how i FEEL physically. like this morning, when i woke up, i felt heavier and bloatier (if that's a word..lol). i could physically SEE my stomach was bigger than a few days ago, so i knew i'd gained before i even stepped on the scale (but definitely wasn't expecting to be up FIVE lbs). i can't fit into the pants i could tuesday, my favorite shirt was tighter on me this morning where they other day. i've felt lethargic yesterday and and today (though today could be a result of the popcorn..never again! ugh). and i haven't done anything different except meet my calorie goal.

and i changed it from my home, under settings.

OK I don't believe in ANY diet. I believe in sound meal plans. I also believe in allowing cheat days (about every 7 days or so and I really don't care how anyone wants to label them, it means that you indulge in eat/drink that you don't normally do) so as to stave off feeling deprived and to boost your metabolism. I don't follow any gurus. I don't care for any of them because bottom line is they are trying to sell you something. I've been fat. I've been skinny fat. I've had to deal with eating disorders, body image issues blah, blah, blah and I've been in literally PERFECT physical condition and also an extremely unhealthy 10% bf, skinned tanned, at death's door but dammit, I got a trophy. LOLOL

I understand your frustration. And I also understand perceiving certain foods as being less than palatable. For a few years in my misguided 20's I decided that meat was so disgusting that I would get dry-heaves at the thought of the animals' feet rolling around in the dirt and chickens eating their own poop. Guess what? When I got tired of skinny-fat, yo-yo dieting I got over that.

All I am saying is that whatever it is, it clearly isn't working for you by your own admission. In order to make better food choices you have to first understand the basics of metabolism; how your body breaks down and absorbs different foods and how combining macro nutrients will slow the absorption of all. Stable blood sugar is the goal. This will stave off the highs and lows that are associated with improper eating as well as the carb-dumb state that accompanies Atkins-type diets.

As for the scale being the primary source of gauging success, it is one indicator but it is NOT the most important or even the most accurate and it will often screw a person up. A tape measure and photos, and strength gains during activity are the best indicators of progress. The scale is the LAST one.

You gotta do what works for you. Just tryna help you out.

yeah i'm not relying on scales alone. i've taken pics (in my profile), my husband says he can see a HUGE difference. all i can see is "i still freakin look pregnant!". so maybe i look like i'm 4 months instead of 6 months (my sister in laws words). i WANT to SEE this change others see. i feel better, i have tons more energy, but not when stuffing myself to reach 1200 calories. i'm still new to all this, so i don't understand all the macros and bmr or bmp or bmt or tdee or iifym or abcdxyz's or all of this stuff. lol i just know eating meats, veggies, and a little fruit has made me feel super great, and lose weight. when i get to where i want to be, i'll up whatever i need to maintain that.

i actually started walking. i walk to the bus stop twice a day (.8 mi total), then probably a mile or more after supper. my clothes were falling off. then when i started meeting my calorie goal (1200) the weight increased, and once again, i can't button my jeans. i think 1200 is a decent goal for me but not always something i can or need to reach.

I understand how frustrating it is to wait for that baby-weight to come off. (Did it 4 times myself.) But it's so much more than just excess weight. Your entire bod has gone through a tremendous change both while carrying the baby and then again, after giving birth. IMHO women push themselves too hard to get back to pre-pregnancy shape. It's great to have goals. But you also have to bear in mind that it took 9 months for your body to get to where you were "done" being pregnant. So I don't think that taking 9 months to get back into shape (maybe even better than before baby!) is being slow or not working. IT IS HARD WORK!!

It took me 7 months to get back to where I was before I got pregnant with my first and truth be told I was hooked and sure enough, shortly there after I got into even better shape ...until I got pregnant again. LOL

I won't preach to you. Just bear in mind there is a MOUNTAIN of misinformation out there from people who want to A - sell you something and B - those who are euphoric about the fact that they lost gobs of weight in an unhealthy manner because all they cared about was losing weight. Granted if one is morbidly obese 300 pounds is better than 400 pounds. But I should think that taking that dangerous weight off in an intelligent SAFE fashion would be the goal. Our society "loves to hate fat people". It's sad... http://voices.yahoo.com/why-we-love-hate-fat-people-so-much-6305518.html

Please don't get sucked into any radical diets because they may give you a short term fix (as so many ketogenic type diets do). It never works for more than a short period of time. I used to be a competitive bodybuilder and we DID diet that way to get down to dangerously low levels of fb%. When I think about my last show it hit me hard = I was risking my life for the chance to MAYBE earn a trophy. When I cramped up severely standing on stage, flexed, trying to smile while the moronic MC prattled on about superfluous BS all I could think was, "WTF is wrong with me? Do I have rocks in my head?" I got my trophy and limped off stage, then collapsed. Everyone started shouting, "Give her water!!" ...after I recovered all I could think was, "What if it wasn't my entire glute/hamstring that twisted up like that? What if it was MY HEART?"

Just try and think about the long run. Remember, slow and steady wins the race!

caiconCristi

It took me a lonnnnnng time to realize that a permanent change to a healthy lifestyle was the answer to lifelong change. What may seem obvious to some may just not click for others, even if someone were to tell them the proper way to do things it may not work.

To add to that, this is really the first generation where people are being taught to live a healthy lifestyle. Way back in the 70's we had Mayo Clinic diets, grapefruit diets and cabbage soup diets.... we were told THAT was how to lose weight and live better. Even today you see the SlimFast shakes as meal replacements. Hell, it tells you right on the can that it's the way to get slim fast.

I guess I'm much more tolerant of people because I can relate. Simply living a healthy lifestyle didn't seem to be enough IMO. In order to lose weight I had to eat only celery and drink water and Jazercise 5X a week. I didn't even try many times because I knew I couldn't do it and then when I did try I failed.

At 40 I've finally grasped that I can eat great food, not starve and even have some of my favorite treats. I went to a big party this weekend and had a 3/4 pound Wagyu burger with bacon, egg and cheese and drank a boatload of beer. But the great thing is I know I can do that now, as long as it's very seldom. The other 95% of the time I watch my calories and make sure to work out.

So give those folks you see a break, it may just not have clicked with them yet.

Love this!!!! COMPASSION!!!!

Everybody is at different points in their lives. I don't think life has to be an US against THEM thing. By posting inspiring, motivating, positive things--the "dieter" you hate may be curious as to why you are so happy eating the way you do.
I am a healthy eater now--one who eats a lot and doesn't count calories because I can get in the mind set of trying to diet. And no--dieting has NEVER worked for me. And when I was restricting or doing some stupid *kitten* diet--trust me I wasn't feeling a lot of self love. So I don't think spending alot of time throwing negative attention at "them" helps them or the people doing it. If you love what you are doing --Shout it From the Rooftops!!! and have compassion for the rest of the world. You can be our inspiration!!:)

Sweet_Pea0107

Bumping to finish reading later:)

red_road

ninerbuff

I'm so tired of seeing people on MFP talking about how they are trying really hard to lose weight "HEALTHILY" or they are so tired of yoyo dieting but then you look at their diaries and you see:

A) they're eating 1200 (or fewer) calories and working out intensely

eating rabbit food everyday and then complaining that they can't fit in more than 1200 calories

C) haven't changed their eating habits at all. Still eating copious amounts of food with little to no redeeming qualities

D) they neglect physically activity and complain that they don't like their body after reaching goal (because they've likely lost or failed to maintain LBM throughout the process)

I want to be strong, fit, and healthy. To me this means that YES you can have dessert..fast food..starbucks..whatever your vice is but you have it with moderation. This means that you fuel your body properly and not attempt to starve the weight off.

Most importantly it means that YOU DO NOT "DIET" ...you learn how to make changes that will stick with you for a lifetime. You find activities you love, food that tastes great but isn't detrimental to your progress, and you incorporate treats occasionally. Food is not to be feared and progress is not to be rushed.

Lol, where were you when I was 24?:laugh:

THIS by the way is the correct approach to have a life that is sustainable, happy and healthy.


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Mcgrawhaha

I never quite get the point of posts like this. I understand the concern but not the attitude and not-so-subtle hostility and condescension behind it. Everyone isn't starting at the same place. I joined MFP clueless about just about everything related to fitness but I've learned a lot over time. I assume others do the same.


Also, you're 23. I'm almost twice your age and can tell you it gets tougher with age so maybe you'd want to consider other variables at play aside from just food diaries. :flowerforyou:

this exactly! as we age, it gets harder to shed the weight. i cant believe how hard it is to lose weight ever since i turned 30... i remember in my 20's, it was like, oh, 10 pounds lost, that was simple... now its like... geeez!!! not everyones body works like yours. for you to come on and degrade people for them losing weight thier way, seems really hostile and just plain strange. mfp sets some peoples calorie intake at 1200... you really should consider the fact that 1) your not each persons m.d., and dont know thier situation, health history, body comp, daily activity, etc, and 2) you can only control yourself, not others, so why should you dictate how others choose to lose weight? 1200 calories a day is very sustainable for a deficit, this does not have to be lifelong, because eventually, you will only need to maintain, and then can up to a maintenance level, which should be fairly easy to sustain being that they were eating at 1200 for a period of time... also, you should consider that some use a raw approach to losing weight, and when that is done, it can be somewhat difficult to take in alot of calories... seriously, set out 1200 calories of raw clean foods on your countertop, its quite a bit! hopefully you realize that degrading others and focussing on others is not a good quality in a person, and its best to only worry about things you can control yourself.

love4fitnesslove4food_wechange

This entire thread is now being taken out of context. It was started after someone made a thread saying how they are tired of all the "fake dieters", a post that is now gone. Believe it or not I'm not actually condescending or even attempting to be. I try to be supportive of MOST people and their goals (barring those who unnecessarily restrict their calories to unsustainable levels or those who have unhealthy goal weights) and I think that I'm rather successful most of the time. I'm sorry if you took offense to this post but that was not my intent.

Mcgrawhaha

This entire thread is now being taken out of context. It was started after someone made a thread saying how they are tired of all the "fake dieters", a post that is now gone. Believe it or not I'm not actually condescending or even attempting to be. I try to be supportive of MOST people and their goals (barring those who unnecessarily restrict their calories to unsustainable levels or those who have unhealthy goal weights) and I think that I'm rather successful most of the time. I'm sorry if you took offense to this post but that was not my intent.

i dont think anyone was offended... that would be strange if people were offended by total strangers over the internet... i think its more that we all need to understand that everyones body is different, and what works for one might not work for another... some people are looking for different results, some people have far different activity levels, some people naturally have slower metabolisms and struggle just to lose a pound... i think there are alot of people on this site that have the mentality that, if your not doing it thier way, then your doing it the wrong way. to be honest, there are so many ways to lose weight, different methods, different facts, different myths... and different goals as well... one might be looking for muscle mass, where another is looking for that thin petite frame... some just dont want to be 400 pounds anymore and focus soley on the number... whatever it is, we are all different, and we all have to figure out our bodies and what works. but no, i dont think you offended anyone at all!