I GAVE Up PASTA... should I give up dairy too
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Have you tried spaghetti squash? I am totally addicted to it! I usually go through 2 squash a week by myself. Like you I love pasta and this is a great alternative. Plus 2 cups is only 84 calories!!
LOVE SPAGHETTI SQUASH!!!!!! I too gave up pasta after much experimenting with it I found if I don't eat it I don't miss it and I hate the day after bloat it gives me. Spaghetti squash made this possible for me man I love that stuff!0 -
I've read several studies that say you are incorrect in saying "most are not", and in fact, most are (up to 85%). A lot of people are only mildly affected, and therefore don't recognize that the wheat/gluten is having a negative affect on them...like a slow poisoning.
I thought that 85% stat was the number of undiagnosed cases out of everyone that has Celiacs rather than the population in general. Source please?
I don't have it at my finger tips (I read this about a year ago), but if I come across it again, I'll send it your way.
You don't have that one at your finger tips, but what about one of the others, since there are, in your words, several such studies.
LOL. I'm not here to be your encyclopedia. If you want to read the study for yourself, by all means, google is at your disposal. I told you what I read; feel free to find the studies, evidence or even contradicting evidence yourself if you want to read it in full detail (I'm not writing a term paper here).0 -
No pasta and dairy = a life not worth living.
Amen.0 -
Cheese is loaded with fat. Milk to me is just disgusting now. I used to drink a lot of it, but since being enlightened about the dairy industry I cannot drink it anymore. It's loaded with hormones, antibiotics, pus, and fecal matter. Yes, it is pasteurized, but it is still just disgusting to me. After a human is weaned there is no need or place for milk in their diet. That's what weaning is - transitioning from a milk-based diet to a food-based diet. Cow's milk is only designed to nourish calves until they're able to graze - not humans. The "Got milk?" slogan should be changed to "Got obesity and diabetes?" It has no place in the human diet. Keep reading and learning - you may make a decision on this for reasons greater that giving up dairy as a weight loss tool.
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I gave up pasta a couple of weeks ago. I have been substituting cauliflower and zucchini. I can honestly say I really don't miss it. It's just filler after all. I am now considering the whole dairy option. I don't include a lot of dairy in my diet anyhow.... but I do like cheese. Is this another step I should take and are there things that I can substitute for the inevitable craving?
If you decide to cut out dairy remember it is in tons of places besides the common cheese, milk and yogurt. Donuts, pudding, baked goods, chocolate bars, biscuits, whipped cream, fast food...the list goes on. Are you really willing to give up all those things? Just stopping eat cheese is not giving up dairy. It goes way beyond that.
But honestly unless you can't control yourself or you have an intolerance or your morally against it, there is no reason to give up an entire foood group.0 -
I drank milk until I had my son, then I nursed him, then I went back to work and I had to pump....I felt like a cow strapped to a machine. This made me think they only have milk to feed their young and I am drinking another mammals mammary juice which made me ill. Long story short I can not stomach milk any more. I limit my cheese intake and try not to think about it being curdle mammary juice.
I did not start off my diet with no pasta I tried moderation with it. I found that after eating it I had bloat issues. I would retain a silly amount of water weight after eating just one cup. I discovered spaghetti squash and actually enjoy it more than actual pasta. I even like the flavor better. I do miss the occasional mac n cheese tho.....0 -
I've read several studies that say you are incorrect in saying "most are not", and in fact, most are (up to 85%). A lot of people are only mildly affected, and therefore don't recognize that the wheat/gluten is having a negative affect on them...like a slow poisoning.
I thought that 85% stat was the number of undiagnosed cases out of everyone that has Celiacs rather than the population in general. Source please?
I don't have it at my finger tips (I read this about a year ago), but if I come across it again, I'll send it your way.
You are spouting opinion based on your bias. Back it up or back off. 85% LOL!0 -
I've read several studies that say you are incorrect in saying "most are not", and in fact, most are (up to 85%). A lot of people are only mildly affected, and therefore don't recognize that the wheat/gluten is having a negative affect on them...like a slow poisoning.
I thought that 85% stat was the number of undiagnosed cases out of everyone that has Celiacs rather than the population in general. Source please?
I don't have it at my finger tips (I read this about a year ago), but if I come across it again, I'll send it your way.
You are spouting opinion based on your bias. Back it up or back off. 85% LOL!
LOL. Right, because I'm unwilling to waste my time finding the data for you from a year ago, I'm "spouting opinion based on bias". If you have the time, in regards to disagreeing, please "back it up" by showing us data that says it's not 85%.0 -
I've read several studies that say you are incorrect in saying "most are not", and in fact, most are (up to 85%). A lot of people are only mildly affected, and therefore don't recognize that the wheat/gluten is having a negative affect on them...like a slow poisoning.
I thought that 85% stat was the number of undiagnosed cases out of everyone that has Celiacs rather than the population in general. Source please?
I don't have it at my finger tips (I read this about a year ago), but if I come across it again, I'll send it your way.
You are spouting opinion based on your bias. Back it up or back off. 85% LOL!
LOL. Right, because I'm unwilling to waste my time finding the data for you from a year ago, I'm "spouting opinion based on bias". If you have the time, in regards to disagreeing, please "back it up" by showing us data that says it's not 85%.
You are confused about how it works. You posited the theory saying "I've read several studies that say you are incorrect in saying "most are not", and in fact, most are (up to 85%)." You get to prove it or identify it as merely your opinion. I never made a statement saying studies indicate any number.
Put up or shut up. Simple really. Or admit you don't have the data or are grinding your own agenda. Either way isfine with me.0 -
I've read several studies that say you are incorrect in saying "most are not", and in fact, most are (up to 85%). A lot of people are only mildly affected, and therefore don't recognize that the wheat/gluten is having a negative affect on them...like a slow poisoning.
I thought that 85% stat was the number of undiagnosed cases out of everyone that has Celiacs rather than the population in general. Source please?
I don't have it at my finger tips (I read this about a year ago), but if I come across it again, I'll send it your way.
You are spouting opinion based on your bias. Back it up or back off. 85% LOL!
LOL. Right, because I'm unwilling to waste my time finding the data for you from a year ago, I'm "spouting opinion based on bias". If you have the time, in regards to disagreeing, please "back it up" by showing us data that says it's not 85%.
You are confused about how it works. You posited the theory saying "I've read several studies that say you are incorrect in saying "most are not", and in fact, most are (up to 85%)." You get to prove it or identify it as merely your opinion. I never made a statement saying studies indicate any number.
Put up or shut up. Simple really. Or admit you don't have the data or are grinding your own agenda. Either way isfine with me.
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I'll bite.....
Dr. Fasano, director of the University of Maryland Center for Celiac Research, published the first study looking at the molecular basis for gluten sensitivity and how it differs from celiac disease. He also participated in the research concluding that celiac disease incidence is one in every 133 people.
According to Dr. Fasano, gluten sensitivity potentially affects far more people than celiac disease. He estimates about 6% to 7% of the U.S. population may be gluten-sensitive, meaning some 20 million people in the United States alone could have the condition"
I think this means most don't.0 -
Thanks for your opinion, but many people would disagree with you on this one (perhaps you might find "Wheat Belly" an interesting read). I would argue that my digestive tract is working normally, now that it's not being aggravated by wheat/gluten. I suggest to everyone that is trying to be healthier to give it a shot and see how your body responds.
I have. Made absolutely no difference. Some are sensitive to gluten, most are not.
"Most are not"; please provide data sources showing >50% of people do not have a sensitivity to gluten.
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Looks like someone did it for you. That one study contradicts what I've read. If I cared enough to try to sway you, I'd try to find everything I've read over the past year or so...but I don't. You can take my word for what I've read, or you can disagree; I won't lose sleep over it.0 -
Thanks for your opinion, but many people would disagree with you on this one (perhaps you might find "Wheat Belly" an interesting read). I would argue that my digestive tract is working normally, now that it's not being aggravated by wheat/gluten. I suggest to everyone that is trying to be healthier to give it a shot and see how your body responds.
I have. Made absolutely no difference. Some are sensitive to gluten, most are not.
"Most are not"; please provide data sources showing >50% of people do not have a sensitivity to gluten.
See above.
From the same article
At the moment, these potential percentages of people who may have gluten sensitivity represent pure speculation on the part of these physicians and researchers — the studies simply haven't been done to prove whether they're accurate or far-fetched.0 -
gluten, pasta, sugar, aspartame, beer, water. we're all gonna die.
LIVE LIFE.
edited because I forgot to say "Blah. blah blah blah blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh".0 -
Thanks for your opinion, but many people would disagree with you on this one (perhaps you might find "Wheat Belly" an interesting read). I would argue that my digestive tract is working normally, now that it's not being aggravated by wheat/gluten. I suggest to everyone that is trying to be healthier to give it a shot and see how your body responds.
I have. Made absolutely no difference. Some are sensitive to gluten, most are not.
"Most are not"; please provide data sources showing >50% of people do not have a sensitivity to gluten.
Nice try pal. So in other words, you can't back up what you said. So noted. BTW, It is clear that what I stated above is clearly my opinion based on my anecdotal experience. Way to try to skate on the fact that you made a claim regarding "studies" that you can't back up.0 -
Thanks for your opinion, but many people would disagree with you on this one (perhaps you might find "Wheat Belly" an interesting read). I would argue that my digestive tract is working normally, now that it's not being aggravated by wheat/gluten. I suggest to everyone that is trying to be healthier to give it a shot and see how your body responds.
I have. Made absolutely no difference. Some are sensitive to gluten, most are not.
"Most are not"; please provide data sources showing >50% of people do not have a sensitivity to gluten.
See above.
From the same article
At the moment, these potential percentages of people who may have gluten sensitivity represent pure speculation on the part of these physicians and researchers — the studies simply haven't been done to prove whether they're accurate or far-fetched.
Thank you for an accurate and honest opinion.0 -
Thanks for your opinion, but many people would disagree with you on this one (perhaps you might find "Wheat Belly" an interesting read). I would argue that my digestive tract is working normally, now that it's not being aggravated by wheat/gluten. I suggest to everyone that is trying to be healthier to give it a shot and see how your body responds.
I have. Made absolutely no difference. Some are sensitive to gluten, most are not.
"Most are not"; please provide data sources showing >50% of people do not have a sensitivity to gluten.
*** Addition ***
Looks like someone did it for you. That one study contradicts what I've read. If I cared enough to try to sway you, I'd try to find everything I've read over the past year or so...but I don't. You can take my word for what I've read, or you can disagree; I won't lose sleep over it.
You are some random internet person. Why would I take your word for anything without proof?0 -
gluten, pasta, sugar, aspartame, beer, water. we're all gonna die.
LIVE LIFE.
edited because I forgot to say "Blah. blah blah blah blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh".
I think I'm going to have a side of beer with my cheesy pasta today.0 -
You are some random internet person. Why would I take your word for anything without proof?
Like I said, believe me, don't believe me; I don't really care. I have no motive/reason to lie about what I read and it's of no benefit to me if you believe me and improve your health, or instead argue that I haven't cited my sources appropriately.
Best of luck to you.0 -
You are some random internet person. Why would I take your word for anything without proof?
Like I said, believe me, don't believe me; I don't really care. I have no motive/reason to lie about what I read and it's of no benefit to me if you believe me and improve your health, or instead argue that I haven't cited my sources appropriately.
Best of luck to you.
The argument isn't whether you have cited your sources. The argument is whether you have any proof for the statements you've made regarding 85% of the population having a problem with wheat. The clear answer is you don't. So, you are comfortable making unsubstantiated statements that may or may not be true. And we should all just believe you? No thanks. I'll trust proof and not some stranger on the internet's opinion.0 -
You are some random internet person. Why would I take your word for anything without proof?
Like I said, believe me, don't believe me; I don't really care. I have no motive/reason to lie about what I read and it's of no benefit to me if you believe me and improve your health, or instead argue that I haven't cited my sources appropriately.
Best of luck to you.
The argument isn't whether you have cited your sources. The argument is whether you have any proof for the statements you've made regarding 85% of the population having a problem with wheat. The clear answer is you don't. So, you are comfortable making unsubstantiated statements that may or may not be true. And we should all just believe you? No thanks. I'll trust proof and not some stranger on the internet's opinion.
Do I have proof that I read the articles I'm saying I did, or that they exist? No. I don't have the source in front of me, and I'm unwilling to make the effort to find it in order to convince you (and ultimately improve your health). What I'm comfortable doing, is sharing with the people on the forum the information I have read, even if I don't have a database or list citing everything I've read over the past year to "back it up". You can choose to believe me, or not; and it's always an option to do the searching/investigating yourself...but I'm not going to do it for you.0 -
You are some random internet person. Why would I take your word for anything without proof?
Like I said, believe me, don't believe me; I don't really care. I have no motive/reason to lie about what I read and it's of no benefit to me if you believe me and improve your health, or instead argue that I haven't cited my sources appropriately.
Best of luck to you.
The argument isn't whether you have cited your sources. The argument is whether you have any proof for the statements you've made regarding 85% of the population having a problem with wheat. The clear answer is you don't. So, you are comfortable making unsubstantiated statements that may or may not be true. And we should all just believe you? No thanks. I'll trust proof and not some stranger on the internet's opinion.
Do I have proof that I read the articles I'm saying I did, or that they exist? No. I don't have the source in front of me, and I'm unwilling to make the effort to find it in order to convince you (and ultimately improve your health). What I'm comfortable doing, is sharing with the people on the forum the information I have read, even if I don't have a database or list citing everything I've read over the past year to "back it up". You can choose to believe me, or not; and it's always an option to do the searching/investigating yourself...but I'm not going to do it for you.
Hey, I read an article that says there life on Mars and the people there have 3 eyes. It must be true! So, who knows about what is now articles that started as studies, if you didn't make the whole thing up? You obviously don't get the whole "the person that makes the claim get's to substantiate it" thing. Maybe you shouldn't be making claims about studies that you don't really have and can't really post.
Either that or stop making things up.0 -
i gave up smoking.
won't give up anything else.0 -
I be damn if I give anything I love!
Moderation = Success
Same here.0 -
I be damn if I give anything I love!
Moderation = Success
Same here.
^^^ This. If one's strategy for being fit and healthy starts with "giving up"....that is more than likely where it will end as well. This process shouldn't be about denying yourself the grea things in life. Find the balance. Eat well, burn it hard, be happy.0 -
Jeepers. I decided to type in that 85% part that everyone has been discussing. I found this on a study but I'm not quite sure what the whole thing is talking about. I'm guessing that the number involves people who were within the study experiencing issues related to allergies and wheat who showed some sort of antibody reaction but it's a lot of confusing data. Unfortunately, I'm not a medical researcher so I feel like I need a special dictionary to work through it. This is the quote I found:Antibodies against tTG2 and tTG6 combined can be found in 85% of patients with ataxia who are positive for AGA antibodies [41]. It is unclear at present whether combined detection of anti-tTG2 and anti-tTG6 IgA and IgG without the use of AGA identifies all patients with gluten ataxia.
I'd be happy if someone with the right background could peek and maybe give us a simple explanation. I did an edit/find function to locate the 85% data. It's like halfway down the page.
Here's the link: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/10/130 -
Hey, I read an article that says there life on Mars and the people there have 3 eyes. It must be true! So, who knows about what is now articles that started as studies, if you didn't make the whole thing up? You obviously don't get the whole "the person that makes the claim get's to substantiate it" thing. Maybe you shouldn't be making claims about studies that you don't really have and can't really post.
Either that or stop making things up.
<sigh> OK, lets go with your example, and see if you finally get it.
If you said that you read an article that there is life on Mars, and people there have 3 eyes, then I have two decisions to make:
1) Are you lying about reading the article?
2) Is the article accurate?
My answers would be:
1) I have no reason to believe you are lying, so I would accept that you have read this article.
2) This is against all my previous conventional thinking, so I don't believe the validity of the article.
Therefore I can...
- Ask for the source of the study to review it myself (as you did)
- Look for the article myself
- Look for articles that support this new information
- Look for articles that contradict this information
In my case, I'm saying I read a study that said approximately 85% of people have some level of intolerance to wheat/gluten, many of which don't even know it (this is the comment you are stuck on).
You have asked for the source, and appear to feel I'm lying about reading this study, because I can't produce it for you to review and disagree with (sorry that I haven't kept a running log of everything I've read and the sources over the past year). I feel bad for you though, that your level of trust is so low, that you can't believe a person (even a stranger on the internet) when they say they have read a study. Just because I cannot produce a link for you, does not infer that I am lying; just that I no longer have the link. This doesn't mean I need to remove my "claim" that I read the study.
If I've misunderstood your circular argument, and you are actually only questioning the validity of the study, then I apologize. I no longer have the study at my finger tips to give to you for you to review/question. Just as in all other aspects of health and fitness, you can only be set on the right path, but doing the work is up to you. Since this has become such a significant point of interest in your life at the moment, I would suggest taking it upon yourself to do the work:
- Try to find the study
- Look for articles that support this information I have provided to you
- Look for conventional thinking information that contradicts my statement
Mr. Mmapags, this has already wasted more of my time (and everyone else's) than necessary, so I will withdraw from the thread and leave you to your studying. Best of luck with your health journey.0 -
Yes, give up each food group one at a time until there's nothing left to eat... then you're guaranteed to lose weight!0
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No pasta and dairy = a life not worth living.
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I be damn if I give anything I love!
Moderation = Success0 -
I gave up pasta a couple of weeks ago. I have been substituting cauliflower and zucchini. I can honestly say I really don't miss it. It's just filler after all. I am now considering the whole dairy option. I don't include a lot of dairy in my diet anyhow.... but I do like cheese. Is this another step I should take and are there things that I can substitute for the inevitable craving?
I would give it up. too much fat.....don't want to get fat. Good call on the pasta too......Carbs are totally the problem.....well that and fat.
And protein, I'd just drink water to be safe
Nope. Water has a bunch of chemicals in it. Best to stop drinking that too.0
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