For Those Who Believe in Heaven...
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One thing to remember is the modern bible has been translated edited and messed with.
Not to mention it was written to keep pesents in line.
I mean if murdering non virgins and gays is your bag crack on but remember the bible is based on nothing but stuff people wrote down 100s of years after it happend.
Faith is simply taking something as fact because it seems nice, nothing more it has no special power.
Keep the search for god personal.0 -
Have you read the book "Heaven is for Real"? I would recommend it.0
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You gonna weigh-in, OP?
Nope... As life tends to be, the thread has taken a life of it's own... so enjoy!0 -
I don't believe all my loved ones have gone to heaven and that ones that are in heaven aren't watching over us left on earth. There is no tears and sadness in heaven and if they could see what was going on here...then that wouldn't be the case.0
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Yes, the question of where we are going (after death) leads to discussing origins (where did we come from) and the authority of the bible (because it claims to know).One thing to remember is the modern bible has been translated edited and messed with.
Not to mention it was written to keep pesents in line.
I mean if murdering non virgins and gays is your bag crack on but remember the bible is based on nothing but stuff people wrote down 100s of years after it happend.
Faith is simply taking something as fact because it seems nice, nothing more it has no special power.
Keep the search for god personal.
It was a while before I learned and understood that the bible can be trusted as the authority ( on all topics, for that matter).
Have you read it?
In the area of religion (as well as any other area) there can be liars and hypocrites, and people who generally misrepresent....even in issues of health and fitness!
Josh McDowell and CS Lewis are examples of men who went in to discredit the authority of God's word....and came away believers!
Well, I might express my faith this way:
Ultimately, even though I can see God's word lines up with God's world, it's a personal relationship.....it's the way He works in my life.
If you can completely wrap your mind around God and understand Him completely, you don't have the true God in mind! You have a god in mind that you created.
The real One is too big to fit there.0 -
Amen! Sometimes I think the ones who do not acknowledge our Lord is afraid to because of the lives they are living. Blessings and keep up the great job!!0
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No excuses.You gonna weigh-in, OP?
Nope... As life tends to be, the thread has taken a life of it's own... so enjoy!0 -
Cute pic...lol
Where did the cells and atoms come from?
From the universe. Where did that come from? I have no idea, nor do I need to know, or presume to know. It's the mysteries in life that make things beautiful, and I don't need any explanations to appreciate them :flowerforyou:0 -
No excuses.You gonna weigh-in, OP?
Nope... As life tends to be, the thread has taken a life of it's own... so enjoy!
I would use the excuse that, in this age of folks struggling to read past 140 characters, several failed to look past his/her staunch opinion to see the snark in my post...
But I'll go with this...
In life, there are only two things to worry about—
Either you are well or you are sick.
If you are well, there is nothing to worry about,
But if you are sick, there are only two things to worry about—
Either you will get well or you will die.
If you get well, there is nothing to worry about,
But if you die, there are only two things to worry about—
Either you will go to heaven or hell.
If you go to heaven, there is nothing to worry about.
And if you go to hell, you’ll be so busy shaking hands with all your friends
You won’t have time to worry!0 -
How does one watch from heaven if their eyes are back here on earth, getting eaten by bugs or just plain old rotting.
BTW become an organ donor
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Yes, where did the Universe come from.Cute pic...lol
Where did the cells and atoms come from?
From the universe. Where did that come from? I have no idea, nor do I need to know, or presume to know. It's the mysteries in life that make things beautiful, and I don't need any explanations to appreciate them :flowerforyou:
There's no shame in searching out origins, meaning of life, and heaven/hell.
Those are important questions!0 -
Wow U really need to go to church
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Dont go to church.....learn by looking within yourself and research on your own....church is so misleading and hypoctitical.
totally agree 110% with this!0 -
Wow U really need to go to church
Love it!
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For those who believe in Angels doing God's will and helping through our day to day trials then I personally believe you are sent who may help you the most. They do not watch they do not see they feel when you are in danger, in pain or in need of assistance from god and come to help. They are in a place of peace and love and have no need for our day to day drama. So they are there when we need them the most and it truly matters but only because we asked in our hearts for them to be there.0
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Dont go to church.....learn by looking within yourself and research on your own....church is so misleading and hypoctitical.
What church do you go too? Church is a wonderful place to learn about the Gospel and can really build a connection with Him.
TO ORIGINAL POSTER:
Personally, I don't believe that our loves ones watch over us here on earth because there in heaven, away from human suffering. I actually find this comforting that all my past loved ones are now with troubles, worries, or pain. I also will see them again anyway. A great option for you is to find he right church, with the right pastor! Also, you can message me and we can talk if you want :flowerforyou: 0 -
Conversations often have a mix of the serious and the not serious.
No excuses.You gonna weigh-in, OP?
Nope... As life tends to be, the thread has taken a life of it's own... so enjoy!
I would use the excuse that, in this age of folks struggling to read past 140 characters, several failed to look past his/her staunch opinion to see the snark in my post...
But I'll go with this...
In life, there are only two things to worry about—
Either you are well or you are sick.
If you are well, there is nothing to worry about,
But if you are sick, there are only two things to worry about—
Either you will get well or you will die.
If you get well, there is nothing to worry about,
But if you die, there are only two things to worry about—
Either you will go to heaven or hell.
If you go to heaven, there is nothing to worry about.
And if you go to hell, you’ll be so busy shaking hands with all your friends
You won’t have time to worry!
As you just demonstrated.
And I'm sure your thread title attracted some who read it and wonder about heaven.
I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts about where you believe you will be after death?0 -
I don't think they watch us. They're in heaven, after all. They're with God in a place of no pain or suffering. I just see them worshiping God and experiencing what real love/joy/peace ect. is really like.
I agree with this. I don't know that church would answer all of your questions...depends on what church and what they teach. I think the Bible teaches what we need to know about Heaven. 0 -
Yes, the question of where we are going (after death) leads to discussing origins (where did we come from) and the authority of the bible (because it claims to know).One thing to remember is the modern bible has been translated edited and messed with.
Not to mention it was written to keep pesents in line.
I mean if murdering non virgins and gays is your bag crack on but remember the bible is based on nothing but stuff people wrote down 100s of years after it happend.
Faith is simply taking something as fact because it seems nice, nothing more it has no special power.
Keep the search for god personal.
It was a while before I learned and understood that the bible can be trusted as the authority ( on all topics, for that matter).
Have you read it?
In the area of religion (as well as any other area) there can be liars and hypocrites, and people who generally misrepresent....even in issues of health and fitness!
Josh McDowell and CS Lewis are examples of men who went in to discredit the authority of God's word....and came away believers!
Well, I might express my faith this way:
Ultimately, even though I can see God's word lines up with God's world, it's a personal relationship.....it's the way He works in my life.
If you can completely wrap your mind around God and understand Him completely, you don't have the true God in mind! You have a god in mind that you created.
The real One is too big to fit there.
Ive dabbled lol
I think any person who has a brain can understand the bible is just a tool of fear and control.
Any person who lives a good life based on the fear of hell and not by there own morals is no better than an animal begging for a treat.
If god exists and turns out to be the petty child he comes across as in the bible murdering his followers just to prove a point ect it really is a sad world we live in.
Just a point for op have you ever considerd enternal life? I get bored, Think forever what would you do0 -
I really hate to state the obvious... 'cause, you know, how much fun is that? But I'll bite...
Has anyone considered that my question really had nothing to do with Heaven (or whatever you choose to believe)
or Hell (again, whatever you choose to believe, if at all),
but if the afterlife has cable?0 -
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Hell is real place, and there is reason to fear it!
Yes, the question of where we are going (after death) leads to discussing origins (where did we come from) and the authority of the bible (because it claims to know).One thing to remember is the modern bible has been translated edited and messed with.
Not to mention it was written to keep pesents in line.
I mean if murdering non virgins and gays is your bag crack on but remember the bible is based on nothing but stuff people wrote down 100s of years after it happend.
Faith is simply taking something as fact because it seems nice, nothing more it has no special power.
Keep the search for god personal.
It was a while before I learned and understood that the bible can be trusted as the authority ( on all topics, for that matter).
Have you read it?
In the area of religion (as well as any other area) there can be liars and hypocrites, and people who generally misrepresent....even in issues of health and fitness!
Josh McDowell and CS Lewis are examples of men who went in to discredit the authority of God's word....and came away believers!
Well, I might express my faith this way:
Ultimately, even though I can see God's word lines up with God's world, it's a personal relationship.....it's the way He works in my life.
If you can completely wrap your mind around God and understand Him completely, you don't have the true God in mind! You have a god in mind that you created.
The real One is too big to fit there.
Ive dabbled lol
I think any person who has a brain can understand the bible is just a tool of fear and control.
Any person who lives a good life based on the fear of hell and not by there own morals is no better than an animal begging for a treat.
If god exists and turns out to be the petty child he comes across as in the bible murdering his followers just to prove a point ect it really is a sad world we live in.
Just a point for op have you ever considerd enternal life? I get bored, Think forever what would you do
Boredom is not the worst thing about hell, nor does it exist in heaven.
If you set your own moral standards, and then you feel/or get offended by someone else who has violated your standards, then now you are the one setting the standards.
And I would like to say that you are not GOD. Just my point is that you don't have the authority to set those standards.
But He does.
His word says He created us separately from the animals, in His image. The animals He created, and they were alive and living their lives. But man He created with His own hands from the dust (which He also created), and breathed life into him, and he became a living being. We are different from animals.
And you are falsely accusing Him, which is how He was crucified to begin with.
He died on the cross. BUT he OVERCAME death, resurrected by His own power, and is with the Father in heaven.
Which is where He wants to take each and every person.
So He is all-powerful, has all authority, and has PRESEVED His word and you can read it!0 -
LOLI really hate to state the obvious... 'cause, you know, how much fun is that? But I'll bite...
Has anyone considered that my question really had nothing to do with Heaven (or whatever you choose to believe)
or Hell (again, whatever you choose to believe, if at all),
but if the afterlife has cable?
Well, that's still going to give you afterlife discussions, and all the related topics. And you can still weigh-in....
Have fun!0 -
Hell is real place, and there is reason to fear it!
Yes, the question of where we are going (after death) leads to discussing origins (where did we come from) and the authority of the bible (because it claims to know).One thing to remember is the modern bible has been translated edited and messed with.
Not to mention it was written to keep pesents in line.
I mean if murdering non virgins and gays is your bag crack on but remember the bible is based on nothing but stuff people wrote down 100s of years after it happend.
Faith is simply taking something as fact because it seems nice, nothing more it has no special power.
Keep the search for god personal.
It was a while before I learned and understood that the bible can be trusted as the authority ( on all topics, for that matter).
Have you read it?
In the area of religion (as well as any other area) there can be liars and hypocrites, and people who generally misrepresent....even in issues of health and fitness!
Josh McDowell and CS Lewis are examples of men who went in to discredit the authority of God's word....and came away believers!
Well, I might express my faith this way:
Ultimately, even though I can see God's word lines up with God's world, it's a personal relationship.....it's the way He works in my life.
If you can completely wrap your mind around God and understand Him completely, you don't have the true God in mind! You have a god in mind that you created.
The real One is too big to fit there.
Ive dabbled lol
I think any person who has a brain can understand the bible is just a tool of fear and control.
Any person who lives a good life based on the fear of hell and not by there own morals is no better than an animal begging for a treat.
If god exists and turns out to be the petty child he comes across as in the bible murdering his followers just to prove a point ect it really is a sad world we live in.
Just a point for op have you ever considerd enternal life? I get bored, Think forever what would you do
Boredom is not the worst thing about hell, nor does it exist in heaven.
If you set your own moral standards, and then you feel/or get offended by someone else who has violated your standards, then now you are the one setting the standards.
And I would like to say that you are not GOD. Just my point is that you don't have the authority to set those standards.
But He does.
His word says He created us separately from the animals, in His image. The animals He created, and they were alive and living their lives. But man He created with His own hands from the dust (which He also created), and breathed life into him, and he became a living being. We are different from animals.
And you are falsely accusing Him, which is how He was crucified to begin with.
He died on the cross. BUT he OVERCAME death, resurrected by His own power, and is with the Father in heaven.
Which is where He wants to take each and every person.
So He is all-powerful, has all authority, and has PRESEVED His word and you can read it!
^^ I completely agree with her. I couldn't put it better. You need to respect other people views and not go falsely accusing the Lord Almighty. Is it because you might be scared that there is a high power then yourself? Because it is awe inspiring and it is wonderful that there is someone who is so good and so merciful. You maybe should read more of the Bible, reflect, and then come back. (P.S be more respectful of others)0 -
I'm not touching this one :laugh:0
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Hell is real place, and there is reason to fear it!
Yes, the question of where we are going (after death) leads to discussing origins (where did we come from) and the authority of the bible (because it claims to know).One thing to remember is the modern bible has been translated edited and messed with.
Not to mention it was written to keep pesents in line.
I mean if murdering non virgins and gays is your bag crack on but remember the bible is based on nothing but stuff people wrote down 100s of years after it happend.
Faith is simply taking something as fact because it seems nice, nothing more it has no special power.
Keep the search for god personal.
It was a while before I learned and understood that the bible can be trusted as the authority ( on all topics, for that matter).
Have you read it?
In the area of religion (as well as any other area) there can be liars and hypocrites, and people who generally misrepresent....even in issues of health and fitness!
Josh McDowell and CS Lewis are examples of men who went in to discredit the authority of God's word....and came away believers!
Well, I might express my faith this way:
Ultimately, even though I can see God's word lines up with God's world, it's a personal relationship.....it's the way He works in my life.
If you can completely wrap your mind around God and understand Him completely, you don't have the true God in mind! You have a god in mind that you created.
The real One is too big to fit there.
Ive dabbled lol
I think any person who has a brain can understand the bible is just a tool of fear and control.
Any person who lives a good life based on the fear of hell and not by there own morals is no better than an animal begging for a treat.
If god exists and turns out to be the petty child he comes across as in the bible murdering his followers just to prove a point ect it really is a sad world we live in.
Just a point for op have you ever considerd enternal life? I get bored, Think forever what would you do
Boredom is not the worst thing about hell, nor does it exist in heaven.
If you set your own moral standards, and then you feel/or get offended by someone else who has violated your standards, then now you are the one setting the standards.
And I would like to say that you are not GOD. Just my point is that you don't have the authority to set those standards.
But He does.
His word says He created us separately from the animals, in His image. The animals He created, and they were alive and living their lives. But man He created with His own hands from the dust (which He also created), and breathed life into him, and he became a living being. We are different from animals.
And you are falsely accusing Him, which is how He was crucified to begin with.
He died on the cross. BUT he OVERCAME death, resurrected by His own power, and is with the Father in heaven.
Which is where He wants to take each and every person.
So He is all-powerful, has all authority, and has PRESEVED His word and you can read it!
^^ I completely agree with her. I couldn't put it better. You need to respect other people views and not go falsely accusing the Lord Almighty. Is it because you might be scared that there is a high power then yourself? Because it is awe inspiring and it is wonderful that there is someone who is so good and so merciful. You maybe should read more of the Bible, reflect, and then come back. (P.S be more respectful of others)
I find it hard to trust any god who says a man must pay a fine to the father of a rapew victim then marry her.
Or any non virgin bride should be stoned
or that wonderful little story about the fella that sent his 2 daughters out to get raped by an angry mob
Or when adam and eve ate the apple before god created any concept of right and wrong.
Or the rape he allows in the catholic church
He sounds real devine lol0 -
once, about a year after my grammy died, i could smell her perfume. I was having a bad time, and "smelling" her perfume made me feel as if she was with me.. made me feel comforted...
Looking back, idk if she was "there" or not, but it got me through it.. so who cares?? Whatever you believe, if it helps you.. so be it!
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There is so much more to the Bible than just the Old Testament. There is also the New Testament. I think it's too bad when people get fixated on certain things taken out of the Old Testament without studying and reading the whole Bible. I don't understand everything that happened in the Bible either but I do know that God sent His only Son to die on a cross for me. Jesus, who never sinned, left Heaven to come into this world and died an agonizing death as payment for my sins so if I give my life to Him I can end up in Heaven with Him. Trying to live by His rules is a small price for me to pay for what He did for me.
I'm sure I'll get plenty of ridicule for my post but I don't care. I'm secure in the knowledge of where I will spend eternity and who I'll spend it with. I just wish everyone had that same assurance.0 -
All great questions.
Hell is real place, and there is reason to fear it!
Yes, the question of where we are going (after death) leads to discussing origins (where did we come from) and the authority of the bible (because it claims to know).One thing to remember is the modern bible has been translated edited and messed with.
Not to mention it was written to keep pesents in line.
I mean if murdering non virgins and gays is your bag crack on but remember the bible is based on nothing but stuff people wrote down 100s of years after it happend.
Faith is simply taking something as fact because it seems nice, nothing more it has no special power.
Keep the search for god personal.
It was a while before I learned and understood that the bible can be trusted as the authority ( on all topics, for that matter).
Have you read it?
In the area of religion (as well as any other area) there can be liars and hypocrites, and people who generally misrepresent....even in issues of health and fitness!
Josh McDowell and CS Lewis are examples of men who went in to discredit the authority of God's word....and came away believers!
Well, I might express my faith this way:
Ultimately, even though I can see God's word lines up with God's world, it's a personal relationship.....it's the way He works in my life.
If you can completely wrap your mind around God and understand Him completely, you don't have the true God in mind! You have a god in mind that you created.
The real One is too big to fit there.
Ive dabbled lol
I think any person who has a brain can understand the bible is just a tool of fear and control.
Any person who lives a good life based on the fear of hell and not by there own morals is no better than an animal begging for a treat.
If god exists and turns out to be the petty child he comes across as in the bible murdering his followers just to prove a point ect it really is a sad world we live in.
Just a point for op have you ever considerd enternal life? I get bored, Think forever what would you do
Boredom is not the worst thing about hell, nor does it exist in heaven.
If you set your own moral standards, and then you feel/or get offended by someone else who has violated your standards, then now you are the one setting the standards.
And I would like to say that you are not GOD. Just my point is that you don't have the authority to set those standards.
But He does.
His word says He created us separately from the animals, in His image. The animals He created, and they were alive and living their lives. But man He created with His own hands from the dust (which He also created), and breathed life into him, and he became a living being. We are different from animals.
And you are falsely accusing Him, which is how He was crucified to begin with.
He died on the cross. BUT he OVERCAME death, resurrected by His own power, and is with the Father in heaven.
Which is where He wants to take each and every person.
So He is all-powerful, has all authority, and has PRESEVED His word and you can read it!
^^ I completely agree with her. I couldn't put it better. You need to respect other people views and not go falsely accusing the Lord Almighty. Is it because you might be scared that there is a high power then yourself? Because it is awe inspiring and it is wonderful that there is someone who is so good and so merciful. You maybe should read more of the Bible, reflect, and then come back. (P.S be more respectful of others)
I find it hard to trust any god who says a man must pay a fine to the father of a rapew victim then marry her.
Or any non virgin bride should be stoned
or that wonderful little story about the fella that sent his 2 daughters out to get raped by an angry mob
Or when adam and eve ate the apple before god created any concept of right and wrong.
Or the rape he allows in the catholic church
He sounds real devine lol
And you are still falsely accusing Him.
You are putting God on trial.
And He will win.
And when you finish searching Him out, You will find He is good, all good!
And He is not a liar, or a hypocrite, or a murderer...
And you are also a recipient of His grace (grace---His unmerited favor of us), as I am sure only you and He know how imperfect you have been lol...as we all have been.
And that He hasn't put the stops on this planet:explode: and sent us all to our respective destinations right now!
But He is giving us all time to repent. I have...will you?
And are you offended because, you say, God has violated YOUR standards?
There you go again, thinking you set the standards, getting offended at God and falsely accusing Him, when He is perfect, and you are not!
So that is hypocrisy.
I need His grace everyday...but the gift He gave me...my heavenly destination... was free and irrevocable,.... I get to have that just because I asked Him to give it to me, even though I still blow it, violate His standards.0 -
All great questions.
Hell is real place, and there is reason to fear it!
Yes, the question of where we are going (after death) leads to discussing origins (where did we come from) and the authority of the bible (because it claims to know).One thing to remember is the modern bible has been translated edited and messed with.
Not to mention it was written to keep pesents in line.
I mean if murdering non virgins and gays is your bag crack on but remember the bible is based on nothing but stuff people wrote down 100s of years after it happend.
Faith is simply taking something as fact because it seems nice, nothing more it has no special power.
Keep the search for god personal.
It was a while before I learned and understood that the bible can be trusted as the authority ( on all topics, for that matter).
Have you read it?
In the area of religion (as well as any other area) there can be liars and hypocrites, and people who generally misrepresent....even in issues of health and fitness!
Josh McDowell and CS Lewis are examples of men who went in to discredit the authority of God's word....and came away believers!
Well, I might express my faith this way:
Ultimately, even though I can see God's word lines up with God's world, it's a personal relationship.....it's the way He works in my life.
If you can completely wrap your mind around God and understand Him completely, you don't have the true God in mind! You have a god in mind that you created.
The real One is too big to fit there.
Ive dabbled lol
I think any person who has a brain can understand the bible is just a tool of fear and control.
Any person who lives a good life based on the fear of hell and not by there own morals is no better than an animal begging for a treat.
If god exists and turns out to be the petty child he comes across as in the bible murdering his followers just to prove a point ect it really is a sad world we live in.
Just a point for op have you ever considerd enternal life? I get bored, Think forever what would you do
Boredom is not the worst thing about hell, nor does it exist in heaven.
If you set your own moral standards, and then you feel/or get offended by someone else who has violated your standards, then now you are the one setting the standards.
And I would like to say that you are not GOD. Just my point is that you don't have the authority to set those standards.
But He does.
His word says He created us separately from the animals, in His image. The animals He created, and they were alive and living their lives. But man He created with His own hands from the dust (which He also created), and breathed life into him, and he became a living being. We are different from animals.
And you are falsely accusing Him, which is how He was crucified to begin with.
He died on the cross. BUT he OVERCAME death, resurrected by His own power, and is with the Father in heaven.
Which is where He wants to take each and every person.
So He is all-powerful, has all authority, and has PRESEVED His word and you can read it!
^^ I completely agree with her. I couldn't put it better. You need to respect other people views and not go falsely accusing the Lord Almighty. Is it because you might be scared that there is a high power then yourself? Because it is awe inspiring and it is wonderful that there is someone who is so good and so merciful. You maybe should read more of the Bible, reflect, and then come back. (P.S be more respectful of others)
I find it hard to trust any god who says a man must pay a fine to the father of a rapew victim then marry her.
Or any non virgin bride should be stoned
or that wonderful little story about the fella that sent his 2 daughters out to get raped by an angry mob
Or when adam and eve ate the apple before god created any concept of right and wrong.
Or the rape he allows in the catholic church
He sounds real devine lol
And you are still falsely accusing Him.
You are putting God on trial.
And He will win.
And when you finish searching Him out, You will find He is good, all good!
And He is not a liar, or a hypocrite, or a murderer...
And you are also a recipient of His grace (grace---His unmerited favor of us), as I am sure only you and He know how imperfect you have been lol...as we all have been.
And that He hasn't put the stops on this planet:explode: and sent us all to our respective destinations right now!
But He is giving us all time to repent. I have...will you?
And are you offended because, you say, God has violated YOUR standards?
There you go again, thinking you set the standards, getting offended at God and falsely accusing Him, when He is perfect, and you are not!
So that is hypocrisy.
I need His grace everyday...but the gift He gave me...my heavenly destination... was free and irrevocable,.... I get to have that just because I asked Him to give it to me, even though I still blow it, violate His standards.
Very well said.0
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