What do you count as water?

moosegt35

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

most likely because a brownie doesn't have a can of tuna in it, unless you make some nasty *kitten* brownies. I do agree that the 8 cups of water should be water though, and not other drinks containing water. If that were the case then 8 glasses of coke would work because it is a water base.

gingerjen7

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

most likely because a brownie doesn't have a can of tuna in it, unless you make some nasty *kitten* brownies. I do agree that the 8 cups of water should be water though, and not other drinks containing water. If that were the case then 8 glasses of coke would work because it is a water base.

Right; I log water because it helps me remember to drink it, and I drink water because since I started drinking it I feel better, I've lost more weight, and I look better. But it's not like MFP is going to give you some sort of warning if you DON'T log water, so I don't understand why people feel the need to log things that aren't water as water.

The brownie vs tuna was to illustrate that they're not just different solid foods, they're nutritionally different. If you (generic) are logging coffee with three sugars and cream as water, what about the sugar and the carbs? They do different things for/to you, so why pretend they're the same just so you can see that little glass fill up? Why use the tool if you're not going to use it correctly? Not that it makes any difference to me, it doesn't affect my water count--but if you don't use it correctly, you probably shouldn't complain if it doesn't work correctly. Know what I mean?

Sarauk2sf

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

Because, unless you are making some weird brownie, there is no tuna in a brownie. There is water in tea.

gingerjen7

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

Because, unless you are making some weird brownie, there is no tuna in a brownie. There is water in tea.

And a lot of other stuff. Tea isn't water. Have you ever read the back of a box of Hamburger Helper that said "combine noodles, seasoning, ground beef, and tea"? No, because tea isn't water.

There's water in chocolate cake. Do you log chocolate cake as water?

mycrobemini

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

Because, unless you are making some weird brownie, there is no tuna in a brownie. There is water in tea.

And a lot of other stuff. Tea isn't water. Have you ever read the back of a box of Hamburger Helper that said "combine noodles, seasoning, ground beef, and tea"? No, because tea isn't water.

There's water in chocolate cake. Do you log chocolate cake as water?

You don't seem to understand that tea IS WATER with herbal additives, where chocolate cake is not.

Also, where your definition of "correct use" of the water meter is awesome for you, it may not be how the rest of the world measures their intake. Unless you wrote the MFP program and in doing so defined the "correct use" of the water meter, please stop assuming your way is the only way.

kareinlib

water is water. sometimes I count it if there's crystal light powder in it, but that is it. Maybe tea, if I drank it. I absolutely wouldn't count things like milk - that has lots of calories and fat to it.

Just drink 8 cups of actual water every day on top of whatever else you drink to be safe. It isn't difficult if you carry a water bottle.

gingerjen7

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

Because, unless you are making some weird brownie, there is no tuna in a brownie. There is water in tea.

And a lot of other stuff. Tea isn't water. Have you ever read the back of a box of Hamburger Helper that said "combine noodles, seasoning, ground beef, and tea"? No, because tea isn't water.

There's water in chocolate cake. Do you log chocolate cake as water?

You don't seem to understand that tea IS WATER with herbal additives, where chocolate cake is not.

Also, where your definition of "correct use" of the water meter is awesome for you, it may not be how the rest of the world measures their intake. Unless you wrote the MFP program and in doing so defined the "correct use" of the water meter, please stop assuming your way is the only way.

Did I assume my way was the only way? I specifically said " Not that it makes any difference to me, it doesn't affect my water count". Don't get so defensive. You want to call your diet coke water, by all means, call it water. I'm not going to pat you on the back and say "Hey, great job drinking so much water" for it, but as long as you're not telling me to log my tea as water, it don't make me no nevermind.

moosegt35

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

Because, unless you are making some weird brownie, there is no tuna in a brownie. There is water in tea.

And a lot of other stuff. Tea isn't water. Have you ever read the back of a box of Hamburger Helper that said "combine noodles, seasoning, ground beef, and tea"? No, because tea isn't water.

There's water in chocolate cake. Do you log chocolate cake as water?

You don't seem to understand that tea IS WATER with herbal additives, where chocolate cake is not.

Also, where your definition of "correct use" of the water meter is awesome for you, it may not be how the rest of the world measures their intake. Unless you wrote the MFP program and in doing so defined the "correct use" of the water meter, please stop assuming your way is the only way.

Beer IS WATER with hopps and stuff added to it. Can I count it as water too? Gee, I sure hope so.

gingerjen7

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

Because, unless you are making some weird brownie, there is no tuna in a brownie. There is water in tea.

And a lot of other stuff. Tea isn't water. Have you ever read the back of a box of Hamburger Helper that said "combine noodles, seasoning, ground beef, and tea"? No, because tea isn't water.

There's water in chocolate cake. Do you log chocolate cake as water?

You don't seem to understand that tea IS WATER with herbal additives, where chocolate cake is not.

Also, where your definition of "correct use" of the water meter is awesome for you, it may not be how the rest of the world measures their intake. Unless you wrote the MFP program and in doing so defined the "correct use" of the water meter, please stop assuming your way is the only way.

Beer IS WATER with hopps and stuff added to it. Can I count it as water too? Gee, I sure hope so.

Oh my god, if that's the case, then I drink SOOOOOO much water!

kenazfehu

Coffee, tea, and - of course - water, my criteria being it has to be 0 calories and very wet.
And I don't care if you don't like it.

WillLift4Tats

Just water dude.

AmberJo1984

I just count water toward my daily water intake. Tea may be alright (but, I personally don't count it). However, I would definitely not count sodas. They will bloat you, instead of helping cleanse your system.

AmberJo1984

my criteria being it has to be 0 calories and very wet.

THIS*** Very good way of putting it.

Goal_Driven

Just water, and the occassional Vitamin Water Zero

WillLift4Tats

Beer IS WATER with hopps and stuff added to it. Can I count it as water too? Gee, I sure hope so.

me too!!

WillLift4Tats

milk is a solid, but I generally don't eat milk anyway.

:huh: I'm sorry what...yea I don't eat milk either...tends to taste pretty bad at that point..

Sarauk2sf

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

Because, unless you are making some weird brownie, there is no tuna in a brownie. There is water in tea.

And a lot of other stuff. Tea isn't water. Have you ever read the back of a box of Hamburger Helper that said "combine noodles, seasoning, ground beef, and tea"? No, because tea isn't water.

There's water in chocolate cake. Do you log chocolate cake as water?

I actually do not log water. I can tell if I am hydrated enough by the fact my pee is the right color. However, I stay hydrated enough due to the amount of milk I drink.

BTW: your post actually made no sense to me.

sgwhit

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milk is a solid

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Oh my, when did milk turn into a solid??

ceejay1982

Deluting juice or squash but quite weak just to give water some taste as I can't drink tap water

gingerjen7

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

Because, unless you are making some weird brownie, there is no tuna in a brownie. There is water in tea.

And a lot of other stuff. Tea isn't water. Have you ever read the back of a box of Hamburger Helper that said "combine noodles, seasoning, ground beef, and tea"? No, because tea isn't water.

There's water in chocolate cake. Do you log chocolate cake as water?

I actually do not log water. I can tell if I am hydrated enough by the fact my pee is the right color. However, I stay hydrated enough due to the amount of milk I drink.

BTW: your post actually made no sense to me.

Which part confused you? That tea isn't water or that just because something has water in it doesn't mean that it's water?

jgsparks89

I am sure some one has said this already....but you should ONLY count water...plain old water. Other things with solutes in them (especially coffee and tea, which HAVE CAFFEINE--which is a huge diuretic) cause you to actually LOSE water because of how your system of absorption works with fluid dynamics.

SO to be clear....the only thing that is water....is water. Possibly flavored water...but certainly not tea, coffee and juices. And not sports drinks (even calorie free)....they have electrolytes that change the osmolality.

Sarauk2sf

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For those of you interested in what actual health professionals think, try this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

Of particular interest to this thread: "Everyone has heard the advice, "Drink eight 8-ounce glasses of water a day." That's about 1.9 liters, which isn't that different from the Institute of Medicine recommendations. Although the "8 by 8" rule isn't supported by hard evidence, it remains popular because it's easy to remember. Just keep in mind that the rule should be reframed as: "Drink at least eight 8-ounce glasses of fluid a day," because all fluids count toward the daily total. "

I've read that as well.

However, that doesn't mean I'm going to count any fluid as water just because it's fluid; it's not water. I'm not going to log a brownie as a can of tuna because it's not a can of tuna, so why would I log tea as water?

Because, unless you are making some weird brownie, there is no tuna in a brownie. There is water in tea.

And a lot of other stuff. Tea isn't water. Have you ever read the back of a box of Hamburger Helper that said "combine noodles, seasoning, ground beef, and tea"? No, because tea isn't water.

There's water in chocolate cake. Do you log chocolate cake as water?

I actually do not log water. I can tell if I am hydrated enough by the fact my pee is the right color. However, I stay hydrated enough due to the amount of milk I drink.

BTW: your post actually made no sense to me.

Which part confused you? That tea isn't water or that just because something has water in it doesn't mean that it's water?

The references to hamburger helper and chocolate cake. Of course you do not log chocolate cake as water as it has calories - but the water you use in it is hydrating. Tea has negligible calories so I do not see the analogy you are trying to make.

Sarauk2sf

I am sure some one has said this already....but you should ONLY count water...plain old water. Other things with solutes in them (especially coffee and tea, which HAVE CAFFEINE--which is a huge diuretic) cause you to actually LOSE water because of how your system of absorption works with fluid dynamics.

SO to be clear....the only thing that is water....is water. Possibly flavored water...but certainly not tea, coffee and juices. And not sports drinks (even calorie free)....they have electrolytes that change the osmolality.

Wrong - you can count most beverages:


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

http://www.jacn.org/content/22/2/165.short

http://www.jacn.org/content/19/5/591.short

http://bjsportmed.com/content/40/5/406.abstract (sports drinks might actually be more effective than plain water)

http://www.jacn.org/content/26/suppl_5/592S.short (food counts too)

About the effect of caffeine:

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/12187618/

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/12834577

MoreBean13

I am sure some one has said this already....but you should ONLY count water...plain old water. Other things with solutes in them (especially coffee and tea, which HAVE CAFFEINE--which is a huge diuretic) cause you to actually LOSE water because of how your system of absorption works with fluid dynamics.

SO to be clear....the only thing that is water....is water. Possibly flavored water...but certainly not tea, coffee and juices. And not sports drinks (even calorie free)....they have electrolytes that change the osmolality.

Wrong. All drinkable water has solutes and electrolytes in it. Even in commercial processes where they use reverse osmosis to remove virtually all impurities from tap water (like Dasani or Aquafina's processes) they add salts back in to the water to make it drinkable. If you drank a lot of actual pure water, it would give you crazy diarrhea.

jgsparks89

For general purposes, that is true. But because I have medical training, I know how your digestive system works, and if you want OPTIMUM hydration, you shouldn't count hyper-osmolar intake as water due to the chemical load it takes your body to deal with the solutes. Atleast 64 ounces of plain water a day...or lightly flavored (hypo-osmolar) beverages. Then you can have whatever else you want. And for the record.....it is possible to become dehydrated from drinking excessive sports drink due to the concentration of electrolytes.


My source is a medical textbook, which I can't provide a link to.

jgsparks89

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I am sure some one has said this already....but you should ONLY count water...plain old water. Other things with solutes in them (especially coffee and tea, which HAVE CAFFEINE--which is a huge diuretic) cause you to actually LOSE water because of how your system of absorption works with fluid dynamics.

SO to be clear....the only thing that is water....is water. Possibly flavored water...but certainly not tea, coffee and juices. And not sports drinks (even calorie free)....they have electrolytes that change the osmolality.

Wrong. All drinkable water has solutes and electrolytes in it. Even in commercial processes where they use reverse osmosis to remove virtually all impurities from tap water (like Dasani or Aquafina's processes) they add salts back in to the water to make it drinkable. If you drank a lot of actual pure water, it would give you crazy diarrhea.

No they aren't free of solutes, but they are hypo-osmolar or isotonic which is what important.

Maria_T007

Plain old water is all....I log everything but if it has something in it I don't log it as water.

GlutesthatSalute

Just water....

FYI, I wouldn't count coffee or tea (unless it is herbal tea) as water because they are actually dehydrating and will require you to need additional water.

^^^^ this exactly..
I open a gallon of water every morning and make a plan to have most of it gone by lunch... by the end of work I'm done and then whatever I drink at gym or diet sodas after work I don't count..

opus649

Fail fail fail herp derp da derp!!!

GoMizzou99

Whats the difference between drinking soda, which most of you don't count in your daily log, and drinking 8 oz. pure clean water while eating a handful of gummi bears?

Just saying.