Starting a 30 Day Juice Fast 09/05/2012! Support needed!
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So my boyfriend watched FSAND a few months ago and became inspired to incorporate juice into our lifestyle. We were thinking maybe replacing 1 or 2 (on occasion) meals a day with juice. My concern is the cost aspect. How much would you say you spend on the produce for the juice every week? I'm in college and unemployed (looking for a job though) and we're only living off of his 20k a year income, so money is a big concern.0
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what you are doing is great and you sound like you were very well prepared and informed before you started it. I am learning a lot just reading everything on here. Good luck and keep it going; i am sure it can be hard.
Keep up the blog. We all want to hear about your great success!!0 -
I have 40% water weight right now so I wouldn't mind getting that number down too.
40% water weight is too low already, you don't want it lower! the ideal hydration level for a woman is 50-60%. Water is not the enemy, you're MEANT to be made of it
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Good luck with your juice fast! I have thought often about doing one and still might. I have done the Master Cleanse a few times and the Shakeology cleanse, and they were both very successful. I think cleanses are great for jump starting weight loss or breaking a plateau. People on these forums always get upset when anyone does anything that seems drastic. I believe that eating healthy, counting calories, and exercising everyday are very important, but doing a cleanse/detox/fast every now and then can be very beneficial. I will definitely keep up with your progress. So sorry for the loss of your son, I can't even imagine. I have 2 sons and I have watched people in my family lose children and it is the most devastating thing that can EVER happen to a person. I wish you peace and comfort in your grief.
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Ok I am at the 7 day mark! One week down 3 to go lol. I am down 14 lbs so that's good I'm feeling pretty good over all. I had a good spurt of energy today so I got some things done! My headaches are gone for the most part (the really heavy thumping ones anyway). Metal taste is gone thankfully because that was annoying lol. The juice was easier to drink today. My stomach must have just been really upset yesterday.
I have been swimming everyday for excersize. My water % is at 47. My fat % dropped 3 I have been downing water bottles so I know I am drinking plenty of water. I have body wrapped twice since starting too. They are not water loss wraps they are detox wraps. If your curious about them they are made by ItWorks. I have lots on hand because I sell them, which is very nice because you can wrap every three days!
If my husband would step on the scale every now and then I would update on his progress too lol. Let me know if you guys have any questions for me!! Thanks for the support I greatly appreciate it.
Oh and I asked my hubby if I snore and he said no. Neither does he lol. I still will look into the sleep apnea though because I do wonder why I toss and turn so much. Could just be my crummy matress!0 -
This thread is very interesting and entertaining. So much misinformation and fear mongering going on in here. However, I must admit that I was a little shocked at first that the OP was willing to go on a 30 day fast but after reading it a bit more it's not really that bad as it doesn't sound like a true fast. What she has really done is become a vegetarian for 30 days. She is still getting carbs from vegetables and fruits, so all she needs now is to add some tofu for protein.
Below, I want to set the record straight on some misinformation
A. She is not destroying her metabolism. There is no known disease associated with eating a low calorie diet or fasting but there is a disease associated with eating too much food and it's called Diabetes Type 2. Diabetes Type 2 literally means that your metabolism is destroyed forever but i would caution the OP from losing 40% of her weight too fast as I said earlier.
B. She is not at risk for ketoacidosis. You have to have Diabetes type 1 in order to have ketoacidosis.0 -
B. She is not at risk for ketoacidosis. You have to have Diabetes type 1 in order to have ketoacidosis.
you're right, she's not in ketoacidosis, and i'm pretty sure nobody said she is.
she's in ketosis, which means her body is breaking down fat for energy, and producing ketones as a byproduct.
it's different.0 -
gottaloveit77, i've been meaning to ask you..
i see two major flaws in your described juice fast - the lack of protien, and the lack of fibre. what are you doing to get these?0 -
B. She is not at risk for ketoacidosis. You have to have Diabetes type 1 in order to have ketoacidosis.
you're right, she's not in ketoacidosis, and i'm pretty sure nobody said she is.
she's in ketosis, which means her body is breaking down fat for energy, and producing ketones as a byproduct.
it's different.
Phynyxfyre implied that she could die due to ketoacidosis. Yes, she is producing keytones but why is that bad? The only thing that i have ever found in relation to keytones is that it could potentially cause kidney stones but that is normally associated with eating a HIGH protein diet, via Atkins diet. Unless you think becoming a vegetarian is bad for your health then I really don't see anything wrong with this. Just throw in some tofu and she'll be fine.0 -
This thread is very interesting and entertaining. So much misinformation and fear mongering going on in here. However, I must admit that I was a little shocked at first that the OP was willing to go on a 30 day fast but after reading it a bit more it's not really that bad as it doesn't sound like a true fast. What she has really done is become a vegetarian for 30 days. She is still getting carbs from vegetables and fruits, so all she needs now is to add some tofu for protein.
Below, I want to set the record straight on some misinformation
A. She is not destroying her metabolism. There is no known disease associated with eating a low calorie diet or fasting but there is a disease associated with eating too much food and it's called Diabetes Type 2. Diabetes Type 2 literally means that your metabolism is destroyed forever but i would caution the OP from losing 40% of her weight too fast as I said earlier.
B. She is not at risk for ketoacidosis. You have to have Diabetes type 1 in order to have ketoacidosis.
In reguards to your (A) - I do believe the under eating/not eating (which essentially what a fast is) fit the bill for anorexia nervosa. Not a doctor, but that is a disease associated directly with those two things0 -
This thread is very interesting and entertaining. So much misinformation and fear mongering going on in here. However, I must admit that I was a little shocked at first that the OP was willing to go on a 30 day fast but after reading it a bit more it's not really that bad as it doesn't sound like a true fast. What she has really done is become a vegetarian for 30 days. She is still getting carbs from vegetables and fruits, so all she needs now is to add some tofu for protein.
Below, I want to set the record straight on some misinformation
A. She is not destroying her metabolism. There is no known disease associated with eating a low calorie diet or fasting but there is a disease associated with eating too much food and it's called Diabetes Type 2. Diabetes Type 2 literally means that your metabolism is destroyed forever but i would caution the OP from losing 40% of her weight too fast as I said earlier.
B. She is not at risk for ketoacidosis. You have to have Diabetes type 1 in order to have ketoacidosis.
In reguards to your (A) - I do believe the under eating/not eating (which essentially what a fast is) fit the bill for anorexia nervosa. Not a doctor, but that is a disease associated directly with those two things
My comment was in reference to the claim that she is destroying her metoblism. You are referring to a psychological eating disorder. That eating disorder can also be fixed.0 -
B. She is not at risk for ketoacidosis. You have to have Diabetes type 1 in order to have ketoacidosis.
you're right, she's not in ketoacidosis, and i'm pretty sure nobody said she is.
she's in ketosis, which means her body is breaking down fat for energy, and producing ketones as a byproduct.
it's different.
Phynyxfyre implied that she could die due to ketoacidosis. Yes, she is producing keytones but why is that bad? The only thing that i have ever found in relation to keytones is that it could potentially cause kidney stones but that is normally associated with eating a HIGH protein diet, via Atkins diet. Unless you think becoming a vegetarian is bad for your health then I really don't see anything wrong with this. Just throw in some tofu and she'll be fine.
forgive me, I didn't see that one.
the point I was trying to make remains the same.. there's a difference between the two.
though you're right, ketosis is generally related to a high protien diet. hopefully (she hasn't answered my question yet) she's getting some protien from somewhere, otherwise it might actually be a sign of muscle breakdown. Food for thought..
OP, I know you have a scale that measures your body fat and hydration, does it also do your muscle mass? if I were you I'd be monitoring that too, just in case.
now.. As well as my earlier question regarding protien and fibre, I wonder if you could clear up what might be an obvious question for me. you call this a juice fast, which immediately makes me go 'no. bad idea' (I subscribe to the 'eat small, well and often' school of thought), but you don't actually seem to be fasting, more like substituting. correct?
because if thats the case, then I think you're missing out on a bunch of nutrients, but don't really see it as the crisis situation it's been made out to be.0 -
I would like to state for the record that there are different types of ketoacidosis and it is not only in people with diabetes. That type is called diabetic ketoacidosis. There is also alcoholic ketoacidosis, which is a similar state but the cause is different. All that is meant by ketoacidosis is that the body pH lowers ( becomes acidic) as a result of the breakdown of fats in the body (ketosis). When your body becomes too acidic, the lungs work to reduce the acidity, as well as other organs begin to function differently in order to bring the balance back. (homeostasis) This can happen on fasts, fad diets, simple malnutrition, etc.
When there is a metabolic (dietary) reason for high acid in the body, the lungs try to balance with alkalosis (raise the pH). Your breathing changes. I am not implying that this will definitely happen on her fast. I don't think vegetarianism or veganism is bad. I do think that unless you have talked with a doctor or nutritionist or at least done loads of research on the topic and possible side effects, that it is worth it to hear someone say "Here is when to be concerned, otherwise more power to you!" Which is what I hoped to convey.0 -
This has nothing to do with juice. You could just as easily and with the same result do a free range chicken fast for 30 days. There is no magic in the fruits and veggies that exert an effect on the physiology of your body. If anybody who was overweight, sedentary and ate processed poor nutrient diet went on a chicken fast for thirty days would lose weight and over the course of 30-90 days no longer need meds etc. the body is pretty amazing, it pulls nutrients from food and the rest is excreted as waste. Don't eat processed and surplus food and you will feel better. Each one of us could come up with a food and do a fast. Maple syrup fast, veggie fast, grass fed beef fast, you name it. Juice is not detoxing/resetting or whatever you wish to call it, your body is doing all the work, you are simply deleting the imput of preservatives or whatever you believe needs detoxing. People like to go to extremes, it makes us feel like we are doing something proactive/productive. I have always believed the right thing to do is the hardest thing to do. It's hard to eat right, it's hard to exercise. I love my bacon, my steak, my occasional ice cream. I can eat all of this and still lose because I exert control and earn these treats. It's to important to be happy and enjoy what I eat, not worry if my blender will work or what I will eat at a function or friends house. Are you buying all organic? Was the soil your veggies grew in fertilized and how so? Are they genetically modified? If any of these are so, how will you proceed to detox from this? Concentrated pesticide drinks in high quantities? There are many types of resets/fasts out there, all with user anecdotal evidence. The only constant that remains is removal of eating "bad" foods, your body does the hard work. Watch your macros and eat food in moderation with same result. Enjoy what you eat, eat happy and don't resent your diet. It should never be a chore to fuel up. Also, ketosis. Let's artificially put our body into a state of fuel Fat consumption by denying it its most basic fuel source. Just sounds wrong. Why not just make the leap and use diet pills?? Tricking the body to use alternate source of energy has consequences physiologically. Would love to her more fast ideas. We could all be a hot topic and best seller for a week until next one is published. I do wish you luck though, it very well may be a great jump start to your journey. I would just hate to see you struggle and be unhappy thinking the juice itself is doing something. Live to eat, don't eat to live as they say.0
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.FYI juicing resets the metabolism to a better point...this is proven by science..
I would love to see this research. Can you please send the citations to the journals so we can all learn about this?0 -
This whole thread is fascinating. Good luck to you. To whoever said that headaches are a sign that something's wrong... not so. Cutting out sugar will give you headaches for a few days if you're a big sugar eater, and I doubt anyone on this forum would rise up in defense of sugar! (Unless you're defending it's deliciousness...:laugh: )
I don't know much about IF, but something that struck me as maybe a good transition out of your fast is the Whole30 program. Google it. It's essentially just eating clean, nothing from a package, and no dairy, grains, legumes, or sugar (which does not mean no carb--it's very pro-carb as long as it's things like sweet potatoes). I did that and felt amazing, many of my medical issues cleared up during that time. Particularly my always pregnant looking bloat belly!
I applaud how you've been handling the criticism, as well. I do think most of the naysayers are doing it out of care for your wellbeing (and I admit, I'd be nervous about protein with this fast), but there are CLEARLY people who just like being snarky, as well. I posted a question once and got such nasty feedback that I almost never post topics anymore. You're brave!0 -
.FYI juicing resets the metabolism to a better point...this is proven by science..
I would love to see this research. Can you please send the citations to the journals so we can all learn about this?
That phrase sounds really bold but there is some truth what was said.
Link to wiki of a whole host of research papers on fasting and it's positive effects on the body. I have yet to run across a paper that says fasting is detrimental to someone's health.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting
Go to time 24:50 to listen to the analogy in laymen terms from Professor Valter Longo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfna7nV7WaM&feature=youtu.be 0 -
Hey guys. I had kind of a rough emotional day today. I'll get on sometime tomorrow to answer some questions and give an update. I am at the end of day 8. As always thanks for the information and support.0
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I am on day #3 of my juice fast. Feeling pretty good. For 70 days I have been logging on MFP and have dropped 20 lbs from eating 1,200 calories and walking. I gave up coffee when I started healthy eating and logging on MFP. I cook all of my meals and don't eat processed foods so I was pretty much set for this 10 juice challange with myself. I can add powder wheat grass for fiber and if so whey for protien. I have no headaches and no metal taste in my mouth as of today. My daily juice calories total 800 or more and sometimes I add an avocodo for added healthy fat and calories.0
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Keep updating, your posts encourage me! I am on day one of my juice fast. Well actually I'm going to fast for about a week, see how that goes take a weekend break and then embark on a 30 day fast. We have a music festival to go to that we've had tickets and camping reservations for, for a while. So that will be my break. Bought a juicer last night and lots of fruits and veggies. 2 meals of juice so far and lots of water, haven't really been hungry yet. I know I will be hungry because I work til 5 and didn't have the time to make a juicey snack! Good luck to you, will be keeping up with your progress! 0
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End of day 9. Wasn't feeling good today. My husband got a cold from someone at work and passed it on to me. So yea, I haven't been too much in the mood to post much. I think I am at the same weight. My scale is a little psycho at times and will give you 3 different readings right in a row. Other times it's the same. So it's hard to know exactly what my weight is. I haven't had any headaches which is nice. Hopefully I start feeling better tomorrow.
As far as the protein goes, I make sure I consume veggies/fruits that have lots of protein in them. And because you can get so many things in one drink, it can easily have 8-14 grams per cup. I think you are supposed to multiply your weight by .3 to find out how many grams your body should have. So mine would be 65. I may come up a little short on days but for the most part I think I am getting enough. So answer, no I am not adding anything to my diet as of now for extra protein. I may at some point if I feel my body needs it.
I am very excited for everyone who is doing a fast right now! Stay strong and listen to your body talk to you all tomorrow! 0 -
I've been watching your journey and am interested to keep doing so. I know nothing about juice or fasts but have watched Big fat and nearly dead. Am interested in how it goes. Not for me but I might add some juices to my diet. CAn you share the recipes you are using?0
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The thing that has struck me the most about this thread is your amazing positive attitude, even when confronted with naysayers.
Your attitude is an inspiration and I loved it when you wrote "I do read everything, I'm just not responding the way you had hoped". Beautiful.
I think people are forgetting that if you live to 86 then a month is 1/1032 of your life.
Many figures in many different religions and cultures, throughout history have gone on spiritual fasts, a liquid fast is surely healthier, and your body is quite adaptive. Look at the whole "starvation mode" mythos as proof. I've read those studies, and the studies done replicating Nazis prisoners and as far as starvation mode goes, there is just evidence that suggests the less you eat, the more your body will store food (as it doesn't know when it's next meal is coming) and the lower your metabolism will get. And once your body learns to store food as fat, it's difficult to get it to stop. I know enough anorexics and bulimics to know that a diet can have long-term negative effects on your metabolism, but usually these are long term diets, and the harm is caused over years.
This shows that the body is beautifully adaptive to circumstances, but also that these circumstances are generally built up over time.
I also loved it when people call weight watchers a "fad" diet, yet weight watchers works of the same premise of myfitnesspal- low calorie. (If a very seemingly processed and flawed version of calorie counting). A focus on calories has been panned by many experts in the fitness, health and medical fields lately- with many professionals stating that it is better to focus on fruits, vegetables and healthy un-processed foods. With some experts claiming that calorie counting can be inaccurate (which I haven't found it to be in my experience). But that's not really the attitude on myfitnesspal (understandably as this is a calorie counting tool, it can be a very group-think community).
Studies have shown that people who "fad diet" are likely to weigh more than people of the same general grouping who do not, so I can see why people are concerned. But that data, and relying on it, seems like it contains numerous fallacies. Studies also show the importance of a positive attitude on health and well-being, and the negative effects of worrying (something I'm good at). Yet that's not something any of these negative "concerned" citizens who tell you you're being unhealthy- when years of being negative, looking for the worst in situations and over-intellectualising will probably harm my health far worse than my diet does, not to mention my sleeping habits.
Health is more than just food, and a month is a very limited period of time in the grand scheme of things. Having a lower BMI in general is linked to a lot of positive health consequences (not to mention social consequences) as long as it doesn't get too low. If you can detox for a month and lower your BMI then this seems to be very positive. Studies have also shown that you can re-train your habits in approximately this long, so this offers you the potential to re-train yourself into a more healthy lifestyle after having fallen off the bandwagon, so to speak.
But mostly my point is this. There are many studies, and they say many different things- and you can draw your own conclusions and really use them to make any argument you want (as long as you have half a brain). So people shouldn't be condemning you so quickly for things they haven't read, and for information that can inevitably get twisted to any purpose an intelligent person wishes. Most of the people who condemn you have only limited knowledge themselves, particularly when they mention "starvation mode" (which is a myfitnesspal community buzzword). In other fitness communities other buzz words are thrown around. And although it is based on research, it's also based on the ideology that people can't be trusted with their own health (which they can't) so better to keep them safe then to be sorry. It's like the dosage on medication bottles. Two aspirin for a 5 ft girl is different to two for a 6'4 body builder. But better to have uniformity and to prevent anything from happening by giving people clear instructions. People should stop harping on about the instructions so much though. Because the equation as to exactly how many aspirins a person needs for their body weight, age and condition is probably better, if more field-orientated knowledge. People on myfitnesspal are loosing weight slowly towards a long term goal the idea of someone loosing weight short term (after all this effort goes into a long term goal) can divide people. Obviously a long-term goal is going to be healthier and more fruitful long-term, but that doesn't deter from the positive outcomes that often result from other dietary plans. It's like comparing a thesis to an 1'000 word essay. Clearly one is better. But that doesn't mean writing an essay isn't a good start.
Yes, a fruit juice diet isn't a sustainable eating plan. But out of all the food groups to live off, I would certainly choose fruits and vegetables any day. They contain fibre, fats (hello avocado) carbohydrates and (contrary to popular belief) many vegetables also contain protein. While this is hardly the same as the amount in meat, an artichoke, corns, peas or collards will give you enough to suffice. Kale is also a good option when juicing.
There are going to be nay-sayers about any dietary change, but I can't help but think a move away from processed foods and complex carbs for such a small amount of time, in order to 're-set' your attitudes to processed foods and your diet is good.
I wish you much luck on your fruit juice diet!
I'm thinking about starting a kind-of vegan fast (more as a lifestyle re-program and to just see what happens and how I feel then for weight loss) and I might need support with that :S
I personally don't think I could do "just juice" but it will be interesting to see how you go with it.0 -
Ok, at first, I thought you were doing some crazy fad diet thing. The way you stated things I got the impression that you had been suckered into to some new wave thing- coupled with the fact that you have videos of yourself doing the HCG diet.....
I WATCHED Fat, sick and nearly dead last night. What a great and inspirational movie. I can now see why you are doing what you are doing, and in fact- I plan to add juicing to my diet on a daily basis and hope to one day do a reboot myself.
Here's the deal- I think people don't understand that you are attempting to reboot your body and your tastes- and she hasn't explained it in my opinion, terribly well- The entire premise of what she is doing on the fast, it's not really clear until you watch the movie. I challenge every nay sayer to watch the movie- and not be inspired by what you saw there.0 -
This study form the Obesity Research Journal shows that very low calorie diets (VLCD) are an acceptable form of weight loss.
http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/v9/n11s/full/oby2001134a.html
"VLCDs have been shown to be very effective in the treatment of obesity. An average weekly weight loss of approximately 2.0 kg in the first 4 to 6 weeks slows to an average weekly weight loss of approximately 0.8 kg over a 6-month period."
A juice fast is certainly a VLCD (under 800 a day) probably 200-300 calorie per juice. If it was me, I would probably substitute some whey protein shakes for juices, but for 1 month, all juice will certainly not hurt you. It is certainly not a long term diet.
The hard part is when you start eating again to not regain the weight. You will have to monitor what you eat very carefully.
You might want to check out the Intermittent Fasting group on MFP where you water fast for limited periods of time. That is what I am doing, and I find it helps to shrink my appetite and gives me better control over what I eat.0 -
I did a 40-day juice fast when I was in my twenties. It had very positive effects on my health. It also made me quite weak at times during the fast, so when I was a few weeks in, I took some time off work, because my body needed to rest more than normal. It also made me a quite irritable sometimes, and sometimes tearful - it was actually quite emotionally cathartic. And I didn't like the taste I got in my mouth - there is an unpleasant taste one gets from fasting. But the fast also gave me great mental energy and focus, and I felt very mentally and emotionally healthy, as well as physically healthy.
I had a lot of people worrying about me and telling me that what I was doing was unhealthy and dangerous, so halfway into my fast I went to the doctor to get checked out. The doctor had never heard of fasting, and was very dubious and expected it to have had some detrimental effects on my health, but when he tested me I was fine and very healthy, much to his surprise, and said I was fine to continue the fast, and that it was clearly having a good effect on me. I would recommend doing this - one of the difficult things during the fast is dealing with people constantly telling you that fasting is wrong and bad and unnatural, and assuming you haven't done any research and that you're just randomly doing it on a whim. But they tend to listen to a doctor's evidence, albeit a bit grudgingly! And also for your own peace of mind - in case there is a possibility that you are harming your body (everyone is different, and not everyone can fast).
The most important thing about doing a prolonged fast is to break it healthily. Once you start eating again, you will be really really hungry, and you'll want to eat everything in sight, and that can be dangerous. You have to break the fast very slowly, eating simple natural foods in very small portions. And another thing to remember is that when you start eating again, you will feel very tired after each meal, as your body gets used to digesting again.
I personally probably wouldn't do another prolonged juice fast - although it was a positive experience, it was hard, and I've found fasting is harder as I've got older. And I did find breaking the fast hard - very hard to resist eating lots of food! - and I didn't do it as gradually as I should have, although I tried. And I really didn't like the taste in my mouth during the fast - a sort of fuzzy unpleasant taste. But I still do short partial fasts, because of the positive effects - and am now doing intermittent fasting, and am very encouraged by the recent research on fasting.
Interestingly, hunger isn't a problem when you fast for a prolonged time - your body goes into restoration mode, and you don't feel hungry. However, if you fast longer than 40 days, there will apparently come a point where you are suddenly very hungry, and this is the true 'starvation mode', and you need to eat. That is why it's recommended not to fast longer than 40 days. I did a lot of reading about fasting before and during my fast - there wasn't all the research that there is now available, and back then fasting seemed to be practically unheard of in the mainstream, but I found quite a few books and articles about people who had fasted, and the effects it had had - there was quite a lot of anecdotal evidence. Fasting is of course something that's been around for centuries, as it's a common religious observance, so some of the books I read were quite old.
Oh, and another thing I found was that, while I wasn't hungry during the fast, I was thinking about food a lot. Especially towards the end of the fast - I was baking lots of muffins to freeze, and preparing all sorts of foods for when my fast was finished. And I often dreamed about eating!
One very nice effect of the fast for me was that my skin cleared up - I had had quite bad acne, and had tried all kinds of things to get rid of it, none of which worked. But after the fast, my skin was great.
By the way, I didn't lose weight from fasting - well, obviously I lost weight while fasting, but I gained it back again. But I didn't need to lose weight - I was thin, and losing weight wasn't my reason for doing it. Apparently if you need to lose weight, then when you start eating again, your body resets itself at the weight it should be. But this may be hard if you are not able to control your hunger after you break the fast - honestly, that is the hardest part of the fast, to break it healthily and in a controlled, balanced way.
(Not trying to put you off - I think juice fasts are very positive, and want to encourage you to keep going. Just letting you know some stuff from my experience, so you're prepared, although you may well have heard a lot of this before! Feel free to add me or ask me any questions if you like.)0 -
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Please don't do this. My girlfriend wen't on a juice diet and ended up in the hospital, she also went into kidney failure because of it, your body can only take in so much when it comes to an excess of vitamins and minerals. I really encourage you to calorie count, exersize and work on weight loss slowly to ensure that you keep it off while staying healthy. It is your choice, I just want you to know the risks. p.s. my girlfriend is still on medication to help her kidneys, it has been 8 years. Please don't do it. :ohwell:0
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I have done many cleanses and juicing thru out some years...I would have started mfp with it, but am breastfeeding and can't. But anyways, I have done up to 17 days straight and it feels great, I lost usually 15 lbs and kept them off. I think we all have diffrent views of what is right and wrong in dieting....I have been feeling great calorie counting and finally excersising....I am not cutting any particular food group out, just basically making sure I dont go over the calorie intake...it is working out great
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