Forced flu shot at work

tquig

It would piss me off. I never take the flu shot and I've never gotten the flu yet. However, I know plenty of people who took it and got sick from the shot and got the flu anyway. I don't believe an employer should be able to force you to put anything you don't want into your body.

This- no need for a flu shot unless you are in a risk category, i.e. very young, elderly, weak immune system, etc.

sleepytexan

LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital.

Good, the fewer people your kids are around, the better for everyone. I hope they never plan on leaving their little world because it can be fatal to other people.

Hmm, how are her children going to be a threat to all the vaccinated people? The vaccinated people are immune, according to you.

Softrbreeze

Depends on how opposed you are to it- if you are really against getting the vax at all, find another job. The people in the hospital trying to get better would not appreciate your making them sick, especially on their dime. I personally don't trust the vaccines and will get them some years and not others, pretty randomly. I read an old study once that correllated flu vaccines 5 yrs in a row to the development of dementia in later life. That study may not be valid anymore, but I prefer not to take any chances. There have been way too many accusations regarding vaccines and no real proof either way, but where there's smoke, there's usually fire, IMHO.

fishgutzy

Don't worry. I Bummercare isn't repealed it could become mandated for everyone. Some bureaucrat will decide it is more "cost effective" to mandate flu shots (and mandate to manufacturer be the biggest campaign donor) than to treat a few cases of the flu.
(lets not forget that the makers of gardasil lobbied states and the feds to get the shot mandated for all girls even though the mortality rate from the shot is higher than HPV)

A couple years ago, the people who got the sickest from the flu were the ones who got the shot.

I can understand why a hospital would mandate it for employees. Private employers can make the terms to work there. And we are free to decide whether to accept those terms.
But the flu shot is not a guarantee. It is a guess. It only works against what the CDC thinks will be the predominant strain.

christimw

Hmm, how are her children going to be a threat to all the vaccinated people? The vaccinated people are immune, according to you.

Exactly. I should be worried about MY child being around a child who has recently been vaccinated with a live disease/virus. If the oh so trusty vaccines work so well, then why are parents of vaccinated children worried about MY unvaccinated child? If one trusts enough in the vaccine to get them, they should trust that their child is safe and protected. Or is that just crazy talk? LOL

sleepytexan

Geez people it's not like she is abusing her kids. She, along with thousands others, is making a choice for her children she feels is best.

Innocent infants have died and innocent pregnant women have had terrible late-term miscarriages because people don't vaccinate their kids. If you don't want to vaccinate your child, that's fine. Just keep them away from infants and pregnant women. You have a right to your own medical choices. You do not, however, have the right to cause fatal harm to others.
10 infants were buried in Ca in '10 because of people like this woman.

But it is HER choice. Look at it like survival of the fittest. I don't know how strong the argument of her children putting others at risk is since most of us are vaccinated.

Infants are not fully immunized. An infant under 3 months are routinely hospitalized ($$$$) many get pneumonia, 1 in 100 die.

congenital varicella syndrome, when a woman contracts chicken pox when pregnant;
CVS is characterized by birth defects, most commonly skin scarring, malformed limbs, an abnormally small head, and vision problems. Plus, a baby with CVS may also grow poorly in utero and suffer from seizures and physical and mental developmental disabilities. The infection may also increase the risk of miscarriage or later fetal death.
Sure, the chances are low. but they exist.
Keep in mind, the pox vaccine was not available until 1995, and most people born before 87 probably have not had the vaccine. Many Adults are recommended to NOT get the pox vaccine. Chicken pox in adult men can cause them to become sterile. Nothing better than being sterilized by some kid who's sick and their mom didn't keep them at home, how awesomely responsible! ! My husband has never had chicken pox. I feel for whatever parent allows their child with chicken pox to be in his presence. It won't be pretty.

Adults over 60 who are exposed to chicken pox can contract shingles and that is no walk in the park and can be debilitating and leave behind lasting health problems. How fun! Exposing your sick child to older people causing them health problems, how sweet! Happened to my husband's grandmother, it had lasting, debilitating affects that cost her thousands of dollars, numerous trips to the hospital, a few surgeries and the need for a catheter the last 3 months of her life. Along with high doses of antibiotics, and we all know what wonderful things high doses does to your stomach and lady parts. YAY! How fun is THAT??

There are some interesting correlations among people who have MS (Multiple Sclerosis); a vast majority of them have never contracted chicken pox or herpes (same root virus). Researchers are looking to determine whether contracting herpes may actually create some protection for the myelin sheath. Now, on the surface, it seems that no one wants that virus, but, if given the choice between that and MS . . . .

Also, a vast majority of people with MS have (or have had) multiple mercury fillings, and there seems to be some correlation between the mercury levels in their body negatively affecting the myelin sheath.

It is not possible to predict who will fall ill with MS, but high levels of thimerosal are also suspected in current research as another potential contributor to the breakdown of the myelin sheath, that inevitably causes paralysis of limbs. Myelin sheath breakdown is also the core problem in Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and ALS.

sleepytexan

It never ceases to amaze me that when a person voices an opinion that is not the same as their own, others seem to think it is okay to bash them. What ever happened to civilized conversation and sharing of ones convictions without the need to have to humiliate and belittle??

I completely agree with you.

Unfortunately whenever a subject that is the source of heated debate is brought to the forums, you are likely to get both very strong negative and very strong positive reactions...and if I've learned ANYTHING about the MFP forums, it's that strong negative reactions bring about rudeness in some individuals...it's just how it is. Sad but true.

I hope I wasn't coming off as rude, that wasn't my intent at all. It just gets to me when people think I'm just some fool afraid of vaccines. Especially people who don't know me, or what brought me to research and come to my decision. I would never tell anyone NOT to vaccinate, or TO vaccinate. I encourage EVERYONE to do their own research. If they truly want information, I'm happy to share what I have and what I know, but I'm not going to belittle them or push MY beliefs onto them. It's a personal decision, just like what you eat. You just have to find out what works best for you and your family. If getting the flu vax, or any others work and you believe they work, that's all that should matter to you, and good for you for doing what you feel is best for your family.

Absolutely not. You were not the rude one.

free2live72003

I support the rationale of it being mandatory for healthcare workers to receive the flu shot--I'm a nurse.

Some diseases that were previously eradicated are now resurfacing, and it is thought that this is due to people choosing not to be vaccinated.

I understand free choice, but your choice to not vaccinate puts more than just yourself at risk.

WendyTerry420

My hospital is demanding that everyone take the flu shot this year. You will be fired unless you have a Dr. Note or religous conviction. How would you feel about this at your work place?

you could get by with a religious conviction pretty easily.
It's easy to twist words to justify what you want to do/ don't want to do.

The usual wording is "conscience or religious belief" and includes such wording as: "the requirements of . . . conflict with my sincerely held convictions based on religion or conscience."

Yeah, in my state there is a standard form to fill out. Some people may not like the fact that the exemption exists, but it does. That's part of the first amendment.

WendyTerry420

LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital.

Good, the fewer people your kids are around, the better for everyone. I hope they never plan on leaving their little world because it can be fatal to other people.

Hmm, how are her children going to be a threat to all the vaccinated people? The vaccinated people are immune, according to you.

Exactly!!!!! If vaccinations work, then how are unvaccinated kids a threat to vaccinated ones?

ncthomas09

True story: When I was in college (many, many moons ago), there was a measles outbreak on campus. I was barred from classes for two weeks because I wasn't vaccinated, until the outbreak calmed down. I failed two labs over it.

My girls are in K and 7th, and if an outbreak occurs they are excused and cannot return until the outbreak is over and you can make arrangements for them to do their work at home. Obviously not college, but they do make it reasonable so they don't get behind or fail. I know that the waivers they have cover them throughout the 12th grade, but I haven't looked at college requirements. But by then, they will be old enough to choose what goes into their bodies.

anyway, no real point here, just bored and rambling. it sure beats being bored and stuffing myself. :P

Just as a heads up you most definitely want to check out college requirements! It was required for me to get a menningitis (sp?) vaccine in order for me to move into the dorms (and those were the only students required at the time) because it can have such a quick on set and people think they have a cold or flu so don't get it checked out and then die because their brain enlarged. I took the vaccine because I had no issue with it and it was nice to have it even when I wasn't in the dorms. But a lot of campuses do have some sort of policy (in which for those allergic to eggs, etc will most likely be exempt) and it is at least nice to know what is going on.

dayone987

The poster did not say that the unvaccinated were a threat to those vaccinated. Unvaccinated people are a threat to those who cannot take routine vaccines due to allergies or to those with other health issues that cause their immune system to be weakened.

Rhea30

You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.

Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.

I hope you're not eating eggs, drinking milk, eat soy, eating nuts, etc. either then, because none of those things are 100% safe either. Also, don't take any anti-biotics, aspirin, tylenol, advil, cough medicine. Stay away from tea too.

Also, stay out of airports and hospitals. When your kid comes into contact with a person with measles, there won't be much you can do.

LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital. We don't eat soy. We don't take anti biotics. Most of my eggs come from MY chickens, and its rare I drink milk. The only tea I consume is medicinal herbal tea either for a tonic or a remedy. We don't do cough medicine, but damn straight I'm going to take something if have a headache.

Nothing is 100% safe, obviously, but surely common sense tells you (well, it does ME anyway), that some things are more dangerous than others. My job as a parent is to keep things that I feel are most dangerous away from my kids. Injecting a cocktail of chemicals *IMO* is worse than milk and eggs for breakfast.

Your children never hurt themselves either? Never had a splinter, a cut, a scrap?

No. Never in their life. My children are perfect.

Just so you know, tetanus isn't a disease you catch from others. It survives in the ground and having those chickens around makes for a better environment for it. If your children ever get a scrape that is abrasive where the bacteria can get trap in there or a splinter that causes a puncture, your child is going to be in a alot of trouble. All the people who catch tetanus are those who are not vaccinated for it.

You don't get tetanus from a scrape. Tetanus can only thrive in an anaerobic environment. If it bleeds, it's not anaerobic (which is why deep puncture wounds are more of an issue.) Tetanus is mostly a disease of people with poor circulation, for example, the elderly. Over a 7 year time span in the US (2000-2007) there were 31 reported cases. Less than 5 a year. If you got it from scratches or splinters, that number would be much higher. (Interesting note: higher chance if you are a heroin user.) In a few parts of the world, neonatal tetanus is an issue from cutting the umbilical cord with unclean instruments or from applying ash or cow dung to the cord (a traditional practice in some countries.) Hygienic delivery and cord care practices would drastically reduce that number.

Re: whopping cough: Dr David Witt at Kaiser (infectious disease specialist) in Marin county, CA noted that from the outbreak in March-Oct 2010, the majority of the whooping cough cases in that area were in the fully vaccinated, over 80%. Only 8% were unvaccinated (the rest were partially vaccinated.) Just because you get the vaccine does not mean you cannot get it or pass it.

Scrapes/cuts/splinters can cause the bacteria to get trapped into an anaerobic situation. Yes, its less then puncture wounds but its still possible. One of the main reasons its low in the US is because of the vaccination for it. Those who get it nearly always had not had the vaccination.

Edit: I'll go with saying its hard with a scrape that it depends on how deep, etc. But the other ways it is possible.

Rhea30

LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital.

Good, the fewer people your kids are around, the better for everyone. I hope they never plan on leaving their little world because it can be fatal to other people.

Hmm, how are her children going to be a threat to all the vaccinated people? The vaccinated people are immune, according to you.

Exactly!!!!! If vaccinations work, then how are unvaccinated kids a threat to vaccinated ones?

They are a threat to other children who are unvaccinated, adults who may never had been expose to the diseases or vaccinated and a threat to people who are unable to take the vaccinations for varies reasons.

beckajw

LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital.

Good, the fewer people your kids are around, the better for everyone. I hope they never plan on leaving their little world because it can be fatal to other people.

Hmm, how are her children going to be a threat to all the vaccinated people? The vaccinated people are immune, according to you.

Just think before you type.

Her children are not a threat to the vaccinated people. They are a threat to those people who were unable to get vaccinations for medical reasons.

pdworkman

Exactly!!!!! If vaccinations work, then how are unvaccinated kids a threat to vaccinated ones?

They are a threat to other children who are unvaccinated, adults who may never had been expose to the diseases or vaccinated and a threat to people who are unable to take the vaccinations for varies reasons.

Additionally, if you do some research into disease outbreaks, you will find that vaccinated kids still get measles, etc.

sisterlilbunny

Exactly!!!!! If vaccinations work, then how are unvaccinated kids a threat to vaccinated ones?

They are a threat to other children who are unvaccinated, adults who may never had been expose to the diseases or vaccinated and a threat to people who are unable to take the vaccinations for varies reasons.

Additionally, if you do some research into disease outbreaks, you will find that vaccinated kids still get measles, etc.

Example one. I'm allergic in a bad way to the Pertussis vaccine. With all the whooping cough outbreaks, I'm a tad nervous. I don't get PTO or sick days so um....yeah.

penrbrown

Exactly!!!!! If vaccinations work, then how are unvaccinated kids a threat to vaccinated ones?

They are a threat to other children who are unvaccinated, adults who may never had been expose to the diseases or vaccinated and a threat to people who are unable to take the vaccinations for varies reasons.

Additionally, if you do some research into disease outbreaks, you will find that vaccinated kids still get measles, etc.

Damn those vaccinated kids. Endangering us all by getting sick despite all that medicine can do for them...

DesireeLovesOrganic

Most adults (who are a very large part of the population) have not been vaccinated for Hep A, Hep B, HiB, Pneumococcal, Meningococcal, MMR, Chicken Pox, Rotavirus and these diseases aren't running rampant throughout the population. We are neither contracting them or spreading them in any significant number.

Bust out your own vaccine record and look at it. I was born in 1980 and all I had was DPT and polio (and then MMR at age 12.) My parents were born in 1960, they got DTP, Polio, smallpox.

Nothing near the amount kids are getting today.

Kelly50054

I challenge you all to watch this video!!!

Shots In The Dark Silence On Vaccine

http://youtu.be/fVwLo3lmKyo