Approaching My Fitness Range

knk1553

Also, if you are actually doing 1300 on a CLEAN and jerk, you'd know how to spell it.

BAHAHAHAHAHA Thank you for this.

Besides, if you were lifting that much, you should know how to lift and workout, so you don't need any of us to tell you how to.

As far as endurance, go run. problem solved, you don't need a gym or anything for that.

devil_in_a_blue_dress

I don't think there is any reason you couldn't do 30ds -- you can use extremely light weights, modify all exercises, and work entirely at your own pace as far as reps go -- and when you move on to more advanced routines.

I did it and could lift a 34 canister of cat food or run for more than 10 seconds without being expremely winded. The routines are on youtube, I'd seriously check it out.

EccentricDad

You probably weren't using proper form, and injuries happen, I was a competitive swimmer for 10 years and tore my rotator cuff one day during practice, it happens, and is a part of life. And no pain no gain is not how people get hurt, stupidity is how people get hurt, people trying to do too much and not using proper form is how people get hurt. Theres a difference between discomfort and real pain, and you should learn the difference, and when to stop pushing yourself.

Actually it does, I'm a therapist and it works very well with my "HSPs", once again, you're making excuses. To each their own, make excuses and see how far that gets you in life and in fitness. Don't post in the forums if you don't want advice and tough love, you asked for advice and people gave it to you, and I just made a simple observation, because people gave you suggestions and you had excuses of why you weren't able to do them.

I probably wasn't using proper form, this is why I require watching someone do it before I do try it myself. And like most people who have trust issues, I won't go to a gym until I have one of my friends take me to one first. The pain I had from my pec was serious sharp pain. It's healed now, but 1 month is a terrible amount of time for "just doing it" and "having pain with no gain".

And as far as your therapist comment, tough love may work for your clients but tough love is just another word for "psychological abuse" and I'm not putting up with ANYONE'S abuse. And I can post things on forums, get advice, and everyone can do it in a respectful manner because that is what people with good netiquette does. I am absolutely happy with the advice given to me, I am just letting people know when I'm NOT going to take their advice because I am not comfortable or willing or in a position that I can do those things. If you look at the beginning of the thread, I agreed that my body is my gym; I just need direction on how to start that.

With all to respect, when I need a military trainer barking orders I'll look you up; but since I enjoy the more delicate, peaceful, and happy parts of life, don't expect me to contact you.

EccentricDad

Also, if you are actually doing 1300 on a CLEAN and jerk, you'd know how to spell it.

I'm typing fast. CLING and jerk. Sorry.

EccentricDad

Also, if you are actually doing 1300 on a CLEAN and jerk, you'd know how to spell it.

BAHAHAHAHAHA Thank you for this.

Besides, if you were lifting that much, you should know how to lift and workout, so you don't need any of us to tell you how to.

As far as endurance, go run. problem solved, you don't need a gym or anything for that.

Again, sorry, typo. Brain goes faster than fingers.
Also, yeah, I just did as I was told in football tech. They didn't teach me work out routines, they just blew whistles and hit our helmets with keys when we weren't doing what we were supposed to do. But it's not like I can do down ups right now without gear and I can do mile stair climbs without stairs. I need more practical exercises I can do at home. Winters coming.....

zyxst

No idea if this is something you want, but it's 100 push-ups program. I'm pretty horrible at it since I can't do a true push-up to save my life, but it does work on your upper body.

EccentricDad

I don't think there is any reason you couldn't do 30ds -- you can use extremely light weights, modify all exercises, and work entirely at your own pace as far as reps go -- and when you move on to more advanced routines.

I did it and could lift a 34 canister of cat food or run for more than 10 seconds without being expremely winded. The routines are on youtube, I'd seriously check it out.

Thinking about it. My confidence level is very low though. I can't even do 5 push ups without feeling weak in my legs.

Sweetsugar0424

Both bodyweight and iron can be adjusted to just about any strength... push ups can be done on knees, you can use bar only (45lbs) for bench, curl etc-- or if that is too much bench 5lb, or even 2.5 lb dumbells.. where there is a will there is a way.

Are you saying an empty barbell weighs 45 lbs? I've been wanting to know this for awhile now so that I could figure out exactly how much I'm pressing.

yo_andi

Maybe my goal is to build endurance and to be able to hold up my own body weight. What do you think I should do to achieve THAT?

Excellent goal.

Here's what you do (you can google all of these exercises). I did this bodyweight circuit for 2 months before joining the gym. In those two months I doubled my ability on almost all of the different exercises.


Workout A:

Push Ups: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Body-weight Squats: maximum repetitions or 30 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Body Row: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Hop Scotch: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Repeat this circuit 4 times, resting as needed between exercises.

Workout B:

Body Row: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Forward Lunges: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions (each leg), which ever comes first.
Push Ups: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Jumping Jacks: maximum repetitions or 40 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Repeat this circuit 4 times, resting as needed between exercises.

Workout C:

Squat Thrusts: maximum repetitions in 5 minutes. If you can complete repetitions that are equal to or greater than 10 times the number of minutes (e.g. 50 or more repetitions in 5 minutes), increase the duration of the session to make it more challenging. Rest as needed but get back to work as soon as possible, allowing the clock to run during both work and rest periods. Record the number of repetitions and try to beat your score in the next session.

Example Training Schedule:

Week 1
Monday: Workout A.
Tuesday: OFF.
Wednesday: Workout B.
Thursday: OFF.
Friday: Workout C.
Saturday: OFF.
Sunday: OFF.

Week 2
Monday: Workout A.
Tuesday: OFF.
Wednesday: Workout B.
Thursday: OFF.
Friday: Workout C.
Saturday: OFF.
Sunday: OFF.

Week 3
Monday: Workout A.
Tuesday: OFF.
Wednesday: Workout B.
Thursday: OFF.
Friday: Workout C.
Saturday: OFF.
Sunday: OFF.

Week 4
Monday: Workout A.
Tuesday: OFF.
Wednesday: Workout B.
Thursday: OFF.
Friday: Workout C.
Saturday: OFF.
Sunday: OFF.

yo_andi

ETA: sorry, duplicate post.

cutierozie

Honestly you can do ANY of those videos but you must go at your own pace as others have mentioned in this thread. I completed 30ds not so long ago and I went at my own paced and modify push ups. I have just started Insanity in which now I'm able to do a full push ups and I also go at my own pace in this video.

My asthmatic son who is 10 years old is doing Insanity for his second time around. He who does not have the lung capacity as healthy people there's really no reason why anyone can't do it. You really have to prepare yourself mentally. Physically we are all capable of doing it. There's people who wear prostetics and do these workouts and marathons,etc. You start at the level that works for you first to avoid injurys and then you start digging deep to push yourself to do better and better. We don't all have to do it at the pace that the people on the DVD are doing it or jump as high or do push ups like they do etc. as long as you are working to get there that's what matters and after a while you will get there. My son's asthma rarely acts up now and he's in way better shape than ever but trust me he wasn't there a few months ago.

Motivate yourself mentally, go at your own pace and modify moves if you have to but do dig deeper and try to set goals for improvement. You can definitely do it!

Kirkajuice

Both bodyweight and iron can be adjusted to just about any strength... push ups can be done on knees, you can use bar only (45lbs) for bench, curl etc-- or if that is too much bench 5lb, or even 2.5 lb dumbells.. where there is a will there is a way.

Are you saying an empty barbell weighs 45 lbs? I've been wanting to know this for awhile now so that I could figure out exactly how much I'm pressing.

Olympic barbell (7ft) weighs 45lbs

EccentricDad

Maybe my goal is to build endurance and to be able to hold up my own body weight. What do you think I should do to achieve THAT?

Excellent goal.

Here's what you do (you can google all of these exercises). I did this bodyweight circuit for 2 months before joining the gym. In those two months I doubled my ability on almost all of the different exercises.


Workout A:

Push Ups: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Body-weight Squats: maximum repetitions or 30 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Body Row: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Hop Scotch: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Repeat this circuit 4 times, resting as needed between exercises.

Workout B:

Body Row: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Forward Lunges: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions (each leg), which ever comes first.
Push Ups: maximum repetitions or 20 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Jumping Jacks: maximum repetitions or 40 repetitions, which ever comes first.
Repeat this circuit 4 times, resting as needed between exercises.

Workout C:

Squat Thrusts: maximum repetitions in 5 minutes. If you can complete repetitions that are equal to or greater than 10 times the number of minutes (e.g. 50 or more repetitions in 5 minutes), increase the duration of the session to make it more challenging. Rest as needed but get back to work as soon as possible, allowing the clock to run during both work and rest periods. Record the number of repetitions and try to beat your score in the next session.

Example Training Schedule:

Week 1
Monday: Workout A.
Tuesday: OFF.
Wednesday: Workout B.
Thursday: OFF.
Friday: Workout C.
Saturday: OFF.
Sunday: OFF.

Week 2
Monday: Workout A.
Tuesday: OFF.
Wednesday: Workout B.
Thursday: OFF.
Friday: Workout C.
Saturday: OFF.
Sunday: OFF.

Week 3
Monday: Workout A.
Tuesday: OFF.
Wednesday: Workout B.
Thursday: OFF.
Friday: Workout C.
Saturday: OFF.
Sunday: OFF.

Week 4
Monday: Workout A.
Tuesday: OFF.
Wednesday: Workout B.
Thursday: OFF.
Friday: Workout C.
Saturday: OFF.
Sunday: OFF.

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BEST POST ON THREAD!
Thank you :flowerforyou:

See, not a troll, just looking for answers to REAL problems folks. I wish people got their head out of the box and just accepted that some people are just "different". I didn't name myself EccentricDad because it was a cool name.

Thank you again very much yo_andi; this gives me something to work with. :smooched:

Determinednoob

Both bodyweight and iron can be adjusted to just about any strength... push ups can be done on knees, you can use bar only (45lbs) for bench, curl etc-- or if that is too much bench 5lb, or even 2.5 lb dumbells.. where there is a will there is a way.

Are you saying an empty barbell weighs 45 lbs? I've been wanting to know this for awhile now so that I could figure out exactly how much I'm pressing.

Generally- the barbell weighs 45lbs- or so I am told-- I am sure there are variations-- I think the barbell on the smith machine weighs 35lbs-- the more seasoned weighlifters can probably tell you more.

Oly bar 45lbs(20kg) bar weight on a smith machine i unfortunately used to use is 12lbs

Capt_Apollo

check out this body weight routine. http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2009/12/09/beginner-body-weight-workout-burn-fat-build-muscle/

odusgolp

You're my favorite.

IronmanPanda

I'm calling you on this. If you were squatting 1000 lbs you'd be setting world records. No one squats 1000 and benches 100.

Missed this part. No seriously, I could max squat over a 1000 lbs in high school. I could cling and jerk over 1300 too. But now, ask me to do reps with it and I wouldn't be able to. In football tech I spent the entire day on the leg machine while everyone else was benching and doing more uniform all over exercises. I couldn't do anything but use my legs. No joke. As far as my max on arms, I probably maxed out on bench press at 135.

lol wut?

Yeah, effed up I'm sure, but it's true. That's because cling and jerk is a momentum thing and squats was a balance on your shoulders and use your legs thing. Neither were very arm intensive. I could also back squat over 1000 back then too.

Again, massive leg power; modest arm power.

Wow... I'm sure there's some kind of world record there.

zaph0d

I'm calling you on this. If you were squatting 1000 lbs you'd be setting world records. No one squats 1000 and benches 100.

Missed this part. No seriously, I could max squat over a 1000 lbs in high school. I could cling and jerk over 1300 too. But now, ask me to do reps with it and I wouldn't be able to. In football tech I spent the entire day on the leg machine while everyone else was benching and doing more uniform all over exercises. I couldn't do anything but use my legs. No joke. As far as my max on arms, I probably maxed out on bench press at 135.

For your first several threads I thought you were a pathetic misguided individual. Now I know you're just full of *kitten*. I'm sorry I wasted any time trying to help you on your previous threads, and I feel sorry for everyone else who has as well.

HeelsAndBoxingGloves

I'm calling you on this. If you were squatting 1000 lbs you'd be setting world records. No one squats 1000 and benches 100.

Missed this part. No seriously, I could max squat over a 1000 lbs in high school. I could cling and jerk over 1300 too. But now, ask me to do reps with it and I wouldn't be able to. In football tech I spent the entire day on the leg machine while everyone else was benching and doing more uniform all over exercises. I couldn't do anything but use my legs. No joke. As far as my max on arms, I probably maxed out on bench press at 135.

lol wut?

Yeah, effed up I'm sure, but it's true. That's because cling and jerk is a momentum thing and squats was a balance on your shoulders and use your legs thing. Neither were very arm intensive. I could also back squat over 1000 back then too.

Again, massive leg power; modest arm power.

Wow... I'm sure there's some kind of world record there.

Pretty damn close - I've seen different answers on different sites but the world record seems to be somewhere between 1000 and 1250lbs

EccentricDad

I'm calling you on this. If you were squatting 1000 lbs you'd be setting world records. No one squats 1000 and benches 100.

Missed this part. No seriously, I could max squat over a 1000 lbs in high school. I could cling and jerk over 1300 too. But now, ask me to do reps with it and I wouldn't be able to. In football tech I spent the entire day on the leg machine while everyone else was benching and doing more uniform all over exercises. I couldn't do anything but use my legs. No joke. As far as my max on arms, I probably maxed out on bench press at 135.

For your first several threads I thought you were a pathetic misguided individual. Now I know you're just full of *kitten*. I'm sorry I wasted any time trying to help you on your previous threads, and I feel sorry for everyone else who has as well.

My weight training coach may not have had me do it correctly. All I had to do is do the lift and hold it for 5 seconds and he considered it "counting". The trick to doing the cling/jerk, back squat, and the normal squat was to have your arms far apart to get better leverage. You don't have to believe me.

You may think I'm just being a huge idiot looking for attention (read: troll) but if you knew how sheltered of a life I've lived and continue to live, you'd thing "Blast from the Past" when you meet me in person.

But I got what this thread was supposed to give me, a work out schedule and that's all I came for.

EccentricDad

You're my favorite.

:blushing:

zaph0d

I'm calling you on this. If you were squatting 1000 lbs you'd be setting world records. No one squats 1000 and benches 100.

Missed this part. No seriously, I could max squat over a 1000 lbs in high school. I could cling and jerk over 1300 too. But now, ask me to do reps with it and I wouldn't be able to. In football tech I spent the entire day on the leg machine while everyone else was benching and doing more uniform all over exercises. I couldn't do anything but use my legs. No joke. As far as my max on arms, I probably maxed out on bench press at 135.

For your first several threads I thought you were a pathetic misguided individual. Now I know you're just full of *kitten*. I'm sorry I wasted any time trying to help you on your previous threads, and I feel sorry for everyone else who has as well.

My weight training coach may not have had me do it correctly. All I had to do is do the lift and hold it for 5 seconds and he considered it "counting". The trick to doing the cling/jerk, back squat, and the normal squat was to have your arms far apart to get better leverage. You don't have to believe me.

You may think I'm just being a huge idiot looking for attention (read: troll) but if you knew how sheltered of a life I've lived and continue to live, you'd thing "Blast from the Past" when you meet me in person.

But I got what this thread was supposed to give me, a work out schedule and that's all I came for.

As of the Athens 2004 Summer Olympics, the official world record for the Men's Clean and Jerk is 263.0 kilograms (580 lb). This record was set by Hossein Rezazadeh of Iran.[2]

The former world record in the Clean and Jerk was 266.0 kilograms (586 lb) by Leonid Taranenko of the Soviet Union. However this weight is not considered a world record by the International Weightlifting Federation, since all the old records were annulled after a restructuring of weight classes.[2][3]

The world record for the Women's Clean and Jerk is 187.0 kilograms (412 lb) as of 2009 World Weightlifting Championships. This record was set by Jang Miran of South Korea.[4]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_and_jerk


Also, forgive me if I have trouble believing a little guy like you can squat more than Jim Wendler.

Determinednoob

I'm calling you on this. If you were squatting 1000 lbs you'd be setting world records. No one squats 1000 and benches 100.

Missed this part. No seriously, I could max squat over a 1000 lbs in high school. I could cling and jerk over 1300 too. But now, ask me to do reps with it and I wouldn't be able to. In football tech I spent the entire day on the leg machine while everyone else was benching and doing more uniform all over exercises. I couldn't do anything but use my legs. No joke. As far as my max on arms, I probably maxed out on bench press at 135.

For your first several threads I thought you were a pathetic misguided individual. Now I know you're just full of *kitten*. I'm sorry I wasted any time trying to help you on your previous threads, and I feel sorry for everyone else who has as well.

My weight training coach may not have had me do it correctly. All I had to do is do the lift and hold it for 5 seconds and he considered it "counting". The trick to doing the cling/jerk, back squat, and the normal squat was to have your arms far apart to get better leverage. You don't have to believe me.

You may think I'm just being a huge idiot looking for attention (read: troll) but if you knew how sheltered of a life I've lived and continue to live, you'd thing "Blast from the Past" when you meet me in person.

But I got what this thread was supposed to give me, a work out schedule and that's all I came for.

As of the Athens 2004 Summer Olympics, the official world record for the Men's Clean and Jerk is 263.0 kilograms (580 lb). This record was set by Hossein Rezazadeh of Iran.[2]

The former world record in the Clean and Jerk was 266.0 kilograms (586 lb) by Leonid Taranenko of the Soviet Union. However this weight is not considered a world record by the International Weightlifting Federation, since all the old records were annulled after a restructuring of weight classes.[2][3]

The world record for the Women's Clean and Jerk is 187.0 kilograms (412 lb) as of 2009 World Weightlifting Championships. This record was set by Jang Miran of South Korea.[4]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_and_jerk


Also, forgive me if I have trouble believing a little guy like you can squat more than Jim Wendler.

It's all CNS brah!

EccentricDad

Also, forgive me if I have trouble believing a little guy like you can squat more than Jim Wendler.

No, it's fine. Either my weight training coach played a dirty trick on us and made us think we were lifting more than we really were, or I added it up wrong when I was a kid (very possible, I don't pay attention to meticulous details very well but I'm pretty certain I did it right). The point of this thread was to get me back in shape though, not argue over bizarre details.

And by the way, I appreciate all your help. I have lots of questions and being a stay at home dad that never leaves the house but to get groceries and to go on family trips, you have been a lot of help trying to figure out these fitness/health things I was never taught.

Sarauk2sf

I'm calling you on this. If you were squatting 1000 lbs you'd be setting world records. No one squats 1000 and benches 100.

Missed this part. No seriously, I could max squat over a 1000 lbs in high school. I could cling and jerk over 1300 too. But now, ask me to do reps with it and I wouldn't be able to. In football tech I spent the entire day on the leg machine while everyone else was benching and doing more uniform all over exercises. I couldn't do anything but use my legs. No joke. As far as my max on arms, I probably maxed out on bench press at 135.

lol wut?

Yeah, effed up I'm sure, but it's true. That's because cling and jerk is a momentum thing and squats was a balance on your shoulders and use your legs thing. Neither were very arm intensive. I could also back squat over 1000 back then too.

Again, massive leg power; modest arm power.

You are funny - the world record for a clean and jerk is less than 600lb and the holder was 340lb.

ETA: and I got this from wikepidia (sorry!) - The heaviest Raw (unequipped) Squat (No Additional equipment except Knee wraps) is held by Robert Wilkerson (USA) with a best of 453.59 kg (1000 lb)

EccentricDad

check out this body weight routine. http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2009/12/09/beginner-body-weight-workout-burn-fat-build-muscle/

Thank you! I love nerdfitness, I read an article about Paleo on there. I will compare this to the other routine and see which I like better.

EccentricDad

I'm calling you on this. If you were squatting 1000 lbs you'd be setting world records. No one squats 1000 and benches 100.

Missed this part. No seriously, I could max squat over a 1000 lbs in high school. I could cling and jerk over 1300 too. But now, ask me to do reps with it and I wouldn't be able to. In football tech I spent the entire day on the leg machine while everyone else was benching and doing more uniform all over exercises. I couldn't do anything but use my legs. No joke. As far as my max on arms, I probably maxed out on bench press at 135.

lol wut?

Yeah, effed up I'm sure, but it's true. That's because cling and jerk is a momentum thing and squats was a balance on your shoulders and use your legs thing. Neither were very arm intensive. I could also back squat over 1000 back then too.

Again, massive leg power; modest arm power.

You are funny - the world record for a clean and jerk is less than 600lb and the holder was 340lb.

Le Sigh. Why is it everyone has to find that ONE thing that I said that can be disputed and go ON AND ON about it? Did you come to troll me or did you come to help?

Seriously, why would ANYONE post ANYTHING on these forums with people being so damn counterproductive to actually helping people?!?!? I've already stated over and over again that I'm a naive, sheltered, and sensitive guy. Like all of you, I will make mistakes but the difference is I'm not afraid to show my weaknesses; just do me a favor and respect that I am a flawed human being and please don't prey on my weaknesses.

Ms_Steel

Sarauk2sf

I'm calling you on this. If you were squatting 1000 lbs you'd be setting world records. No one squats 1000 and benches 100.

Missed this part. No seriously, I could max squat over a 1000 lbs in high school. I could cling and jerk over 1300 too. But now, ask me to do reps with it and I wouldn't be able to. In football tech I spent the entire day on the leg machine while everyone else was benching and doing more uniform all over exercises. I couldn't do anything but use my legs. No joke. As far as my max on arms, I probably maxed out on bench press at 135.

lol wut?

Yeah, effed up I'm sure, but it's true. That's because cling and jerk is a momentum thing and squats was a balance on your shoulders and use your legs thing. Neither were very arm intensive. I could also back squat over 1000 back then too.

Again, massive leg power; modest arm power.

You are funny - the world record for a clean and jerk is less than 600lb and the holder was 340lb.

Le Sigh. Why is it everyone has to find that ONE thing that I said that can be disputed and go ON AND ON about it? Did you come to troll me or did you come to help?

Seriously, why would ANYONE post ANYTHING on these forums with people being so damn counterproductive to actually helping people?!?!? I've already stated over and over again that I'm a naive, sheltered, and sensitive guy. Like all of you, I will make mistakes but the difference is I'm not afraid to show my weaknesses; just do me a favor and respect that I am a flawed human being and please don't prey on my weaknesses.

Stop posting BS and people will stop calling you out on it.....simples.


*sigh*

And BTW - its more than just one thing you said.

JenKillough

Cling & Jerk. :laugh: