Starvatio mode, excerices cals ect...

mmapags

From Troutman's website: http://body-improvements.com/resourc...starvationmode

yarwell

Adaptive thermogenesis in action on a 300 calorie intake with 25% weight loss :-

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Courtney_7790

you do realize that losing weight does little to prove that it's "sustainable" and "works for them" right? You do know the statistics regarding weight regain, right? Yeah, people can lose weight while not eating back their exercise calories but guess what...EVENTUALLY THEY WANT TO EAT MORE. And like you already conceded, that's when the weight regain starts. So yeah, maybe "starvation mode" is a little dramatic but the adaptive thermogenesis, that is very real, causes individuals to burn far less than one would predict and they become predisposed to weight regain once they've achieved their goal weight. read about that--there are lots of studies BY PEOPLE WITH PhDs that support the idea behind "starvation mode." Semantics aside...this is a well supported physiological principle and it would serve you well to read up on it instead of taking any/all advice simply because someone has the title "Dr." Many doctors are actually quite oblivious to the physiological consequences of eating a restricted calorie diet--overexercising--or a combination of the two.

Yes i do understand that thats why i said lost weight and lived a healthy lifestyle, i was meaning that they kept it off after the weight loss. and your actually reiterating alot of my statements about why you gain weight because you starving if you eat to low, the key of my point was that some people can survive their whole lives on 1200 calories or less, Please enough with the snarky comments, she is a great dr for me! you dont have to agree you may go to your own dr, look up your own articals, and do whatever you want and we may both have wonderful results. The world works because not everyone agrees and everyone is different so yes another dr may prove mine wrong, and it goes on and on. But just like many people i was sharing what i learned.

I feel that maybe your not understand what i was posting, she is not saying i need to eat less then 1200 or that it is healthy for most people i have said over and over it is not the normal but some people can. I was saying starvation mode is not what i have read many people to believe which is that you automatically go into when you go under 1200. Maybe some people just dont know that starvation mode is different for every person and eating 1000 calories isnt neccesarily going to put you in it.

chosengiver

Thanks for posting this I have never been able to eat back my calories and now I can stop trying so hard lol I have even lost friends over this nice to know she was just overreacting and well being a bit of a ***** lol

Lol glad you can rationalize your 0 net calorie diet based on a nonsensical forum post. Good luck on your "journey", I'm sure you will lose the weight and keep it off. :flowerforyou:

Do I smell SARCASM???? :laugh:

skylark94

To all those who support the 1200 calories per day, my question is why? Why eat only 1200 when you could accomplish the same thing by eating 1500 or 1700 or whatever. Why deprive yourself of fuel and the pleasure of food?

I started MFP as a 1200 calorie eating, breakfast every day, cardio queen. Yes, I lost a lot of weight in the beginning, but it didn't take long for me to come to a screeching halt and plateau. When I started exercising less, strength training more, and increased my calories to 1650 and eating back about 2/3rds of my exercise I started losing again.

This is not a sprint, people! Weight loss and lifetime maintenance takes time and a lifestyle that you can stick to. I don't know about you, but I LOVE being able to eat and drink and still lose weight.

ZoeLifts

An awesome thread from Steve Troutman who was referenced earlier in this thread. He is a highly respected fitness and nutrition expert and he discusses some things specifically related to adaptive thermogenesis and the long term consequences. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/746654-diet-breaks-and-loosening-the-reigns

This is what im talking about! I am so thankful for someone who has an artical and wants to actually explain their arguement, Just as he doesnt have to think im right none of you have to think my dr is right, but it is not uneducated and at least he has a reason to believe what he does. and I have no problem reading this as well.

I believe there have been 8 others on here that have also quoted articles, multiple times, to explain their arguments. Did you read the rest of the posts?

love4fitnesslove4food_wechange

you do realize that losing weight does little to prove that it's "sustainable" and "works for them" right? You do know the statistics regarding weight regain, right? Yeah, people can lose weight while not eating back their exercise calories but guess what...EVENTUALLY THEY WANT TO EAT MORE. And like you already conceded, that's when the weight regain starts. So yeah, maybe "starvation mode" is a little dramatic but the adaptive thermogenesis, that is very real, causes individuals to burn far less than one would predict and they become predisposed to weight regain once they've achieved their goal weight. read about that--there are lots of studies BY PEOPLE WITH PhDs that support the idea behind "starvation mode." Semantics aside...this is a well supported physiological principle and it would serve you well to read up on it instead of taking any/all advice simply because someone has the title "Dr." Many doctors are actually quite oblivious to the physiological consequences of eating a restricted calorie diet--overexercising--or a combination of the two.

Yes i do understand that thats why i said lost weight and lived a healthy lifestyle, i was meaning that they kept it off after the weight loss. and your actually reiterating alot of my statements about why you gain weight because you starving if you eat to low, the key of my point was that some people can survive their whole lives on 1200 calories or less, Please enough with the snarky comments, she is a great dr for me! you dont have to agree you may go to your own dr, look up your own articals, and do whatever you want and we may both have wonderful results. The world works because not everyone agrees and everyone is different so yes another dr may prove mine wrong, and it goes on and on. But just like many people i was sharing what i learned.

I feel that maybe your not understand what i was posting, she is not saying i need to eat less then 1200 or that it is healthy for most people i have said over and over it is not the normal but some people can. I was saying starvation mode is not what i have read many people to believe which is that you automatically go into when you go under 1200. Maybe some people just dont know that starvation mode is different for every person and eating 1000 calories isnt neccesarily going to put you in it.

well the people who think that 1200 calories = AUTOMATIC starvation mode are also ill-informed and rather silly. I just wanted you to be cautious of restricting your calories to unhealthy levels because you thought that's what your doctor was condoning. my apologies for it not being communicated in that way.

onyxgirl17

*facepalm*

UsedToBeHusky

I feel that maybe your not understand what i was posting, she is not saying i need to eat less then 1200 or that it is healthy for most people i have said over and over it is not the normal but some people can. I was saying starvation mode is not what i have read many people to believe which is that you automatically go into when you go under 1200. Maybe some people just dont know that starvation mode is different for every person and eating 1000 calories isnt neccesarily going to put you in it.

You are accurate in saying that if you eat under 1200 one day out of the month that you will NOT go into starvation mode. I really hate the term 'starvation mode.' What actually happens is that people eat at too great of a deficit end up cutting out important nutrients such as protein and unsaturated fats. When this occurs consistently over a long period of time, it triggers a hormonal reaction in the body. This reaction causes the body to release grehlin (which increases the appetite) and cortisol (a stress hormone that causes the body to perform more effeciently). The grehlin will force you to feel hungry ALL the time between meals. I was eating 6 times a day with a 1500 calorie goal and day after day succumbed to the hunger and would end up eating 2700 to 3500 calories a day. That is when I learned about grehlin and how eliminating fats from my diet (particularly the unsaturated fats) caused my body to release it to make me want more food. Also, cortisol causes the body to perform better with less energy. It is also released due to the lack of fats.

There is sooooo much more on the subject that I don't have time to cover here. I don't have any links that I can provide. I will recommend a book, however, the New Rules of Lifting for Women explains this in depth and great detail. I appreciate that you obviously have a pursuit for knowledge, but I encourage you not to stop with your doctor and nutritionist. Go to your public library. Do some Google searches. Keep looking for more information. Nutritional science is a HUGE field and there is much more to the subject than you are going to learn in an hour speaking to a certified nutritionist.

buda12345

why do so many people bash others when they post something trying to be helpful. there are more *kitten* in this world than good people. that's what I know.

Helloitsdan

First off I'd like to apologize to OP for her questions.

I was a ****!

I allowed Ivys post to piss me off and had to reap some souls over it.

If the 1200cal approach works for you then knock yourself out.

The #1 nutritionist?
Is that a state given or self proclaimed?

**** I'm the #1 nutritionist here on MFP then.
I don't follow any of that crap.
I've had some if the best advice from people on this site.
You just have to use the search button and sort through it.

Here you have OP asking legit questions then you have some twit come on talking about other people's EDs then describe in detail her own unhealthy eating.

That kinda set me off.

Again I hope you accept my apology and understand that I just care too ****ing much.

Courtney_7790

First off I'd like to apologize to OP for her questions.

I was a ****!

I allowed Ivys post to piss me off and had to reap some souls over it.

If the 1200cal approach works for you then knock yourself out.

The #1 nutritionist?
Is that a state given or self proclaimed?

**** I'm the #1 nutritionist here on MFP then.
I don't follow any of that crap.
I've had some if the best advice from people on this site.
You just have to use the search button and sort through it.

Here you have OP asking legit questions then you have some twit come on talking about other people's EDs then describe in detail her own unhealthy eating.

That kinda set me off.

Again I hope you accept my apology and understand that I just care too ****ing much.

I completly understand, and i really do appreciate your concern, I am open to learning more and am not set on what one person tells me even if it is her job. Thank you for your apology and I thank you for taking the time to try to explain why you disagree:)

Helloitsdan

;D

kathyms13

i am happy with my cal intake im loosing with it which knocks the starvation mode out the window, so do what is good for you and dont preach to others.

Danayle

Too funny! I don't know what I think about any of this, except that I would say there's some disrespect going on here. You can disagree in more of a respectful way than what I've seen on here.

nascarbettie

Thanks for sharing. You answered some questions I had.

delilah47

I don't believe starvation mode is a myth. The premise behind it explains my long years of yo-yo dieting. I'm not a professional and don't know the exact science behind it, but I do know from experience when I eat low calories, the minute I start eating anything like a "normal" healthy diet, I gain weight.

kathyms13

do kay mart sell guns

newtonuk

Thanks for sharing... I'll continue as I am thank you, and as it happens, most of what you have said it what I have discovered myself as well...

Plateau's happen, but that is just your body adjusting to its new climate, you need to step change to kick the weight loss off again.

Contrarian

I appreciate you sharing information with others, because I recognise that you are trying to help, but there is a lot of misinformation that your doctor gave you.

Let's make this simple; eat at a moderate calorie deficit and exercise. Meal timing is irrelevant. The recommended number of calories you consume should be based on your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE).

Often, people fail at getting fit because they make it too complicated. Simple is best, and while you may not like the way some posters refuted your doctor's advice, they were trying to help as much as you were.

mmapags

i am happy with my cal intake im loosing with it which knocks the starvation mode out the window,

For now. Everyone loses at first on a VLCD. The problems occur at 2 dfferent points. When you stay on it for an extended time and when you get tired of it and go back to eating at a more normal level. The first causes hormones to be out of whack and for your metabolism to down-regulate. The 2nd is that once your metabolism has down-regulated, you gain weight at what used to be your maintenance. And this down-regulation is difficult if not almost impossible to reverse.

So, feel free to be smug for now. You likely will not always be so.

Danayle

Sadly this is the first topic i read on here, and like all forums everywhere it's a play ground of idiots. A simple topic on what some one asked a doctor and what their answers where.

agree or disagree, but no, we have to be rude and say the dumbest thing that comes to mind. take it or leave it really!

why can't you say i believe this to be true, or this works for me, or working with this person he said this and that. So that the information grows and the readers can add all together can make up their own mind as what will work or not.

ugh, forums they will never change....but i knew a guy, and worked with a girl, and called a friend that know some one, who eat that, and I'm a this....so I'M RIGHT! dorks

Love the last paragraph of this! I will say that while I haven't been on here long, this is the nastiest I've seen people get. The other ones I've viewed have been more positive and supportive.

jarahs20

Thank you! You answered several questions I had.

vienna26

To all those who support the 1200 calories per day, my question is why? Why eat only 1200 when you could accomplish the same thing by eating 1500 or 1700 or whatever. Why deprive yourself of fuel and the pleasure of food?

I started MFP as a 1200 calorie eating, breakfast every day, cardio queen. Yes, I lost a lot of weight in the beginning, but it didn't take long for me to come to a screeching halt and plateau. When I started exercising less, strength training more, and increased my calories to 1650 and eating back about 2/3rds of my exercise I started losing again.

This is not a sprint, people! Weight loss and lifetime maintenance takes time and a lifestyle that you can stick to. I don't know about you, but I LOVE being able to eat and drink and still lose weight.

couldnt of said it better myself :-)) i eat more and still lose weight its a win win situation

Helloitsdan

i am happy with my cal intake im loosing with it which knocks the starvation mode out the window, so do what is good for you and dont preach to others.

Kathy don't you have a legitimate reason for VLCD?
And
Have you started pole dancing yet?
I'm ready to buy tix!

SHBoss1673

Adaptive thermogenesis in action on a 300 calorie intake with 25% weight loss :-

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I hope everyone looks at this graph correctly. See the two little slashes in the timeline across the horizontal axis? That means time laps, notice how the shaded area is no longer shown after it, it means they are no longer in the period of fasting and the metabolic rate begins to go up again. I.E. no eat, burn less calories for a baseline, eat, burn more calories as a baseline (all while in deficit mind you).

tobnrn

So many people giving such great advise. I am surprised at how many prefer to eat so low.

The way a question is posed to a nutritionist or dr makes all the difference. They are working off the limited data provided by a patient with some basic assumptions. They dont know everything. Thats why its the PRACTICE of medicine. Take what they say & research it yourself.

Helloitsdan

Adaptive thermogenesis in action on a 300 calorie intake with 25% weight loss :-

I hope everyone looks at this graph correctly. See the two little slashes in the timeline across the horizontal axis? That means time laps, notice how the shaded area is no longer shown after it, it means they are no longer in the period of fasting and the metabolic rate begins to go up again. I.E. no eat, burn less calories for a baseline, eat, burn more calories as a baseline (all while in deficit mind you).
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DUDE!
The first rule of adaptive thermogenesis is we DON'T TALK ABOUT ADAPTIVE THERMOGENESIS!

beachlover317

You have Iron, mma, Dan and Sara on here doing their dead level best to not allow yet another misguided, ill-informed post on this topic ooze its way onto the forums unchecked. They're right and for the life of me I can't understand how they can still be arsed enough to care. Consider yourselves lucky. Learn something.

I would add SHBoss, Usedtobehusky and psulemon to your list also. Gotta fight BS where you find it!

I THANK ALL OF YOU LISTED ABOVE! I have been here since April 2012 - without Dan first and foremost and reading the other's posts mentioned here, I would have quit. 1200 cals - working out like a demon 6 days a week (and just cardio OMG). I was so burned out and hungry - the reason I have quit every other time!!! I am like artichoke, For the life of me I can't understand where these guys get their patience day in and day out!!! I'm just thankful, every day, for each of them.

mmapags

You have Iron, mma, Dan and Sara on here doing their dead level best to not allow yet another misguided, ill-informed post on this topic ooze its way onto the forums unchecked. They're right and for the life of me I can't understand how they can still be arsed enough to care. Consider yourselves lucky. Learn something.

I would add SHBoss, Usedtobehusky and psulemon to your list also. Gotta fight BS where you find it!

I THANK ALL OF YOU LISTED ABOVE! I have been here since April 2012 - without Dan first and foremost and reading the other's posts mentioned here, I would have quit. 1200 cals - working out like a demon 6 days a week (and just cardio OMG). I was so burned out and hungry - the reason I have quit every other time!!! I am like artichoke, For the life of me I can't understand where these guys get their patience day in and day out!!! I'm just thankful, every day, for each of them.

Thanks so much! That was very sweet.