Demonization
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yes that is correct, why bother even telling you , just a whole bunch of sarcastic people on here anyway , that can't even take my question seriously , anyway I'm sure you heard the answer to your question already....you just don't know it......
why in the world would i want to stupidly drop out valuable information , that you wouldn't even understand , just to put it out there i ain't no religious freak
Yeah , before that demon comes to my front door , I'll make sure it doesn't even step into my property, i'll slice it up , and tell it to go to the pit of Hell"There's a devil waiting outside your door (How much longer) Bucking and braying and pawing the floor Well, he's howling with pain and crawling up the walls There's a devil waiting outside your door He's weak with evil and broken by the world He's shouting your name and asking for more There's a devil waiting outside your door"
Nick Cave "Loverman"
Ok, I'll humor you here, how does one identify a demon, let alone slice one up?
So hypothetically speaking, I could see a demon tomorrow but wouldn't know it and risk serious injury because you won't share a little information?0 -
A wise person does not say "I have found THE truth", they say "I have found A truth".
Too many people of *all* beliefs, including lack thereof, forget this.
So your definition is THE definition of wise? Hmm....
Yes. Deal with it, sunshine.
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AWESSOOMMEE!!! now that's a story!
Yes, they exist.Do you believe in demons? , if yes what would you do if one was standing in front of you?
On a family camping trip a couple years ago we had a very frightening supernatural experience.
I felt the presence of evil at our campsite as soon as we got there, but because we were so busy with the children and setting up the camp, and because I was not expecting anything wrong, I said nothing, never had a "chance" to tell my husband. But I did pray!
That night, long story short, we were terribly harrassed, and it was bone-shaking and incapacitating fear. My husband saw a demon.
I'd like to say we are not like this usually!
We were both praying together by that time.
I did not act on my fear, but rather waited to hear from God about what we should do.
I believe if I had not waited, I would have run right into the danger. Instead, I feel we were delivered from death, as this thing wanted to kill all of us.
So, what would I do? Cry out to God and wait on His instruction.0 -
yes that is correct, why bother even telling you , just a whole bunch of sarcastic people on here anyway , that can't even take my question seriously , anyway I'm sure you heard the answer to your question already....you just don't know it......
why in the world would i want to stupidly drop out valuable information , that you wouldn't even understand , just to put it out there i ain't no religious freak
Yeah , before that demon comes to my front door , I'll make sure it doesn't even step into my property, i'll slice it up , and tell it to go to the pit of Hell"There's a devil waiting outside your door (How much longer) Bucking and braying and pawing the floor Well, he's howling with pain and crawling up the walls There's a devil waiting outside your door He's weak with evil and broken by the world He's shouting your name and asking for more There's a devil waiting outside your door"
Nick Cave "Loverman"
Ok, I'll humor you here, how does one identify a demon, let alone slice one up?
So hypothetically speaking, I could see a demon tomorrow but wouldn't know it and risk serious injury because you won't share a little information?
I tried being understanding and not being sarcastic, oh well.0 -
Oooohhhhh, I love that you're getting all philosophical. I'm in.A wise person does not say "I have found THE truth", they say "I have found A truth". Too many people of *all* beliefs, including lack thereof, forget this.
Well, it seems like you are making a judgment about the nature of all truth. For instance, if I ask you if your comments are “true,” you would, I think, say, “yes.” If I ask if they are “true” about every conviction about what is “true,” I suspect you would answer “yes” again. Doesn’t that mean that you are standing in judgment above all “truth-claims” and saying something that is true about everything humans can know? In that sense, even though you don’t use the word, you seem to be claiming to have the perfect perspective from which you can declare to everyone that they are not “wise” if they claim to have a supreme vantage-point from which to determine the truth about things although, in order to be “truth,” you have to have a supreme vantage point in order to make such a universal declaration. Your comments, then, are self-contradictory (i.e., “I know it to be THE TRUTH that all claims of truth are merely “a” truth and not THE TRUTH”). In order to avoid contradiction, you would have to admit that it is theoretically possible that someone can find a universal perspective or “truth” that applies to or gives insight into everything.
Yes, in theory, it is possible for one or more human beings to hold the grand universal truth. The problem with that, is who really has it?
The atheist person of pure science may reject any notion of spirituality, religion, any higher power. Their grand unified theory of everything is math, probability, evolution, etc. They think they're right.
The devout Hindu believes that Brahma created all, Vishnu sustains, Siva destroys. To them, this explains everything. They think they're right.
The Catholic believes that God the Creator, well, created. That's their answer. And that Jesus died, was rised, and walked bodily into heaven through transubstantiation.
Who's right?
*crickets*
Thought so. Now can someone tell me why I get pissed that someone might come tell me they have the one truth, the one path to salvation?
I'm not without my own faith and set of beliefs. But they're not for discussion here.0 -
pour a circle of salt around my feet.0
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A wise person does not say "I have found THE truth", they say "I have found A truth".
Too many people of *all* beliefs, including lack thereof, forget this.
So your definition is THE definition of wise? Hmm....
Yes. Deal with it, sunshine.
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No, I'm not meaning to insult religious people *at all*. I just grow weary of people who insist upon their beliefs as being the one and only way.
And it's too cold out for any public wagging. Today, at least.
A wise person does not say "I have found THE truth", they say "I have found A truth".
Too many people of *all* beliefs, including lack thereof, forget this.
and THIS is why we are friends.
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oh whoa wait - why so serious - this is chit chat fun and games not ... something else.0
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oh whoa wait - why so serious - this is chit chat fun and games not ... something else.
How about....
Creepy, Frightful, and Ghastly0 -
I would be more afraid of angels than demons. Angels have a much higher kill count in the Bible.0
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AWESSOOMMEE!!! now that's a story!
Yes, they exist.Do you believe in demons? , if yes what would you do if one was standing in front of you?
On a family camping trip a couple years ago we had a very frightening supernatural experience.
I felt the presence of evil at our campsite as soon as we got there, but because we were so busy with the children and setting up the camp, and because I was not expecting anything wrong, I said nothing, never had a "chance" to tell my husband. But I did pray!
That night, long story short, we were terribly harrassed, and it was bone-shaking and incapacitating fear. My husband saw a demon.
I'd like to say we are not like this usually!
We were both praying together by that time.
I did not act on my fear, but rather waited to hear from God about what we should do.
I believe if I had not waited, I would have run right into the danger. Instead, I feel we were delivered from death, as this thing wanted to kill all of us.
So, what would I do? Cry out to God and wait on His instruction.
that's not a "story"...that was "I saw one, god saved me", that's all.....
What did it sound like? Smell like? Look like? Corporeal or Ethereal?
Was it throwing things around the campsite?, shredded your tent with talons? Roaring? Speaking in tongues? Gutterral growls or audible words? Cold? Heat?
Sounds more to me like:
"I had a creepy feeling. My husband heard an owl hoot or a chipmunk rustle in the bushes, so we thought it was a demon and prayed. god must have saved us because nothing killed us, therefore god is real. The end."0 -
pouring salt around you in a shape of a circle , doesn't stop them , in fact that attracts them even more0
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"I had a creepy feeling. My husband heard an owl hoot or a chipmunk rustle in the bushes, so we thought it was a demon and prayed. god must have saved us because nothing killed us, therefore god is real. The end."
Not quite. They "sensed" the evil before it started, so in effect, they primed themselves for what they later "experienced."0 -
Are you curious and want to know more?
AWESSOOMMEE!!! now that's a story!
Yes, they exist.Do you believe in demons? , if yes what would you do if one was standing in front of you?
On a family camping trip a couple years ago we had a very frightening supernatural experience.
I felt the presence of evil at our campsite as soon as we got there, but because we were so busy with the children and setting up the camp, and because I was not expecting anything wrong, I said nothing, never had a "chance" to tell my husband. But I did pray!
That night, long story short, we were terribly harrassed, and it was bone-shaking and incapacitating fear. My husband saw a demon.
I'd like to say we are not like this usually!
We were both praying together by that time.
I did not act on my fear, but rather waited to hear from God about what we should do.
I believe if I had not waited, I would have run right into the danger. Instead, I feel we were delivered from death, as this thing wanted to kill all of us.
So, what would I do? Cry out to God and wait on His instruction.
that's not a "story"...that was "I saw one, god saved me", that's all.....
What did it sound like? Smell like? Look like? Corporeal or Ethereal?
Was it throwing things around the campsite?, shredded your tent with talons? Roaring? Speaking in tongues? Gutterral growls or audible words? Cold? Heat?
Sounds more to me like:
"I had a creepy feeling. My husband heard an owl hoot or a chipmunk rustle in the bushes, so we thought it was a demon and prayed. god must have saved us because nothing killed us, therefore god is real. The end."
Or just sarcastic and mocking?
I did not want to start out with a wall of text.0 -
even as an atheist I should probably believe in jesus and demons, I mean hey, if jesus took the time to show up on some fat chick's grilled cheese sandwich he must be real right ??0
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even as an atheist I should probably believe in jesus and demons, I mean hey, if jesus took the time to show up on some fat chick's grilled cheese sandwich he must be real right ??
If she didn't eat the sammich, it must have been a miracle.
Personally I don't believe in miracles. I'm more of a Nearicles guy.0 -
Yes, in theory, it is possible for one or more human beings to hold the grand universal truth. The problem with that, is who really has it?
The atheist person of pure science may reject any notion of spirituality, religion, any higher power. Their grand unified theory of everything is math, probability, evolution, etc. They think they're right.
The devout Hindu believes that Brahma created all, Vishnu sustains, Siva destroys. To them, this explains everything. They think they're right.
The Catholic believes that God the Creator, well, created. That's their answer. And that Jesus died, was rised, and walked bodily into heaven through transubstantiation.
Who's right?
*crickets*
Thought so. Now can someone tell me why I get pissed that someone might come tell me they have the one truth, the one path to salvation?
I'm not without my own faith and set of beliefs. But they're not for discussion here.
Even if no one can answer your question that does not mean there is not an answer. That’s all I was disputing. Logically you cannot exclude the possibility of there being a supreme “truth” or vantage-point from which to see everything else.
As a Christian, my love for Christ is, I believe, based on his beauty and radiance. Of course, as you point out, a Hindu or whatever might make the same claims (although I rather doubt they would do so in these words). The fact that they make counter-claims, though, does not mean mine are false. Obviously two people can claim to be right and only one be objectively right (or both be wrong, of course). As I live in light of Christ as “truth,” I find it provides a compelling, consistent, meaningful, satisfying, coherent, and beautiful (when correctly understand) approach to reality. Unless and until someone can show me a better path or why I should discard Christian faith, I think I am justified in embracing the claim of Christ to be the “way, THE TRUTH, and the life.”0 -
pouring salt around you in a shape of a circle , doesn't stop them , in fact that attracts them even more
you are my new favorite person on MFP.0 -
oh whoa wait - why so serious - this is chit chat fun and games not ... something else.
Awwww, we're just having a serious chit-chat now.0 -
pouring salt around you in a shape of a circle , doesn't stop them , in fact that attracts them even more
Is that in the bible? I may have missed that...0 -
I would be more afraid of angels than demons. Angels have a much higher kill count in the Bible.
Seriously, angels are an army, there here to battle, I would agree with this too. But to the OP, you simply asked if we believed in demons, and you did not ask abiut religion, so I understand the question. My answer would be yes. And I would freak if I saw one at my door!0 -
WOW!!! that's all....that's the best part when God saves them ^-^
AWESSOOMMEE!!! now that's a story!
Yes, they exist.Do you believe in demons? , if yes what would you do if one was standing in front of you?
On a family camping trip a couple years ago we had a very frightening supernatural experience.
I felt the presence of evil at our campsite as soon as we got there, but because we were so busy with the children and setting up the camp, and because I was not expecting anything wrong, I said nothing, never had a "chance" to tell my husband. But I did pray!
That night, long story short, we were terribly harrassed, and it was bone-shaking and incapacitating fear. My husband saw a demon.
I'd like to say we are not like this usually!
We were both praying together by that time.
I did not act on my fear, but rather waited to hear from God about what we should do.
I believe if I had not waited, I would have run right into the danger. Instead, I feel we were delivered from death, as this thing wanted to kill all of us.
So, what would I do? Cry out to God and wait on His instruction.
that's not a "story"...that was "I saw one, god saved me", that's all.....
What did it sound like? Smell like? Look like? Corporeal or Ethereal?
Was it throwing things around the campsite?, shredded your tent with talons? Roaring? Speaking in tongues? Gutterral growls or audible words? Cold? Heat?
Sounds more to me like:
"I had a creepy feeling. My husband heard an owl hoot or a chipmunk rustle in the bushes, so we thought it was a demon and prayed. god must have saved us because nothing killed us, therefore god is real. The end."0 -
Been in the presence of a 'real demon'.
I have never been so terrified in my life.
I mean, soul crushing terror. It wasn't focused on me. It went after someone I was with and... yeah. I won't talk much more about it but I can tell you that I believe after witnessing that. I most definitely believe.
How'd you meet my ex?
Bad luck. :P0 -
pouring salt around you in a shape of a circle , doesn't stop them , in fact that attracts them even more
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Are you curious and want to know more?
Or just sarcastic and mocking?
I did not want to start out with a wall of text.
honestly curious...The questions I asked, THAT's the STORY!
"we were harassed" tells NOTHING.
What HAPPENED?
You can leave out stuff about praying and god and stuff...just tell me everything you actually saw, smelled, heard, felt, etc.0 -
Skeleton Key scared the crap out of me though.0
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pouring salt around you in a shape of a circle , doesn't stop them , in fact that attracts them even more
*checks my sodium count for the past.. forever*
It's settled. I am in fact a demon.0 -
Yes, in theory, it is possible for one or more human beings to hold the grand universal truth. The problem with that, is who really has it?
The atheist person of pure science may reject any notion of spirituality, religion, any higher power. Their grand unified theory of everything is math, probability, evolution, etc. They think they're right.
The devout Hindu believes that Brahma created all, Vishnu sustains, Siva destroys. To them, this explains everything. They think they're right.
The Catholic believes that God the Creator, well, created. That's their answer. And that Jesus died, was rised, and walked bodily into heaven through transubstantiation.
Who's right?
*crickets*
Thought so. Now can someone tell me why I get pissed that someone might come tell me they have the one truth, the one path to salvation?
I'm not without my own faith and set of beliefs. But they're not for discussion here.
Even if no one can answer your question that does not mean there is not an answer. That’s all I was disputing. Logically you cannot exclude the possibility of there being a supreme “truth” or vantage-point from which to see everything else.
As a Christian, my love for Christ is, I believe, based on his beauty and radiance. Of course, as you point out, a Hindu or whatever might make the same claims (although I rather doubt they would do so in these words). The fact that they make counter-claims, though, does not mean mine are false. Obviously two people can claim to be right and only one be objectively right (or both be wrong, of course). As I live in light of Christ as “truth,” I find it provides a compelling, consistent, meaningful, satisfying, coherent, and beautiful (when correctly understand) approach to reality. Unless and until someone can show me a better path or why I should discard Christian faith, I think I am justified in embracing the claim of Christ to be the “way, THE TRUTH, and the life.”
Never said you weren't. Never said your path, for you, is wrong. But just don't come to my house and tell me I'm wrong in my beliefs. That has been my point.0 -
Everyone's entitled to their beliefs, but they should be treated like your genitalia - kept to yourself and others that want to see it.
I HAVE to steal this quote.0
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