Fruit Makes you Fat
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Oh, the good ole Media. Taking a sliver of truth, and turning it into wild untrue proclomations.0
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Fruits contains fructose and high fructose corn syrup is MUCH worse for the body than table sugar, so fruit must be bad...right?
DEAR GOD.
But actually, relevant to the topic: http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/89/6/2963.long0 -
Oh man, no wonder I didn't lose 45 pounds in the last 6 months.
Oh, wait, I did.
Fruit does not make you fat.
TOO MUCH of anything makes you fat.0 -
:laugh: this is an article from the dailyfail0
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Fruit junkie right here and 81 pounds down so far! :bigsmile:0
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I hate reading this after I JUST ate a banana & was feeling sort of proud of myself for it -__-
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Actualy this agrees with what my doctor told me. She said that if I wanted to lose weight I should avoid sugar because it is the sugar that causes the fat to stay on. She recommended that I never eat anything with more than 5g of sugar in it, including fruit. So this would rule out apples and bananas for example. A typical banana has a whopping 16g of sugar in it which is the equivalent of 4 sugar cubes.
I used to eat about 3 apples a day, but now I have cut them out completely.
oh boy....0 -
No food makes you fat but eating too much of almost any food does. I've lost a lot of weight and I haven't given up anything I like; I'm just careful of how much I eat.0
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Hahahaha!!! This is amazing.
But seriously. Just like not too long ago they were freaking out about eggs being worse for you than cigarettes. Ha! Right.0 -
I'm with them.0 -
Actualy this agrees with what my doctor told me. She said that if I wanted to lose weight I should avoid sugar because it is the sugar that causes the fat to stay on. She recommended that I never eat anything with more than 5g of sugar in it, including fruit. So this would rule out apples and bananas for example. A typical banana has a whopping 16g of sugar in it which is the equivalent of 4 sugar cubes.
I came to the same conclusion on my own through self experimenting. In my case, I seem to be sensitive to fructose, so my appetite is strongly increased when I eat fruit or root vegetables with >5-6 g. But I am strongly sensitive to sugars, so in my case, I do overeat on fruit, and I am for sure not the type to eat half an apple a day or a 1/2 cup of berries. I eat fruit by the bucket if I let myself have at it & can't stop till I went through at least 2-3 different fruits (that's 6-8 servings). It did not exactly made me fat (my beloved fruit pastries, on the other hand....), but it stalled my weight loss and unsettled blood sugar and increased hunger.
So, if you are struggling, eliminating fruit is one of the things to try.0 -
FFS its in the Daily Mail, no one takes anything they print seriously.0
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Me too love grapes but I'm not losing, 'm starting to think it is the fruit :sad:Fruit junkie right here and 81 pounds down so far! :bigsmile:0 -
Hmm, how did I get up to 220 pounds then? I hardly ever ate fruit! Couldn't have been the soda, pizza, chips and chocolate. Sheesh, what a load of dung. Yes, fruit has sugar, but eating an apple is NOT the same as eating several tablespoons of sugar. For one, there is the added fiber, vitamins and nutrients in the apple. For two, your body actually needs some sugar to be healthy (ditto on fat, in case anyone didn't know that), and the sugar that naturally occurs in food is not the same as the sugar in your candy bar.
Common sense people! For the, very few, people who have a medical reason to avoid sugar, by all means limit or avoid fruit. For the rest of us, EVERYTHING in moderation, healthy or not.0 -
Actualy this agrees with what my doctor told me. She said that if I wanted to lose weight I should avoid sugar because it is the sugar that causes the fat to stay on. She recommended that I never eat anything with more than 5g of sugar in it, including fruit. So this would rule out apples and bananas for example. A typical banana has a whopping 16g of sugar in it which is the equivalent of 4 sugar cubes.
I used to eat about 3 apples a day, but now I have cut them out completely.
How would you or your doctor explain my 53 pound weight loss then? My diet is 90% fruit.0 -
Hmm, how did I get up to 220 pounds then? I hardly ever ate fruit! Couldn't have been the soda, pizza, chips and chocolate. Sheesh, what a load of dung. Yes, fruit has sugar, but eating an apple is NOT the same as eating several tablespoons of sugar. For one, there is the added fiber, vitamins and nutrients in the apple. For two, your body actually needs some sugar to be healthy (ditto on fat, in case anyone didn't know that), and the sugar that naturally occurs in food is not the same as the sugar in your candy bar.
Common sense people! For the, very few, people who have a medical reason to avoid sugar, by all means limit or avoid fruit. For the rest of us, EVERYTHING in moderation, healthy or not.
For normal individuals, eating fruit is fine and beneficial. But eating sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup can put one in danger of developing obesity and the metabolic derangement that follows. The fructose in one can of soda is equivalent to the amount of fructose in a dozen oranges. No one sits down to a meal of 12 oranges but someone could easily drink a couple of sodas per day and set off the weight gain (fat gain) that precipitates metabolic problems.
Research shows that it isn't the fruit that is the problem---it's the fructose (fruit sugar). Most obese people have a toxic reaction to fructose---in them it seems to turn on a "switch" that creates fatty liver, high blood pressure, internal and subcutaneous fat, insulin resistance, diabetes, etc. Since table sugar is 50% fructose, it should be avoided by obese individuals. They should also avoid all processed food which can often contain a surprisingly large amount of high fructose corn syrup. This fat gain in response to eating fructose appears to be a normal mammalian response. Black bears gorge on wild blueberries at the end of summer and put on a LOT of fat in the process. But then, that is what keeps them alive during the winter hibernation. Since we do not hibernate, the body fat continues to pile on and it makes people sick and sluggish.
What is worse is that the research also shows that many obese individuals have an ability to turn blood glucose into fructose using the "polyol mechanism" and from there, the fructose does its damage. Obese individuals typically have high blood uric acid levels (anything above 3.5 mg/ml for men or 4.5 mg/ml for women) that seems to be involved with the "toxic fructose syndrome" of obesity. One way to measure whether you have this toxic reaction to fructose is to have your uric acid level checked. Anything above 3,5 for men or 4,5 for women is now considered to be an indicator that this "fat switch" has been turned on in you. While 5.5 mg/ml is about "average", it should be noted that the "average" person over 40 is either "overfat" or even obese. This correlates well with the fact that uric acid levels tend to climb with age, and that body fat levels climb even if weight does not (muscles shrink and that muscle weight is replaced with fat). Some people have uric acid levels of about 10 or 11 mg/ml. At that level, they will also have other health effects like gout, gouty arthritis, kidney damage and possibly even kidney failure, if not treated. Ironically, a classic, non-drug treatment for high uric acid levels is to drink black cherry juice---there is an enzyme in cherries that inhibits the production of uric acid. BUT black cherry juice is very high in fructose! Sour cherry juice has similar benefits but without the high level of fructose. Only 2 oz, per day is required to help lower blood uric acid levels. But a lower carb--low purine diet is a better plan for lowering uric acid over the longer term. The lowering of body fat and the down-regulation of uric acid will, in time, turn off the "fat switch".0 -
Actualy this agrees with what my doctor told me. She said that if I wanted to lose weight I should avoid sugar because it is the sugar that causes the fat to stay on. She recommended that I never eat anything with more than 5g of sugar in it, including fruit. So this would rule out apples and bananas for example. A typical banana has a whopping 16g of sugar in it which is the equivalent of 4 sugar cubes.
I used to eat about 3 apples a day, but now I have cut them out completely.
How would you or your doctor explain my 53 pound weight loss then? My diet is 90% fruit.
You probably don't have the "toxic fructose syndrome" that others have.0 -
I hate reading this after I JUST ate a banana & was feeling sort of proud of myself for it -__-
I had a peanut butter banana sandwich for lunch. It's all good as long as it keeps your stats in line!0 -
Those researchers who are investigating the effects of fructose consumption on fat gain recommend that obese individuals eat no added sugar or processed food, keep their total daily carbohydrate consumption below 100 grams (but you shouldn't go below 60 grams to avoid going into ketosis) and that they limit their fructose consumption to 15 grams or less per day. Low fructose fruits include grapefruit, peaches, nectarines, strawberries, blackberries, blueberries, oranges and cantaloupe. High fructose fruits include apples, grapes, cherries and pears (but you can still get the substantial benefits of these fruits by just eating a smaller portion of them--for example, a half of an apple instead of a whole one after dinner). Dried fruits are especially high in fructose (though they are also high in nutrients) and one would want to severely limit their consumption if obese. Since most vegetables have very low levels of fructose, they can be eaten without limit. Exercise---particularly weight training (because it builds muscle) is especially beneficial to "turn off the fat switch". But most obese individuals I have interviewed say that they "hate vegetables"---and that they "hate exercising"---probably why we are in the shape we are in. 0
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Actualy this agrees with what my doctor told me. She said that if I wanted to lose weight I should avoid sugar because it is the sugar that causes the fat to stay on. She recommended that I never eat anything with more than 5g of sugar in it, including fruit. So this would rule out apples and bananas for example. A typical banana has a whopping 16g of sugar in it which is the equivalent of 4 sugar cubes.
I used to eat about 3 apples a day, but now I have cut them out completely.
How would you or your doctor explain my 53 pound weight loss then? My diet is 90% fruit.
You probably don't have the "toxic fructose syndrome" that others have.
Your longer post was an interesting read but what you say seems a bit improbable to me -
You say that 'Most obese people have a toxic reaction to fructose' and reason that I've lost weight by eating fruit because 'You probably don't have the "toxic fructose syndrome" that others have'. I can accept that there is a possibility that although 'most' obese people have this reaction I just might be one of the few that don't. I might just have stumbled upon a way of eating that fits with my beliefs,lifestyle and tastebuds, and through a fluke it works for me but wouldn't work for 'most' obese people. You would think if that was the case I would be in a tiny minority of obese people who could lose weight this way. If you google '80/10/10 weight loss' you will find pages and pages of examples of other freaks like me who happened to be obese but were just lucky that they didn't have this 'toxic fructose syndrome'. What are the chances that all those people who chose to eat this way just happened to be the ones that didn't have this syndrome? And those examples are only the ones who have chosen to go public on a website with their eating habits. Many, many more people are doing it but don't feel the need to broadcast it in public.
So sorry, I'm not buying your theory. I'm not a scientist so I'm not knocking that this toxic fructose syndrome exists - it might well do, but I just don't believe that most obese people have it and out of the minority of people who are obese but don't have it, we all seem to have chosen to eat in 80/10/10 fashion.0 -
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I just choked on my coffee!!!! LOL0 -
Actualy this agrees with what my doctor told me. She said that if I wanted to lose weight I should avoid sugar because it is the sugar that causes the fat to stay on. She recommended that I never eat anything with more than 5g of sugar in it, including fruit. So this would rule out apples and bananas for example. A typical banana has a whopping 16g of sugar in it which is the equivalent of 4 sugar cubes.
I used to eat about 3 apples a day, but now I have cut them out completely.
How would you or your doctor explain my 53 pound weight loss then? My diet is 90% fruit.
You probably don't have the "toxic fructose syndrome" that others have.
Your longer post was an interesting read but what you say seems a bit improbable to me -
You say that 'Most obese people have a toxic reaction to fructose' and reason that I've lost weight by eating fruit because 'You probably don't have the "toxic fructose syndrome" that others have'. I can accept that there is a possibility that although 'most' obese people have this reaction I just might be one of the few that don't. I might just have stumbled upon a way of eating that fits with my beliefs,lifestyle and tastebuds, and through a fluke it works for me but wouldn't work for 'most' obese people. You would think if that was the case I would be in a tiny minority of obese people who could lose weight this way. If you google '80/10/10 weight loss' you will find pages and pages of examples of other freaks like me who happened to be obese but were just lucky that they didn't have this 'toxic fructose syndrome'. What are the chances that all those people who chose to eat this way just happened to be the ones that didn't have this syndrome? And those examples are only the ones who have chosen to go public on a website with their eating habits. Many, many more people are doing it but don't feel the need to broadcast it in public.
So sorry, I'm not buying your theory. I'm not a scientist so I'm not knocking that this toxic fructose syndrome exists - it might well do, but I just don't believe that most obese people have it and out of the minority of people who are obese but don't have it, we all seem to have chosen to eat in 80/10/10 fashion.
This isn't my theory---it is the most recent obesity research to hit the press. (This research was sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, btw...) You have probably severely limited fat consumption on your plan---and there is no doubt that severely limiting fat will take fat off of a person. But it is important to KEEP it off as well as take it off in the first place. If your muscle mass shrinks as a result of inadequate protein intake, you haven't done a lot for yourself in terms of keeping the fat off. While eating carbohydrates has a "protein sparing effect"---if you go below a normal level of protein (and fat) you will be missing vital nutrients and there could be several effects. One would be that you become ill from nutrient deficiency and the other is that you will give it up and go back to "normal" eating and gain it all back. Again, while eating a generous amount of fruit is beneficial for non-obese individuals, it can be not good at all for the obese.0 -
Actualy this agrees with what my doctor told me. She said that if I wanted to lose weight I should avoid sugar because it is the sugar that causes the fat to stay on. She recommended that I never eat anything with more than 5g of sugar in it, including fruit. So this would rule out apples and bananas for example. A typical banana has a whopping 16g of sugar in it which is the equivalent of 4 sugar cubes.
I used to eat about 3 apples a day, but now I have cut them out completely.
Right...And, everybody knows MD's are known to be experts on nutrition. Right?? ...Consider speaking to a licensed Nutrition expert, like a Registered Dietitian. Your perception is way off.0 -
I just choked on my coffee!!!! LOL
It is pretty funny---I always LOVED Gene Wilder. But, the food at McDonalds makes people fat in a variety of ways. Too much sugar, too much fat, too much salt (and high levels of sodium consumption are part of the obesity picture). One would be far better off eating a banana than a Big Mac (except that there is little protein in the banana). That certainly is true unless one were in need of some high quality protein. Then, the Big Mac (one could deny that the Big Mac was "high quality protein") would be more beneficial.0 -
Actualy this agrees with what my doctor told me. She said that if I wanted to lose weight I should avoid sugar because it is the sugar that causes the fat to stay on. She recommended that I never eat anything with more than 5g of sugar in it, including fruit. So this would rule out apples and bananas for example. A typical banana has a whopping 16g of sugar in it which is the equivalent of 4 sugar cubes.
I used to eat about 3 apples a day, but now I have cut them out completely.
Right...And, everybody knows MD's are known to be experts on nutrition. Right?? ...Consider speaking to a licensed Nutrition expert, like a Registered Dietitian. Your perception is way off.
Most RDs do not keep up with the newest medical research on diet and its effects on the body. That's not to say MDs do either but they have their observational pool that they follow over time.0 -
I don't mean to hog this thread but I think I need to reply.
OK, so it is not your theory. I don't buy whoever's theory it is, no matter who paid for the research.
Yes I do have limited fat intake on purpose. I get 80% of my calories from Carbs, 10% from Fat and 10% from protein. This might not be considered 'normal' but then again I don't consider the 'conventional' way of eating to be normal.
I have no concerns about nutrient deficiency. I get all the nutrients I need from the fruit and veg I consume. People have eaten this way for many decades and never succumbed to these 'illnesses' from lack of nutrition so I'm not worried either.
I chose to eat this way in order help with 2 medical conditions I have/had - high blood pressure and ME/CFS. I have eliminated both. I knew it would also be beneficial to me for weight loss and I really needed to do that but for me the most important reason for eating like this is to get rid of the 2 illnesses that had turned my life upside down. As it worked and I'm starting to get my life back again there is no way in the world that I will return to 'normal' eating, so for me this is long term and I know I'll never fall off the wagon because to do so would mean possibly returning to a life of misery and poverty blighted by illness.
I simply don't accept that eating fruit is 'not good at all for the obese'. It is the most natural food in the world that comes in a handy size, easy to eat and packed full of all the goodness a human needs. To suggest that it is not a suitable food for an obese person sounds totally absurd to me.0 -
alanbluecat,
You said: "OK, so it is not your theory. I don't buy whoever's theory it is, no matter who paid for the research."
The reason why I cited the sponsor of the research is to counter any suggestion that it is not serious research.
You said: "Yes I do have limited fat intake on purpose. I get 80% of my calories from Carbs, 10% from Fat and 10% from protein. This might not be considered 'normal' but then again I don't consider the 'conventional' way of eating to be normal."
Eating only 10% of calories from protein is pretty skimpy if you want to maintain muscle mass.
You said: "I have no concerns about nutrient deficiency. I get all the nutrients I need from the fruit and veg I consume. People have eaten this way for many decades and never succumbed to these 'illnesses' from lack of nutrition so I'm not worried either."
The fact remains that vegan diets tend to be protein deficient diets. I know a number of vegans who abandoned veganism on the advice of their doctor. Do you not eat any high quality protein (animal protein)? If so, vegetables and grains need to be carefully balanced to ensure adequate protein intake. Most vegans either do not have the knowledge to do it properly or are not motivated to do so.
You said: "I chose to eat this way in order help with 2 medical conditions I have/had - high blood pressure and ME/CFS. I have eliminated both. I knew it would also be beneficial to me for weight loss and I really needed to do that but for me the most important reason for eating like this is to get rid of the 2 illnesses that had turned my life upside down. As it worked and I'm starting to get my life back again there is no way in the world that I will return to 'normal' eating, so for me this is long term and I know I'll never fall off the wagon because to do so would mean possibly returning to a life of misery and poverty blighted by illness."
I congratulate you on your victory over high blood pressure and myalgic enchephalomyelits/ chronic fatigue syndrome. I also have lost weight and have had victory over my high blood pressure---using a lower-carb approach. My blood sugar/insulin response has also improved markedly.
You said: "I simply don't accept that eating fruit is 'not good at all for the obese'. It is the most natural food in the world that comes in a handy size, easy to eat and packed full of all the goodness a human needs. To suggest that it is not a suitable food for an obese person sounds totally absurd to me."
I actually was very careful to say that fruit is an excellent food for those who are not obese. But obese individuals---particularly, obese women, have a very tricky and nasty set of metabolic problems that require drastic action to get their body fat reduced. I eat fruit---I'm just careful to pick from the lower fructose fruit most of the time. And if I really want an apple, I eat just half of one and save the rest for later or share it. I also restrict carbs in general to 60-100 grams per day so that my body does not convert blood glucose into fructose. The very high blood glucose levels that I run when I eat a lot of carbs is deadly. Before insulin was discovered, the only treatment for juvenile diabetes was carbohydrate restriction---done to keep blood glucose levels down.0
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