Ketosis Diets???? LOW carb HIGH protein??? Weight Loss?
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Hi everyone!
I would like some information about 'Ketosis Diets' (Low Carb - High Protein). I could just Google it, but I'm more interested in personal opinions.
Does eating this way help with weight loss more substantially? How do you feel on this kind of diet? What is your energy level? I'm worried my energy levels will be affected.
What I read about ketosis diets is this
When you eat high amounts of protein and reduce your carbohydrate intake, your body goes into a state of ketosis. This means fat is being used for energy instead of carbohydrates.
I'd also be interested in meal ideas.
Thanks so much!
been there done that... its a bad diet, eat your carbohydrates0 -
I'm glad you found a method that works for you but I stand by every word I've said. I also don't have any issue with low carb diets as a tool/method for some people. But you cannot violate thermodynamics.
It's not just a method that works for me, there's entire forums of people that use this method quite effectively. There's thread after thread of success stories at many different paleo websites, so you shouldn't completely discount the fact that VLC method does work. While I do agree that on some diets there needs to be a deficit in calories, I don't think that method should be used for everyone. And I'm proud to say I'm a fat burner vs. a carb burner, there's a huge difference in how my body feels when I'm using fat as fuel vs. carbs. I'm just curious, have you ever tried implementing the paleo/primal way of eating?
First: Nowhere have I discounted whether or not a low carb diet works.
With no disrespect intended at all: a calorie deficit must exist to lose weight. It is not optional, it is mandatory. Now, if you choose a method that causes a deficit through satiety/food selection, then you can succeed without counting the calories. But energy intake must be less than expenditure, over time.
If you eat fewer carbs you burn more fat, but you also EAT more fat.
If you eat more carbs you burn less fat, but you also EAT less fat.
The above, essentially, is why it makes no difference.
If you feel better on your diet then have at it and enjoy your success.0 -
I love how the same anti-low carbers always jump in this discussions. Yes, low-carbing is soooo unhealthy (snark). Most of these same people who are anti-low carb support the following:
* eating approx. 1 gram protein for every pound of lean body mass
* eating healthy fats at about a half-gram per pound of lean body mass
* then filling in the rest of your calories for the day with healthy carbs
Guess what this describes? If you simply ensure that most of those healthy carbs are from non-starchy vegetables, you've described a great low-carb diet!
Soooo... If I get 300g from carbs on a daily basis from lettuce and broccoli, I'm on a low carb diet? O.o0 -
I love how the same anti-low carbers always jump in this discussions. Yes, low-carbing is soooo unhealthy (snark). Most of these same people who are anti-low carb support the following:
* eating approx. 1 gram protein for every pound of lean body mass
* eating healthy fats at about a half-gram per pound of lean body mass
* then filling in the rest of your calories for the day with healthy carbs
Guess what this describes? If you simply ensure that most of those healthy carbs are from non-starchy vegetables, you've described a great low-carb diet!
Soooo... If I get 300g from carbs on a daily basis from lettuce and broccoli, I'm on a low carb diet? O.o
Silly boy.
Are you a closet lettuce/broccoli binger?
Well, if you want to eat the 25.75 cups of chopped broccoli and 149.5 cups of chopped lettuce it would take to get 150 grams/carb from each to equal 300 grams of carb/day, I say you can go for it. I want to be there to watch.
And if you are a low-carber who subtracts fiber grams from the carb grams as many do, you would have to eat a lot more broccoli and lettuce than that to meet 300 grams/carb. Oy veh! Didn't figure out how many cups that is because it makes my stomach hurt just thinking about it.
However, also consider that this would be 1,577 calories. Let's say your calorie goal is 2000 calories that day. This would only leave you 423 calories for your protein and fats. I just don't see any way you could meet the macros and still stay within your calorie target. I suppose if you're someone who eats 3000+ calories a day it would be possible.
But, like I said, I want to watch. I'd be curious if someone could do that and not have their stomach explode. And better be close to the bathroom!0 -
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Like I said before, horses for courses ... what suits some people, doesn't work for others ... I have put on weight while religiously following diet programmes that have made people very wealthy - obviously, they work for some people!
What works for me is Atkins, the original. When I'm on programme - most of the time for the last three years - I only have 10-20g carbs per day. (Any more, and I don't lose weight.) And guess what?! I'm healthy, active and feel good on it. >>> And 60+kg lighter! <<<
When I'm "off the wagon" for festivals, holidays, birthdays, etc :drinker: - I eat heaps of carbs (I am a carboholic :ohwell: ) and I feel cr@ppy.
You know how they say alcoholics can give up drinking, and smokers can give up smoking, but we can't give up food? I can't do moderation, it is not my nature ... so, for me, it is easier to 'just say NO' to carbs :laugh:0 -
No, wrong. Being without carbs for "too long" will not hurt you. Carbs are the body's preferred energy source because they are the easiest to break down. Fat is just another energy source. People aren't giving the body's ability to adapt nearly enough credit.I did a ketosis diet for 3 months and i lost a good amount of weight. But i broke out in hives because of it for over a month. You can't go without carbs for too long without hurting yourself. Carbs are your main energy source for your body. Just eat healthy foods and stay in a calorie deficit and you'll lose weight.
Wrong...
Ur metabolism will slow down and carbs wont make u fat if ur in a caloric deficit..
Think before you post. Anatomically we are no different than our Homo Sapiens ancestors from 150,000 years ago. Do you think that those people, with zero knowledge of agriculture, had any way to stay out of ketosis for months on end? Unless they lived in a tropical environment (which some did, to be sure) there was no way at all to get carbs in any significant amount except during the month that trees and bushes were in fruit.
There was no wheat or grains being eaten. Essentially they lived on leaves and meat for 80% of the year. The fact that they thrived on this diet from weaning well into adulthood is evidenced by the fat that you and I are here now.
Moving a little closer to home, northern native people (Canadian first-nations, for example) until very recently, lived on a diet consisting entirely of fat and protein. Seal meat and fat, and fish were their entire diet. In the arctic, there's never a chance of stumbling upon an apple tree. They lived full, rich lives, and were likely in ketosis for most of it.
A low carb diet is not dangerous. Its normal.0 -
No, wrong. Being without carbs for "too long" will not hurt you. Carbs are the body's preferred energy source because they are the easiest to break down. Fat is just another energy source. People aren't giving the body's ability to adapt nearly enough credit.I did a ketosis diet for 3 months and i lost a good amount of weight. But i broke out in hives because of it for over a month. You can't go without carbs for too long without hurting yourself. Carbs are your main energy source for your body. Just eat healthy foods and stay in a calorie deficit and you'll lose weight.
Wrong...
Ur metabolism will slow down and carbs wont make u fat if ur in a caloric deficit..
Think before you post. Anatomically we are no different than our Homo Sapiens ancestors from 150,000 years ago. Do you think that those people, with zero knowledge of agriculture, had any way to stay out of ketosis for months on end? Unless they lived in a tropical environment (which some did, to be sure) there was no way at all to get carbs in any significant amount except during the month that trees and bushes were in fruit.
There was no wheat or grains being eaten. Essentially they lived on leaves and meat for 80% of the year. The fact that they thrived on this diet from weaning well into adulthood is evidenced by the fat that you and I are here now.
Moving a little closer to home, northern native people (Canadian first-nations, for example) until very recently, lived on a diet consisting entirely of fat and protein. Seal meat and fat, and fish were their entire diet. In the arctic, there's never a chance of stumbling upon an apple tree. They lived full, rich lives, and were likely in ketosis for most of it.
A low carb diet is not dangerous. Its normal.
Strong logic0 -
No, wrong. Being without carbs for "too long" will not hurt you. Carbs are the body's preferred energy source because they are the easiest to break down. Fat is just another energy source. People aren't giving the body's ability to adapt nearly enough credit.I did a ketosis diet for 3 months and i lost a good amount of weight. But i broke out in hives because of it for over a month. You can't go without carbs for too long without hurting yourself. Carbs are your main energy source for your body. Just eat healthy foods and stay in a calorie deficit and you'll lose weight.
Wrong...
Ur metabolism will slow down and carbs wont make u fat if ur in a caloric deficit..
Think before you post. Anatomically we are no different than our Homo Sapiens ancestors from 150,000 years ago. Do you think that those people, with zero knowledge of agriculture, had any way to stay out of ketosis for months on end? Unless they lived in a tropical environment (which some did, to be sure) there was no way at all to get carbs in any significant amount except during the month that trees and bushes were in fruit.
There was no wheat or grains being eaten. Essentially they lived on leaves and meat for 80% of the year. The fact that they thrived on this diet from weaning well into adulthood is evidenced by the fat that you and I are here now.
Moving a little closer to home, northern native people (Canadian first-nations, for example) until very recently, lived on a diet consisting entirely of fat and protein. Seal meat and fat, and fish were their entire diet. In the arctic, there's never a chance of stumbling upon an apple tree. They lived full, rich lives, and were likely in ketosis for most of it.
A low carb diet is not dangerous. Its normal.
I would do more research as to what many ate during those times...hint...it was not low carb.0 -
^ Totally correct. Whatever the pros and cons may be on weight loss, the worst thing about going into ketosis is it gives you serious dog breath. If you don't mind that go for it.:happy:0
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I tried doing low carb when Atkins was popular...about 25 grams of carbs/day. Honestly I didn't lose much weight. (didn't have much to lose at the time) The plus was I was rarely hungry or had cravings. On the bad side...I was cranky and had bad breath! I also used processed low carb products like candy w/ sugar alcohol. I've found for me a quicker fat loss by eating lots of protein, fruits & veggies with a small amount of bread, pasta, candy... and beer.0
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Kind of amused by the "People feeling lethargic on LC diets" remarks.
I lost 140 pounds on LC and will keep doing it to lose the rest. I feel great, I eat a ton of veggies and I have ZERO issues with being lethargic or sluggish.
People think of low carb as the "I can eat all the cheese and bacon I want" diet, those are the ones who will fail.
You know veggies are carbs right? If you're eating a ton of them you may want to watch it.
Some folks do have performance issues on a low carb diet. Some don't.0 -
I can't fathom someone only eating 15-17 carbs a day! Really? That's like a small apple cored~! My son is Type 1 Diabetic and we have to weigh everything and he only gets less than that for a snack between his meals...to prevent high BS. WOW! Not for me...
It took some getting used to but I feel so much better and it's what works for my body. I've actually lowered the viral load in my body from my chronic illness over the past 3.5 months and have lost nearly 20lb so far.0 -
^ Totally correct. Whatever the pros and cons may be on weight loss, the worst thing about going into ketosis is it gives you serious dog breath. If you don't mind that go for it.:happy:
That isn't true for everyone, just like this diet doesn't work for everyone. My obsession with flossing probably helps, though.0 -
However, for my normal exercising which consists of a wide variety of things like heavy lifting, spinning, kickboxing, running (especially fartlek-style running on hills), sprints/stairs, lap swims, shorter bike rides of 15-20miles, etc.,(especially fartlek-style running on hills)fartlek-fart.
Very distracting.0 -
Blame the Swedes! 0
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Bumping to keep the link, to read later0
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I followed a ketosis diet (IDeal protein) for 10 weeks and loss 30 pounds! But i had to take vitamins (calcium, potassium, magnesium) and had to eat 4 cups of veggies a day, and a lot of protein.. probly 65g or so.
It was SO tough - no drinkiing, no fruit, but I leanred to cook for it and got sort of unadiccted to mindless eating.
After i lost the weight, i had to slowly incorporate fat and carbs into my diet, at breakfast, for 2 weeks. This was so inslulin levels were regulated or something like that..0 -
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Burke and hare would be proud0
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Ideal Protein would be considered a Ketosis diet/protocol. I've been on it 1 week and lost 11lbs to far. I would guess that the first couple of weeks is just water weight and body cleansing.
It's low carb, high protein, but not as crazy high protein as some programs.
It's pricey and very controlled (no cheating), but so far so good. Lots of testimonials state that on it I should be able to lose 20lbs/month without working out which sounds great to me.
I haven't been that hungry or have had crazy cravings like I had had on other programs.
I am going to commit to at least 2 months and see where I am at.
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I lost most of my weight about 150 pounds doing Low Carb/Keto diet. It was very successful for me. I've learned more about clean eating. So that is what I do now. I'd say I eat Paleo. But I eat whatever I want. I don't track calories. But I don't eat ANYTHING processed. No GMO, No MSG, no chemical food additives. I try to eat local as much as possible. And I've found I can maintain my weight very easily not having to track Carbs just by eating clean.0
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While the internet has dramatically changed our lives--in mostly a positive way--the bottom line is, it's not necessarily a good source of information for ANYTHING. Books do still have value. I only read the first page of responses and a couple I DISAGREED with and a couple I AGREED with, and one or two mentioned Phinney and Volek. I haven't read it, but I'm sure it is good. Gary Taubes also wrote a couple books on the subject. There's a great chapter toward the end of "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Taubes that takes about the chemistry and interaction of insulin, carbohydrates and fat cells. Essentially, fat cells are "told" by insulin to uptake more fat, so when insulin, and consequential carb/glucose levels are high, we gain fat.
The book also de-vilifies saturated fat and Cholestrol. Bottom line, when it comes to diet/health/weight loss, the science has become grossly incompetent from what I can gather.
Now in speaking in my own experience, the only problem I've had with a ketogenic diet is the cooking. I'm extremely lazy and I can't stand cooking EVERY. SINGLE. MEAL. Sometimes I just wanna order in, but there simply isn't anything can get cheap and quick that's also ketogenic.0 -
While the internet has dramatically changed our lives--in mostly a positive way--the bottom line is, it's not necessarily a good source of information for ANYTHING. Books do still have value. I only read the first page of responses and a couple I DISAGREED with and a couple I AGREED with, and one or two mentioned Phinney and Volek. I haven't read it, but I'm sure it is good. Gary Taubes also wrote a couple books on the subject. There's a great chapter toward the end of "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Taubes that takes about the chemistry and interaction of insulin, carbohydrates and fat cells. Essentially, fat cells are "told" by insulin to uptake more fat, so when insulin, and consequential carb/glucose levels are high, we gain fat.
The book also de-vilifies saturated fat and Cholestrol. Bottom line, when it comes to diet/health/weight loss, the science has become grossly incompetent from what I can gather.
Now in speaking in my own experience, the only problem I've had with a ketogenic diet is the cooking. I'm extremely lazy and I can't stand cooking EVERY. SINGLE. MEAL. Sometimes I just wanna order in, but there simply isn't anything can get cheap and quick that's also ketogenic.
LOL Taubes0 -
Here is the facts..
Does low carb work? Absolutley! You will indeed lose weight and fat.
Is it healthy? No, not really. Anytime you stress your body especially something like Ketosis can cause some unwanted additional side effects.
How does it work? Your body loves carbohydrates it is the preferred source of energy as it is quick and plentiful. If it has no carbohydarates the next step is too look for alternative energy sources which is fat! this does mean you will have depleted energy stores as using fat for fuel is a slow process, and since you will have little to no glycogen stores there is no chance of intense energy burst like you would get from carbohydrates. Your body will not get all the fuel it needs from fat so If your body has to use Protein for fuel it has to be converted from muscle, this is the last resort for the body and it puts stress on the body as it is converted in the liver. This is where Ketosis comes in, a process called gluconeogenesis converts protein to fuel you can only get abut 5-10% of the fuel you would get from carbohydrates so this why people often feel lethargic on low carb diets.
So in the end it is not ideal, but yes it does work. This is from experience as well as schooling as a Phys Ed Graduate and ACE certified trainer.
I'm saddened by the fact I can't find sources at the moment, but I have read stories of Ketogenic athletes that can do long and sustained exercise just fine. Even shattering records for marathon-like events. Also, I think you have a blatantly false claim in your thread, saying ketogenesis causes neoglucogenesis. The latter is caused by abnormally high levels of protein, without sufficient fat/carbs, while the former is the PROPER way to go as that is the ACCURATE diet to have. Neoglucogenesis doesn't happen, and purely fat burning occurs.0 -
Most weight lost on a ketosis diet is water weight. Sure, you burn SOME fat, but all in all it's water, and here's why. When you cut carbs low enough to go into a state of ketosis, you're liver produces ketones to be used for energy since your body lacks the carbs it needs to produce energy. This in turn causes your liver to over load itself, and if kept on this diet long enough, could cause liver damage. Since your liver is what filters your urine, more water is used to try to keep your liver cleaned out of the ketones, which are very acidic. (ketoacidosis) Instead of trying all these fad diets, why not just have a lifestyle? everything in moderation, eat clean as much as possible, and the more fruits and veggies the better, without of course being a full on vegetarian.
This whole post is LOL.....................long term ketosis doesn't damage the liver. Indefinite ketogenic eating lifestyles are prescribed by doctors for those that are prone to epilepsy and also dialysis patients.
Ketoacidosis is a very serious condition that occurs in diabetics, not a healthy person.
Keto is a lifestyle for those that adopt it and if done correctly a person will slowly bring themselves out of ketosis and live a controlled carb lifestyle that includes plenty of fruits and vegetables.0 -
I lost 66 lbs of water on a ketogenic diet, and my waist went from pushing 40" to 32". No, wait......................0
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Most weight lost on a ketosis diet is water weight. Sure, you burn SOME fat, but all in all it's water, and here's why. When you cut carbs low enough to go into a state of ketosis, you're liver produces ketones to be used for energy since your body lacks the carbs it needs to produce energy. This in turn causes your liver to over load itself, and if kept on this diet long enough, could cause liver damage. Since your liver is what filters your urine, more water is used to try to keep your liver cleaned out of the ketones, which are very acidic. (ketoacidosis) Instead of trying all these fad diets, why not just have a lifestyle? everything in moderation, eat clean as much as possible, and the more fruits and veggies the better, without of course being a full on vegetarian.
This whole post is LOL.....................long term ketosis doesn't damage the liver. Indefinite ketogenic eating lifestyles are prescribed by doctors for those that are prone to epilepsy and also dialysis patients.
Ketoacidosis is a very serious condition that occurs in diabetics, not a healthy person.
Keto is a lifestyle for those that adopt it and if done correctly a person will slowly bring themselves out of ketosis and live a controlled carb lifestyle that includes plenty of fruits and vegetables.
What's LOL is that we are all on a zombie thread!
This one got dug up a couple of weeks ago.
I am a big fan of keto diets - I seldom dip low enough to get into proper ketosis - I normally hit around 100g - ish of carbs.
For one of the poster above a good source of information on elite athletes on low carb diets would be Tim Noakes (anything in the past 4 years).
From 1970's to about 2010 he was at the forefront of sports science and nutrition and wrote the book on carb fuelling for elite athletes.
Since that time and as new research and studies have come to light he has taken a complete 180 degrees switch in his stance and is now pro-low carb, high fat.0 -
. If you go too low on your carbs you can seriously hurt yourself and possibly die. Look it up, a few have died from it because they went TOO low carb.
Look it up where? That's a pretty harsh thing to say with nothing to support it.
Exactly! There are people that live on Meat, fat and water - as close as you can get to ZERO carb and they are thriving.0 -
. If you go too low on your carbs you can seriously hurt yourself and possibly die. Look it up, a few have died from it because they went TOO low carb.
Look it up where? That's a pretty harsh thing to say with nothing to support it.
Exactly! There are people that live on Meat, fat and water - as close as you can get to ZERO carb and they are thriving.
Ah yes, terrific logic as always, a very small sample of people eat close to zero carb and do fine so no one at all could potentially have deleterious effects from doing the same.0
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