CARBS??? VEGGIE carbs ok ? Or ?

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  • naveed1naveed
    naveed1naveed Posts: 75
    Basics !

    estrogen
    metabolism (solution of different bonds)
    periodic disorders or cycles
    more body fat percentage than men
    and a long list to go
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    Basics !

    estrogen
    metabolism (solution of different bonds)
    periodic disorders or cycles
    more body fat percentage than men
    and a long list to go

    But none of this refutes the statement you were quoting. Carbs are still converted to glucose and weight loss is still driven by energy balance, regardless of the above.
  • Chief_Rocka
    Chief_Rocka Posts: 4,710 Member
    Basics !

    estrogen
    metabolism (solution of different bonds)
    periodic disorders or cycles
    more body fat percentage than men
    and a long list to go

    and?
  • AEFidgets
    AEFidgets Posts: 243
    I would say that all carbs in moderation will fit into a healthy diet. Those from veggies and fruits are no doubt nutritionaly superior to refined ones. I just try to avoid HFCS, otherwise nibble on.....
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    Basics !

    estrogen
    metabolism (solution of different bonds)
    periodic disorders or cycles
    more body fat percentage than men
    and a long list to go

    Yep. I have those things.
    They all contribute to the 'out' side of Calories In= Calories Out.
    So what?

    ETA: Except for the period bit. PMS sometimes contributes to calories in, too. :laugh:
  • naveed1naveed
    naveed1naveed Posts: 75

    and?

    those things have effects. or in better way minor effects.
    what do you think?
  • CorvusCorax77
    CorvusCorax77 Posts: 2,536 Member
    Your body uses them all as glucose, the source is irrelevant.

    Weight loss will be determined by your caloric deficit.

    I wish women health was THAT simple

    that's so cute! I love it when dudes have the inside scoop on female health!
  • CorvusCorax77
    CorvusCorax77 Posts: 2,536 Member
    here's my two cents to OP:

    You will lose weight by limiting your caloric intake, true. And you got two choices:

    (1) you can eat tiny portions of "bad" carbohydrate foods (because they also tend to be high in calories) and find yourself feeling like caca (because they also tend to be low in nutrition)...by "bad" i mean you know white things (get DOWN WITH BROWN! -sorry couldn't help myself!) and things that are highly processed and refined.

    Or

    (2) you can eat large portions of "good" carbs (becaue they tend to be lower in calories) and feel much much better (because they tend to have more fiber and nutrients and proteins and what not)...by "good" i mean things like veggies and unrefined stuff like brown RICE and quinoa. [eek! i wrote brown sugar! so NOT what I meant!]
  • diamondfit1
    diamondfit1 Posts: 47 Member
    The problem with bread is that it contains amylopectin which spikes blood sugar higher than even most refined sugars. Im all for avoiding simple carbohydrates in white bread, and for now im avoid grains in general because I find when I cut out glutenous foods in my diet Im more easily able to sustain my weight. If you arent gluten intolerant or find that you benefit from it in some way, stick to carbohydrates like sweetpotatos and veggies and maybe even pair them with a fat so that they will be digested slower. The slower rate of breakdown stemming from the fats will not cause an insulin spike and therefore no fat storage.
  • adamsleeps
    adamsleeps Posts: 5
    You want low Glycemic, slow digesting carbs, instead of high glycemic, fast digesting cards. It's not wrong to have high glycemic carbohydrates like white bread, white rice, white potato, etc. But you should balance your diet with carbohydrates from both categories, and mainly low glycemic like sweet potato, sprouted grain bread, brown whole wheat rice and natural rolled oats. Personally I'll have toast in the morning as my goals are probably different from yours, and a white potato after a workout. I have carbs with every meal as well, but they are mostly low glycemic carbohydrates. Cut calories not carbs.
  • willnorton
    willnorton Posts: 995 Member
    lovechicagobe...you are exactly right..

    i hate when people give like medical advice that is so bad and wrong.... some people just read it and believe it...

    Im glad you said what you did... you cant make a broad general statement like that....

    you have to take us type2 and ir people and other people..

    i dont know his name but you responded to him...
  • runfatmanrun
    runfatmanrun Posts: 1,090 Member
    During my loss I have been in the 300gms per day range on non-workout days. The carbs came from all sources, I don't discriminate. Seems to have worked ok since I maintained a caloric deficit and worked out.
  • ashumeow
    ashumeow Posts: 151 Member
    Hey general question for all you veteren weight loss pro's out there. When it comes to carbs, what are good what are bad? I have cut out carbs from bread, pasta and rice. I usually try and get about 100 grm of carbs a day and that is from mostly veggies/fruits. So is that ok ? I was hearing about the Atkins' diet and their carbs are below 50 a day sometimes around 25! And not much fruits or veggies on the meal ......... Just looking for some friendly advice and see what comes up. I was 286 lbs last Dec. I am now 194.8 lbs still have a bit to go, but the weight is coming off slower and slower. Wanting to speed it up a bit. Like this week NO LOSS NO GAIN!! Sucks. Just looking for some advice.

    Thanks .. Mandy :)

    I eat tons of veggies which has more carbs and mostly very low fat or sometimes no fat... also atleast 1 fruit per day... Since i do workouts, then do house work and studies, i require carbs to boost my body and mind.... Good and healthy carbs never increase weight... Only bad carbs do!
  • AliciaStinger
    AliciaStinger Posts: 402 Member
    Your body needs energy. You have to take in carbs from somewhere; fruits and veggies have to be better than the processed alternatives that I so love. (That's right, BREAD and PASTA, I'm talking about you.)
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    What I find interesting is that those who are basically saying fructose is fructose and it makes no difference...when apparently my diabetic dad can have fruit, but he's supposed to steer clear of cookies, cake...processed sugars, etc. If it made no difference, I'm sure his doctors wouldn't allow him to eat fruit.
  • davidsgirl145
    davidsgirl145 Posts: 162 Member
    just eat Chicken with corn, corn with potatoes, potatoes with peas, gravy if it makes you holla ''GRAVAY!!!!'', cheese cake on Monday nights (because Mondays suck)! Drink lots of fluids...preferably booze!
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Your body uses them all as glucose, the source is irrelevant.

    Weight loss will be determined by your caloric deficit.

    I wish women health was THAT simple

    In the context that this statement as it was given i.e. he basics of weight loss, how does the fact that I have a vagina and not testes make a difference?
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    Your body uses them all as glucose, the source is irrelevant.

    Weight loss will be determined by your caloric deficit.

    I wish women health was THAT simple

    In the context that this statement as it was given i.e. he basics of weight loss, how does the fact that I have a vagina and not testes make a difference?
    OMG PMING YOU
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    Your body uses them all as glucose, the source is irrelevant.

    Weight loss will be determined by your caloric deficit.

    I wish women health was THAT simple

    In the context that this statement as it was given i.e. he basics of weight loss, how does the fact that I have a vagina and not testes make a difference?

    Reference "Does My Vagina Lose Weight? LOL" Thread. I tried to link, but it's gone now.

    Too easy.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member

    and?

    those things have effects. or in better way minor effects.
    what do you think?

    How specifically do those list of things that impact women v men have an impact on the way 'processed' sugar v 'natural' sugar is processed and more specifically in the context of weight loss and sugar?
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,207 Member

    and?

    those things have effects. or in better way minor effects.
    what do you think?

    How specifically do those list of things that impact women v men have an impact on the way 'processed' sugar v 'natural' sugar is processed and more specifically in the context of weight loss and sugar?
    Everyone knows that women are made from sugar and spice and everything nice, geez.:smile:
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    here's my two cents to OP:

    You will lose weight by limiting your caloric intake, true. And you got two choices:

    (1) you can eat tiny portions of "bad" carbohydrate foods (because they also tend to be high in calories) and find yourself feeling like caca (because they also tend to be low in nutrition)...by "bad" i mean you know white things (get DOWN WITH BROWN! -sorry couldn't help myself!) and things that are highly processed and refined.

    Or

    (2) you can eat large portions of "good" carbs (becaue they tend to be lower in calories) and feel much much better (because they tend to have more fiber and nutrients and proteins and what not)...by "good" i mean things like veggies and unrefined stuff like brown RICE and quinoa. [eek! i wrote brown sugar! so NOT what I meant!]

    Or, you could have plenty of fruits and veggies, and you could also have bread/pasta, and you could feel great doing so. I choose the third option.
  • etoiles_argentees
    etoiles_argentees Posts: 2,827 Member
    Basics !

    estrogen
    metabolism (solution of different bonds)
    periodic disorders or cycles
    more body fat percentage than men
    and a long list to go

    yes, but no conclusive studies yet...
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136178/
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17977473
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18045137
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10396370

    and on and on.....
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    None are bad.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Basics !

    estrogen
    metabolism (solution of different bonds)
    periodic disorders or cycles
    more body fat percentage than men
    and a long list to go

    yes, but no conclusive studies yet...
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136178/
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17977473
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18045137
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10396370

    and on and on.....

    The poster was inferring that our sugar intake is relevant to these. From the studies, there is no mention of sugar, however, I know you have looked into sugar intake at a more granular level. Have you seen anything that would indicate that sugar itself is relevant to the list above?
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member

    and?

    those things have effects. or in better way minor effects.
    what do you think?

    How specifically do those list of things that impact women v men have an impact on the way 'processed' sugar v 'natural' sugar is processed and more specifically in the context of weight loss and sugar?
    Everyone knows that women are made from sugar and spice and everything nice, geez.:smile:

    You obviously have not met me :wink:
  • funkycamper
    funkycamper Posts: 998 Member
    ATKINS sucks (unless you're looking for a new liver)...don't do it! And vegetables and fruits are WAY OKAY! EAT THEM and LOTS OF THEM!

    Just my humble opinion

    Edit: there is nothing wrong with bread, pasta and rice...just make sure to eat whole grain (those with high fiber...where the fiber hasn't been processed out ...note - not one's processed then fiber added back)

    Considering you appear to know absolutely nothing about the Atkins eating plan, why should I believe anything else you say?

    Add to that, you obviously don't understand that people with very metabolic disorders (hypoglycemia, diabetes, PCOS, insulin resistance, to name the major ones), may not be "WAY OKAY" with lots of fruit.

    Dogmatic statements drive me batty. What you're saying might be true for you and a certain percentage of others but it's not true for 100% of us. Don't give out advice like it is.
  • etoiles_argentees
    etoiles_argentees Posts: 2,827 Member
    From The Way To Cook, written by Julia Child and published in 1989.

    "Because of media hype and woefully inadequate information, too many people nowadays are deathly afraid of their food, and what does fear of food do to the digestive system? ... I, for one, would much rather swoon over a few thin slices of prime beefsteak, or one small serving of chocolate mousse, or a sliver of foie gras than indulge to the full on such nonentities as fat-free gelatin puddings."

    "The pleasures of the table — that lovely old-fashioned phrase — depict food as an art form, as a delightful part of civilized life. In spite of food fads, fitness programs, and health concerns, we must never lose sight of a beautifully conceived meal."

    and....

    “Life itself is the proper binge.” ― Julia Child
  • etoiles_argentees
    etoiles_argentees Posts: 2,827 Member
    Basics !

    estrogen
    metabolism (solution of different bonds)
    periodic disorders or cycles
    more body fat percentage than men
    and a long list to go

    yes, but no conclusive studies yet...
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136178/
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17977473
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18045137
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10396370

    and on and on.....

    The poster was inferring that our sugar intake is relevant to these. From the studies, there is no mention of sugar, however, I know you have looked into sugar intake at a more granular level. Have you seen anything that would indicate that sugar itself is relevant to the list above?

    sugar......
    http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/sugar-issues.shtml
  • funkycamper
    funkycamper Posts: 998 Member
    What I find interesting is that those who are basically saying fructose is fructose and it makes no difference...when apparently my diabetic dad can have fruit, but he's supposed to steer clear of cookies, cake...processed sugars, etc. If it made no difference, I'm sure his doctors wouldn't allow him to eat fruit.

    Oh, brother....if I treated my diabetes the way my doctor and registered dietitian recommended, I would probably have one foot in the grave right now. Best thing I ever did was ignore them.

    Have your dad test himself 1 hour, 2 hours, and 3 hours after eating cookies/cake/processed sugars. And again after eating fruit. He may be fine and have no alarming rise in BG levels with the fruit. Or, if he's like me, his blood sugar might rise higher eating an orange than it does eating a piece of cake. And the subsequent blood sugar drop after the fruit might be lower and bring on hypoglycemic symptoms when this rarely occurs from cake.

    So, for me, fruit is like poison unless I'm very careful in my consumption by eating only a small amount (like half an apple) along with protein. And if I eat it just prior to or just after intense exercise.

    I try to limit all carbs, except vegetable carbs, because of my strong, negative reactions to them but fruit tends to have worse of an impact on my blood sugar levels than almost all other foods.

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