CARBS??? VEGGIE carbs ok ? Or ?
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If you spike insulin too fast does it cause you to store more fat??...i've read so much on this im generally confused now.
http://www.weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Relevant extract:
"MYTH: Carbohydrate Drives Insulin, Which Drives Fat Storage
FACT: Your Body Can Synthesize and Store Fat Even When Insulin Is Low
One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it’s needed for fat storage. It isn’t. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low. For example, there is an enzyme in your fat cells called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL helps break down fat. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus suppresses the breakdown of fat. This has caused people to point fingers at carbohydrate for causing fat gain.
However, fat will also suppress HSL even when insulin levels are low. This means you will be unable to lose fat even when carbohydrate intake is low, if you are overeating on calories. If you ate no carbohydrate but 5,000 calories of fat, you would still be unable to lose fat even though insulin would not be elevated. This would be because the high fat intake would suppress HSL. This also means that, if you’re on a low carbohydrate diet, you still need to eat less calories than you expend to lose weight.."0 -
Thank you for explaining this.If you spike insulin too fast does it cause you to store more fat??...i've read so much on this im generally confused now.
http://www.weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Relevant extract:
"MYTH: Carbohydrate Drives Insulin, Which Drives Fat Storage
FACT: Your Body Can Synthesize and Store Fat Even When Insulin Is Low
One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it’s needed for fat storage. It isn’t. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low. For example, there is an enzyme in your fat cells called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL helps break down fat. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus suppresses the breakdown of fat. This has caused people to point fingers at carbohydrate for causing fat gain.
However, fat will also suppress HSL even when insulin levels are low. This means you will be unable to lose fat even when carbohydrate intake is low, if you are overeating on calories. If you ate no carbohydrate but 5,000 calories of fat, you would still be unable to lose fat even though insulin would not be elevated. This would be because the high fat intake would suppress HSL. This also means that, if you’re on a low carbohydrate diet, you still need to eat less calories than you expend to lose weight.."
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You know, I feel like this doesn't have to turn into a low-carb-or-not debate. The issue is not that the OP chooses to eat low carb. The issue is that there's a perception going on here that carbs are inherently bad and that any 'you could just pick this and eat it' natural food could also be bad. That is just simply not true and it defies common sense.
OP, eat any whole, natural food that you want and ignore the carb count in those foods. It's the refined or added stuff you need to stay away from (and by that I also mean grains, which require processing to be able to eat. It's minimal, but it's there).0 -
This makes sense for someone with insulin resistance. It means absolutely nothing to someone that isn't insulin resistant. Carbs don't cause insulin resistance, the inability to process carbs is a symptom of insulin resistance. Insulin resistance is caused by excess fat in the blood stream, that inhibits insulin from connecting with the insulin receptors in muscle tissue.Your body uses them all as glucose, the source is irrelevant.
My insulin-resistant body would like to disagree with you.
OP: it's generally accepted that getting carbs from fruits, veggies, and whole grains is much, much better than getting them from simple starches (potatoes, white pasta, white bread) that break down quickly. The carbs in fruit/veggies/whole grains break down into glucose much slower, which is why those are preferable to things like french fries and white dinner rolls.
^^^ What she said!! Anyone who insulin resistant will tell you that there are good carbs and not-so-good for you carbs. The fruits and veggies are really good for you. Just stay away from the starches as much as you can. =0)
In other words, having a high level of body fat causes insulin resistance problems, eating carbs does not, unless you over consume them to the point of increasing body fat.
Also, for someone with insulin resistance, slow releasing carbs like starches are much better for them than fast digesting carbs like fruit. Just saying, my mother was a Type 1 diabetic, she could eat pasta way more often than she could eat fruit.0 -
I've been down the low carb/keto (<50g a day) route, I did 6 months this year having read Good Calories, Bad Calories amongst others. (insert your cherry picking comments here).
I read all the low carb stuff, I surfed the sites and was entertained by Primal/Paleo stuff, read up on Lyle McDonald, etc, etc. And all very interesting it was. I still follow 'the scene' but only because there are some smart people like Paul Jaminet who contribute around the fringes.
I was seemingly heading for goal and managed to put on weight tho, with not that many extra calories. So I thought why restrict anything?
I eat anything now, I really just focus on getting enough protein in and maintaining the caloric deficit.
As others have said, unless you have a confirmed medical issue or you can't control your appetite because of the refined stuff then I reckon it's all fair game.
Especially, as others have said, we don't eat macronutrients, we eat food and it all turns into a complex mush when combined ....
I guess sometimes you have to make something overly complex before it becomes simple and so it was with my nutritional journey ....
Damn, I don't half ramble sometimes ...0 -
If you spike insulin too fast does it cause you to store more fat??...i've read so much on this im generally confused now.
http://www.weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Relevant extract:
"MYTH: Carbohydrate Drives Insulin, Which Drives Fat Storage
FACT: Your Body Can Synthesize and Store Fat Even When Insulin Is Low
One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it’s needed for fat storage. It isn’t. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low. For example, there is an enzyme in your fat cells called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL helps break down fat. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus suppresses the breakdown of fat. This has caused people to point fingers at carbohydrate for causing fat gain.
However, fat will also suppress HSL even when insulin levels are low. This means you will be unable to lose fat even when carbohydrate intake is low, if you are overeating on calories. If you ate no carbohydrate but 5,000 calories of fat, you would still be unable to lose fat even though insulin would not be elevated. This would be because the high fat intake would suppress HSL. This also means that, if you’re on a low carbohydrate diet, you still need to eat less calories than you expend to lose weight.."
I believe the actual myth here is that ONLY insulin drives fat storage, which isn't true, obviously. If it was we'd be able to maintain a perfect weight eating Atkins.
However, I do believe that it's the mixture of over eating calories AND carbs had gotten so many people so big. High carbs and high calories compliment each other for weight gain, just like calorie deficit *and* low-moderate carb can compliment weight loss. Because the fact is that even if insulin isn't the only reason you gain weight, the conversion from carbs to fat is *so* quick and easy.
But hey, I don't have any sources, but all of my research suggests to me that this is a viable reason why some people lose weight better with LC- because it keeps the simplest pound-packer at bay. Makes sense to me, anyway. 0 -
OP would you like some Snarkinara sauce to go with all the Copypasta and MeMeMe!atballs you're getting served up?
Summary: No carbs are bad, unless you have diabetes, the end.0 -
If you spike insulin too fast does it cause you to store more fat??...i've read so much on this im generally confused now.
http://www.weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Relevant extract:
"MYTH: Carbohydrate Drives Insulin, Which Drives Fat Storage
FACT: Your Body Can Synthesize and Store Fat Even When Insulin Is Low
One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it’s needed for fat storage. It isn’t. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low. For example, there is an enzyme in your fat cells called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL helps break down fat. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus suppresses the breakdown of fat. This has caused people to point fingers at carbohydrate for causing fat gain.
However, fat will also suppress HSL even when insulin levels are low. This means you will be unable to lose fat even when carbohydrate intake is low, if you are overeating on calories. If you ate no carbohydrate but 5,000 calories of fat, you would still be unable to lose fat even though insulin would not be elevated. This would be because the high fat intake would suppress HSL. This also means that, if you’re on a low carbohydrate diet, you still need to eat less calories than you expend to lose weight.."
I believe the actual myth here is that ONLY insulin drives fat storage, which isn't true, obviously. If it was we'd be able to maintain a perfect weight eating Atkins.
However, I do believe that it's the mixture of over eating calories AND carbs had gotten so many people so big. High carbs and high calories compliment each other for weight gain, just like calorie deficit *and* low-moderate carb can compliment weight loss. Because the fact is that even if insulin isn't the only reason you gain weight, the conversion from carbs to fat is *so* quick and easy.
But hey, I don't have any sources, but all of my research suggests to me that this is a viable reason why some people lose weight better with LC- because it keeps the simplest pound-packer at bay. Makes sense to me, anyway.
See bolded part for what it is saying is not true0 -
If you spike insulin too fast does it cause you to store more fat??...i've read so much on this im generally confused now.
http://www.weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Relevant extract:
"MYTH: Carbohydrate Drives Insulin, Which Drives Fat Storage
FACT: Your Body Can Synthesize and Store Fat Even When Insulin Is Low
One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it’s needed for fat storage. It isn’t. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low. For example, there is an enzyme in your fat cells called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL helps break down fat. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus suppresses the breakdown of fat. This has caused people to point fingers at carbohydrate for causing fat gain.
However, fat will also suppress HSL even when insulin levels are low. This means you will be unable to lose fat even when carbohydrate intake is low, if you are overeating on calories. If you ate no carbohydrate but 5,000 calories of fat, you would still be unable to lose fat even though insulin would not be elevated. This would be because the high fat intake would suppress HSL. This also means that, if you’re on a low carbohydrate diet, you still need to eat less calories than you expend to lose weight.."
I believe the actual myth here is that ONLY insulin drives fat storage, which isn't true, obviously. If it was we'd be able to maintain a perfect weight eating Atkins.
However, I do believe that it's the mixture of over eating calories AND carbs had gotten so many people so big. High carbs and high calories compliment each other for weight gain, just like calorie deficit *and* low-moderate carb can compliment weight loss. Because the fact is that even if insulin isn't the only reason you gain weight, the conversion from carbs to fat is *so* quick and easy.
But hey, I don't have any sources, but all of my research suggests to me that this is a viable reason why some people lose weight better with LC- because it keeps the simplest pound-packer at bay. Makes sense to me, anyway.
Protein is insulinogenic.0 -
I love my veggie/fruit carbs, but they aren't horrible even if you're trying to stay lowish. I've had 8-9 servings of fruit and veggies today , a big bowl of knock off cheerios, and a handful of teddy grahams, and I'm still under 200 on my carbs. I think they're an important source of fuel (I'm a runner) though. I'd just go with not depriving yourself, and figuring out what works for you by trying different stuff out.
edit: if you're asking about whether it's okay when trying to lose weight, I haven't seen a difference between lower or higher carbs for me, but I do try to get them from whole food sources, which I think are good in general.0 -
Conversion from carbs to fat is NOT quick and easy, it's actually exceedingly complicated, which is why it rarely ever happens. Carbs are burned for energy, they don't stick around in your body long enough to ever need to be converted to fat. 90% of the fat in a person's fat cells are fatty acids, not carbs.If you spike insulin too fast does it cause you to store more fat??...i've read so much on this im generally confused now.
http://www.weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Relevant extract:
"MYTH: Carbohydrate Drives Insulin, Which Drives Fat Storage
FACT: Your Body Can Synthesize and Store Fat Even When Insulin Is Low
One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it’s needed for fat storage. It isn’t. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low. For example, there is an enzyme in your fat cells called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL helps break down fat. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus suppresses the breakdown of fat. This has caused people to point fingers at carbohydrate for causing fat gain.
However, fat will also suppress HSL even when insulin levels are low. This means you will be unable to lose fat even when carbohydrate intake is low, if you are overeating on calories. If you ate no carbohydrate but 5,000 calories of fat, you would still be unable to lose fat even though insulin would not be elevated. This would be because the high fat intake would suppress HSL. This also means that, if you’re on a low carbohydrate diet, you still need to eat less calories than you expend to lose weight.."
I believe the actual myth here is that ONLY insulin drives fat storage, which isn't true, obviously. If it was we'd be able to maintain a perfect weight eating Atkins.
However, I do believe that it's the mixture of over eating calories AND carbs had gotten so many people so big. High carbs and high calories compliment each other for weight gain, just like calorie deficit *and* low-moderate carb can compliment weight loss. Because the fact is that even if insulin isn't the only reason you gain weight, the conversion from carbs to fat is *so* quick and easy.
But hey, I don't have any sources, but all of my research suggests to me that this is a viable reason why some people lose weight better with LC- because it keeps the simplest pound-packer at bay. Makes sense to me, anyway.
And as others have mentioned (and I think I mentioned it earlier as well,) protein spikes insulin levels just as much, and sometimes even higher than carbs do, which pretty much destroys the entire carbs/insulin/fat myth.0 -
Conversion from carbs to fat is NOT quick and easy, it's actually exceedingly complicated, which is why it rarely ever happens. Carbs are burned for energy, they don't stick around in your body long enough to ever need to be converted to fat. 90% of the fat in a person's fat cells are fatty acids, not carbs.If you spike insulin too fast does it cause you to store more fat??...i've read so much on this im generally confused now.
http://www.weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Relevant extract:
"MYTH: Carbohydrate Drives Insulin, Which Drives Fat Storage
FACT: Your Body Can Synthesize and Store Fat Even When Insulin Is Low
One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it’s needed for fat storage. It isn’t. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low. For example, there is an enzyme in your fat cells called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL helps break down fat. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus suppresses the breakdown of fat. This has caused people to point fingers at carbohydrate for causing fat gain.
However, fat will also suppress HSL even when insulin levels are low. This means you will be unable to lose fat even when carbohydrate intake is low, if you are overeating on calories. If you ate no carbohydrate but 5,000 calories of fat, you would still be unable to lose fat even though insulin would not be elevated. This would be because the high fat intake would suppress HSL. This also means that, if you’re on a low carbohydrate diet, you still need to eat less calories than you expend to lose weight.."
I believe the actual myth here is that ONLY insulin drives fat storage, which isn't true, obviously. If it was we'd be able to maintain a perfect weight eating Atkins.
However, I do believe that it's the mixture of over eating calories AND carbs had gotten so many people so big. High carbs and high calories compliment each other for weight gain, just like calorie deficit *and* low-moderate carb can compliment weight loss. Because the fact is that even if insulin isn't the only reason you gain weight, the conversion from carbs to fat is *so* quick and easy.
But hey, I don't have any sources, but all of my research suggests to me that this is a viable reason why some people lose weight better with LC- because it keeps the simplest pound-packer at bay. Makes sense to me, anyway.
And as others have mentioned (and I think I mentioned it earlier as well,) protein spikes insulin levels just as much, and sometimes even higher than carbs do, which pretty much destroys the entire carbs/insulin/fat myth.
Additionally, to state the obvious, the only time carbs or protein or fat do get stored as fat is in a calorie surplus. If you are burning everything you consume, what can get stored as fat??0 -
In the context that this statement as it was given i.e. he basics of weight loss, how does the fact that I have a vagina and not testes make a difference?
context was bio-chemic not human anatomy
thread is gone long. so I am going to stop my argument.
my time to do 10 push ups.
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I should add that even people who been tested for diabetes, etc., and do not appear to have a metabolic disorder per the normal tests often have these results. While it's more critical for those of us with these disorders, better results from those changes are not limited to just those who have been diagnosed.
What data do you base your conclusions on beside your anecdotal experience and what you read on low carb forums. Based on all available research, there has not been a metabolic advantage proven to a low carb diet vs. other diets. There is certainly a segment of the population that responds better to low carb. You are obviously one of them.
But highlyrespected experts who have analyzed the data such as James Kreiger, who admittedly has a bias in favor of low carb diet and that they should have a metabolic advantage, say none has been proven and even so it would not trump a requireing a calorie deficit. From his analysis on the subject:
1. The proposed metabolic advantage (MA) for low carb diets is a hypothesis, not a fact
2. There is inadequate data to support the MA hypothesis
3. There is inadequate data to reject the MA hypothesis
4. The MA hypothesis does not trump the concept of energy balance. It postulates inefficiencies in energy metabolism, which would translate to an increase in measured energy expenditure (due to heat loss) in a living organism. Thus, if the MA was true, "calories out" would increase for a given "calories in".
5. A definitive study examining 24-hour energy expenditure (using room calorimetry), comparing a ketogenic diet to a traditional diet (with matched protein intake) for subjects in an energy deficit, has not been performed. This is the only study that will adequately test the MA hypothesis in humans
6. Weight loss still requires an energy deficit. If a MA exists, it still cannot make up for an energy surplus or energy balance. To assert otherwise is to assert that energy can be created or destroyed out of thin air, or that human tissue can be created in the absence of any energy input.
If you feel you have credible studies to refute Krieger's conclusions, by all means post them.
You can also find a fairly detailed article on this topic by Steve Troutman, a highly respected fitness and nutrition expert who is one of our members here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/726526-an-objective-look-at-low-carb-dieting
I would also take issue with some of your logic. You are taking those that have metabolic issues and those who may have insulin sensitivity and adding those numbers together as having a common problem. They are not. They are two different issues. Those with metabolic issues have them generally because of chronic overeating. I know you don't agree but this is generally viewed as true by the medical and nutrition community. Those with gluten sensitivity don't nessesarily have an issue with non gluten based carbs.
In summary, because you have a sensitivity to carbs you are attemting to universalize low carb as a solution. This is faulty logic. It is called generalizing from the specific. If all those with metabolic issues can benefit from low carb that is 34% of the general population, leaving 66% that would not nessesarily. Also, most nutritional experts would not call 40% dietary carbs extremely high by any means.
I'm very happy for you that you have found the key to you health and weight management. But I sense that you have crossed the line from objectivity to advocacy. The overall data is pretty clear that low carb is great for some and not so much for others. I'm pretty sure, based upon that, I will not convince you and you will not convince me.
Best wishes on your progress!
I'm hardly an advocate or zealot as I have said here and in virtually every discussion I've ever been in regarding carb intake that the level of carbs one should eat is going to vary depending on various factors for that person. I am just as opposed to someone claiming that low-carb dieting is best for everyone as I am opposed to those saying that we should eat all the carbs we want. Extremes in anything are usually a bad idea. And, yes, I have gone into discussions promoting low-carb for everybody and said just that.
And that's all I've been objecting to here. When people come on and say "this works for me so everyone should do it" (paraphrased), that's anecdotal so why aren't you jumping them for their anecdotal evidence? And, when I have said this isn't true for me, I've been very clear that this isn't true for me. I have not extrapolated my own experience to mean that what works for me will work for everyone. If you can find where I've done that, please show me so I can fix it because I never want to give anyone that impression.
You, on the other hand, appear to be doing just what you're accusing me of.
I like Troutman's work and have his website bookmarked. I don't always agree with everything he says but I think, for the most part, his work is excellent.
I can't help but note that in your cut-and-paste of his post, you left out the statement that Krieger concluded with support for the MA hypothesis. So your statement that I need to refute Krieger's findings is incorrect as his conclusion supports my contention.
I also find it amusing that quite often those who dispute that many of us would be more successful eating less carbs are the same people who advocating an increase in protein. These same people will quite often talk about the positive thermogenesis effect of eating more protein which results in a higher calorie burn in order to digest that protein. (Not saying you're one of these, just find it a common occurrence.) It's interesting to me that those who believe that one type of macro can effect metabolic rates deny the fact that another macro can do the same. The lack of consistency is intrigueing.
Diabetes, hypoglycemia, PCOS, pre-diabetes, etc., are all metabolic disorders. There are also numerous other genetic metabolic disorders that have to do with enzyme levels and other obscure situations that effect a very low percentage of people. I think you are confusing my use of the term metabolic disorder with Metabolic Syndrome which is a specific cluster of disorders (diabetes, high blood pressure, and more). [ETA: I have found nothing at reputable medical websites like WebMD to indicate your contention that metabolic disorders are caused by overweight. Can it be a contributing factor? Sure, but there are slender Type2 Diabetics. Personally, I did not gain weight until after diagnosis with hypoglycemia.]
And I think 1/3 of the general population is statistically significant enough to not just throw out everyone can eat 40% or more of their diet in carbs statements. If you add in the 5-7% of those with gluten intolerance issues, we're up to 40% or so of the general population. And, as I've previously stated, I would bet that the percentage of people on MFP with some degree of these problems is higher than the general population because these issues are simply more prevalent in those who are overweight/obese. So if this raises the number on here who might have a problem with blood sugar issues (even if they are totally unaware of it) to a guesstimate of 40-45% (which I don't think is unreasonable), it becomes even more crucial to inform people that this might be a potential issue for them without being dogmatic about it from either POV.0 -
In the context that this statement as it was given i.e. he basics of weight loss, how does the fact that I have a vagina and not testes make a difference?
context was bio-chemic not human anatomy
thread is gone long. so I am going to stop my argument.
my time to do 10 push ups.
cheers
Nice deflection....not!0 -
Whole, unprocessed foods that contain carbohydrates, like fruit, vegetables and legumes are OK to eat as much as you desire.
Whole (non-glutenous) grains and white potatoes can be eaten, but if you are not losing weight, these would be the whole, plant based carbs to limit first.
Processed, refined carbohydrates, like breads, sugar, flour, HFCS, agave sweetener, etc, stay away from. The ideal amount of these foods is ZERO, and the closer you can get your intake of these foods to zero, the healthier you will be.
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Whole, unprocessed foods that contain carbohydrates, like fruit, vegetables and legumes are OK to eat as much as you desire.
Whole (non-glutenous) grains and white potatoes can be eaten, but if you are not losing weight, these would be the whole, plant based carbs to limit first.
Processed, refined carbohydrates, like breads, sugar, flour, HFCS, agave sweetener, etc, stay away from. The ideal amount of these foods is ZERO, and the closer you can get your intake of these foods to zero, the healthier you will be.
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what is wrong with bread and sugar? I am so over this. You all can weigh what you weigh, have at it.0 -
ATKINS sucks (unless you're looking for a new liver)...don't do it! And vegetables and fruits are WAY OKAY! EAT THEM and LOTS OF THEM!
Just my humble opinion
Edit: there is nothing wrong with bread, pasta and rice...just make sure to eat whole grain (those with high fiber...where the fiber hasn't been processed out ...note - not one's processed then fiber added back)
Considering you appear to know absolutely nothing about the Atkins eating plan, why should I believe anything else you say?
Add to that, you obviously don't understand that people with very metabolic disorders (hypoglycemia, diabetes, PCOS, insulin resistance, to name the major ones), may not be "WAY OKAY" with lots of fruit.
Dogmatic statements drive me batty. What you're saying might be true for you and a certain percentage of others but it's not true for 100% of us. Don't give out advice like it is.
All I need to know about Atkins is that bread is too delicious to give up.0 -
Whole, unprocessed foods that contain carbohydrates, like fruit, vegetables and legumes are OK to eat as much as you desire.
Whole (non-glutenous) grains and white potatoes can be eaten, but if you are not losing weight, these would be the whole, plant based carbs to limit first.
Processed, refined carbohydrates, like breads, sugar, flour, HFCS, agave sweetener, etc, stay away from. The ideal amount of these foods is ZERO, and the closer you can get your intake of these foods to zero, the healthier you will be.
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what is wrong with bread and sugar? I am so over this. You all can weigh what you weigh, have at it.
I don't get it either. I have decent amounts of both, especially sugar and all my blood tests were really good when I had them done a month or two ago. They certainly have not impeded my weight loss.0 -
Whole, unprocessed foods that contain carbohydrates, like fruit, vegetables and legumes are OK to eat as much as you desire.
Whole (non-glutenous) grains and white potatoes can be eaten, but if you are not losing weight, these would be the whole, plant based carbs to limit first.
Processed, refined carbohydrates, like breads, sugar, flour, HFCS, agave sweetener, etc, stay away from. The ideal amount of these foods is ZERO, and the closer you can get your intake of these foods to zero, the healthier you will be.
^^^ All of this ^^^
what is wrong with bread and sugar? I am so over this. You all can weigh what you weigh, have at it.
I eat them both daily, and weigh a little less every time as the days turn to weeks and months. :flowerforyou:0 -
There are no bad carbs.
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Stop worrying about carbs and just eat healthy food that fit your macros.0
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Hey general question for all you veteren weight loss pro's out there. When it comes to carbs, what are good what are bad? I have cut out carbs from bread, pasta and rice. I usually try and get about 100 grm of carbs a day and that is from mostly veggies/fruits. So is that ok ? I was hearing about the Atkins' diet and their carbs are below 50 a day sometimes around 25! And not much fruits or veggies on the meal ......... Just looking for some friendly advice and see what comes up. I was 286 lbs last Dec. I am now 194.8 lbs still have a bit to go, but the weight is coming off slower and slower. Wanting to speed it up a bit. Like this week NO LOSS NO GAIN!! Sucks. Just looking for some advice.
Thanks .. Mandy
Hi Mandy, I have not read through the whole book of replies that you have got so far x
But all foods are food, carbs tend to contain more sugar, where as proteins do not contains sugar. But when I first started on MFP i kept within the goals that were set out and it worked just great for me.
Sometimes over thinking stuff or taking on too much `advice` can be little too much.
Take a little pinch of stuff that people have advised and you will find the right place for you.0 -
My chocolate covered,creme filled donut told me there are no bad carbs, especially when eating at a deficit. I believe my donut.0
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high glycemic impact, high-calorie density, little-to-no micro-nutrients, little-to-no fiber, low water content, no anti-oxidants, etc.Whole, unprocessed foods that contain carbohydrates, like fruit, vegetables and legumes are OK to eat as much as you desire.
Whole (non-glutenous) grains and white potatoes can be eaten, but if you are not losing weight, these would be the whole, plant based carbs to limit first.
Processed, refined carbohydrates, like breads, sugar, flour, HFCS, agave sweetener, etc, stay away from. The ideal amount of these foods is ZERO, and the closer you can get your intake of these foods to zero, the healthier you will be.
^^^ All of this ^^^
what is wrong with bread and sugar? I am so over this. You all can weigh what you weigh, have at it.0 -
Look at history. Nature gave us naturally easy access to mainly veg, berries and seeds, the occasional gain from meat related products, and, on occasion, something sweet like honey or fruit from a tree. Stick with veges, lower amounts of everything else, fruit included. The fibre in fruit negates the fructose you'll consume. If you do this, the weight should drop off, you'll cure your candida's cravings for sugar and be bouncing with energy, and you'll be doing your body a massive favour in the fight against disease, esp. cancer.0
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high glycemic impact, high-calorie density, little-to-no micro-nutrients, little-to-no fiber, low water content, no anti-oxidants, etc.Whole, unprocessed foods that contain carbohydrates, like fruit, vegetables and legumes are OK to eat as much as you desire.
Whole (non-glutenous) grains and white potatoes can be eaten, but if you are not losing weight, these would be the whole, plant based carbs to limit first.
Processed, refined carbohydrates, like breads, sugar, flour, HFCS, agave sweetener, etc, stay away from. The ideal amount of these foods is ZERO, and the closer you can get your intake of these foods to zero, the healthier you will be.
^^^ All of this ^^^
what is wrong with bread and sugar? I am so over this. You all can weigh what you weigh, have at it.
How is that relevant when included as part of a balanced diet?0 -
That's the big question isn't it? No such thing as bad foods just bad diets, I get it and agree for the most part but playing devils advocate; On a calorie for calorie basis any higher nutrient foods that are displaced with highly refined grain products and refined sugars could be interpreted as less than healthy. Whether some refined foods impacts health is debatable and you would probably need to look at indigenous peoples where these highly refined foods were not part of the diet and then introduced.
high glycemic impact, high-calorie density, little-to-no micro-nutrients, little-to-no fiber, low water content, no anti-oxidants, etc.Whole, unprocessed foods that contain carbohydrates, like fruit, vegetables and legumes are OK to eat as much as you desire.
Whole (non-glutenous) grains and white potatoes can be eaten, but if you are not losing weight, these would be the whole, plant based carbs to limit first.
Processed, refined carbohydrates, like breads, sugar, flour, HFCS, agave sweetener, etc, stay away from. The ideal amount of these foods is ZERO, and the closer you can get your intake of these foods to zero, the healthier you will be.
^^^ All of this ^^^
what is wrong with bread and sugar? I am so over this. You all can weigh what you weigh, have at it.
How is that relevant when included as part of a balanced diet?0 -
How is that relevant when included as part of a balanced diet?
Depends how much you have. The vast majority of people's concept of a balanced diet is not balanced at all, processed junky stuff should comprise no more than about 10% of daily calories - if you want to use that on bread crack on. But people don't, they pretend bread made in a factory with super finely ground flour and chemical additives is a natural wholefood and then expect to have 'treats' on top. There is no bread tree, there is no flour plant: if you want to eat wheat eat WHOLE unadulterated wheat grains, rolled to flatten at most. Or bake your own multigrain bread using flour that has been stoneground and seeds/ whole grains and not just wheat.
'You' is generic you not necessarily personal BTW.0 -
How is that relevant when included as part of a balanced diet?
Depends how much you have. The vast majority of people's concept of a balanced diet is not balanced at all, processed junky stuff should comprise no more than about 10% of daily calories - if you want to use that on bread crack on. But people don't, they pretend bread made in a factory with super finely ground flour and chemical additives is a natural wholefood and then expect to have 'treats' on top. There is no bread tree, there is no flour plant: if you want to eat wheat eat WHOLE unadulterated wheat grains, rolled to flatten at most. Or bake your own multigrain bread using flour that has been stoneground and seeds/ whole grains and not just wheat.
'You' is generic you not necessarily personal BTW.
I think your views are a bit extreme and alarmist.0
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