Food Diary CHEATERS!

pipinana

Hmmm, interesting subject...

I didn't read everyone's responses, so sorry if someone already said something along these lines... but I will say I plan out what I'm going to eat for the entire day (in the morning), and push the button that I'm done recording for the day. I go back throughout the day and change if I don't eat something on the list, or if I eat something extra. More often than not, it's that I didn't eat something that I had planned on... Today for instance, I put in this morning that I was going to eat an apple sauce cup, and a clementine for my 10 am snack. I had the apple sauce, but only half the clementine (tasted like poo) so I altered my diary to reflect that I only ate 1/2 of it.



I don't really think it's fair for you to assume that you know that someone ate something when they have it on their diary, then take it off later... Besides, why not just focus on yourselves and let the people who are 'cheating' worry about themselves!?

I acknowledge that you havent read all of the posts so I will repeat. I do know, for a fact, that people eat it and then remove it to accomodate calorie intake because they display their guilt for eating it on their status....they take all the encouragement from that, then remove the item from their diary to stay under their calories, and then take that credit too. It reminds me of that syndrome that people do negative things to themselves for the attention. Its sad, really.

I getcha... Eh, let them worry about that. They are the ones who will gain/not lose/give up....

karmasBFF

Hmmm, interesting subject...

I didn't read everyone's responses, so sorry if someone already said something along these lines... but I will say I plan out what I'm going to eat for the entire day (in the morning), and push the button that I'm done recording for the day. I go back throughout the day and change if I don't eat something on the list, or if I eat something extra. More often than not, it's that I didn't eat something that I had planned on... Today for instance, I put in this morning that I was going to eat an apple sauce cup, and a clementine for my 10 am snack. I had the apple sauce, but only half the clementine (tasted like poo) so I altered my diary to reflect that I only ate 1/2 of it.



I don't really think it's fair for you to assume that you know that someone ate something when they have it on their diary, then take it off later... Besides, why not just focus on yourselves and let the people who are 'cheating' worry about themselves!?

I acknowledge that you havent read all of the posts so I will repeat. I do know, for a fact, that people eat it and then remove it to accomodate calorie intake because they display their guilt for eating it on their status....they take all the encouragement from that, then remove the item from their diary to stay under their calories, and then take that credit too. It reminds me of that syndrome that people do negative things to themselves for the attention. Its sad, really.

I getcha... Eh, let them worry about that. They are the ones who will gain/not lose/give up....

so true!

LuvnAG10

i actually hate that it encourages being under the calories. i'm at 1200 calories/day and have reached a point where i'm so adjusted to it that i'm having trouble consistently hitting my calories. i don't want to be encouraged for under eating.

I also HATE that it encourages people to be under 1200 cals.

Me too...I keep my limit at 1380 but eat just over 1200...I figure it helps me lose weight quicker but I am definitely eating what I should!

So is it bad to be under 1200 calories?

The site doesn't encourage anything under 1200 calories. Most (key word) people shouldn't dip below 1200 calories.

From independent research, I have read that less than 1200 calories does not allow your body to function properly. That translates to your body shutting down at small intervals to preserve itself. It also takes the lack of calories as a sign that your body is starving so it shuts down your metabolism, which we all know, is the mechanism we need to lose weight.

Hope this helps!

Yesterday was my first day on the site. I went over my 1200 calories by 217 so I got on the treadmill and burned 390. So overall, with the exercise, I was just under 1200. Should I have been at 1200 even with the exercise? So at the end of the day I should at least have 1200 calories but should aim to not exceed it by too much?

TwentyTen

I haven't read all of the responses yet so forgive me if this has been said - but the auto response with the under calorie thing is actually so you can support people who aren't eating enough, the people that aren't meeting their calorie goal (or at least that's how I read it in Mikes blog about the new features) it'll never say when you've gone over or when you hit the calories dead on - just if you're under so that your 'friends' can encourage you to eat all that you're supposed to.

ETA - so apparently I was wrong, but I swear I read that somewhere, maybe Mike posted on a thread about it or something.

I would like to find that post, it could use a big bump!!

1Sweets

I haven't read all the posts but....People are funny & fickle. People are not always the way we would like them to be. Most of us just like to play around & see what results we get by pushing different buttons.:ohwell: or saying this & doing that. And were all hanging on the wagon by our finger tips at times. Some of us has "got it" & some of us are still trying to "figure it out". Our Minds are Willing but our Flesh is weak:laugh: :noway:

Were all here on the awesome free website to learn to loose & eat healthy. It's taken me a year to loose the little bit I've lost! That ole saying of Practice Makes Perfect is true. Sooner or Later we'll "get it". I just do my thing & be as supportive as I can be.

Like my Husband famous saying is when something is bugging me " WHO CARES" and then my son says yah mom "WHO CARES" and then suddenly I'm like yah who cares?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Let's all go eat some Pizza now:smokin:

JStarnes

Yesterday was my first day on the site. I went over my 1200 calories by 217 so I got on the treadmill and burned 390. So overall, with the exercise, I was just under 1200. Should I have been at 1200 even with the exercise? So at the end of the day I should at least have 1200 calories but should aim to not exceed it by too much?

If you are set to eat 1200 a day and plan on burning 300 thru exercise you need to EAT 1500, that'll put your net at 1200. Like the difference between your gross & net income.

karmasBFF

Yesterday was my first day on the site. I went over my 1200 calories by 217 so I got on the treadmill and burned 390. So overall, with the exercise, I was just under 1200. Should I have been at 1200 even with the exercise? So at the end of the day I should at least have 1200 calories but should aim to not exceed it by too much?

If you are set to eat 1200 a day and plan on burning 300 thru exercise you need to EAT 1500, that'll put your net at 1200. Like the difference between your gross & net income.

Exactly!

LuvnAG10

Yesterday was my first day on the site. I went over my 1200 calories by 217 so I got on the treadmill and burned 390. So overall, with the exercise, I was just under 1200. Should I have been at 1200 even with the exercise? So at the end of the day I should at least have 1200 calories but should aim to not exceed it by too much?

If you are set to eat 1200 a day and plan on burning 300 thru exercise you need to EAT 1500, that'll put your net at 1200. Like the difference between your gross & net income.

Thanks!

karmasBFF

I haven't read all the posts but....People are funny & fickle. People are not always the way we would like them to be. Most of us just like to play around & see what results we get by pushing different buttons.:ohwell: or saying this & doing that. And were all hanging on the wagon by our finger tips at times. Some of us has "got it" & some of us are still trying to "figure it out". Our Minds are Willing but our Flesh is weak:laugh: :noway:

Were all here on the awesome free website to learn to loose & eat healthy. It's taken me a year to loose the little bit I've lost! That ole saying of Practice Makes Perfect is true. Sooner or Later we'll "get it". I just do my thing & be as supportive as I can be.

Like my Husband famous saying is when something is bugging me " WHO CARES" and then my son says yah mom "WHO CARES" and then suddenly I'm like yah who cares?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Let's all go eat some Pizza now:smokin:

Yeah, Karma, WHO CARES!? MMMM, pizza! LOL

jaycee76

Who says that they actually ate what was listed. Sometimes people plan ahead and plan for chocolate or another treat only to decide later in the day not to have it... so they take it out of the diary

karmasBFF

Who says that they actually ate what was listed. Sometimes people plan ahead and plan for chocolate or another treat only to decide later in the day not to have it... so they take it out of the diary

I'm assuming you skipped the posts that address this! :happy: Its ok, with all back and forth on this post, if I hadn't started it, I would have skipped around too!

This refers to someone that eats something, shares their guilt (looking for encouragement, gets it, takes it) then removes it from the diary ( after having ADMITTED they ate it already) so they are under their calories and takes the credit for that!

I do the same thing. My day was planned last night, but I have since added a banana and removed a 1/2 cups of pineapples. But I am not lying about anything or looking for undeserved encouragment.

pannellkat

I wouldn't worry about it. they are the ones that will end up not losing weight.

Ditto. Great, simple response. To the point. Do you girl..don't worry about others, we are all adults. They end up cheating themselves. Focus on you. Your doing great, thats all that matters right?

Holton

Until just recently I would hit that button to see how much weight I would lose in 5 weeks if I only ate that amount, not knowing that it posted I finished my day and was under calories!!!! Silly me......But agree with you, that if you are going to do this you need to be honest with yourself most of all, otherwise there will not be any success in the long term and you are still questioning "Why am I not losing weight?" And I appreciate all the kudos I can get, as it is getting harder, not easier as I go along. So many days I so want to sabotauge myself!

JStarnes

Until just recently I would hit that button to see how much weight I would lose in 5 weeks if I only ate that amount

I do that too - "wonder what I'd weigh in 5 weeks if I only ate breakfast?" :laugh: I know it doesn't actually work that way but its still fun to do.

karmasBFF

Until just recently I would hit that button to see how much weight I would lose in 5 weeks if I only ate that amount, not knowing that it posted I finished my day and was under calories!!!! Silly me......But agree with you, that if you are going to do this you need to be honest with yourself most of all, otherwise there will not be any success in the long term and you are still questioning "Why am I not losing weight?" And I appreciate all the kudos I can get, as it is getting harder, not easier as I go along. So many days I so want to sabotauge myself!

Well we are all here for you in those moments! I had a moment like that last night, and I had calories to spare...but I thought about everyone that encourages me and it would suck to take advantage of them! So I didnt eat, I had a cup of tea and went to bed!

naeemahs

i dont cheat, i put the good ,bad an ugly, but food choices r an individual thing and not cheating. if i drink or eat to much i work out hard the next day and eat less. no one is perfect and you can eat fries small and still lose weight it's about portion size and making better choices, you can always plana meal like I do sometimes and log a food to see how many calories it is 1st before i deceide to eat it!! that always makes me change my mind abotu certain foods. If you think you have to eat only lean meat and veggies to lose weight you will not be very realistic and sucessful inthe long run of your weight lost goals... good luck.. see ya at the Top!

MercuryBlue

These people are really only 'cheating' themselves. This isn't a competition, after all...

Though, this is exactly WHY I keep my food journal private. For the most part, I eat well- but if I know people are watching, I'm going to be more inclined to leave things out than I do if my diary is private. I could just as easily NOT eat the bad stuff but... hey, I'm human after all!

So if my journal is public, I may log faithfully but not bother putting in that one piece of chocolate I ate because someone brought a box in to work, or something. If my journal is private, I log everything (chocolate and all).

Phoenix_Rising

Most days I don't complete my food diary because I don't want the congratulations for the most part...I actually hate that feature.

Did you know you can change your News Feed Settings? You can select or deselect all of the following for purposes of notifying your friends when:
# I become friends with someone
# I reply to a topic on the message boards
# I create a new topic on the message boards
# I create a new blog post
# I commented on someone else's news feed update
# I wrote on someone else's profile page
# I have not logged into MyFitnessPal for an extended period
# I have logged in for several days in a row
# I have lost weight
# I have completed my diary for the day

I didn't know that! Thank you.
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Where do you change that? lol
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Found it.

THANK YOU! Going to play with mine now. :bigsmile:

I log all my crap food, when I bother to log. My diary is for me. Others who view it (I think) would only be encouraged that you CAN lose weight and still have morning coffee with creamer or chocolate chip cookies after dinner.

I am not ashamed of my food choices. They are what they are. The results show in my weight loss/ gain/ or maintenance.

rlsluvr

I know too... I'm trying to be pro-active in the am and MAP out my day... so I tend to put what I think I'm gonna eat into my Diary, and sometimes I don't have that snack, or I change my mind after I see my totals, and I delete it then.

Just a thought maybe they are doing the same thing....

karmasBFF

Most days I don't complete my food diary because I don't want the congratulations for the most part...I actually hate that feature.

Did you know you can change your News Feed Settings? You can select or deselect all of the following for purposes of notifying your friends when:
# I become friends with someone
# I reply to a topic on the message boards
# I create a new topic on the message boards
# I create a new blog post
# I commented on someone else's news feed update
# I wrote on someone else's profile page
# I have not logged into MyFitnessPal for an extended period
# I have logged in for several days in a row
# I have lost weight
# I have completed my diary for the day

I didn't know that! Thank you.
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Where do you change that? lol
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Found it.

THANK YOU! Going to play with mine now. :bigsmile:

I log all my crap food, when I bother to log. My diary is for me. Others who view it (I think) would only be encouraged that you CAN lose weight and still have morning coffee with creamer or chocolate chip cookies after dinner.

I am not ashamed of my food choices. They are what they are. The results show in my weight loss/ gain/ or maintenance.

Great job! Your pics in your signature show an amazing difference!

LittleSpy

In defense of public food diaries --
My diary is public because if someone wants to look at mine and get food ideas (I'm pretty boring the majority of the time, but every once in a while I log a real winner) or wants to try to give me advice, so be it! If I can help or be helped by it, I'm all for it.

I've never been concerned about logging something because I thought people would see it. I don't care if they see it. Hey guys, guess what! I ate as much as I could of a country fried steak with gravy, most of 2 orders of fried okra, an most of an order of mac & cheese, a biscuit AND half of a corn muffin with butter from Cracker Barrel Sunday!! I was incredibly sick afterwards (seriously), but MMMM MMMM MMM GOOD!

:laugh: I logged every bite (and was lucky to keep every bite down).

I used to be so self conscious! :laugh: Eff 'em.

TheMaidOfAstolat

In defense of public food diaries --
My diary is public because if someone wants to look at mine and get food ideas (I'm pretty boring the majority of the time, but every once in a while I log a real winner) or wants to try to give me advice, so be it! If I can help or be helped by it, I'm all for it.

I've never been concerned about logging something because I thought people would see it. I don't care if they see it. Hey guys, guess what! I ate as much as I could of a country fried steak with gravy, most of 2 orders of fried okra, an most of an order of mac & cheese, a biscuit AND half of a corn muffin with butter from Cracker Barrel Sunday!! I was incredibly sick afterwards (seriously), but MMMM MMMM MMM GOOD!

:laugh: I logged every bite (and was lucky to keep every bite down).

I used to be so self conscious! :laugh: Eff 'em.

I'm the exact same way. I don't care what anyone else thinks (besides...1-I'm boring and 2-I'm a vegetarian...so not many people would want to look at mine, lol). Besides having mine public keeps me accountable-I log everything that goes into my mouth (if I were to leave it out I would be cheating myself). Also, I do not log on weekends-those are my days (besides I'd be lucky to use the computer-hubby goes graphics)...but I stick to meals that I've eaten earlier that I know the cal/fat/carb/proteins in it.

littlesuzieq

I know too... I'm trying to be pro-active in the am and MAP out my day... so I tend to put what I think I'm gonna eat into my Diary, and sometimes I don't have that snack, or I change my mind after I see my totals, and I delete it then.

Just a thought maybe they are doing the same thing....

That's exactly what I do so I know how much I have left for supper. I've never not logged something because I didn't want to be seen "over" my calories. It is what it is.

pressica

This thread makes me sad. Karma, it sounds like you are going through some personal issues and I am sorry about that. But my experience with MFP has always been so positive up till this point. I just feel kinda sick by people calling each other out on what they eat or how you perceive that they cheat. The whole point of this incredible website is not just tracking. It's not about being entirely honest with your fellow MFPers. It's all about perseverance. There are so many times that I would mess up and feel like it was beyond repair and give up. With MFP, I can review back on encouraging words from others and not give up. Let's face it, whether encouraging words are "deserved" or "undeserved", we all need them to get back to a healthy weight.

None of us are perfect and will never be even close as long as we view it as a comparative competition. I don't mean this offensively, but I consider MFP friendship to be a big responsibility and if you don't feel that you can selflessly give encouragement to others, it might be best if you limit your number of friends to only those that you can benefit from or help.

We all have hard days. No one should ever feel called out like that. It seems like people are getting their feelings hurt by this post and while it may have started out innocent, I think we must be careful about harming others on a site that can do so much good. To be honest, if I had seen this kind of post when I was a newbie, I definitely would have viewed MFP in a more negative light.

I wish everyone good luck with their weight loss despite their current status. Sometimes judgment from others can make weight gain worse. Anyone that is heavy should understand that. My theory is, maybe you can eventually lose the martyr cause and be grateful for a site with so many amazing people willing to befriend you and help you improve day by day.

MercuryBlue

This thread makes me sad. Karma, it sounds like you are going through some personal issues and I am sorry about that. But my experience with MFP has always been so positive up till this point. I just feel kinda sick by people calling each other out on what they eat or how you perceive that they cheat. The whole point of this incredible website is not just tracking. It's not about being entirely honest with your fellow MFPers. It's all about perseverance. There are so many times that I would mess up and feel like it was beyond repair and give up. With MFP, I can review back on encouraging words from others and not give up. Let's face it, whether encouraging words are deserved or undeserved, we all need them to get back to a healthy weight.

None of us are perfect and will never be even close as long as we view it as a comparative competition. I don't mean this offensively, but I consider MFP friendship to be a big responsibility and if you don't feel that you can selflessly give encouragement to others, it might be best if you limit your number of friends to only those that you can benefit from or help.

We all have hard days. No one should ever feel called out like that. It seems like people are getting their feelings hurt by this post and while it may have started out innocent, I think we must be careful about harming others on a site that can do so much good. To be honest, if I had seen this kind of post when I was a newbie, I definitely would have viewed MFP in a more negative light.

I wish everyone good luck with their weight loss despite their current status. Sometimes judgment from others can make weight gain worse. Anyone that is heavy should understand that. My theory is, maybe you can eventually lose the martyr cause and be grateful for a site with so many amazing people willing to befriend you and help you improve day by day.

I think this was beautifully said and I agree completely. I don't get frustrated about what other people do because they are responsible for their own journey. I will offer support to them whether they 'deserve it' or not. Because at the end of the day, none of us are perfect. I mess up from time to time- but it's because I have such beautiful, wonderful friends here that I keep getting back on the horse. Because they support me unconditionally, and I know that they have my back. If I slip up, they STILL praise me, and I feel guilty for letting them down, so I push harder.

I guess I'm saying that MFP has been such a great place for me. I don't want to focus on ANYTHING negative when I'm here. Really, I beat up myself enough as it is.

LuvnAG10

This thread makes me sad. Karma, it sounds like you are going through some personal issues and I am sorry about that. But my experience with MFP has always been so positive up till this point. I just feel kinda sick by people calling each other out on what they eat or how you perceive that they cheat. The whole point of this incredible website is not just tracking. It's not about being entirely honest with your fellow MFPers. It's all about perseverance. There are so many times that I would mess up and feel like it was beyond repair and give up. With MFP, I can review back on encouraging words from others and not give up. Let's face it, whether encouraging words are "deserved" or "undeserved", we all need them to get back to a healthy weight.

None of us are perfect and will never be even close as long as we view it as a comparative competition. I don't mean this offensively, but I consider MFP friendship to be a big responsibility and if you don't feel that you can selflessly give encouragement to others, it might be best if you limit your number of friends to only those that you can benefit from or help.

We all have hard days. No one should ever feel called out like that. It seems like people are getting their feelings hurt by this post and while it may have started out innocent, I think we must be careful about harming others on a site that can do so much good. To be honest, if I had seen this kind of post when I was a newbie, I definitely would have viewed MFP in a more negative light.

I wish everyone good luck with their weight loss despite their current status. Sometimes judgment from others can make weight gain worse. Anyone that is heavy should understand that. My theory is, maybe you can eventually lose the martyr cause and be grateful for a site with so many amazing people willing to befriend you and help you improve day by day.

Beautifully put!!!

karmasBFF

This thread makes me sad. Karma, it sounds like you are going through some personal issues and I am sorry about that. But my experience with MFP has always been so positive up till this point. I just feel kinda sick by people calling each other out on what they eat or how you perceive that they cheat. The whole point of this incredible website is not just tracking. It's not about being entirely honest with your fellow MFPers. It's all about perseverance. There are so many times that I would mess up and feel like it was beyond repair and give up. With MFP, I can review back on encouraging words from others and not give up. Let's face it, whether encouraging words are deserved or undeserved, we all need them to get back to a healthy weight.

None of us are perfect and will never be even close as long as we view it as a comparative competition. I don't mean this offensively, but I consider MFP friendship to be a big responsibility and if you don't feel that you can selflessly give encouragement to others, it might be best if you limit your number of friends to only those that you can benefit from or help.

We all have hard days. No one should ever feel called out like that. It seems like people are getting their feelings hurt by this post and while it may have started out innocent, I think we must be careful about harming others on a site that can do so much good. To be honest, if I had seen this kind of post when I was a newbie, I definitely would have viewed MFP in a more negative light.

I wish everyone good luck with their weight loss despite their current status. Sometimes judgment from others can make weight gain worse. Anyone that is heavy should understand that. My theory is, maybe you can eventually lose the martyr cause and be grateful for a site with so many amazing people willing to befriend you and help you improve day by day.

I hope that you read the entire thread before you posted because that would explain what I mean by saying they "cheat" or "lie"; its not perceived, its proven. You are absoulely right in saying that people need the encouragement, but I do not agree with your stating that I cannot do it selflessly. Encouragement should be deserved. What I mean is if a student was cheating, and you knew it, would you commend them on the good grades. Would you tell them to keep doing what they are doing? I do not think that you would, or most people for that matter.

If people are getting their feelings hurt, perhaps they should ask themselves why. If your diary is public and you are doing it with the best intentions of doing it the healthy way, your feelings are not at risk. But if you feel the slightest sting from this and are not walking away, at least educated on the subject, then that's for you to question and answer. I have over 100 friends on this site and am constantly praised for the issues I raise, the support I offer, and my positive attitude. I recommend you request me to see my true colors, and so that you are not biased by one thread.

Because I consider this a big responsibility also, I would imagine you would understand why I am passionate about this.

But, then again, maybe not.

pressica

I did read the entire thread Karma. And in fact, I have read some of your previous threads so I am not trying to be biased in any way. I have seen ways that you have contributed to MFP, and it's appreciated. Food isn't the same as cheating in school, but I can see why you would feel that way. In school, if a person cheats, it messes up the overall average and makes it unfair to other students and brings them down. In this case, it isn't personally affecting your progress. In this case, you aren't encouraging them in something harmful, but rather encouraging positive improvement. The mere fact that people log their food is a HUGE step in the right direction. It is educational and healthy (whether logged in part or full) and I applaude that.

You acknowledge that in an earlier thread so I know that you understand that. I do not feel a sting in the least personally, but when I see people feeling bad it makes me hurt. I just think that we need to be good examples of support on this website because there are enough people to judge us offline. Telling someone that they need to check their diary before they throw stones is harsh, not helpful. I believe in putting things straight and being honest. Your other posts are always very candid and honest. I always admire honesty. I get that you are trying to educate people here, but I will honestly tell you...you cannot educate people by insulting them or calling them out. The part of your brain that processes information works at a decreased rate when you get upset. I prefer positivity.

karmasBFF

This thread makes me sad. Karma, it sounds like you are going through some personal issues and I am sorry about that. But my experience with MFP has always been so positive up till this point. I just feel kinda sick by people calling each other out on what they eat or how you perceive that they cheat. The whole point of this incredible website is not just tracking. It's not about being entirely honest with your fellow MFPers. It's all about perseverance. There are so many times that I would mess up and feel like it was beyond repair and give up. With MFP, I can review back on encouraging words from others and not give up. Let's face it, whether encouraging words are deserved or undeserved, we all need them to get back to a healthy weight.

None of us are perfect and will never be even close as long as we view it as a comparative competition. I don't mean this offensively, but I consider MFP friendship to be a big responsibility and if you don't feel that you can selflessly give encouragement to others, it might be best if you limit your number of friends to only those that you can benefit from or help.

We all have hard days. No one should ever feel called out like that. It seems like people are getting their feelings hurt by this post and while it may have started out innocent, I think we must be careful about harming others on a site that can do so much good. To be honest, if I had seen this kind of post when I was a newbie, I definitely would have viewed MFP in a more negative light.

I wish everyone good luck with their weight loss despite their current status. Sometimes judgment from others can make weight gain worse. Anyone that is heavy should understand that. My theory is, maybe you can eventually lose the martyr cause and be grateful for a site with so many amazing people willing to befriend you and help you improve day by day.

I hope that you read the entire thread before you posted because that would explain what I mean by saying they "cheat" or "lie"; its not perceived, its proven. You are absoulely right in saying that people need the encouragement, but I do not agree with your stating that I cannot do it selflessly. Encouragement should be deserved. What I mean is if a student was cheating, and you knew it, would you commend them on the good grades. Would you tell them to keep doing what they are doing? I do not think that you would, or most people for that matter.

If people are getting their feelings hurt, perhaps they should ask themselves why. If your diary is public and you are doing it with the best intentions of doing it the healthy way, your feelings are not at risk. But if you feel the slightest sting from this and are not walking away, at least educated on the subject, then that's for you to question and answer. I have over 100 friends on this site and am constantly praised for the issues I raise, the support I offer, and my positive attitude. I recommend you request me to see my true colors, and so that you are not biased by one thread.

Because I consider this a big responsibility also, I would imagine you would understand why I am passionate about this.

But, then again, maybe not.

I think it is hypocritical for you to state something about calling people out. You did exactly that, by using my name in the very beginning of your post. I am not the only person on this particular thread that feels this way so using my name because I started it is a very weak argument. Granted, you are definitely entitled to an opinion and I do welcome it because THAT IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, but dont say you prefer positivity and then call someone out in the same post.

But for those that are being hypocritical and throwing stones, I will call out because that is a personal attack, as far as I am concerned.

I know everyone has bad days, even bad weeks. I know I do, too. But I am referring to people doing this every day for months and months and months and then weeping about the inability to lose weight. I understand that it takes time for people to get it. and ultimately, it does affect me BECAUSE I care about the people on here.

I think from here we will agree to disagree. I think we hold the same values with regard to everyone losing weight and learning from this experience. We just dont agree on how we choose to go about it.

karmasBFF

I did read the entire thread Karma. And in fact, I have read some of your previous threads so I am not trying to be biased in any way. I have seen ways that you have contributed to MFP, and it's appreciated. Food isn't the same as cheating in school, but I can see why you would feel that way. In school, if a person cheats, it messes up the overall average and makes it unfair to other students and brings them down. In this case, it isn't personally affecting your progress. In this case, you aren't encouraging them in something harmful, but rather encouraging positive improvement. The mere fact that people log their food is a HUGE step in the right direction. It is educational and healthy (whether logged in part or full) and I applaude that.

You acknowledge that in an earlier thread so I know that you understand that. I do not feel a sting in the least personally, but when I see people feeling bad it makes me hurt. I just think that we need to be good examples of support on this website because there are enough people to judge us offline. Telling someone that they need to check their diary before they throw stones is harsh, not helpful. I believe in putting things straight and being honest. Your other posts are always very candid and honest. I always admire honesty. I get that you are trying to educate people here, but I will honestly tell you...you cannot educate people by insulting them or calling them out. The part of your brain that processes information works at a decreased rate when you get upset. I prefer positivity.

On a side note, as I am by no means trying to make internet enemies, I am impressed with your writing abilities! You make for a great debate! :drinker: