Don't get too fit or you can be fired!
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You are 100% correct!Her termination went beyond merely being fit,
There were other factors like both parties texting each other outside work and engaging in sexual innuendo.
When his wife found out, she demanded the employee be fired.
A job is not an entitlement, and a business is not a social service. If my wife found out I was texting the maid and such, the maid would be GONE!
Such is life....
Funny, if I found out my guy was hitting on the maid, HE would be gone, not the maid. But I guess there are a lot of people in the world who are willing to put up with partners who disrespect them and their relationship. And (apparently) a lot of people who think it is OK for a man to have no self control around other women when he is supposed to be in a monogamous relationship.
I love this. Thank you - I really don't get some women and the way they can treat other women or blame them for their husband/boyfriends issues. It would not be fair to fire a maid because your husband flirted with her.
That's the action of a secure person; however, the legality of the termination is not effected.0 -
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/12/27/yelp-users-slam-dentist-who-fired-his-assistant-for-being-irresistible/?test=latestnews
Some quotes from the article:
"Melissa Nelson, a 32-year-old married mother of two, had worked for James Knight for 10 years, and he considered her a stellar worker. But in the final months of her employment, he complained that her tight clothing was distracting -- once telling her that if his pants were bulging that was a sign her clothes were too revealing, according to the Supreme Court opinion."
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"On Dec. 21, the court ruled 7-0 that bosses can fire employees they see as an "irresistible attraction," even if the employees have not engaged in flirtatious behavior or otherwise done anything wrong."
Actually, according to ninemsn.com.au website, it was his WIFE that ordered him to sack her - it wasn't his idea. She thought that the assistant was a threat to their marriage after she found text msgs exchanged between the husband and the assistant...0 -
Everyone keeps talking about a dress code, but nowhere does it say that she broke dress code or that there was even such a dress code in existence. I often see women who are unattractive, large, or lacking in curves walk around with cleavage, tight clothing, or nipples showing through their clothing and nobody says anything but the minute a woman who is naturally curvy walks around in the same clothes, they are harrassed or bashed. I agree that employees need to stick to a dress code, but if there is a dress code, it needs to be equally enforced amongst all employees whether they are a man, woman, large, small, ugly, or attractive.
Apparently the judges ruled according to the letter of the law, but I say that if that is the case we need to be working to get that f@#%ing stupid law changed.0 -
I love browsing through social issue threads and seeing what opinions different people on the boards have.
Funny that a few of the people who I've seen give bad fitness and nutrition advice are also the ones who completely miss the ideas of sexual harassment, office power dynamics, and personal responsibility in being able to keep it in your pants.
Dumb is dumb all around I guess. Makes me giggle.0 -
I am sickened by the amount of women that think this is ok!!! This makes me SO MAD. Honestly, if you can't control your urges around attractive women, perhaps you shouldn't be allowed in public at all. What if he has attractive patients? What if his next door neighbor is attractive? I don't care if a woman is walking down the street in lingerie...if you don't have the self control to stay away, you really shouldn't' be married. I hate people that think that men can't control their sexual urges and we're the ones that are supposed to protect their marriage by wearing a potato sack. Seriously, this guy is a complete jerk. To me, the real story is that he wanted her, she was naive and thought it was all jokes, then his wife found out and ordered that she be fired. This guy is full of crap.0
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^^^^^^^I am sickened by the amount of women that think this is ok!!! This makes me SO MAD. Honestly, if you can't control your urges around attractive women, perhaps you shouldn't be allowed in public at all. What if he has attractive patients? What if his next door neighbor is attractive? I don't care if a woman is walking down the street in lingerie...if you don't have the self control to stay away, you really shouldn't' be married. I hate people that think that men can't control their sexual urges and we're the ones that are supposed to protect their marriage by wearing a potato sack. Seriously, this guy is a complete jerk. To me, the real story is that he wanted her, she was naive and thought it was all jokes, then his wife found out and ordered that she be fired. This guy is full of crap.
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The guy is a weak man, and his wife is an insecure woman...
...but again, this does not effect the legality of the termination.0 -
I am sickened by the amount of women that think this is ok!!! This makes me SO MAD. Honestly, if you can't control your urges around attractive women, perhaps you shouldn't be allowed in public at all. What if he has attractive patients? What if his next door neighbor is attractive? I don't care if a woman is walking down the street in lingerie...if you don't have the self control to stay away, you really shouldn't' be married. I hate people that think that men can't control their sexual urges and we're the ones that are supposed to protect their marriage by wearing a potato sack. Seriously, this guy is a complete jerk. To me, the real story is that he wanted her, she was naive and thought it was all jokes, then his wife found out and ordered that she be fired. This guy is full of crap.
Hellooooooo rape culture. Same premise as "well she shouldn't have been so drunk or worn that tight dress"/ "she was asking for it" logic.
And yes. It does affect the legality of the termination. Because you can't just fire someone because you want to *kitten* them. End of story.0 -
And yes. It does effect the legality of the termination. Because you can't just fire someone because you want to *kitten* them. End of story.
Unfortunately you can in at will state. No reason, bad reason, doesn't matter.
I don't think the wife is insecure though. Her husband told the other woman's husband that he thought he'd have an affair with her. I understand the wife's fears. Her solution was just a bandaid though and won't address the cause of the bleeding.0 -
Wrong...in this case, according to the court decision.I am sickened by the amount of women that think this is ok!!! This makes me SO MAD. Honestly, if you can't control your urges around attractive women, perhaps you shouldn't be allowed in public at all. What if he has attractive patients? What if his next door neighbor is attractive? I don't care if a woman is walking down the street in lingerie...if you don't have the self control to stay away, you really shouldn't' be married. I hate people that think that men can't control their sexual urges and we're the ones that are supposed to protect their marriage by wearing a potato sack. Seriously, this guy is a complete jerk. To me, the real story is that he wanted her, she was naive and thought it was all jokes, then his wife found out and ordered that she be fired. This guy is full of crap.
Hellooooooo rape culture. Same premise as "well she shouldn't have been so drunk or worn that tight dress"/ "she was asking for it" logic.
And yes. It does effect the legality of the termination. Because you can't just fire someone because you want to *kitten* them. End of story.
They have the final word on legality - all we have are opinions.
Don't get me wrong...I think it's a terrible situation all around.0 -
Well if you work in a gym like I do, then the tighter the better.
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People keep focusing on her dress, but that was one snippet of the article. His own attorney stated that the plaintiff didn't do anything wrong. I didn't read anywhere that she refused to change how she dressed. I also didn't read evidence beyond his erection that her clothes were actually inappropriate (and really, many women have curves, it can be impossible to wear something that conceals their shape completely, and why should we have to? People don't expect men with nice broad shoulders to have to wear something that conceals their shape. Of course there is a line, but women with larger breasts would have to wear a potato sack to completely conceal the fact that they exist and prevent people from noticing them. And again, why should they have to? I take care to dress conservatively at work and am still unable to prevent human nature.)
However, since employers can pretty much let anyone go for any reason in many states, I'm not surprised. However, if I were a female employee in that office, I'd quit ASAP. I don't want the wife and the pastor calling the shots on my job, and really, it's pretty difficult to be impartial when you are the boss and your spouse is an employee. (Many professions have ethical codes about not being your friend or loved one's supervisor for this reason.)
It's quite probable that the wife is a co-owner of the practice.0 -
Yeah. I fired my assistant because she looked just like this other woman that i HATE and I was afraid that I would punch her lights out. Lol. (JK)0
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If she had a right to wear it, then he had a right to fire her. Isn't that what democracy is all about? Didn't we fight for equal rights?
Exactly.
She was asked to wear less provocative clothing. She didn't, that's a fact that both sides agreed on.
*shrugs* The dentist showed restraint and self control in that he chose to fire his assistant rather than attempt to get in her pants. I commend the man. He understood what his weakness is and avoided it, just like I don't keep ice cream in my freezer any longer, lol!
And yes, psfr, you can fire someone for having a different religion or belief than you do. About 10 years ago a Muslim boss successfully fired his employee for repeatedly eating BLT sandwiches at her desk. Pork is against their religion, and they asked her to stop and she didn't.
It's called a democracy. It's called capitalism and freedom to believe what you want. Private business owners have a different set of rules than government workers.
Really?? So a democracy means I'm not allowed to eat whatever I want because someone else doesn't eat it for whatever reason and that is enough grounds on which to fire me? Also, the article didn't describe her clothing at all, but very clearly mentioned that her employer said "if there is a bulge in my pants, that is a sign your clothing is too revealing". For all we know, she could have been wearing a potato sack. Sure certain outfits can "inspire" more than others, but plenty of times for plenty of reasons guys are struck by urges and attire doesn't matter.0 -
*shrugs* The dentist showed restraint and self control in that he chose to fire his assistant rather than attempt to get in her pants. I commend the man. He understood what his weakness is and avoided it, just like I don't keep ice cream in my freezer any longer, lol!
A person doesn't get commended for that. It's expected that someone won't sexually assault someone just because they've got a boner. That's called being a regular, respectful human being.
You don't get a cookie for that.
You rock so hard.0 -
WOW.smh0
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But he had self control. Enough to do the right thing and remove himself from a temptation even in the face of adversity.0
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I don't get it. She's not that hot.
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But he had self control. Enough to do the right thing and remove himself from a temptation even in the face of adversity.
He did not "remove himself from a temptation." He removed her from his temptation. It would have been commendable if he had quit. Instead, he ruined her career because he couldn't keep his penis in his pants.0 -
He did not "remove himself from a temptation." He removed her from his temptation. It would have been commendable if he had quit. Instead, he ruined her career because he couldn't keep his penis in his pants.
It is pretty clear the guy is a douche but "ruined her career" is a bit of a stretch. She is a dental assistant.0 -
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wearing too tight clothing and overly revealing stuff in some work environments is unprofessional. sounds like this was one such environment.0
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He did not "remove himself from a temptation." He removed her from his temptation. It would have been commendable if he had quit. Instead, he ruined her career because he couldn't keep his penis in his pants.
It is pretty clear the guy is a douche but "ruined her career" is a bit of a stretch. She is a dental assistant.
This kind of thing will follow her around and may make it difficult for her to get employment again.0 -
*shrugs* The dentist showed restraint and self control in that he chose to fire his assistant rather than attempt to get in her pants. I commend the man. He understood what his weakness is and avoided it, just like I don't keep ice cream in my freezer any longer, lol!
A person doesn't get commended for that. It's expected that someone won't sexually assault someone just because they've got a boner. That's called being a regular, respectful human being.
You don't get a cookie for that.
This. A million damn times this.0 -
And yes. It does affect the legality of the termination. Because you can't just fire someone because you want to *kitten* them. End of story.
Actually, you can. It's called at-will employment. You can be fired for any reason (or for no reason) at any time. There was no gender discrimination here, and the boss was within his legal rights to fire an employee he didn't like or even liked too much. She was not fired solely because of her gender, she was fired for her boss' personal tastes. Totally legally legit. You may not like it, but dems the breaks.0 -
She should have sued for sexual harassment.0
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Those Supreme Court Justices should be impeached, convicted, and removed from office...
I have seen some ridiculous court decisions and that one is the worst...
This court decision could be used to justify rape and sexual harassment... I say this because some Supreme Court decisions can have very broad implications... That is some sick rapist or sexual harasser could say that he had done an act of rape or sexual harassment because he found a woman to be irresistible...0 -
Haven't read through all of the posts, but this is just ridiculous.
There is no way someone who by the sounds of it is a conscientious worker should be fired because of a wife's insecurities and lack of trust in her partner, and his inability to guarantee he could keep it in his pants!! They had worked together for 10 years and the poor lady who lost her job hadn't had an affair with him, why would she now.
Utterly ridiculous, outdated and chauvinistic decision by the court. Unless there was a specific breach of specified clothing policy then there shouldnt be a leg to stand on. If she had been fired for being unattractive as a barmaid or whatever then quite rightly there would have been uproar.0 -
Actually, if you read the story carefully you'll see that the dentist asked his assistant not to wear such revealing clothing and she wouldn't dress in a less provocative manner.
So yeah. Fire the assistant, save your marriage. It's as easy as that.
If the woman had any common sense she could have dressed more conservatively and still been attractive, and then looked for another job. Just because you have 'it' doesn't mean that a professional office is where you should flaunt it, even if you have been working there for 10 years.
So, his employee is responsible for the state of his marriage, and for managing his libido?
Poor little blokey can't control his urges....?
His comment about her clothing and his erections constitutes sexual harassment, incidentally.0 -
Those Supreme Court Justices should be impeached, convicted, and removed from office...
I have seen some ridiculous court decisions and that one is the worst...
This court decision could be used to justify rape and sexual harassment... I say this because some Supreme Court decisions can have very broad implications... That is some sick rapist or sexual harasser could say that he had done an act of rape or sexual harassment because he found a woman to be irresistible...
Precisely.0 -
So, his employee is responsible for the state of his marriage, and for managing his libido?
Poor little blokey can't control his urges....?
His comment about her clothing and his erections constitutes sexual harassment, incidentally.
This exactly0
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