Views on Whole Food Plant based diet?

Firefox7275

Wheatgrass is a good source of b12 if you don't trust Spirulina. I take 2 ounces a day. Let me guess, the carnivores are going to look into what the dairy industry has to say about wheatgrass and come back with a vitamin b12 in wheatgrass attack.

Please stop using tired and inaccurate cliches. My feline companion is an obligate carnivore, she needs nutrients in whole animals (muscle meat, organs, bone, fat) to survive but does not require any dairy or eggs. A cow is a herbivore, it can digest grass.

I am an omnivore, I do not need bone nor the muscle meat of land animals for health, I do need animal products of some description or to use SUPPLEMENTS like yeast or extracts of inedible greens to avoid deficiencies, I cannot digest grass leaves. There is no way of getting enough of these supplements without food scientists getting involved, they are not foods you can gather, hunt or grow in your back yard and eat whole. Wheatgrass is not food in any real sense of the word - extracting the nutrients involves electricity and modern gadgetry.

BTW plenty of MFPers have background in the biological sciences, we are thus reasonably well equipped to distinguish between dietetic science and food industry/ alternative medicine propaganda. Some of us have witnessed animal rights activists demonstrating at the WRONG laboratories because they understand nothing about the most basic of research techniques (animal house v cell lines).

astrampe

There is NO PLANT that tastes like steak or BACON.

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Whahaha! You really are my hero!:drinker: I love meat.....

abrahamsitososa

Wheatgrass is a good source of b12 if you don't trust Spirulina. I take 2 ounces a day. Let me guess, the carnivores are going to look into what the dairy industry has to say about wheatgrass and come back with a vitamin b12 in wheatgrass attack.

Please stop using tired and inaccurate cliches. My feline companion is an obligate carnivore, she needs nutrients in whole animals (muscle meat, organs, bone, fat) to survive but does not require any dairy or eggs. A cow is a herbivore, it can digest grass.

I am an omnivore, I do not need bone nor the muscle meat of land animals for health, I do need animal products of some description or to use SUPPLEMENTS like yeast or extracts of inedible greens to avoid deficiencies, I cannot digest grass leaves. There is no way of getting enough of these supplements without food scientists getting involved, they are not foods you can gather, hunt or grow in your back yard and eat whole. Wheatgrass is not food in any real sense of the word - extracting the nutrients involves electricity and modern gadgetry.

BTW plenty of MFPers have background in the biological sciences, we are thus reasonably well equipped to distinguish between dietetic science and food industry/ alternative medicine propaganda. Some of us have witnessed animal rights activists demonstrating at the WRONG laboratories because they understand nothing about the most basic of research techniques (animal house v cell lines).

Yes your feline is a carnivore. You can call alternative medicine "propaganda" all you want but it works for me and drugs don't cure anyone + they have a ****load of side effects. I prefer to emulate the habits of people that have lived up to 116 years of age. Anyways take a chill pill or something I understand that maybe your diet or something is affecting your mood i dont know but this is a freaking message board lol. Seriously.

"Let food be thy medicine" - Hippocrates

neanderthin

Wheatgrass is a good source of b12 if you don't trust Spirulina. I take 2 ounces a day. Let me guess, the carnivores are going to look into what the dairy industry has to say about wheatgrass and come back with a vitamin b12 in wheatgrass attack.

Please stop using tired and inaccurate cliches. My feline companion is an obligate carnivore, she needs nutrients in whole animals (muscle meat, organs, bone, fat) to survive but does not require any dairy or eggs. A cow is a herbivore, it can digest grass.

I am an omnivore, I do not need bone nor the muscle meat of land animals for health, I do need animal products of some description or to use SUPPLEMENTS like yeast or extracts of inedible greens to avoid deficiencies, I cannot digest grass leaves. There is no way of getting enough of these supplements without food scientists getting involved, they are not foods you can gather, hunt or grow in your back yard and eat whole. Wheatgrass is not food in any real sense of the word - extracting the nutrients involves electricity and modern gadgetry.

BTW plenty of MFPers have background in the biological sciences, we are thus reasonably well equipped to distinguish between dietetic science and food industry/ alternative medicine propaganda. Some of us have witnessed animal rights activists demonstrating at the WRONG laboratories because they understand nothing about the most basic of research techniques (animal house v cell lines).

Yes your feline is a carnivore. You can call alternative medicine "propaganda" all you want but it works for me and drugs don't cure anyone + they have a ****load of side effects. I prefer to emulate the habits of people that have lived up to 116 years of age. Anyways take a chill pill or something I understand that maybe your diet or something is affecting your mood i dont know but this is a freaking message board lol. Seriously.

"Let food be thy medicine" - Hippocrates

What you fail to realize for some reason, it's not that anyone is against alternative medicine per se, it's just that what you've posted as truths from the get go are mostly misinformation. Get that part right and you would be taken more seriously. Personally I don't understand when someone says they've researched nutrition as much as you say you have and not have come across the right information or in the least, conflicting information that would make someone pause. For example, your choices of omega 3's, and b12 vitamins, even vegetarians in these forums have tried to correct you, without success I might add. Superior attitudes are not uncommon with a raw vegan diet, thinking they have the secret to long life, I find that hardliners of paleo are quite similar in their attitude. Sometimes people confuse enthusiasm with the facts, and because fact are unbiased, they tend to make the obvious, more so. I know I've wasted my breath, if your basic correspondence in these nutritional forums are any indication, but say la vie.

mlkuper

I'm in. Read "How to Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease." Also buy a Nutribullet - low cost and easy way to add veggies to your daily servings. It's the poor man's Vitamix. I start my day with one and it's made a world of difference.

I'm new to My Fitness Pal - looking for vegan/vegetarian friends to compare notes with if you're out there.

Topher1978

I absolutely believe in natural and alternative medicine. I have not taken antibiotics for more than half of my life. Quit taking them 18 years ago. I drink a very diluted H2O2 which I make myself along with vitamins. I believe that food is medicine. I believe that exercise is medicine. I believe that scientists and scientific studies are realistic. I also know that many things have not been studied as much as needed to make some medicines credible to the masses. I also know that a lot of health nut BS that is flying in this thread is CONTRARY to scientific studies and conclusions. Some people will say I am nots for drinking peroxide. I had a kidney infection in Nov-Dec… a couple weeks into it, I started my concoction. 2 weeks later, I still had the infection and went to the ER. The doc told me my home made medicine was working and that I did not need to get an antibiotic. That was with a kidney infection. That is a dangerous infection. Yes, I believe in alternative medicine, but not if that medicine contradicts known science.

Pollackj

I have just started eating this way as well.....So far 1 week in, and I have lost 3 pounds....and I am not hungry or having any food cravings.....have you had any trouble at any point? I want to be ready for what is ahead......do you have any helpful suggestions?

sukatglf

I'm 61 years old and been vegan for a little over a year. Occasionally, I eat fish when I'm at restaurants that don't have a decent vegetarian alternative. The changes in my cholesterol, blood sugar, etc., were nearly instantaneous, and within 6 weeks I was off my statin, and my BP med went from 80 mg to 10 mg/day. I lost 40 pounds and now I plan to lose the rest with myfitnesspal. I wish I had done so a year ago because it's so helpful balancing the protein and fats with the carbs. Getting enough protein can be problematic without animal or dairy. I cheat by using egg whites because they have ~20 grams of protein per 100 calories. Nothing comes close in the plant world except seitan. Seitan is easy to make, simply buy vital wheat gluten, mix with water, knead, tear it off into 2" chunks, and boil for an hour. Squeeze out the excess water, throw in the fridge and you have a fist-sized, 100 calorie, 25 gram protein source. It is highly absorbent so I mix with vegetable when sautéing or marinade and grill. Good luck.

dazleeds

Hi All,

I have studied over 50 countries diet. I have done few researches as well about food phytonutrients. I have changed my diet on the way to be like Vegan (I call it plant based food).

Protein myth no one need protein from meat , chicken, fish to live. Human body require very small amount of protein even infant require about 3 gram of protein in mother milk to grow. Veg, beans provide with enough protein ( Almost entire Africa is vegan and you can not challenge me to find protein deficiency in Africa or any osteoporosis) .

Omega 3 (This quite of problem for vegan if they dont get enough from flax seed , walnuts but flax seed is the best , and cut down hugely the intake of omega 6 (corn oil, sunflower oil)). When i was studying diet from Japan , china they used get alot of their Omega 3 from fish which is great source and very healthy if it was clean fish.

B-12 this is the most important vitamins for vegan they must take if they dont eat any fish or chicken once in while.

Unfortunately vegan life span compare to light meat eater is almost the same even the people who eat very small amount of meat or chicken they live longer due the studies the research out there. But this very small amount of meat is like once in week or two.

Vitamin D - is very important some food contain like eggs.

My summery Vegan diet is very healthy and it will increase the life span. But the best diet is to include a good source of fish or organic , or meat once in while not for the protein but for other benefits like b-12 and omega 3, DHA which is you get it directly from fish.

I eat 100% plant based food but once in month we eat some organic fish or organic chicken. The problem is quite hard to find good clean fish. We don't eat any dairy products at all. You will get enough calcium from green vegs.

LoupGarouTFTs

I'm just not certain why anyone would want to make a life-altering decision after watching any film, let alone one designed as propaganda by radical animal liberationists who want to destroy animal agriculture. *shrugs* But whatever works for you . . .

tennisdude2004

Plant based diet - not for me.

But if it covers all of the micro and macro nutrient bases and deliverers the calorie content to be a healthy diet - go for it.

There is not one diet out there that will suit everyone, so find what works best for you and stick with it.

sukatglf

I became a vegan in May 2012 after my doctor gave me a copy of Forks over Knives. Within 4 week, I was off my statin and had reduced my BP dosage by 75%. My cholesterol dropped to ~110 without the medication. Getting enough protein is not easy on plant-based diets. Upon my doctor's advice, I have added fatty fishes (salmon, tuna, mackerel) and take fish oil, plant sterols, and niacin. With my family history and health trajectory, I was looking at an ugly, premature ending to life. Now, I expect to be old and cantankerous for several decades.

Janette3x4

I eat a plant based diet. I feel great on it. Although I am not as thin as I want to be, I blame that on my love for fruits, sweets and more often than I should, I eat processed vegan food like tofu dogs and burgers.
Add me if you want to! I can always use help! I have ten pounds to lose. I recently had radioactive iodine treatment for graves disease and hyperthyroidism, so as I go hypo, I find I am having a hard time not gaining weight.
Good luck to all!

kayemme

I didn't feel like wading through a bunch of arguments about not getting enough protein on a plant-based diet, so I hope I"m not repeating anybody.

Don't worry about what anybody has to say about protein/ nutrition/ deficiencies, etc... Just eat real food.

Now that's a pretty difficult thing to do today, so don't beat yourself up if you're not eating real food all the time right away. Take it one day at a time.... take one day and say, "no meat today." and try something new, just for kicks. Experiment, and make stuff from scratch. There's so much more than tacos, pizzas and hamburgers in the world!

kayemme

There is NO PLANT that tastes like steak or BACON.

whew! what a relief!