Milk and fiscal cliff
kimberliiw
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With the possibilty that milk costs will be rising tremendously in the new year does anybody have alternate plans. We drink a ton of milk in our house. I was thinking of doing what my mom used to do when we were kids and watching pennies. She would mix up powdered milk and mix it 50:50 with whole milk. We tried almond milk a couple of months ago and one member of the family had a horrible allergic reaction to it. Soy milk is okay, but would be cost prohibitive for as much as we use, plus DH doesn't like it at all.
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I think I read that the Ag Secretary has the authority to step in and make adjustments to the subsidy so that this won't happen. I sure hope that's true, as we drink quite a bit of milk in our house too.0
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We drink a lot of milk too. I don't know what we will do if the price goes up as much as they think it will.0
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I stopped drinking milk after doing research in to Monsanto and Genetically-engineered bovine growth hormone (rBGH) in milk that increases cancer risks. Do your own reserch you will be shocked with what you learn.0
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I think my kids drink an insane amount of milk and can be wasteful. I'm pretty much a stickler for my kids to drink either milk, water or a bit of juice. Part of the increase for 2013 has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff and is due to the drought and the price of feed. Milk consumption is down in the U.S. is down - something like 30%. Partly due to milk prices, soda, energy drinks and coffee drinks. I wonder what will happen to the price of soda and fancy coffee drinks if the corn subsidies go away?
A local organic dairy sells non-homogenized milk from grass fed cows for 3.50 a half gallon. I will be curious to see what happens to the price of milk from this dairy. I got a feeling they get little in the way of subsidies. I'm prepared to cut back on milk.0 -
We don't need no stinkin government handouts! What is this, an entitlement welfare nation?
(That was sarcasm, by the way, for those who lack a detector.)0 -
I drink almond and coconut milks. Both better for you than cow milk0
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We don't need no stinkin government handouts! What is this, an entitlement welfare nation?
(That was sarcasm, by the way, for those who lack a detector.)
It is gonna be one eventually at this rate. Like in everything. You want one thing, you have to cut back on another. Fun, fun, fun!0 -
We're going to start raising chickens for eggs to counteract the cost for how much milk we buy. We go through 2 dozen eggs and 3-4 gallons of milk every two weeks. we're going to cut the eggs out.0
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We don't need no stinkin government handouts! What is this, an entitlement welfare nation?
(That was sarcasm, by the way, for those who lack a detector.)
It is gonna be one eventually at this rate. Like in everything. You want one thing, you have to cut back on another. Fun, fun, fun!
I love our welfare state. Couldn't afford hamburger, much less steak if beef wasn't subsidized out the wazoo. I'm surprised this fiscal cliffhanger bad joke isn't affecting that, too.
By the way, it isn't just me, most people couldn't afford beef if it weren't subsidized. If you're not rich and you eat steak, you're a welfare queen.
Of course some people want us to switch to meal worms, but I'm hoping workers will say enough is enough with that. Personally, before I'll eat worms I'll go on the millionaire diet. Because I'm sure beef fatted rich people taste better than worms!0 -
we live off the land and have a milking cow. but coconut milk is good0
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we live off the land and have a milking cow. but coconut milk is good
we considered a cow, but i dont know anyone with a quality bull that isnt just huge. maybe when we get more land.0 -
I stopped drinking milk after doing research in to Monsanto and Genetically-engineered bovine growth hormone (rBGH) in milk that increases cancer risks. Do your own reserch you will be shocked with what you learn.
FYI- Most milk is clearly labeled that it is not produced with rBGH.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.0 -
Soy milk can actually be cheaper than regular milk, at least it is where I shop (Eastern Pennsylvania). I would also try buying any milk in bulk at a club or warehouse store. If you're not a member, see if any of your friends want to go in on the membership with you to split the cost. Lastly, see if there are any farms or farmers markets around you. Sometimes you can get fresh milk cheaper that way.0
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I love almond milk its expensive but it has a long shelf life and it is healthier0
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With the possibilty that milk costs will be rising tremendously in the new year does anybody have alternate plans. We drink a ton of milk in our house. I was thinking of doing what my mom used to do when we were kids and watching pennies. She would mix up powdered milk and mix it 50:50 with whole milk. We tried almond milk a couple of months ago and one member of the family had a horrible allergic reaction to it. Soy milk is okay, but would be cost prohibitive for as much as we use, plus DH doesn't like it at all.
Kick dairy.0 -
I was going to go with the powdered milk idea as well...0
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I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
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look at the price of chicken feed it to is expensive we raise chickens and i sell our excess eggs and barley break even!0
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I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.
Indeed we are not, and if you look at the countries with the closest thing to a free market what you will see is a very small number of very rich people and a whole lot of very poor people and a lot of slaughter.
Societies have the right to create laws and distribute wealth in ways that maintain a healthy, prosperous population. The US doesn't do it nearly as well as many countries in Europe, however.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.
Indeed we are not, and if you look at the countries with the closest thing to a free market what you will see is a very small number of very rich people and a whole lot of very poor people and a lot of slaughter.
Societies have the right to create laws and distribute wealth in ways that maintain a healthy, prosperous population. The US doesn't do it nearly as well as many countries in Europe, however.
It is not the job of society to distribute wealth, if you look they do a terrible job of it. How's the war on poverty doing that Johnson started? Entitlements are what are going to send us over the fiscal cliff ya know0 -
Go on a Paleo diet. You can't have dairy anyways.0
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I was thinking of doing what my mom used to do when we were kids and watching pennies. She would mix up powdered milk and mix it 50:50 with whole milk.
I have never tried that myself, but a good friend's mother used to do that, and he says it basically ruined the milk, that even as a kid, he would have rather had way less "pure" milk then to have that. Although I supposed one small batch could tell you how your family feels about such a concoction.
As others have suggested, why not just drink less milk? It's not like milk is particularly healthy anyway (unless your a baby cow, then its pretty much the best thing around). Water, and way watered down juice are you friends. Also, there are other milk substitutes around, like rice milk, although they tend to be substantially more expensive than conventional milk (and even a lot of organic milk). You could always try making your own alternative milks, dried rice is cheap.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.
Indeed we are not, and if you look at the countries with the closest thing to a free market what you will see is a very small number of very rich people and a whole lot of very poor people and a lot of slaughter.
Societies have the right to create laws and distribute wealth in ways that maintain a healthy, prosperous population. The US doesn't do it nearly as well as many countries in Europe, however.
It is not the job of society to distribute wealth, if you look they do a terrible job of it. How's the war on poverty doing that Johnson started? Entitlements are what are going to send us over the fiscal cliff ya know
Nom nom tasty rich people!
It is indeed the job of society. If laws didn't at least keep the wealthy somewhat in check, we'd all be living in mill towns, indebted to the company store, with our children working right alongside us, and every time we tried to strike the National Guard, the local hired thugs, and the private cops would get called out to slaughter us. That's not my opinion, that's history.0 -
We don't need no stinkin government handouts! What is this, an entitlement welfare nation?
(That was sarcasm, by the way, for those who lack a detector.)
It is gonna be one eventually at this rate. Like in everything. You want one thing, you have to cut back on another. Fun, fun, fun!
I love our welfare state. Couldn't afford hamburger, much less steak if beef wasn't subsidized out the wazoo. I'm surprised this fiscal cliffhanger bad joke isn't affecting that, too.
By the way, it isn't just me, most people couldn't afford beef if it weren't subsidized. If you're not rich and you eat steak, you're a welfare queen.
Of course some people want us to switch to meal worms, but I'm hoping workers will say enough is enough with that. Personally, before I'll eat worms I'll go on the millionaire diet. Because I'm sure beef fatted rich people taste better than worms!
Personally, I'd be worried about the concentration of toxins from all the beef the rich people eat, plus heaven knows what else they put in their bodies. I think I'll just stick to eating plants. Yes, I realize the government subsidizes corn (mostly feed corn), soy, wheat, and even rice, but given the level of subsidies on these products, as well as the inefficiency of animals converting corn to meat/milk/eggs, the actual price of these products is substantially lower than on meat, dairy, and eggs.0 -
We don't need no stinkin government handouts! What is this, an entitlement welfare nation?
(That was sarcasm, by the way, for those who lack a detector.)
It is gonna be one eventually at this rate. Like in everything. You want one thing, you have to cut back on another. Fun, fun, fun!
I love our welfare state. Couldn't afford hamburger, much less steak if beef wasn't subsidized out the wazoo. I'm surprised this fiscal cliffhanger bad joke isn't affecting that, too.
By the way, it isn't just me, most people couldn't afford beef if it weren't subsidized. If you're not rich and you eat steak, you're a welfare queen.
Of course some people want us to switch to meal worms, but I'm hoping workers will say enough is enough with that. Personally, before I'll eat worms I'll go on the millionaire diet. Because I'm sure beef fatted rich people taste better than worms!
Personally, I'd be worried about the concentration of toxins from all the beef the rich people eat, plus heaven knows what else they put in their bodies. I think I'll just stick to eating plants. Yes, I realize the government subsidizes corn (mostly feed corn), soy, wheat, and even rice, but given the level of subsidies on these products, as well as the inefficiency of animals converting corn to meat/milk/eggs, the actual price of these products is substantially lower than on meat, dairy, and eggs.
Eh, they can afford organic, free range stuff. And eating them would be great for the environment, since they use up the bulk of the planet's resources.
At least I think they do, I might be talking out my *kitten* on that one, too lazy to look it up.0 -
Meh, guess I'll have to eat sardines for my calcium.0
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I also get "local" organic non-homogenized milk but I've started mixing it with unsweetened coconut milk in my protein shakes. I don't drink enough milk for price to make much difference, but my son (who lives 3000 miles away) may have to cut back as I'm not planning to send him any extra allowance to cover his milk consumption. Or maybe he'll get a job to cover the difference?A local organic dairy sells non-homogenized milk from grass fed cows for 3.50 a half gallon. I will be curious to see what happens to the price of milk from this dairy. I got a feeling they get little in the way of subsidies. I'm prepared to cut back on milk.
And my mother used to mix powdered and whole when we were kids, too. Guess that's another option, but haven't really seen powdered grass-fed organic. Maybe I'll start looking.0
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