Milk and fiscal cliff
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I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.
Indeed we are not, and if you look at the countries with the closest thing to a free market what you will see is a very small number of very rich people and a whole lot of very poor people and a lot of slaughter.
Societies have the right to create laws and distribute wealth in ways that maintain a healthy, prosperous population. The US doesn't do it nearly as well as many countries in Europe, however.
It is not the job of society to distribute wealth, if you look they do a terrible job of it. How's the war on poverty doing that Johnson started? Entitlements are what are going to send us over the fiscal cliff ya know
Nom nom tasty rich people!
It is indeed the job of society. If laws didn't at least keep the wealthy somewhat in check, we'd all be living in mill towns, indebted to the company store, with our children working right alongside us, and every time we tried to strike the National Guard, the local hired thugs, and the private cops would get called out to slaughter us. That's not my opinion, that's history.
Very well said!
And as for societies doing a terrible job of redistributing wealth, the US hasn't done so well, but many western European nations (e.g. the Dutch) have done a far better job at caring for their populous. In contrast, the US has taken a lot of half measures and has had little follow-through--pretty much a recipe for not solving a serious problem.0 -
Kroger near my house was out of milk yesterday......Makes you wonder?0
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i love almond milk.. I'd buy that for everyone who can drink it and that means you can probably buy regular milk by the pint for the allergy proneWe tried almond milk a couple of months ago and one member of the family had a horrible allergic reaction to it. Soy milk is okay, but would be cost prohibitive for as much as we use, plus DH doesn't like it at all.0 -
Wholeheartedly agree ... However, there is so much the general public doesn't know that would make their skin crawl, that its just easier to stick our heads back in the sand. LOLI honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.
Indeed we are not, and if you look at the countries with the closest thing to a free market what you will see is a very small number of very rich people and a whole lot of very poor people and a lot of slaughter.
Societies have the right to create laws and distribute wealth in ways that maintain a healthy, prosperous population. The US doesn't do it nearly as well as many countries in Europe, however.
It is not the job of society to distribute wealth, if you look they do a terrible job of it. How's the war on poverty doing that Johnson started? Entitlements are what are going to send us over the fiscal cliff ya know
Nom nom tasty rich people!
It is indeed the job of society. If laws didn't at least keep the wealthy somewhat in check, we'd all be living in mill towns, indebted to the company store, with our children working right alongside us, and every time we tried to strike the National Guard, the local hired thugs, and the private cops would get called out to slaughter us. That's not my opinion, that's history.
Very well said!
And as for societies doing a terrible job of redistributing wealth, the US hasn't done so well, but many western European nations (e.g. the Dutch) have done a far better job at caring for their populous. In contrast, the US has taken a lot of half measures and has had little follow-through--pretty much a recipe for not solving a serious problem.
I know. Not a week goes by that I don't wish I had been born in a better country. Before someone says it, yes, I know there are much worse ones, too! But who wouldn't want the best in life?
It isn't even a matter of distribution. Wealth comes from labor. Money is just a symbol of people's time, energy, and efforts. Without societal controls what happens is that wealth gets concentrated into a few hands and the people who then have that wealth have all the power to prevent the people who actually create the wealth from receiving their fair share of it. The job of society is to make sure that doesn't happen.
American society has failed in that. Not as drastically as some societies, but we've still failed.0 -
Vote out EVERYONE. That is the solution.0
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I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.
Indeed we are not, and if you look at the countries with the closest thing to a free market what you will see is a very small number of very rich people and a whole lot of very poor people and a lot of slaughter.
Societies have the right to create laws and distribute wealth in ways that maintain a healthy, prosperous population. The US doesn't do it nearly as well as many countries in Europe, however.
you
are
insane.
If you think Europe is a role model.... hahaha... wow0 -
Vote out EVERYONE. That is the solution.
Can we keep Dennis Kucinich? I rather like him. The rest need to go.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.
Indeed we are not, and if you look at the countries with the closest thing to a free market what you will see is a very small number of very rich people and a whole lot of very poor people and a lot of slaughter.
Societies have the right to create laws and distribute wealth in ways that maintain a healthy, prosperous population. The US doesn't do it nearly as well as many countries in Europe, however.
you
are
insane.
If you think Europe is a role model.... hahaha... wow
Look at the standard of living rankings (they are published every year). Note which countries are on top.
Then make up your own mind.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.
Indeed we are not, and if you look at the countries with the closest thing to a free market what you will see is a very small number of very rich people and a whole lot of very poor people and a lot of slaughter.
Societies have the right to create laws and distribute wealth in ways that maintain a healthy, prosperous population. The US doesn't do it nearly as well as many countries in Europe, however.
It is not the job of society to distribute wealth, if you look they do a terrible job of it. How's the war on poverty doing that Johnson started? Entitlements are what are going to send us over the fiscal cliff ya know
Nom nom tasty rich people!
It is indeed the job of society. If laws didn't at least keep the wealthy somewhat in check, we'd all be living in mill towns, indebted to the company store, with our children working right alongside us, and every time we tried to strike the National Guard, the local hired thugs, and the private cops would get called out to slaughter us. That's not my opinion, that's history.
Very well said!
And as for societies doing a terrible job of redistributing wealth, the US hasn't done so well, but many western European nations (e.g. the Dutch) have done a far better job at caring for their populous. In contrast, the US has taken a lot of half measures and has had little follow-through--pretty much a recipe for not solving a serious problem.
You people read too much Robin Hood.
Redistribution = theft0 -
Water.
Adults do not need milk. Only baby humans need human milk. Soy milk? Not for me.
If it's important for you to buy milk, then buy it, but if you really can't afford it, you don't NEED it and will likely be better off without it.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.
Indeed we are not, and if you look at the countries with the closest thing to a free market what you will see is a very small number of very rich people and a whole lot of very poor people and a lot of slaughter.
Societies have the right to create laws and distribute wealth in ways that maintain a healthy, prosperous population. The US doesn't do it nearly as well as many countries in Europe, however.
It is not the job of society to distribute wealth, if you look they do a terrible job of it. How's the war on poverty doing that Johnson started? Entitlements are what are going to send us over the fiscal cliff ya know
Nom nom tasty rich people!
It is indeed the job of society. If laws didn't at least keep the wealthy somewhat in check, we'd all be living in mill towns, indebted to the company store, with our children working right alongside us, and every time we tried to strike the National Guard, the local hired thugs, and the private cops would get called out to slaughter us. That's not my opinion, that's history.
Very well said!
And as for societies doing a terrible job of redistributing wealth, the US hasn't done so well, but many western European nations (e.g. the Dutch) have done a far better job at caring for their populous. In contrast, the US has taken a lot of half measures and has had little follow-through--pretty much a recipe for not solving a serious problem.
You people read too much Robin Hood.
Redistribution = theft
No more than taking the fruit of another person's labor and calling it capitalism does.0 -
you don't NEED it and will likely be better off without it.
Why would you be better off without it?0 -
If the price of milk doubles, the plan is to stop drinking milk.
I did buy a full gallon a couple of days ago in anticipation of the fiscal cliff.0 -
I started drinking Silk since it's 1/2 the calories of skim milk and has no growth hormones, etc. There are always coupons in the paper and I stock up when it is on sale (the shelf life is much longer then non-organic milk) so the price ends up being the same as regular milk. If milk prices go up it will be cheaper in comparison. Your hubby will eventually get used to it. If not, buy him his own "real" milk. My kids don't like it, but they can't tell the diffrence when I use it in recipes and I like it much better then the powdered stuff.0
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Great discussion everyone and some good ideas. I honestly don't know what I'm going to do if a resolution isn't reached, will play it by ear.
On the egg side of it our city recently passed a regulation allowing a limited number of citizens to raise laying hens. So now our next door neighbor and one across the street have hens. I've already threatened them with egg theft.0 -
You can buy a bull in a straw for like ten bucks when you need to breed your cow.we live off the land and have a milking cow. but coconut milk is good
we considered a cow, but i dont know anyone with a quality bull that isnt just huge. maybe when we get more land.0 -
If this farm bill falls and the price of milk does go up to $8 a gallon, it will affect more than just fluid milk. Everything we eat that contains dairy will also go up. Including PIZZA! AHHHHHH! :noway:0
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And ICE CREAM!!If this farm bill falls and the price of milk does go up to $8 a gallon, it will affect more than just fluid milk. Everything we eat that contains dairy will also go up. Including PIZZA! AHHHHHH! :noway:0 -
I stopped drinking milk after doing research in to Monsanto and Genetically-engineered bovine growth hormone (rBGH) in milk that increases cancer risks. Do your own reserch you will be shocked with what you learn.
MOST milks do not use RBGH anymore due to consumer feedback and complaint, and you can always look for organic milk, which is what we use when we need milk.
Personally, I use soy milk, but still use dairy creamers in my coffee.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
But without subsidies, we would have to raise wages so people could afford food. And that would be *gasp* socialism!! Oh noes!!!0 -
If this farm bill falls and the price of milk does go up to $8 a gallon, it will affect more than just fluid milk. Everything we eat that contains dairy will also go up. Including PIZZA! AHHHHHH! :noway:
Ermehgad!! Not pizza, that's my favorite vegetable!!!0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Cause food riots are a blast, right?
That's what will happen if subsidies end.
Well, the government got itself in a pickle, didn't it. It wasn't intended this way. Each thing was a small way to help. But, now people have come to rely on the government controlling market dynamics. Which is pretty much why I laugh when people claim that the USA is a free market. My *kitten* we are. Lol.
Indeed we are not, and if you look at the countries with the closest thing to a free market what you will see is a very small number of very rich people and a whole lot of very poor people and a lot of slaughter.
Societies have the right to create laws and distribute wealth in ways that maintain a healthy, prosperous population. The US doesn't do it nearly as well as many countries in Europe, however.
It is not the job of society to distribute wealth, if you look they do a terrible job of it. How's the war on poverty doing that Johnson started? Entitlements are what are going to send us over the fiscal cliff ya know
Nom nom tasty rich people!
It is indeed the job of society. If laws didn't at least keep the wealthy somewhat in check, we'd all be living in mill towns, indebted to the company store, with our children working right alongside us, and every time we tried to strike the National Guard, the local hired thugs, and the private cops would get called out to slaughter us. That's not my opinion, that's history.
Very well said!
And as for societies doing a terrible job of redistributing wealth, the US hasn't done so well, but many western European nations (e.g. the Dutch) have done a far better job at caring for their populous. In contrast, the US has taken a lot of half measures and has had little follow-through--pretty much a recipe for not solving a serious problem.
You people read too much Robin Hood.
Redistribution = theft
No more than taking the fruit of another person's labor and calling it capitalism does.
Then you must really hate the people that have no tax and income tax liability, a little under 20% have no tax liability and a little under 50% have no income tax liability0 -
smarter voters are needed and the population has to pay more attention to non-presidential elections... If there was a way to vote people in who would outlaw gerrymandering I'd do it. it makes sense to me to throw a grid over your state and have districts be drawn according to population within each little square.Vote out EVERYONE. That is the solution.
Can we keep Dennis Kucinich? I rather like him. The rest need to go.0 -
Yup me too ^ cow's milk is icky to me anyway so weeeee thanks republicans let's all go off the cliff!I drink almond and coconut milks. Both better for you than cow milk0 -
If the price if milk rises too much, people will just stop buying, this could increase the price more. Then, an ingenious entrepreneur comes up with a new alternative for milk, or a new process, which makes it half the price. Or, a farmer that doesn't need massive amounts of profit, but is willing to take tiny amounts of profit (.5% instead of 3%, as an example). If the government wouldn't meddle in the market, this is how it would work. Of course, the farmers would get all pissed off, or maybe Monsanto would have that entrepreneur disappear.0
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On the egg side of it our city recently passed a regulation allowing a limited number of citizens to raise laying hens. So now our next door neighbor and one across the street have hens. I've already threatened them with egg theft.
I convinced my husband to let me get chickens two years ago. I love my girls! I only have 4 and that is enough eggs for myself, hubby and son. They are little garbage disposals (in a good way) and so much fun. It is definitely worth it for 100+ reasons.0 -
I convinced my husband to let me get chickens two years ago. I love my girls! I only have 4 and that is enough eggs for myself, hubby and son. They are little garbage disposals (in a good way) and so much fun. It is definitely worth it for 100+ reasons.
One of the neighbors with chickens is a crotchety old coot and when I asked him what his chickens names were he looked at me as if I were nuts. If I had chickens they would be my girls too.0 -
One of the neighbors with chickens is a crotchety old coot and when I asked him what his chickens names were he looked at me as if I were nuts. If I had chickens they would be my girls too.
LOL All 4 of mine have names. We lost two of our original three earlier this year and I buried them in our old horse pasture. A friend thought I was nuts for doing that. There's no point in having a rooster unless they free range (which they would not in the city) or if you want to raise chicks. They don't need a boy to make eggs. My hubby said absolutely not to a rooster because of the noise. The hens make hardly any noise at all.0 -
I honestly wish subsidies would end. When you major in Econ in college you learn about how this negatively affects everything. Rent controls, price controls, faming subsidies, cost of gasoline, it's all insane. The true price of things should be what they are and less expensive alternatives will emerge in the market.
Sorry I got a little into politics. But, you can't discuss it without heading there, because that's the cause of it.
Edit: The original farm subsidies were designed more like a loan. If the market tanked the goverment would loan you money and use your crop as collateral until the price rebouned. Then we just switched to paying people to grow corn and soy, flooding the market with these now cheap commodities. Thus the growth of agribusiness and the death of real farms that grew a little bit of everything.0
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