Texas hospital bans obese workers?
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I doubt it will ever take effect because it is discrimination no matter how you look at it. I do not think weight or smokers are any less of workers BUT i can't say if I went to my doctor and he is obese yet discussing with me the problems of my weight (same goes if he smoked)....I would probably think he was a hypocrite. But that goes for my friends who are over weight yet try to give out exercise or eating advice. It won't ever happen tho. They can't not hire someone because of weight, that is just ridiculous. They are still qualified and good doctors. They will get sued so fast.0
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My personal opinion is that if you're working within a hospital, for whatever inside or outside company, you represent them, so you should also represent what they stand for, health.
It kind of makes me think of working within a bank, if you have horrible credit and have not made any effort to pay/maintain your debts, they screen you, and you will not be offered a job. Why? Because they dont want someone who owes money, cannot represent the banks expectations of their clients and esp. give advice if they havent been able to breathe it in and put it into practice in their own lives.
Unlike with your banking analogy, it's not easy to judge when someone is unhealthy. A higher BMI does not necessarily mean lack of health. How many medical professionals smoke, eat poorly, don't get enough sleep or exercise? I'd think that the majority fall under those issues than don't. Are people who are disabled also disallowed from the profession? Or the aged?
I disagree. Like banking, sometimes there are circumstances that aren't factored in the screening, because it's a blanket screening. Lots of people have credit issues from health issues, job loss, or a brief error in judgement when co-signing a loan. That doesn't mean they are bad employees. It doesn't mean they would ever steal from someone. It doesn't mean they shouldn't/couldn't be a loan officer, bank teller, etc. However, that's the truth of the industry. Is it fair in every case? Most certainly not. However, if you leave room for gray, you have to either let everyone get away with something or no one get away with something. They are choosing the "no one" option.0 -
Obesity, (or even just being over weight) is not black and white. I really hate the inside-the-box mindset of society today. They should first try to help those who need to shed the weight. It is not just as simple as calories in calories out. There are people who are very overweight or obese who have tried in vain to lose weight. There are so many poisons that we put into our bodies and we have no clue how they have wrecked the normal functions we used to enjoy. I think that if they are going to set these limits, then they need to be wiling to take an active role in the weight loss efforts of the individual who wants the job but is not within the limits. If they can't do that, they are only contributing to the problem.
I can't speak for the hospital in question, but most area hospitals here have access to gyms for free within the building for their employees. They offer healthy snacks and meals in their cafeterias. And they have access to health insurance that far exceeds the norm for our area. They ARE offering to help.... but it's not being utilized.
ETA - Another random truth. Because the medical industry is "booming", our nursing schools here in Minnesota are full and expanding. Employers have the potential for more candidates for each position - they have more choices. This is possibly also a way to cut back on potential candidates and also to take positions held by long time, higher paid employees, and give them to newer, lower paid employees. Just a thought.0 -
Agreed.
We have a yoga class offered, a gym (at one of our hospitals - not all), a salad bar and plenty of healthy options at the cafeteria, though I still wouldn't dare eat there. Haha.0 -
Agreed.
We have a yoga class offered, a gym (at one of our hospitals - not all), a salad bar and plenty of healthy options at the cafeteria, though I still wouldn't dare eat there. Haha.
I know the health packages offered at some of them are HUGE... they get really extensive. Personal trainers and the whole works - especially for positions hard to fill. (Like certified nurse midwives in Alaska!)0 -
You know, if that's what they want, they should serve healthy food in their hospital cafeteria, give nurses longer than 30 minutes for lunch, put in a small workout room with exercise machines, and have a lower patient-to-nurse ratio to cut back on stress for their workers. This is particularly important for people who work grave or swing, and even more important if they rotate shifts.
If they don't want obese workers, then they really need to take responsibility for some of the problems they are actively promoting. You can't expect healthy workers if you don't provide a healthy atmosphere.
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I don't know, I think this sets the stage for being able to refuse to hire anyone with a health problem.0
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Obesity, (or even just being over weight) is not black and white. I really hate the inside-the-box mindset of society today. They should first try to help those who need to shed the weight. It is not just as simple as calories in calories out. There are people who are very overweight or obese who have tried in vain to lose weight. There are so many poisons that we put into our bodies and we have no clue how they have wrecked the normal functions we used to enjoy. I think that if they are going to set these limits, then they need to be wiling to take an active role in the weight loss efforts of the individual who wants the job but is not within the limits. If they can't do that, they are only contributing to the problem.
It's not just a matter of helping - it takes a change of mindset to make that decision. I know I struggled for quite some time until I was ready to face the fact that I'd become obese and would need to make major changes to my lifestyle to become healthy. No one really helped me - it was just a moment where it suddenly hit me that I didn't want to be this way for the last part of my life.
As for the poisons, we can thank modern society's creation of instant foods for that one and it's crazy food portions. That's why I'm perfectly fine with our government requiring restaurants to post nutrition on their menus. I suspect people would change their eating habits if they knew and could see what they were putting in their bodies. We can also thank our government for allowing all sorts of chemicals into foods that are even banned in Europe. I know recently they brought out that they were removing some sort of chemical from a soda drink...their users caught on that it was banned in Europe and it's original purpose was as a fire retardant so they'd written the company and complained.
As for a hospital banning obese workers...I think it's more a criteria they are requiring of their employees...sorta like if you want to work for this company - you must wear suits and not casual clothing. Hopefully, they are smart enough to know that BMI can be wrong and maybe they'll require people to take a fitness test prior to getting the job. The other issue is there are tons of nurses out there trying to get jobs....they have such a glut of nurses now that they probably wouldn't even have to bring it up in an interview...they'd just pick someone who looks healthy. A lot of right to work states don't really have to even provide a reason for why they fire you...they just do it.0 -
Agreed.
We have a yoga class offered, a gym (at one of our hospitals - not all), a salad bar and plenty of healthy options at the cafeteria, though I still wouldn't dare eat there. Haha.
Thats awesome! I know a lot of business are offering gyms or workout classes now. Or doing meetings while walking instead of sitting. I think its cool that places are offering things to keep their employees healthy and I think it makes them happier too. My brothers work even has a nap room. I WISH! haha. I think when companies go out of their way to do nice things for their employees it makes for a better work environment. My work is the opposite. They buy crap food for everyone on a weekly or daily basis. Most people here are over weight and they say now that I eat like a bird. Oh well better a bird then a pig lol0 -
Would any of you feel more confident in a health care provider that has fit employees? Just wondering if anyone has rolled their eyes at taking heath advice from someone that is obese?
Personally, I trust people more that actually walk the walk. But that is me.
I am obese and do NOT want an obese doctor. I don't care what anybody thinks about it either. Everyone can play nice in the forum, but I'm gonna keep it real. Just like I don't want people with no success giving me advice on MFP, I don't want a fat assed doctor telling me what actions to take to lose weight.0 -
I'm honestly not quite sure how I feel about this. I am an RN and let's just say my BMI is not "normal". Does that mean I am unhealthy...ABSOLUTELY NOT! I have had one call-in in the past year. That's because I had a diabetic seizure. We do have an awesome incentive though for maintaining a healthy BMI. For having a BMI <25 we receive discounts on our health insurance premiums each pay day. If we also have normal cholesterol levels, are non-smokers, have normal blood pressure, and normal blood sugar, we can receive up to $50 off each pay day. Pretty sweet deal and great incentive if you ask me. It adds up over the year.0
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Personally, I trust people more that actually walk the walk. But that is me.
I think it goes both ways. I've seen so many patients that commented how they didn't feel respected or understood by their 'skinny for their whole lives' dietitian (although I acknowledge this may not actually be the case). I've also heard a lot of healthy weight or underweight professionals tell patients that to lose weight or control their diabetes they only need to stop eating all the cakes, biscuits and sweets.... huge assumption and really disempowering.0 -
The amount of times I've read on here "The nurse/doctor was telling me to lose weight/eat more to lose. Why should I take health advice off someone who's obese/bigger than me?"
I don't agree with stopping someone from working because of their size, but I do think people expect to have an example to follow when they are getting health advice (I'm not giving my opinion on that!)0 -
Its how I see it too. I work in the Finance/investement industry and my credit has always been a determination for a job or representing various companies, I also am scrutinized on my appearance. I have to look 'the part' professional and somewhat upscale. I dont see a problem with what they are doing.My personal opinion is that if you're working within a hospital, for whatever inside or outside company, you represent them, so you should also represent what they stand for, health.
It kind of makes me think of working within a bank, if you have horrible credit and have not made any effort to pay/maintain your debts, they screen you, and you will not be offered a job. Why? Because they dont want someone who owes money, cannot represent the banks expectations of their clients and esp. give advice if they havent been able to breathe it in and put it into practice in their own lives.
This is how I see it too, however I think we're going to be in the minority here.0 -
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My personal opinion is that if you're working within a hospital, for whatever inside or outside company, you represent them, so you should also represent what they stand for, health.
It kind of makes me think of working within a bank, if you have horrible credit and have not made any effort to pay/maintain your debts, they screen you, and you will not be offered a job. Why? Because they dont want someone who owes money, cannot represent the banks expectations of their clients and esp. give advice if they havent been able to breathe it in and put it into practice in their own lives.
As someone who attended a graduate school that was part of a hospital system, I can tell you without a doubt how many of the hospital employees puff away on their cigarets under the "no smoking" signs. Hospital does not = healthy. How many healthy people do you know that hang out in hospitals?0 -
People don't get hired for all sorts of reasons. If you are under 18, can't lift 50 pounds over your head, drug testing etc. Obesity is a liability in their eyes, and they write the checks.0
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My personal opinion is that if you're working within a hospital, for whatever inside or outside company, you represent them, so you should also represent what they stand for, health.
It kind of makes me think of working within a bank, if you have horrible credit and have not made any effort to pay/maintain your debts, they screen you, and you will not be offered a job. Why? Because they dont want someone who owes money, cannot represent the banks expectations of their clients and esp. give advice if they havent been able to breathe it in and put it into practice in their own lives.
This is how I see it too, however I think we're going to be in the minority here.
yep, i totally agree. i don't think it's unfair to not want unhealthy people representing a health facility.
I have a problem with this for two reason:
1) Using BMI to gauge the healthiness of a person is just ridiculous. A thirty second google search will give you a couple million reasons why (I always laugh when I remember hearing that it considered Evander Holyfield obese).
2) I don't care how healthy the person treating me at the hospital is. If I need a surgeon to do some life saving procedure on me, I want the best performing surgeon; not the healthiest one. If the surgeon who is most likely to save my life needs to eat a big mac every hour on the hour, I don't care. Put the scalpel in the hand of the best performing thin/fat/healthy person/computer/monkey.
As a side comment, I think it's more appropriate to call a hospital a "sick facility", then a "health facility"...you don't rush there if you are healthy.0 -
Here's an idea on how to screen workers for a particular job. Are they able to do the job, and do it well? That should be the first, last and only question. It has nothing to do with whether you smoke, drink, over eat, or fart unicorns. Neither does your credit score. Those are all personal and private, unless they affect your ability to do the job. Period.
If the government was trying to enforce restrictions there would be riots in the streets. Why is it ok for business to do these things? Business should not be given righrs and privileges that belong to people. I find it hard to fathom that we should even need to have these sort of debates.0 -
If you're not going to hire obese individuals, you shouldn't hire underweight individuals either. I mean, it's only fair.0
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Would any of you feel more confident in a health care provider that has fit employees? Just wondering if anyone has rolled their eyes at taking heath advice from someone that is obese?
Personally, I trust people more that actually walk the walk. But that is me.
I am obese and do NOT want an obese doctor. I don't care what anybody thinks about it either. Everyone can play nice in the forum, but I'm gonna keep it real. Just like I don't want people with no success giving me advice on MFP, I don't want a fat assed doctor telling me what actions to take to lose weight.
This made me laugh out loud. Thank you. Gotta love people that keep it real. :flowerforyou:0 -
I am a nurse - worked Trauma for a number of years. My weight had absolutely nothing to do with how I did my job - NOTHING. My coworkers and patients will tell you the exact same thing. Mind you I have worked with other nurses who are/were larger than me who could not do the job; was it because of their weight, mindset, or both? I also was a smoker, but has since quit.
My theory is that I cannot be an advocate for health, to be a holistic nurse so to speak, if I cannot walk the walk. How sad to do chest compressions on a patient dying of heart failure due to years of cigarette smoking after I have just returned from a smoke break. What a POS I felt I was.
Why I didn't recognize my weight in the same health category as cigarette smoking remains a mystery to me. A problem I am addressing in the here and now.0 -
I don't want to be told to quit smoking by a smoker and I don't want to be told to lose weight by someone fatter than me. A BMI of 35 is still obese, just not morbidly obese. I agree with this rule.0
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For anyone in the UK
No names mentioned as that would be unfair.
My friend (female) passed all the tests and interviews to get a job (same one as I do) and was told at the medical she was too big and was not offered the job. She was told if she lost 12st in 1 year she would be able to get the job without reapplying. This seems shortsighted and unfair. My job does involve walking down aisles on trains though which makes sense, as this would be difficult if you were rather overweight. I work as a guard/conductor on the railways and must be able to walk 3km on ballast (the stones around the track) to be able to protect a train in emergencies if necessary.
I guess this is a safety critical job so maybe that is why you have to have a medical and be within a healthy weight range (whatever that really is). It still seems unfair but realistically makes sense. Regarding nurses, I can't see why a male or female of any size can't do their job efficiently, not everybody is privilleged to have access to all the information we have to share with each other on this website. I know people say you have to help yourself but before I found this place I thought I'd just eat 1200 cals and run a bit. I blame capitalism, government and advertising, but I'd have to break down my reasons as some parts of it are good I guess.
My point is not everyone knows how to eat better and stay in shape so why prejudice against larger people.
Oh and one other point seen as I have ranted here. My friend got a gastric bypass, has now lost 14st and is pregnant and expecting in 2 months, she told bosses to stick the job and is extremely happy to be expecting so I guess that's a happy ending.0 -
Only applicants with a BMI of <35 are even considered for a job...And this is something that might catch on like only hiring nonsmokers...
Is anyone else outraged about this? They say that worker with a BMI >35 cannot do their job effectively! What a crock of crap. I do my job a hell of a lot better than people with BMIs of <20!
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/04/09/texas-hospital-fat-people-bmi-need-not-apply
http://www.builtlean.com/2012/09/24/body-fat-percentage-men-women/
Just as you oppose this based on generalizations, I am offended that you think you do superior work to me with my low BMI.
Were you "trying" to say that people should be hired based on their qualifications and ability to perform and not based on weight? This scenario would seem to make more sense, but reality is that many occupations have regulations. I was never able to model due to my short stature (what do you mean I wasn't pretty enough! Outrage! I will sue!!) Or join the military...it wasn't because of their weight restrictions, but fact is I'm just not a kick-*kitten* sort of girl... (Nope, didn't sue there, either)
I WILL tell you one line of sales at my local mall that always makes me smile - where they might THINK of having a certain "type" of employee... The kiosk that sells weight-loss products, and there is an extremely overweight person manning the desk. Nope, not buying their products... :laugh:0 -
I can totally see a fitness test, especially one focused on job requirements. Endurance to walk for long shifts, haul your butt quickly in cases of emergency and the ability to lift patients. There are plenty of people at about this BMI that could meet those requirements. They are either have a lot of muscle, or are active but overeat.
A slothful couch potato who survives on small quantities of junk food, might meet their BMI requirements, but not be as healthy and qualified.0 -
getting ready for hate responses here but I simply must comment. I totally disagree with the posts I have read. First if you are going to compare this to smoking..i work with smokers where smoking is not permitted...That doesn't stop them...they smoke everywhere with no regard. If I ask them to please step away from me...never mind they are not permitted to smoke, they tell me the smoke is not going my way and don't move. You can't make choices for people and so if a company is not non-profit then they have the right to avoid the drama and discord of attempting to juggle smokers and non-smokers...and by the way the legislation that has brought you companies being able to fire you for the color of your hair if they like let alone any other reason was put in place by Republicans lol...unless you are in a union at least here in PA they can fire you if they don't like the way you smile.
Next we all need to wake up. Being overweight is not a condition that we can't control. It is a condition that is brought on ourselves by bad choices. When are we going to learn not to play victim and take responsibility for our own actions. If you want to eat more than you need then the consequence is being fat. The consequences for being fat is far reaching...social stigma, etc., etc., I am so glad I woke up and stopped feeling sorry for myself...I was fat because i ate more than I needed...it doesn't matter how difficult my life was...when I was fat I was not as good of an employee as I am now...if you think being overweight doesn't affect everything in your life including stamina, outlook, interpersonal relationships which in turn affect how well you function on a team and how well you do your job...you are incorrect. It is annoying and unproductive when you have to do the work of a co-worker because they are winded or have to take a break.
Look around you at people who would die running to catch a bus....is this what the land of the free set out to be? Overindulged spoiled children who think people aren't being nice and aren't accepting them because they are fat? I love people...but just as if you are a heroin addict...that isn't who you really are and so I can accept you but not your habit...if you are fat then I can accept you and embrace you but not the lie that your fat is who you are....fat is a symptom of a very bad habit... you are the person inside ...want to overeat...expect people to treat you differently from those who don't...you have the right to eat and they have the right to have opinions.0 -
All I can say, having read all these comments, is that I personally would be more concerned with getting good treatment in a hospital than I would finding a "healthy" role model. I don't think BMI or the lifestyle of the nurse says an awful lot about their expertise, qualifications, and other measures of knowledge.0
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All I can say, having read all these comments, is that I personally would be more concerned with getting good treatment in a hospital than I would finding a "healthy" role model. I don't think BMI or the lifestyle of the nurse says an awful lot about their expertise, qualifications, and other measures of knowledge.
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I would personally not feel comfortable providing patient education on health if I were obese, much like I could never tell my patients not to smoke if I smoked, but perhaps that is just me. I'd feel like a hypocrite.
For me, somewhat ridiculously, I relate a bit better to medical people who are a bit overweight. I'm less self-conscious and more open to frank discussions. I'm sure all medical people have seen fat people before - I just feel better naked in front of a person whose body is not perfect.
They also, often, have more applicable, real-world, tips and advice. For the same reason I found a doctor who was very close to my age.0
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