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  • taliar93
    taliar93 Posts: 111 Member
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    cook with butter or goose fat.

    That's freaking disturbing, you're right that does sound like a bodybuilder diet, because from everything I've heard/read and been told by an actual chef that was teaching at Jamie Oliver's Ministry of Food, you should use Pure Olive Oil to cook with...

    So you've never heard of Paula Deen? Olive oil is a great cooking oil, but butter has it's place too (like on turkeys). There is nothing wrong with the suggestions he's giving you, except I would wonder to what end he doesn't want you counting calories. I'd have another discussion with him on that point. Besides, a lot of low fat foods have added sugar. pretty much 2 things make flavor: fat and sugar. Fat is more satisfying.

    Paula Deen was also came out that she had Diabetes not that long ago, shes also overweight herself, everything is ok IN MODERATION, but for everyday cooking and living? no thanks.
  • nicola19489
    nicola19489 Posts: 35 Member
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    if u could ask i would appreciate it! i am still confused by everyones comments. i understand cutting out prpcessed foods but tbh i always cook fresh eat lots of veg and fish chicken turkey mince. i did eat crisps whicj i now cut oit. im just worried about one putting on weight as im finding it hard to shift anyway but two clogging up my argeries with too much saturated fat. ive paid a whoppin 250 pounds which if i felt i was gettin sweaty n workin hard i wudnt mind but i feel lole ove been rpbved! ive obly had a free session and one paid for session atm. my own fault i sjudve done a pay as u go but im quite easily persuaded n i wanted to lose weight for my friends hen do.
    i still dont no wot to do he also sed if im hungry eat even if irs before bed. eat. then a suggestion was steak and cheese. i dnt fink he has a pjd or rd as u said but he has done nutrition course. whatever that means good or bad i dont know. i just feel hes ignoring me losing weight.

    i have said several times..ok so im defo gona lose weight ye? n he sed ye ur body shape will change n then the whole bone debsity n muscle mass weighing more...its all jargon to me!
  • nicola19489
    nicola19489 Posts: 35 Member
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    apologies for all my spelling mistakes!
  • HardRockCamaro
    HardRockCamaro Posts: 147
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    Now I'm showing my lack of knowledge:

    "Orange juice has a lot of natural sugar, and a lot of unnatural sugar"

    I know fruit juice has a lot of natural sugar so the sugar content is surprisingly high, and calories to match.

    But unnatural sugar?

    Do you mean orange juice that has added sweetener? Surely pure orange juice doesn't have unnatural anything or am I being naive?

    I'm not picking holes, I'm genuinely asking.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_juice

    "The largest producers of "not from concentrate" use a production process where the juice is placed in aseptic storage, with the oxygen stripped from it, for up to a year. A flavor pack is added in the final step to give the juice flavor.[7] According to the citrus industry, the Food and Drug Administration does not require the contents of flavor packs to be detailed on a product's packaging."

    I don't drink bottled OJ anymore. The whole process disgusts me. What is so hard about producing real orange juice.

    That's very interesting!

    I wonder if that process applies to juice sold in the UK? Hmm... We normally have some decent laws on labelling but the odd loophole does get through...

    I know the stuff that is not 100% juice has all sorts of sweetners and nasties.

    In the UK stuff like that has to have "drink" added to the end of the name. So I avoid anything with "drink" added to the name.
    eg Orange and Mango Juice Drink may be only 15% juice. but Orange and Mango Juice has to be the real deal.


    Am going to look up the UK rules on the stuff that is 100% juice not from concentrate...

    Thanks for the heads up!
  • taliar93
    taliar93 Posts: 111 Member
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    if u could ask i would appreciate it! i am still confused by everyones comments. i understand cutting out prpcessed foods but tbh i always cook fresh eat lots of veg and fish chicken turkey mince. i did eat crisps whicj i now cut oit. im just worried about one putting on weight as im finding it hard to shift anyway but two clogging up my argeries with too much saturated fat. ive paid a whoppin 250 pounds which if i felt i was gettin sweaty n workin hard i wudnt mind but i feel lole ove been rpbved! ive obly had a free session and one paid for session atm. my own fault i sjudve done a pay as u go but im quite easily persuaded n i wanted to lose weight for my friends hen do.
    i still dont no wot to do he also sed if im hungry eat even if irs before bed. eat. then a suggestion was steak and cheese. i dnt fink he has a pjd or rd as u said but he has done nutrition course. whatever that means good or bad i dont know. i just feel hes ignoring me losing weight.

    i have said several times..ok so im defo gona lose weight ye? n he sed ye ur body shape will change n then the whole bone debsity n muscle mass weighing more...its all jargon to me!


    It's like everyone always says, you know your body better than anyone, a nutrition course is a basic breakdown that's basically a half an hour course from what I understand, if you're having doubts about him and his ability to look after and help you, back out of it now, you need to be able to have a solid relationship with your pt, and not worry that he's screwing you over.
    Good luck on your weight loss journey whether you stick with him or not :flowerforyou:
  • phergert55
    phergert55 Posts: 8
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    Yes you should. You should be eating whole food. Start to read your labels, check out the sugar contents in low fat. Also if there is something on the label you can't read or know why would you put it in your body. There is good fat and bad fat. You have to some some fat in your diet and he is telling you to go for good fat. Congratulations on finding a trainer who is wanting to you eat real food,.
  • hatethegame
    hatethegame Posts: 267 Member
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    IMO you should tell him thanks for the advice that you shouldn't log what you eat (and calories) on MFP but you'll pass on that one. That way if he is an idiot, and you don't see reasonable results, you can take your business elsewhere. You need to know how many calories you're eating.
  • nicola19489
    nicola19489 Posts: 35 Member
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    i dont think i can get outcof it. ive signed a contract. not that je gave me a copy. i do qv a bad feeling about it tbh. i understand eating whole foods but tbh his workout was more chat ten working. explaining why we do this andxthat. couldve done that while i was doin sumthin tho in my eyes. arghh i dno how i can get my money back!

    thanks for all your feedback!
  • beskimoosh
    beskimoosh Posts: 375 Member
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    I know a few people are slating him for saying not to count your calories, but I know quite a few programmes (particularly some groups run by the NHS) recommend not counting calories, and gaining a better understanding of the food you eat to make healthy options. I'm a nurse, so I don't really have much nutritional experience, but it sounds to me like he's trying to encourage you to eat less processed foods, and to develop a positive relationship with food.

    My advice is to ask him the reasons behind it, if he's giving this information out he should have evidence to back it up that he is able to show you. You don't have to be confrontational, just explain that it goes against what your instinct is, and you were wondering about the research base for it.

    Hope that helps!

    ps. Person saying that a chef told you to only cook with olive oil ever... that's a bit odd, olive oil is too strong flavoured for some things for a start!
  • disdatdude
    disdatdude Posts: 118
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    He may be getting ready to drop the hammer on you workout wise. Maybe he just wants to make sure that you are fully fueled?
  • nicola19489
    nicola19489 Posts: 35 Member
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    thanks, im doubting his commitment now tbh. im taking a lot of what he has advised on board n i am going to eat whole foods but i yhink to a certain degree i should be still counting calories so i dont over eat. still havent had my diet plan sent to me 4 days later. to me thats a whole week of could have losy weight wasted.
  • nicola19489
    nicola19489 Posts: 35 Member
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    i hioe he does drop the hammer! :)
  • offthedeependay
    offthedeependay Posts: 435 Member
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    what does he look like .is he fit?and does he eat what he is telling you to eat?My personal trainer,he is also a friend ,tells me exercises and nutition the same as he does and he is very fit,also he has been doing it for 20 years +...
  • Hearts_2015
    Hearts_2015 Posts: 12,031 Member
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  • nicola19489
    nicola19489 Posts: 35 Member
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    actually english is my first language i just use my tiny touch screen phone which with long nails is rather hard to hit the right buttons 100% of the time.

    during my consultation on monday he did explain the science behind the whole food things mentioning about all the bad stuff you wouldnt want to put into your body. when he bought up changing me from low fat cheese and skimmed milk to whole fats etc i did ask him as i was baffled. i also asked so if i change all this i will definately lose weight? to which he said you probably wont lose weight but your shape will change..which i can understand as long as my clothes fit better thats fine. I still personally dont think eating alot of foods in such high saturated fat will be good for my health?

    the reason i am panicking is because it is now thursday and after a reminder in person and several emails he has still not sent me this specific diet plan with foods to avoid and foods to have and recipes etc.

    my workout yesterday (after already having a free consultation which involved teaching me to warm up do squats and stretch which to add my squats were perfect ) involved me warming up on my own as he was late. then we did 3 sets of squats with a barbell weight ranging from 18 - 25 reps. Then a hamstring dead lift or something cant quite remember. again 3 sets of 25. and then we stretched. this is in an hour?

    i feel my session was wasted and coming on here and positing is reassuring me that i am right and i am not expecting too much when i am paying alot of money. support and opinions is exactly why im posting on MFP.
  • IronSmasher
    IronSmasher Posts: 3,908 Member
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    Right.

    It's hard to judge them, or their qualifications, because we can't see the big picture.

    It's possible for a trainer to have qualifications in fitness, exercise instruction and nutrition.
    It's also possible for them to have none.

    It's possible that they are tailoring an exercise program and specific changes to your diet and lifestyle that will suit you.
    It's also possible they're just talking buzzwords.

    If they're making very small, easily adaptable changes, specific to your life, that are achievable and taking you on a path to a healthier lifestyle, they're probably qualified or know what they're talking about.
    If they're making broad, sweeping statements, regardless of your current diet/lifestyle/work or family commitments, that they give to all of their clients, they're probably not qualified.
  • IronSmasher
    IronSmasher Posts: 3,908 Member
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    my workout yesterday (after already having a free consultation which involved teaching me to warm up do squats and stretch which to add my squats were perfect ) involved me warming up on my own as he was late. then we did 3 sets of squats with a barbell weight ranging from 18 - 25 reps. Then a hamstring dead lift or something cant quite remember. again 3 sets of 25. and then we stretched. this is in an hour?

    i feel my session was wasted and coming on here and positing is reassuring me that i am right and i am not expecting too much when i am paying alot of money. support and opinions is exactly why im posting on MFP.

    Just break up.
  • rfsatar
    rfsatar Posts: 599 Member
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    My PT has a thing about fruit - he thinks it is the food of the devil!
    However - I don't pay him for nutritional advice, and whilst I am happy to show him my food diary, as long as the weight is coming down with my combination of training and eating better, I'm happy.

    I pay for his specialisation which is posture correction, and rehab pain management.
    For that he's great - everything else I take with a pinch of salt!
  • BettyBlueEyes
    BettyBlueEyes Posts: 56 Member
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    cook with butter or goose fat.

    That's freaking disturbing, you're right that does sound like a bodybuilder diet, because from everything I've heard/read and been told by an actual chef that was teaching at Jamie Oliver's Ministry of Food, you should use Pure Olive Oil to cook with...

    I think Jamie Oliver has shares in Olive Oil. He uses sooooo much of it in everything. I even saw the other day he'd made a lovely butternut squash soup, served it up, then poured oil all over it. Why? WHYYYY?
  • HelloDan
    HelloDan Posts: 712 Member
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    I have two thoughts about this:

    With no disrespect intended, although some of the people here are qualified nutritional experts, most are not, so surely the line about the trainer not being qualified or well qualified, followed by that persons advice is a little hypocritical?
    That said, I don't think qualifications are the only thing that gives someone authority on a topic, it's possible to gain knowledge through informal studying and experience.

    My second thought is that at this stage, it's almost irrelevant if the guy is right or wrong you've built up so much negativity and doubt towards him, that it's unlikely to work out well.

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