Waitress fired for posting this online
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By the way, I don't know how it is now, but when I used to wait tables it was very common to NOT charge the large parties the auto-tip and to tell them so and to let them decide the tip. We did this knowing full well much of the time we would receive a larger than %15 tip (the auto-charge at the time).0
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It's after one p.m. here in South Carolina and my lunch time is over. I own the company but I have people depending on me to get stuff done so I'm out.
Because she showed by her lack of character that she is not trustworthy, and she didn't say it until publicly embarrassed into lame attempts to defend herself.But why are you REFUSING to believe a cash tip was left? Why are you REFUSING that? I'm sorry, it's not you INDIVIDUALLY, but, you get my point.
Look buddy. I'm not trying to take either side here. Like I have told you before, I'm just wasting a little time. I really don;t even care about this story. But it is a hot topic, so I'm here. You have done yor research. and I actually agree with you because you seem to be in tune with this. So good on ya.
It'sd been real!0 -
Also, I'm surprised at how many in this thread dislike tipping and would prefer that servers receive a wage. Isn't a tip based system a form of capitalism that can reward excellence through higher pay for the best servers? Or it should be. And would be if some people weren't so awful. Also, it helps small businesses keep costs down, right? What's wrong with that?
And we wonder why we have a known SOCIALIST in the White House.
As a real socialist, I assure you, Obama is not one.0 -
Also, I'm surprised at how many in this thread dislike tipping and would prefer that servers receive a wage. Isn't a tip based system a form of capitalism that can reward excellence through higher pay for the best servers? Or it should be. And would be if some people weren't so awful. Also, it helps small businesses keep costs down, right? What's wrong with that?
And we wonder why we have a known SOCIALIST in the White House.
As a real socialist, I assure you, Obama is not one.
Then I ask you, if you are a "real socialist," why do you advocate democracy?0 -
First I'll say I've been a waitress and its hard work and they deserve good tips....but only if they give good service. I've been part of a large group that gets the mandatory 18% and some (I said some, not all) wait staff doesn't do a good job with large groups. They know they are getting 18% so why work at it? I've also had the opposite and tip appropriately. Now if the service didn't deserve the 18%, then the appropriate thing would have been to talk with a manager.
I don't agree with the $0 tip. I kinda agree with the statement. I do agree with the firing -- privacy is such a big thing now a days. its amazing what people can do with a signature.0 -
Firing warranted or not? (hand motion) discuss among yourselves......
I believe the customer should have paid the tip, but I don't think the waitress should have posted the receipt, or if she wanted to let everyone know she had a bad day- erase Applebees and the customer's name. She violated the customer's privacy. It embarassed and/or humiliated a customer and that's a big no.0 -
Stereotyping. She is also African-American. Are you going to blame African-Americans?Christians are cheap when it comes to tipping and anything else they don't think they should have to pay for. I am NOT SAYING ALL CHRISTIANS are cheap, but a majority of them are.
Being a cheap christian crosses all races, genders, etc.. I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are entitled to not like my opinion.
Plus, I did say that not all christians are cheap. Just that the majority that I have dealt with are. I will fix that now.0 -
Yeah who actually believes she left a $6 cash tip.
That sounds legit.0 -
Also, I'm surprised at how many in this thread dislike tipping and would prefer that servers receive a wage. Isn't a tip based system a form of capitalism that can reward excellence through higher pay for the best servers? Or it should be. And would be if some people weren't so awful. Also, it helps small businesses keep costs down, right? What's wrong with that?
And we wonder why we have a known SOCIALIST in the White House.
As a real socialist, I assure you, Obama is not one.
Then I ask you, if you are a "real socialist," why do you advocate democracy?
Some define socialism as the same as communism but that isn't my definition. I believe in capitalism for non-essentials and socialism or strict pricing controls for the essentials of life like food, energy, and medicine. With some wiggle room for small businesses in all of those but without the huge corporate profits.
Also, I'm human rights oriented, so I'm completely against allowing sweatshop goods into America. If goods aren't to be made here (providing much needed, decent paying jobs) then at very least let them be made in countries where workers aren't slaughtered for attempting to bargain.
That is my definition of socialism.
Edit: And in defense of real democracy, I advocate the end of private funding for political campaigns.0 -
First I'll say I've been a waitress and its hard work and they deserve good tips....but only if they give good service. I've been part of a large group that gets the mandatory 18% and some (I said some, not all) wait staff doesn't do a good job with large groups. They know they are getting 18% so why work at it? I've also had the opposite and tip appropriately. Now if the service didn't deserve the 18%, then the appropriate thing would have been to talk with a manager.
I don't agree with the $0 tip. I kinda agree with the statement. I do agree with the firing -- privacy is such a big thing now a days. its amazing what people can do with a signature.
Agree
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Also, I'm surprised at how many in this thread dislike tipping and would prefer that servers receive a wage. Isn't a tip based system a form of capitalism that can reward excellence through higher pay for the best servers? Or it should be. And would be if some people weren't so awful. Also, it helps small businesses keep costs down, right? What's wrong with that?
And we wonder why we have a known SOCIALIST in the White House.
whats wrong with some socialism?0 -
People like this make me want to choke the piss out of them...the pastor, not the waitress. Am I the only person who doesn't base their tip off of some arbitrary percentage anyway? I don't give God ****, but I have no problem with leaving a $60 tip on a $60 bill, assuming the service was worth it, and well timed. I am a hard person to read, and my wants can be very strange in a restaurant, so when a waiter/tress gets it 100% right, they deserve a 100% tip.
Regardless, for her to base her tip off of something so frivolous as her religion makes me want to drag her out back and smash her kneecaps.
I rarely use this ridiculous emoticon, but I think it's well deserved: :drinker:
I tip my hat to you, sir!
You took the words right out of my mouth0 -
Stereotyping. She is also African-American. Are you going to blame African-Americans?Christians are cheap when it comes to tipping and anything else they don't think they should have to pay for. I am NOT SAYING ALL CHRISTIANS are cheap, but a majority of them are.
Being a cheap christian crosses all races, genders, etc.. I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are entitled to not like my opinion.
Plus, I did say that not all christians are cheap. Just that the majority that I have dealt with are. I will fix that now.
As a christian, who goes through money like it's water, I can say I had no issue with your post.
Now JEWS, THEY'RE cheap!
LOL!
lol, I get the point people. stereotypes are bad!0 -
whats wrong with some socialism?
What did the Socialist Mom say to her son?
Quit Stalin and show your father your Marks!0 -
what gets me is that the 18% is for a party of 8 or more. Even if it was only 8 people....$34.93 was too much for them? sheesh
I think that is only for the pastor. I have a big family and we go out each couple pays their own way. So even though our table is a party of 12, my bill is for my husband and I. We get the same automatic tip added. My guess is this way the case with the receipt.0 -
sorry but if youre an *kitten* AND a pastor, you DESERVE to have your business put on blast. That guys going to hell. lol. what a dee i cee k!!!0
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I agree with the waitress getting fired. A guest's cheque is a private document especially if it includes their signature. She should not of posted that online as it is a violation of privacy laws.
For the pastor not leaving a tip, I don't agree with her doing that. She should of left something as long as the waitress didn't give terrible service. I really dislike how some places put the automatic tip on the bill... some places do it regardless of the size of the party. I always scratch out the automatic tip and put my own in.
I don't tip based on the percentage that is considered as the proper amount. I tip based on the service I recieve. If I get great service I will tip a larger amount.
I have only not tipped a waitress once... and before anyone gets on my case about it here is the story.
Two friends and I went to lunch at an upper scale hotel restaurant. It was not busy... there were four tables occupied out of about 25 and there were three waitresses on duty at the time. We stood waiting at the "Please wait to be seated sign" for 15 minutes before someone came to bring us to a table. We sat at the table for another 15 minutes before our waitress came (the one who seated us) to take our drink order. She brought the drinks over 5 minutes later and had two of our three drinks wrong. So we requested the drinks we ordered which took her another 10 minutes to bring. At this point we were already getting a bit angry. When she came back with our proper drinks she went to leave before taking our order. We stopped her and gave her our orders (two salads and a sandwich and fries). 25 minutes later, still without our meals or a refill of our drinks we tried to find out waitress... she was standing behind the bar chatting and laughing with the bartender. We asked her if our food would be ready soon at which point she responded "Ya I will go get it in a minute"... 5 minutes later she came back with our food (two soggy salads and a cold sandwich and fries). We asked for the bill at the same time as the food as we had somewhere we needed to be. We had to ask her again for our bill when she brought our food. When she finally returned with the bill we asked for the debit machine so we could pay... waited 10 minutes for that at which point we went to the bar and paid there... non of us leaving her a tip.
What the waitress in the story did was wrong... the pastor should of left something for the waitress if there was good service. I don't believe we should tip based on a certain standard percentage.. I tip based on the service I recieve.0 -
I am not big on religion but it sounds like between dealing with this bs and having to pick a winner for the superbowl on sunday he has a pretty big weekend ahead of himself.0
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I am not big on religion but it sounds like between dealing with this bs and having to pick a winner for the superbowl on sunday he has a pretty big weekend ahead of himself.
or herself.0 -
I am not big on religion but it sounds like between dealing with this bs and having to pick a winner for the superbowl on sunday he has a pretty big weekend ahead of himself.
or herself.
I thought some panda bear or something in California already picked the winner of the superbowl. It was on the news so, it had to be true (rolls eyes) lol0 -
I don't think the waitress should have been fired. All she did was show the receipt to another waitress, it's not her fault the girl she showed it to took a picture of it and posted it online.0
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Not only would I have fired that server for posting that receipt but if I were an employer I would not hire her since she lacks common sense.
Lots of misinformation in this thread too. It is documented that the pastor did indeed leave a tip so all this drama is about a snarky comment. The server was so quick to post the receipt. I am pretty sure if pastor really didn't leave a tip the now unemployed server would have informed her loving public of that.0 -
Also, I'm surprised at how many in this thread dislike tipping and would prefer that servers receive a wage. Isn't a tip based system a form of capitalism that can reward excellence through higher pay for the best servers? Or it should be. And would be if some people weren't so awful. Also, it helps small businesses keep costs down, right? What's wrong with that?
The issue is in the level of discretion.
The way you describe tipping as working is as a form of performance related pay. Performance related pay is common in many industries but usually one's performance is assessed relative to other people doing a similar job by a manager who is required to act professionally and who is not giving out his own money but rather deciding how a pot of money allocated to performance related pay is to be divided. Given that there is a reasonable chance that one's pay may indeed reflect performance.
In a restaurant, though, if people can get away with leaving nothing some of them will regardless of whether the service has been good or bad. Unlike the manager managing an employee the customers don't have to justify themselves to the waiter and may never see the waiter again. It is all rather like the band, whose name I can't quite remember, who made one of their albums available for download and asked people to pay what they thought it was worth and were surprised how many of them paid nothing at all. Did those people think the album was very poor indeed? No, they just didn't see any point in paying for something if they could have it for free.
I can see value in a system where customer can, at their discretion, reward a waiter that has been more than usually attentive but this should be a nice little bonus for the waiter or waitress and not form a major part of their income from the job. To my mind basic service should be included in the price of the food so customers cannot avoid paying for it.
Going back to the specifics of this case I can very well see the pastor's thinking. She is treating the waitress the way one might treat a child and trying to teach the lesson "ask for a reasonable amount and you get it, be greedy and you get nothing" and is using the 10% she gives to God as her yardstick for what is being greedy. The problem with that, of course, is that we all have different ideas about what is reasonable and what is greedy.
As for the sacking the restaurant presumably considered posting a private document such as that receipt in a public place to be gross misconduct. Some organisations may not have been so quick to sack the person concerned but certainly I would expect such breaches to be treated seriously.0 -
It was appropriate to fire the waitress. If I believed in hell, I'd hope the pastor roasts in it. She is a worthless waste of space on Earth and a fine example of why I will never again listen to a human being talk about gods.
You hope someone ends up in a burning lake of fire and eternal torment over not leaving a $6 tip...? Wow... really glad I serve a merciful God instead! Sure it was a snarky inappropriate remark... but believe me she had more than paid for it and 'learned her lesson' by all the negative publicity that she is getting for it.
Yes better judgment should have been used on both sides... The pastor should not have left that comment, as I'm sure has now been made painfully obvious to her by now, as it does tend to paint the Church in a bad light...Not all Christians are like that, and in all honesty I'm sure that on most days she's not like that either.
However, as upset as I'm sure the waitress had every right to be... posting customer receipts on the internet is a HUGE no-no and for liability reasons if I were her employer I'd have to let her go too.
I just think this $6 tip is costing them BOTH soooo much more than it was ever worth in the first place.0 -
It was appropriate to fire the waitress. If I believed in hell, I'd hope the pastor roasts in it. She is a worthless waste of space on Earth and a fine example of why I will never again listen to a human being talk about gods.
You hope someone ends up in a burning lake of fire and eternal torment over not leaving a $6 tip...? Wow... really glad I serve a merciful God instead! Sure it was a snarky inappropriate remark... but believe me she had more than paid for it and 'learned her lesson' by all the negative publicity that she is getting for it.
Yes better judgment should have been used on both sides... The pastor should not have left that comment, as I'm sure has now been made painfully obvious to her by now, as it does tend to paint the Church in a bad light...Not all Christians are like that, and in all honesty I'm sure that on most days she's not like that either.
However, as upset as I'm sure the waitress had every right to be... posting customer receipts on the internet is a HUGE no-no and for liability reasons if I were her employer I'd have to let her go too.
I just think this $6 tip is costing them BOTH soooo much more than it was ever worth in the first place.
If customer had been an atheist and written a *****y note nobody would say: All atheists are cheap, or 'I will never listen to someone rail on about how there's no god ever again because this one atheist was a jerk.'
But because the receipt writer is Christian everyone blames Christianity?
It is not God who made this person behave badly. She behaved badly all on her own and would have behaved badly without her beliefs.
*smh* People really will blame anything but people for humanity's rottenness.0 -
Also, I'm surprised at how many in this thread dislike tipping and would prefer that servers receive a wage. Isn't a tip based system a form of capitalism that can reward excellence through higher pay for the best servers? Or it should be. And would be if some people weren't so awful. Also, it helps small businesses keep costs down, right? What's wrong with that?
The issue is in the level of discretion.
The way you describe tipping as working is as a form of performance related pay. Performance related pay is common in many industries but usually one's performance is assessed relative to other people doing a similar job by a manager who is required to act professionally and who is not giving out his own money but rather deciding how a pot of money allocated to performance related pay is to be divided. Given that there is a reasonable chance that one's pay may indeed reflect performance.
In a restaurant, though, if people can get away with leaving nothing some of them will regardless of whether the service has been good or bad. Unlike the manager managing an employee the customers don't have to justify themselves to the waiter and may never see the waiter again. It is all rather like the band, whose name I can't quite remember, who made one of their albums available for download and asked people to pay what they thought it was worth and were surprised how many of them paid nothing at all. Did those people think the album was very poor indeed? No, they just didn't see any point in paying for something if they could have it for free.
I can see value in a system where customer can, at their discretion, reward a waiter that has been more than usually attentive but this should be a nice little bonus for the waiter or waitress and not form a major part of their income from the job. To my mind basic service should be included in the price of the food so customers cannot avoid paying for it.
Going back to the specifics of this case I can very well see the pastor's thinking. She is treating the waitress the way one might treat a child and trying to teach the lesson "ask for a reasonable amount and you get it, be greedy and you get nothing" and is using the 10% she gives to God as her yardstick for what is being greedy. The problem with that, of course, is that we all have different ideas about what is reasonable and what is greedy.
As for the sacking the restaurant presumably considered posting a private document such as that receipt in a public place to be gross misconduct. Some organisations may not have been so quick to sack the person concerned but certainly I would expect such breaches to be treated seriously.
I completely agree that it is not a good performance system due to some people just being utter jerks (may they all burn in the hell I don't believe in) however minimum wage is not a living wage and if tipping didn't exist server jobs would be reduced to minimum wage just like most of the kitchen jobs are. So waiting tables would cease to be one of the few sometimes lucrative jobs out there for non-professionals.
I would hate to see that happen. I am completely against our minimum wage not being a living wage but so long as our society sees fit to mistreat workers, I hope tipping continues for those lucky enough to work in establishments where the average customer does reward good service with good tips.0 -
If you can't afford to eat out and tip your server fairly - THEN DON'T EAT OUT!
I was a hootergirl for years and I loved it! When the girls got people who didn't tip, believe me, it was the talk of the whole restaurant. People are ignorant. If the service is terrible, then yeah, don't tip or leave a lousy one to let them know. However, if the service is good, leave 15-18%. If it's great, I usually leave 20%+.
UGH PEOPLE MAKE ME SO MAD!
oh yeah the question... you don't post that stuff online... it doesn't warrent being fired, more a warning not to do it again.0 -
I went to applebees website and let them know i will no longer be a customer. How funny i was actually supposed to go there tonight!0
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It was appropriate to fire the waitress. If I believed in hell, I'd hope the pastor roasts in it. She is a worthless waste of space on Earth and a fine example of why I will never again listen to a human being talk about gods.
You hope someone ends up in a burning lake of fire and eternal torment over not leaving a $6 tip...? Wow... really glad I serve a merciful God instead! Sure it was a snarky inappropriate remark... but believe me she had more than paid for it and 'learned her lesson' by all the negative publicity that she is getting for it.
Yes better judgment should have been used on both sides... The pastor should not have left that comment, as I'm sure has now been made painfully obvious to her by now, as it does tend to paint the Church in a bad light...Not all Christians are like that, and in all honesty I'm sure that on most days she's not like that either.
However, as upset as I'm sure the waitress had every right to be... posting customer receipts on the internet is a HUGE no-no and for liability reasons if I were her employer I'd have to let her go too.
I just think this $6 tip is costing them BOTH soooo much more than it was ever worth in the first place.
If customer had been an atheist and written a *****y note nobody would say: All atheists are cheap, or 'I will never listen to someone rail on about how there's no god ever again because this one atheist was a jerk.'
But because the receipt writer is Christian everyone blames Christianity?
It is not God who made this person behave badly. She behaved badly all on her own and would have behaved badly without her beliefs.
*smh* People really will blame anything but people for humanity's rottenness.
^^^Well said!!:flowerforyou:0 -
totally agree0
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