This may be a load of rubbish but worth posting

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  • Iron_Pheonix
    Iron_Pheonix Posts: 191 Member
    In the 1950s, ads in peer-reviewed journal, JAMA proudly proclaimed: ‘More Doctors Smoke Camels Than Any Other Brand.’ At one time, the now-debunked theory (espoused by many supposedly-intelligent-at-the-time-humans), that the planet earth was flat, was an undisputed fact. Just because we think we are so superior and highly-evolved with our science at this time does not mean we are unequivocally correct. Add billions of dollars at stake for the gigantic sweetener industry, and you may begin to have a tiny glimmer of understanding about the futility of asking any governmental agency anywhere in the world to go against the USFDA in asking for a recall and retesting of Aspartame as a drug, as our Aspartame Consumer Safety Network and Pilot Hotline all-volunteer organization has consistently done since 1987. This is a campaign that will be won or lost at the checkout stand. If consumers cease to use a product, whether for safety or lack of effectiveness, it will be history. It took decades for smoking to be declared an issue of gravest importance. Aspartame was approved in 1981. Do the math.
  • Iron_Pheonix
    Iron_Pheonix Posts: 191 Member
    Would you like to post any links to actual research papers that weren't influenced by the government or the companies that produce artificial sweeteners, both of which have a huge amount to lose if they tell you the truth!
  • Iron_Pheonix
    Iron_Pheonix Posts: 191 Member
    Your slating this women for advising you not to consume artificial sweeteners that have been proven to destroy brain cells in unborn children? That triggers many auto immune disease flare ups? Shame on you. For somebody that claims to live by science based research .... Your not very educated in the matter!

    No. You are incorrect. This is a well studied issue and the scientific community has arrived at a consensus.

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/aspartame-truth-vs-fiction/
    http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/faqs/faqaspartame.htm#3
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/MY00073

    Also, concluding that something that may be bad for unborn children is bad for adults to consume suggests quite strongly that you do not understand how to correctly examine scientific evidence and draw conclusions from it. Sorry, but i am educated in that matter.

    You state that I don't understand how to analysise a study and yet you supplied links that weren't even research papers. Try again!
  • krissy_krossy
    krissy_krossy Posts: 307 Member
    Huh, K. :huh:

    *sips Pepsi Max* :drinker:
  • professorRAT
    professorRAT Posts: 690 Member
    Your slating this women for advising you not to consume artificial sweeteners that have been proven to destroy brain cells in unborn children? That triggers many auto immune disease flare ups? Shame on you. For somebody that claims to live by science based research .... Your not very educated in the matter!

    No. You are incorrect. This is a well studied issue and the scientific community has arrived at a consensus.

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/aspartame-truth-vs-fiction/
    http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/faqs/faqaspartame.htm#3
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/MY00073

    Also, concluding that something that may be bad for unborn children is bad for adults to consume suggests quite strongly that you do not understand how to correctly examine scientific evidence and draw conclusions from it. Sorry, but i am educated in that matter.

    You state that I don't understand how to analysise a study and yet you supplied links that weren't even research papers. Try again!

    LOL. You have just proven my point. Cherry picking research papers is NOT how to properly analyze scientific evidence. Experts in scientific areas conduct meta-analysis. This means they look at MANY studies on the topic, discuss them, examine the quality of the studies and panels of experts arrive at a consensus. In some cases, the evidence is in-conclusive, and they state this. In other cases, this meta-analysis points fairly strongly in one direction or another. Then , they will state their consensus view on the topic. That is what I provided in the links, which IS the proper way to analyze scientific evidence. They discuss the research in the meta-analysis and these are sites that represent panels of experts. The first link is a scientist who generally does a good job at providing this type of information on various topics. I sure wish they would teach scientific method and the proper way to examine evidence in schools these days. But, alas.

    I really wonder why none of my many doctors (some are experts in autoimmune liver diseases) have never recommended that I avoid aspartame or any other artificial sweetener. I mean, if there was a scientific consensus that it could flare up autoimmune disease, and they know a flare up could kill me outright, you would think they might have mentioned it.
  • professorRAT
    professorRAT Posts: 690 Member
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  • RhonndaJ
    RhonndaJ Posts: 1,615 Member
    If you don't like the taste of the stuff, don't use it.
    If the stuff makes you feel bad, don't use it.
    If you believe the bad stuff you read about it, don't use it.

    If you like it, don't believe the bad stuff, have at.
  • JKing727
    JKing727 Posts: 34
    I believe it! The government puts so much crap in our food and our water it is crazy! People need to open their eyes!
  • NWCountryGal
    NWCountryGal Posts: 1,992 Member
    This started happening to me in my late 30's, stomach pains, couldn't figure it out. I was lucky early on because a gal-friend of mine, who experienced the same, awful stomach pains, asked me if I was eating anything diet or sugar-free and I said no. Then at work the next day I realized what I was putting in my coffee, it was Sweet and Low, those little pink packets (with sacharin). That was my "culprit" and glad I discovered it early on. Anyone that poopoo's this topic hasn't experienced being ill and not knowing it was actually something poisoning them.

    Denise
    PS different substances/chemicals, effect people differently. One person it doesn't hurt at all, but it can kill another.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Lollercoaster
  • Malaika946
    Malaika946 Posts: 107 Member
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  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
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  • SPNLuver83
    SPNLuver83 Posts: 2,050 Member
    Aspartame causes cancer the same way sugar causes diabetes. As in yeah if you are sucking it down almost exclusively you will definitely have problems.

    exactly. You have to be overconsuming this stuff for it to cause any medical issues. One diet pop a day isn't nearly enough to cause any kind of damage. Just like a little bit of chocolate every day isn't going to make you fat.
  • wikitbikit
    wikitbikit Posts: 518 Member
    Well that's taught me a lesson, story if I have caused offence it was not intentional and I don't think I will be raising a new topic anytime soon.....
    The problem isn't so much with raising a topic, it's more with... Ah, well, look at the title you chose for your post-- You knew yourself that there was a chance that it was alarmist and not scientifically viable. People in turn reacted to that, and that's it, nothing personal. I bet you now have more information on aspartame than you ever imagined! :)
  • ChristiCare
    ChristiCare Posts: 179 Member
    thanks for posting, and there is something to it regardless of what the FDA says.
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    I think more people should buy into this kind of logic. If fewer people are dying diet cokes it'll drive the prices down, and then my drinks will be cheaper!
  • mank32
    mank32 Posts: 1,323 Member
    diet sodas and some lip balms (think the really sweet fruity ones) give me headaches.
    that is why i stay away from artificial sweeteners: empirical evidence. makes ME sick.
  • MartialAngel
    MartialAngel Posts: 64 Member
    I think it's ridiculous that the OP originally stated that they didn't know if it is true or not, and merely posted as a topic of discussion, and still half the people on here are being rude and mocking back to the OP. There was no reason for that. The article didn't say it would cure all the diseases for everyone. It said if you drink diet soda and have the symptoms, you MIGHT be able to reverse symptoms by not drinking it. Those of you that have the diseases and don't consume any aspartame would've had no reason to be offended, should they have read the entire article. Nobody said anything disrespectful to you. Nobody is hurting you. There was no reason for any of you to have been mean or rude to the OP. Personally, I'd like to thank you for posting the article, OP, because I DID find it an interesting read. Thanks for giving me a new research project! Don't let these guys get you down just because they don't like or agree with what you posted. You keep doing your thing.
  • Amazon_Who
    Amazon_Who Posts: 1,092 Member
    http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp
  • NWCountryGal
    NWCountryGal Posts: 1,992 Member
    I wish we all would realize that these things are "ok" to post. Even if it helped ONE SINGLE PERSON figure out why they aren't feeling well, or worse, how can that be a bad thing. If we figure this is an "alarmist" post well maybe we are alarmed because we know we are consuming a lot of chemicals. All I'm saying is why not listen to both sides and forget the rude remarks to others. Do we REALLY believe she posted it to piss people off?? She heard of someone getting really sick and wanted to pass it on to help others, I choose to believe that.

    Maybe whatever we are eating or drinking is making us *****y, angry, mean and nasty to others. I speak from experience.

    Denise
  • NWCountryGal
    NWCountryGal Posts: 1,992 Member
    ditto
    I think it's ridiculous that the OP originally stated that they didn't know if it is true or not, and merely posted as a topic of discussion, and still half the people on here are being rude and mocking back to the OP. There was no reason for that. The article didn't say it would cure all the diseases for everyone. It said if you drink diet soda and have the symptoms, you MIGHT be able to reverse symptoms by not drinking it. Those of you that have the diseases and don't consume any aspartame would've had no reason to be offended, should they have read the entire article. Nobody said anything disrespectful to you. Nobody is hurting you. There was no reason for any of you to have been mean or rude to the OP. Personally, I'd like to thank you for posting the article, OP, because I DID find it an interesting read. Thanks for giving me a new research project! Don't let these guys get you down just because they don't like or agree with what you posted. You keep doing your thing.
  • NWCountryGal
    NWCountryGal Posts: 1,992 Member
    Ditto
    thanks for posting, and there is something to it regardless of what the FDA says.
  • corn63
    corn63 Posts: 1,580 Member
    Why do people post things but say "Don't slam me! I didn't do any kind of investigation of any kind on my behalf. I'm just going to perpetuate misinformation because I saw it on Facebook and everybody knows, Facebook is the be all end all."


    Seriously.
  • bathsheba_c
    bathsheba_c Posts: 1,873 Member
    I wish we all would realize that these things are "ok" to post. Even if it helped ONE SINGLE PERSON figure out why they aren't feeling well, or worse, how can that be a bad thing. If we figure this is an "alarmist" post well maybe we are alarmed because we know we are consuming a lot of chemicals. All I'm saying is why not listen to both sides and forget the rude remarks to others. Do we REALLY believe she posted it to piss people off?? She heard of someone getting really sick and wanted to pass it on to help others, I choose to believe that.

    Maybe whatever we are eating or drinking is making us *****y, angry, mean and nasty to others. I speak from experience.

    Denise

    Because there is no "other side." There's scientific evidence and there's tin-foil hattery. Facts are not like puppies: you don't get to pick the one you like the best.
  • Confuzzled4ever
    Confuzzled4ever Posts: 2,860 Member

    This also applies to cases of tinnitus and fibromyalgia. During a lecture, I said, 'If you are using ASPARTAME (Nutra Sweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting, pains, numbness in your legs,
    Cramps,
    Vertigo,
    Dizziness,
    Headaches,
    Tinnitus,
    Joint pain,
    Unexplainable depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss you probably have ASPARTAME poisoning!'

    Shoot.. and I thought it was simply my monthly friend.. or the after affects of alochol..
  • Ta2dchic20
    Ta2dchic20 Posts: 376 Member
    According to Snopes.com this is an urban legend.
  • Colofit
    Colofit Posts: 177 Member
    Wouldn't drink a can of soda (diet or regular).... They are both terrible for you!!! I prefer "real" food and drink that has some benefit!!!!
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    blah blah blah if it helps even just ONE person it's worthwhile blah blah blah

    To counter that:
    Some people are afraid of going to the doctor, it makes them uneasy and they'd much rather opt for a 'natural' treatment as it's less intimidating/cheaper/easier/more likely to enable them to ignore the problem instead of facing facts. Messages to the tune of 'you may be able to fix your issue by simply doing this one thing at home and then you'll feel better' are extremely appealing because, as mentioned above, going to the doctor can be intimidating/expensive/a hassle/whatever.

    So what do you do if that post hurts just ONE person because they convinced themselves they have an aspartame allergy and nix the diet soda instead of going to the doctor? It works both ways.

    You don't have to trust organizations like the FDA, but they are an agency designed to protect the public. Unless you have damn good proof that they're wrong, it's far better for people to trust that agency over some random stranger on the internet.

    Also, if you're sick, GO TO THE DOCTOR.
  • fit4lifeUcan2
    fit4lifeUcan2 Posts: 1,458 Member
    I have MS, Fibro and RA and never drank diet sodas in my life. If someone is diagnosed with MS and then boom everything is gone after they quit drinking diet soda's then they never had MS in the first place. It is very hard to diagnose MS. There is no one test to confirm it. A negative spinal tap does not mean you do not have MS. It just means its not showing up yet in the spinal fluid. MRI"s are not all that accurate either and it depends on the ability and knowledge of the dr. who is reading those MRI's. I have seen this story going around the internet for the past 15 years ever since I was diagnosed. It's total BULL!
  • Amazon_Who
    Amazon_Who Posts: 1,092 Member
    I have MS, Fibro and RA and never drank diet sodas in my life. If someone is diagnosed with MS and then boom everything is gone after they quit drinking diet soda's then they never had MS in the first place. It is very hard to diagnose MS. There is no one test to confirm it. A negative spinal tap does not mean you do not have MS. It just means its not showing up yet in the spinal fluid. MRI"s are not all that accurate either and it depends on the ability and knowledge of the dr. who is reading those MRI's. I have seen this story going around the internet for the past 15 years ever since I was diagnosed. It's total BULL!
    ^^This^^

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