Eating Clean vs Paleo?
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Neither is required for fat loss. It's all about calories. Whether you get there is clean eating, paleo, atkins, etc.. it honestly won't make fat loss greater. Calories in vs out is the only equation to obtain fat loss. The rest is an approach that can help. But if you do NOT have a metabolic issue, sensitivity or medical issue, then there is no reason to restrict all of these foods.
I do not COMPLETLY agree with this. For the most part yes it is calories in vs calories out, however, you need to make the best choice you can with those calories. Eating a clean breakfast of eggs and oatmeal at around 300 calories is going to give you much better results than an equal calorie breakfast of sugar loaded cerial or fast food.
You need to learn to make the best choices for your calories Choices that are going to keep you satisfied until you next meal.0 -
I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.
Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.
Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.
Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under
WhoTheHell's right and I didn't get fat eating sprouts!
I'm losing weight eating the same food that I always have, just a tad bit less of it.0 -
Alright, let me clarify here:
1. I wanted opinions about people that *participate* in one or the other.
I wanted this because I wanted people to tell me WHY they felt like dairy was a no-no or why even legumes were bad (still not getting that one.) What research or personal feelings have they determined that made them believe that you should do less of one or the other?
2. I believe majority of things should be done in moderation. This included. No, I am not saying I will never ever eat a single grain again. I'm just talking about an average of 75%-90% of the time.
3. If you read my profile, it explains more. I did the "Elimination Diet" to figure out allergies/intolerances/sensitivities as well as to help with the intestinal yeast overgrowth and Leaky Gut Syndrome. I took gluten, wheat, dairy, soy, oats, peanuts, and everything processed out of my diet at 14 years old for 6 months. If I can do it then: I can do it now, so I'm not worried about that.
When I was going through it, everyone thought I was nuts. It did lead me to discover how badly I reacted to half of those foods years ago. I found it extremely difficult to find good recipes and restaurants to accomodate even just gluten-free, though.
That leads me to now, present day. With these new "lifestyles" becoming all the rage, recipes, restaurant menu options, etc., are everywhere. It sparked my interest again since I know that I am ruining my body by ignoring what my body is reacting to negatively. I just wanted to know what NEW research is out, why people chose it, and what things and why they really felt strongly about eliminating dairy or soy or legumes, whatever. It was just to learn!
I, personally, think that keeping dairy, oats, soy, and peanuts away majority of the time (considering my throat swells up when I eat them among other issues :P) is right for me. Keeping processed foods and grains away is a personal choice from the amount of negative chemicals that are put into these things. I do think that eating "regular" stuff every so often is not a big deal. However, I do also believe there are a few benefits from doing something like these "lifestyles."
1. I was off all my medication, erased my diagnoses of Fibromyalgia, IBS, Migraines, Rheynauds and others; dropped 20 lbs within the first few months without exercising; was able to run for the first time in years; and my whole mental self was renewed. (That was at 14.)
2. It gives me something to kinda keep me organized, in a way. I don't go by the whole "fad thing" because it will surely faid at some point, but it is easier typing in "paleo recipes," and explaining to people "I eat clean" rather than listing all the things I can/can't eat, lol. It also helps me find support from fellow people that are doing this instead of WW, or that have actual intolerances like me. It's easier to relate to people that have something taken out of their diets, especially people that focus on not eating processed food.
3. I do completely think that if people do it for the wrong reasons--it will not last. I was living proof of that at one point. Now look at where I am. However, I think you can pretty much abuse any eating style. That's not what I want to do, though. I say lifestyle because I really want it to be a way of life, not a diet. It doesn't mean that I am never ever going to eat any of those foods again, though, like I said.
I really just wanted to learn about these two lifestyles, and why people decided on them, especially since it seems many people do it without even having allergies or such. People recommending crossfit also made me finally search for more info on these "lifestyles" since many of them follow one or the other, too.
I appreciate some of your comments, lol. Some, well, I just skipped because it was getting long and off-topic for me. But thanks for trying! Haha. :P0 -
You can eat very unhealthy either way, if you for instance eat a very few things from the many choices you have. You can also eat very healthy either way.
A lot of people scoff at fad diets, but one of the interesting things about fads is that it makes people think about what they eat, learn new recipes, and figure out what works for them. Paleo won't be good for everybody, but for me the existence of a couple of Paleo restaurants in the area is a wonderful gift, as it lets me get fast-food I can eat: vegetables, meat or fish, and nuts, no gluten, slow carbs. One of those restaurants is right next to a raw food restaurant, which I also love, as it's also gluten free. I use both, and I love it.
I wouldn't say Paleo is a fad diet as its been around since the 70s... or arguably since the dawn of man kind.
Not sure that 'clean eating' would be catagorized as a fad diet either.Whenever I see someone obsessed over what they shouldn't eat, I wonder what their religion is. It is highly unusual for someone to have exclusionary diets except that they believe that's what their god wants for them.
maybe i just didn't follow the conversation but i don't see what religion has to do with anything.
Because normally people do not have exclusionary diets unless dictated by religion.
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I take it that you've never studied religion or sociology? There are many major world religions that tell their adherents not to eat certain things. It's actually pretty common in the Big 3: Christianity, Judaism, Islam. It can also be found in Hindu and others.
I don't know how to state my opinion any more clearly than what I have done. *shrug*
i understand the religious aspect though I don't understand the 'normally' part. You probably missed the entire wave of dieting trends out now. It's cool though, Three decades does go by pretty fast0 -
I take it that you've never studied religion or sociology? There are many major world religions that tell their adherents not to eat certain things. It's actually pretty common in the Big 3: Christianity, Judaism, Islam. It can also be found in Hindu and others.
I don't know how to state my opinion any more clearly than what I have done. *shrug*
i guess your right that there are more people following a 'restrictive' diet because of religious reasons then there are because of nutritional reasons.
but i dont see how that your anything else you've said intelligently addresses the OPI do not COMPLETLY agree with this. For the most part yes it is calories in vs calories out, however, you need to make the best choice you can with those calories. Eating a clean breakfast of eggs and oatmeal at around 300 calories is going to give you much better results than an equal calorie breakfast of sugar loaded cerial or fast food.
You need to learn to make the best choices for your calories Choices that are going to keep you satisfied until you next meal.
100% agree with that. Most people on here i see who say you can 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway.
Most people i know who stick to the Paleo diet didn't start it because they needed to lose weight anyway0 -
Neither is required for fat loss. It's all about calories. Whether you get there is clean eating, paleo, atkins, etc.. it honestly won't make fat loss greater. Calories in vs out is the only equation to obtain fat loss. The rest is an approach that can help. But if you do NOT have a metabolic issue, sensitivity or medical issue, then there is no reason to restrict all of these foods.
I do not COMPLETLY agree with this. For the most part yes it is calories in vs calories out, however, you need to make the best choice you can with those calories. Eating a clean breakfast of eggs and oatmeal at around 300 calories is going to give you much better results than an equal calorie breakfast of sugar loaded cerial or fast food.
You need to learn to make the best choices for your calories Choices that are going to keep you satisfied until you next meal.
Best results for what? Weight loss? Immaterial. Health? Maybe. Compliance? Could be. Also, you are excluding a whole big chunk of middle ground. The only choices are no eggs and oatmeal or sugar loaded cereal or fast food. There are many choices that do no fall into one of these 3 categories and this is where the logic and facts start breaking down when things are framed in such extremes.
PS: The Paleo folks would frown on the oatmeal! lol0 -
I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.
Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.
Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.
Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under
WhoTheHell's right and I didn't get fat eating sprouts!
I'm losing weight eating the same food that I always have, just a tad bit less of it.
Which is exactly what the entire blog was about! In fact there is a line that says eat a damn Hershey bar if you want, the world will not end.0 -
100% agree with that. Most people on here i see who say you can 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway.
Most people i know who stick to the Paleo diet didn't start it because they needed to lose weight anyw
Sweeping generalizations much??0 -
Best results for what? Weight loss? Immaterial. Health? Maybe. Compliance? Could be. Also, you are excluding a whole big chunk of middle ground. The only choices are no eggs and oatmeal or sugar loaded cereal or fast food. There are many choices that do no fall into one of these 3 categories and this is where the logic and facts start breaking down when things are framed in such extremes.
PS: The Paleo folks would frown on the oatmeal! lol
i think she's just saying that food choices and what's in them matter, where as some seem to say that as long as your at your calorie goal, the actual nutritional make up of the food doesn't mean much.
it seems to me that the two of you are actually on the same page lol0 -
100% agree with that. Most people on here i see who say you can 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway.
Most people i know who stick to the Paleo diet didn't start it because they needed to lose weight anyw
Sweeping generalizations much??
idk, if you want to argue your going to have to give me more to go on then that lol0 -
Alright, let me clarify here:
1. I wanted opinions about people that *participate* in one or the other.
I wanted this because I wanted people to tell me WHY they felt like dairy was a no-no or why even legumes were bad (still not getting that one.) What research or personal feelings have they determined that made them believe that you should do less of one or the other?
2. I believe majority of things should be done in moderation. This included. No, I am not saying I will never ever eat a single grain again. I'm just talking about an average of 75%-90% of the time.
3. If you read my profile, it explains more. I did the "Elimination Diet" to figure out allergies/intolerances/sensitivities as well as to help with the intestinal yeast overgrowth and Leaky Gut Syndrome. I took gluten, wheat, dairy, soy, oats, peanuts, and everything processed out of my diet at 14 years old for 6 months. If I can do it then: I can do it now, so I'm not worried about that.
When I was going through it, everyone thought I was nuts. It did lead me to discover how badly I reacted to half of those foods years ago. I found it extremely difficult to find good recipes and restaurants to accomodate even just gluten-free, though.
That leads me to now, present day. With these new "lifestyles" becoming all the rage, recipes, restaurant menu options, etc., are everywhere. It sparked my interest again since I know that I am ruining my body by ignoring what my body is reacting to negatively. I just wanted to know what NEW research is out, why people chose it, and what things and why they really felt strongly about eliminating dairy or soy or legumes, whatever. It was just to learn!
I, personally, think that keeping dairy, oats, soy, and peanuts away majority of the time (considering my throat swells up when I eat them among other issues :P) is right for me. Keeping processed foods and grains away is a personal choice from the amount of negative chemicals that are put into these things. I do think that eating "regular" stuff every so often is not a big deal. However, I do also believe there are a few benefits from doing something like these "lifestyles."
1. I was off all my medication, erased my diagnoses of Fibromyalgia, IBS, Migraines, Rheynauds and others; dropped 20 lbs within the first few months without exercising; was able to run for the first time in years; and my whole mental self was renewed. (That was at 14.)
2. It gives me something to kinda keep me organized, in a way. I don't go by the whole "fad thing" because it will surely faid at some point, but it is easier typing in "paleo recipes," and explaining to people "I eat clean" rather than listing all the things I can/can't eat, lol. It also helps me find support from fellow people that are doing this instead of WW, or that have actual intolerances like me. It's easier to relate to people that have something taken out of their diets, especially people that focus on not eating processed food.
3. I do completely think that if people do it for the wrong reasons--it will not last. I was living proof of that at one point. Now look at where I am. However, I think you can pretty much abuse any eating style. That's not what I want to do, though. I say lifestyle because I really want it to be a way of life, not a diet. It doesn't mean that I am never ever going to eat any of those foods again, though, like I said.
I really just wanted to learn about these two lifestyles, and why people decided on them, especially since it seems many people do it without even having allergies or such. People recommending crossfit also made me finally search for more info on these "lifestyles" since many of them follow one or the other, too.
I appreciate some of your comments, lol. Some, well, I just skipped because it was getting long and off-topic for me. But thanks for trying! Haha. :P
Really, either will work great. My wife has PCOS and Postural Orthostatic Techycardia Syndrome so for her, she needs to eat low carbs and gluten free. We did essentially the same thing as an elimination diet. So for her, she eats all her carbs from fruits and veggies and then gets all her other macro's through meat, eggs, protein supplements. Either will work fine as long as they don't incorporate the foods you are allergic to. We did paleo for a few months but didnt see any advantage as a less restrictive diet. In fact, I went back to a normal sensible diet myself as I saw just as much weight loss eating items like bread/rice/nuts as I did on Paleo. For me Paleo was too restrictive.0 -
You can eat very unhealthy either way, if you for instance eat a very few things from the many choices you have. You can also eat very healthy either way.
A lot of people scoff at fad diets, but one of the interesting things about fads is that it makes people think about what they eat, learn new recipes, and figure out what works for them. Paleo won't be good for everybody, but for me the existence of a couple of Paleo restaurants in the area is a wonderful gift, as it lets me get fast-food I can eat: vegetables, meat or fish, and nuts, no gluten, slow carbs. One of those restaurants is right next to a raw food restaurant, which I also love, as it's also gluten free. I use both, and I love it.
I wouldn't say Paleo is a fad diet as its been around since the 70s... or arguably since the dawn of man kind.
Not sure that 'clean eating' would be catagorized as a fad diet either.Whenever I see someone obsessed over what they shouldn't eat, I wonder what their religion is. It is highly unusual for someone to have exclusionary diets except that they believe that's what their god wants for them.
maybe i just didn't follow the conversation but i don't see what religion has to do with anything.
Because normally people do not have exclusionary diets unless dictated by religion.
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I take it that you've never studied religion or sociology? There are many major world religions that tell their adherents not to eat certain things. It's actually pretty common in the Big 3: Christianity, Judaism, Islam. It can also be found in Hindu and others.
I don't know how to state my opinion any more clearly than what I have done. *shrug*
i understand the religious aspect though I don't understand the 'normally' part. You probably missed the entire wave of dieting trends out now. It's cool though, Three decades does go by pretty fast
I'm just talking about my own personal experience. I guess I have met more religious folks in my lifetime than I have fad dieters. :laugh:0 -
I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.
Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.
Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.
Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under
WhoTheHell's right and I didn't get fat eating sprouts!
I'm losing weight eating the same food that I always have, just a tad bit less of it.
Which is exactly what the entire blog was about! In fact there is a line that says eat a damn Hershey bar if you want, the world will not end.
Ok, I'll confess. I commented on the other comment without reading the blog. :blushing:0 -
Neither is required for fat loss. It's all about calories. Whether you get there is clean eating, paleo, atkins, etc.. it honestly won't make fat loss greater. Calories in vs out is the only equation to obtain fat loss. The rest is an approach that can help. But if you do NOT have a metabolic issue, sensitivity or medical issue, then there is no reason to restrict all of these foods.
I do not COMPLETLY agree with this. For the most part yes it is calories in vs calories out, however, you need to make the best choice you can with those calories. Eating a clean breakfast of eggs and oatmeal at around 300 calories is going to give you much better results than an equal calorie breakfast of sugar loaded cerial or fast food.
You need to learn to make the best choices for your calories Choices that are going to keep you satisfied until you next meal.
For optimal satiety or even body recomposition, I will completely agree with you but if you look at it at the pure weight loss perspective it doesn't matter. Now will you possibly lose more muscle mass and not as much fat... probably, but it's still weight loss. This is why I always say fat loss. With weight loss, you have to worry about water weight caused by sodium or increases in glygocgen associated with carbs.0 -
I take it that you've never studied religion or sociology? There are many major world religions that tell their adherents not to eat certain things. It's actually pretty common in the Big 3: Christianity, Judaism, Islam. It can also be found in Hindu and others.
I don't know how to state my opinion any more clearly than what I have done. *shrug*
i guess your right that there are more people following a 'restrictive' diet because of religious reasons then there are because of nutritional reasons.
but i dont see how that your anything else you've said intelligently addresses the OPI do not COMPLETLY agree with this. For the most part yes it is calories in vs calories out, however, you need to make the best choice you can with those calories. Eating a clean breakfast of eggs and oatmeal at around 300 calories is going to give you much better results than an equal calorie breakfast of sugar loaded cerial or fast food.
You need to learn to make the best choices for your calories Choices that are going to keep you satisfied until you next meal.
100% agree with that. Most people on here i see who say you can 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway.
Most people i know who stick to the Paleo diet didn't start it because they needed to lose weight anyway
I eat what I want, and I'm halfway to my goal.0 -
Well like most of these Clean Eating/ Paleo threads, this has devolved into ridiculousness.
Which side would you say bears most of the blame for the devolving this time?0 -
100% agree with that. Most people on here i see who say you can 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway.
Most people i know who stick to the Paleo diet didn't start it because they needed to lose weight anyw
Sweeping generalizations much??
idk, if you want to argue your going to have to give me more to go on then that lol
Well for starters, I don't see anyone saying " 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway." If I'm wrong please point it out and I will stand corrected. I do people essentially saying If It Fits Your Macros or IIFYM. IOW, hit your calorie target and your macro nutrient target and do that eating anything you feel comfortable eating. If you do this you will lose weight. The idea is to lose weight and not gain as you stated above. Some may be following this on a bulk but most not.
Secondly, there is thread after thread on Paleo and Clean Eating as a way to lose weight. May not apply to you but that is how many are trying to evaluate it.0 -
Well like most of these Clean Eating/ Paleo threads, this has devolved into ridiculousness.
Which side would you say bears most of the blame for the devolving this time?
Plenty of blame to go around! lol0 -
I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.
Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.
Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.
Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under
WhoTheHell's right and I didn't get fat eating sprouts!
I'm losing weight eating the same food that I always have, just a tad bit less of it.
Which is exactly what the entire blog was about! In fact there is a line that says eat a damn Hershey bar if you want, the world will not end.
Ok, I'll confess. I commented on the other comment without reading the blog. :blushing:
You don't say ?
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For optimal satiety or even body recomposition, I will completely agree with you but if you look at it at the pure weight loss perspective it doesn't matter. Now will you possibly lose more muscle mass and not as much fat... probably, but it's still weight loss. This is why I always say fat loss. With weight loss, you have to worry about water weight caused by sodium or increases in glygocgen associated with carbs.
If all you want to do is lose wieght, might as well cut out all the confusion and just focus on calories in vs out.
but if you want to build a different body, and/or fueling it propperly matters too you, then caloreis in/out is really only one portion of the picture, maybe this is the source of a lot of head butting on this issue, miss understanding what people goals are0 -
I eat what I want, and I'm halfway to my goal.For optimal satiety or even body recomposition, I will completely agree with you but if you look at it at the pure weight loss perspective it doesn't matter. Now will you possibly lose more muscle mass and not as much fat... probably, but it's still weight loss. This is why I always say fat loss. With weight loss, you have to worry about water weight caused by sodium or increases in glygocgen associated with carbs.
If all you want to do is lose wieght, might as well cut out all the confusion and just focus on calories in vs out.
but if you want to build a different body, and/or fueling it propperly matters too you, then caloreis in/out is really only one portion of the picture, maybe this is the source of a lot of head butting on this issue, miss understanding what people goals are0 -
If you don't miss these foods, is it really restrictive? In the same vein as telling someone who doesn't luuuurve chocolate how much they are missing out on it, IMO. Paleo eaters can say how restrictive you are by not eating head cheese and liver, too, just because you don't eat it. How many vegetarians are there who just plain don't like to eat meat? I woudl hesitate to call that diet restricted, it's a matter of choice, not necessity. Same with the others. Eating clean/paleo isn't the only way to lose weight, but many people choose to eat thusly to live in optimal health, not for a quick weight loss. Whenever I see somebody crabbing that something is too restrictive, I see somebody who hasn't the willpower to make a change somebody else is willing to make. that is all.
I am on the Slow Carb diet (essentially Paleo with beans) which allows for one "anything goes" cheat day where you are actually encouraged to gorge a bit. So far so good. Nothing is denied, you just have to wait until your cheat day.
For me personally, I don't particularly miss processed carbs, and have found that limiting carbs is the best way for me to control my calorie intake, since for the most part they are the most calorically dense foods out there.
I also find that eating more protein and fat than carbs keep me satiated for 4-5 hours at a time and gives me steady, consistent energy throughout the day. I never have a post-meal food coma eating slow carb.
If eating grains and breads works for you so be it. My metabolism just can't burn those extra calories, even putting in an hour of cardio 5 times a week and lifting weights.0 -
Well for starters, I don't see anyone saying " 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway." If I'm wrong please point it out and I will stand corrected. I do people essentially saying If It Fits Your Macros or IIFYM. IOW, hit your calorie target and your macro nutrient target and do that eating anything you feel comfortable eating. If you do this you will lose weight. The idea is to lose weight and not gain as you stated above. Some may be following this on a bulk but most not.
Secondly, there is thread after thread on Paleo and Clean Eating as a way to lose weight. May not apply to you but that is how many are trying to evaluate it.
yeah i've seen people say just that.
Just because 90% of the people on here are looking to cut fat doesn't mean its people don't have other goals or that its pointless to discuss how they may relate to someone 'just wants to lose wieght'.
No ones arguing that the calorie in/out formula isn't going to work on its own, but the lower you get in terms of body fat, the less well this simple formula will work... and if you think theres essentially no differnce between eating 40g of carbs in the form of candy canes vs 40 g of carbs in the form of brocolli then i dont see any point in arguing with you0 -
Well for starters, I don't see anyone saying " 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway." If I'm wrong please point it out and I will stand corrected. I do people essentially saying If It Fits Your Macros or IIFYM. IOW, hit your calorie target and your macro nutrient target and do that eating anything you feel comfortable eating. If you do this you will lose weight. The idea is to lose weight and not gain as you stated above. Some may be following this on a bulk but most not.
Secondly, there is thread after thread on Paleo and Clean Eating as a way to lose weight. May not apply to you but that is how many are trying to evaluate it.
yeah i've seen people say just that.
Just because 90% of the people on here are looking to cut fat doesn't mean its people don't have other goals or that its pointless to discuss how they may relate to someone 'just wants to lose wieght'.
No ones arguing that the calorie in/out formula isn't going to work on its own, but the lower you get in terms of body fat, the less well this simple formula will work... and if you think theres essentially no differnce between eating 40g of carbs in the form of candy canes vs 40 g of carbs in the form of brocolli then i dont see any point in arguing with you
I don't recall ever saying this " theres essentially no differnce between eating 40g of carbs in the form of candy canes vs 40 g of carbs in the form of brocolli".
I agree with this but no as it relates to Eating Clean " No ones arguing that the calorie in/out formula isn't going to work on its own, but the lower you get in terms of body fat, the less well this simple formula will work...
Hitting macro targets with mostly nutrient dense foods becomes critical at a certain point. As you've fleshed out your point of view, It sounds like you and I agree far more than disagree. As I said in my original comment, I thought your statement was a sweeping generalization. Nothing more than that.0 -
If you don't miss these foods, is it really restrictive? In the same vein as telling someone who doesn't luuuurve chocolate how much they are missing out on it, IMO. Paleo eaters can say how restrictive you are by not eating head cheese and liver, too, just because you don't eat it. How many vegetarians are there who just plain don't like to eat meat? I woudl hesitate to call that diet restricted, it's a matter of choice, not necessity. Same with the others. Eating clean/paleo isn't the only way to lose weight, but many people choose to eat thusly to live in optimal health, not for a quick weight loss. Whenever I see somebody crabbing that something is too restrictive, I see somebody who hasn't the willpower to make a change somebody else is willing to make. that is all.
This to a T!0 -
these food choices are for better health not neccesarily weight loss.0
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these food choices are for better health not neccesarily weight loss.
That could be said of many diets, but there are a good many people who use these diets for weight loss.
But even when it comes to health, there is no evidence that either of these have an advantage over just eating a sensible diet that includes enough variety to provide proper nutrition without causing weight gain.0 -
these food choices are for better health not neccesarily weight loss.
This. I eat clean for the most part. I'm not perfect and I'm not going to beat myself up if I fall to the wayside now and then. But I don't eat it to lose weight, I eat that way because I like how much better I feel. I sleep better, I have more energy and it is honestly not that restrictive at all. I am just making everything myself instead of buying it, and I love cooking so I don't mind that.0 -
I chose paleo/primal because it is what has worked for me in the past to lose weight. I found after having babies if I tried to restrict calories by just eating less of my normal diet, I was still hungry. If I got rid of the grains, I could eat a lot more of other things (vegetables) and I wasn't hungry. So for me, it was bulk (and not being hungry) over moderation (and being hungry.)
But, that is just what worked for me. And because I chose primal, I do allow myself 80/20, but I have noticed that I get headaches more when I eat wheat, so I am considering alternatives for those few wheat products that I occasionally eat. (Like the homemade waffle yesterday morning.)0 -
I happen to have Celiac Disease and have to stay away from gluten. But I agree with a few of these folks in saying that neither of these are aimed for "weight loss" par say, but good to look at if you want to reevaluate your lifestyle. I highly recommend eating as clean as possible, keeping your calorie intake to great fats, proteins, veggies and fruits (the only grain I generally eat is organic oatmeal). When you fill up your food diary with these, first you're not hungry because of how the body response to foods it needs, and you stay away from the processed foods which are oh so toxic to our bodies. For weight loss: if you eat under your maintenance calories (not going under 1200 cals per day) and add exercise to the mix, that will help to lose weight.
The only "diet" i recommend is a smart one. It's great that you've done your own research! Keep doing that. You are the only one who can decide what's best for you. Take and choose from other's advice and aim to live healthy!0
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