Fitness myth pet peeves...
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not trying to be patronising....just recognizing that people will continue to do as the wish.[
all these examples are using comparable measurements....wherease the one that started this is not using comparable measurments.....volume and weight are two different measurements with two different meanings.
suit yourself as to your choice of miscommunications....if it floats your boat, keep doing it. Do recognize you may be causing someone else confusion.
To be fair now, that's a tad patronising.
I feel I've made my point about accuracy in what we're saying....and I do understand the desire to use shortcuts. However, I also recognize that it leads to confusion.
Hope you have a good day, and that this discussion hasn't caused any stress.
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Not at all, I've genuinly enjoyed it. If we can't argue useless semantics with strangers on the internet then I see no reason for Broadband? I would however suggest that the use of universally accepted figures of speech or spoken norms doesn't so much constitute a desire for shortcuts as it does an acceptance of the use of everyday speech and and mannerisms.
It's going out of your way to correct those said mannerisms that demonstrates a desire.
But that said, we have both made our points, so all the best to ya fella.0 -
Same. Sometimes people actually take this stuff seriously, but these threads are usually funny, as this one is.Hope you have a good day, and that this discussion hasn't caused any stress.
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See what you've done now?
You've ruined it for everyone!!0 -
Uh I'll just go ahead and respond to the original post....
It drives me crazy when people act like you can never eat bacon, chocolate or pizza again. You must eat clean for the rest of your life or you will get fat again and DIE.....no, no I won't thank you. I've been able to lose and maintain perfectly fine while eating all of that stuff and more.0 -
"You can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time"
Ohhh that hurt me to my heart when I found that out.
Whaaaaaaat?!?!?! Great...just ruined my day...:noway:
I disagree. I think that you CAN do both "at the same time." I know that I have greater muscle mass today than when I began my quest, yet I've dropped a lot of fat.
Q - If one eats more than TDEE at or around workout days yet still nets under TDEE over, e.g., a month, can muscle be added? What are the "cutoffs" that validate the "can't be done" theory? Over TDEE one day? Two? Under TDEE three days?
No, you can't.
If by "at the same time" you mean the EXACT. SAME. MOMENT. then I agree. OTT, I disagree as alluded to with my questions above.0 -
"You can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time"
Ohhh that hurt me to my heart when I found that out.
Actually you can. It just takes longer. This is what I did and it worked, per the advice of the director of fitness at my gym.
but wait..to build muscle you have to eat at a surplus..to lose fat you have to eat at deficit....how the hell...head explodes...BOOM!
Lyle Mcdonald says that the "obese beginner" may be able to lose fat and build some muscle intially but that after a while it is not possible to add muscle while eating in a deficit to lose fat....bodyrecompisition.com...
...your last sentence just disproved the "absolute rule." Add mine to the mass of exploding heads.....0 -
Agreed0
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That any pill, powder, shake, or fitness gimmick works. They *ALL* include changing to healthy meals, which in itself will work better.
HAHA I love this one Hardwork is the only this that works longterm 0 -
"Muscle weighs more than fat."
Anytime I read/hear this, it is like nails on a chalkboard. A pound of dirt weighs as much as a pound of feathers. Muscle is more DENSE than fat, so you can have more of it, but the two weigh EXACTLY the same.
Actually people complaining about this saying is my pet peeve.
The context (that a 180lb person with 10% BF looks better than a 180lb person with 30% BF) makes it pretty clear that everyone is aware that we are talking "for a given equal volume of each". As far as I'm concerned people complaining about this one just want to believe that everyone else is stupid in order to have an excuse to ***** about them.
This!0 -
Uh I'll just go ahead and respond to the original post....
It drives me crazy when people act like you can never eat bacon, chocolate or pizza again. You must eat clean for the rest of your life or you will get fat again and DIE.....no, no I won't thank you. I've been able to lose and maintain perfectly fine while eating all of that stuff and more.
I literally ate large amounts of bacon, chocolate AND pizza, all in the past week. Look how fat and disgusting I am. Please, somebody stage an intervention and stop me from myself before I become so obese they need to cut a hole in the wall to get me out of my house...0 -
Myth: Muscle weighs more than fat.
Myth: Muscle is more dense than fat.
Myth: Muscle has less volume than fat.
Myth: Muscle is more massive than fat.
Myth: Muscle has less entropy than fat.
Myth: Muscle has a higher specific gravity than fat.
All these statements can be made true if a specific context is added, even if it is only implied. I explained in an earlier post. If you don't understand what I am talking about here, you have no business being in the argument. I'm talking about the science. Words are imperfect.0 -
"Only water counts as water." So as soon as you've dangled a green tea bag in your H2O for 30 seconds, you've completely wrecked its ability to give any benefit of hydration to your system. Soup? Doesn't count as a liquid, apparently. It's only natural that any liquid found in fruits or vegetables (even in juice form) evaporates the instant it touches your teeth, preventing it from adding in any way to the amount of hydration you've gotten in a day.0
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Myth: Muscle weighs more than fat.
Myth: Muscle is more dense than fat.
Myth: Muscle has less volume than fat.
Myth: Muscle is more massive than fat.
Myth: Muscle has less entropy than fat.
Myth: Muscle has a higher specific gravity than fat.
All these statements can be made true if a specific context is added, even if it is only implied. I explained in an earlier post. If you don't understand what I am talking about here, you have no business being in the argument. I'm talking about the science. Words are imperfect.
Oh it's understood, it's just that a lot of it would view the specific definition as being unnecessary for conversational or general purposes.0 -
"Only water counts as water." So as soon as you've dangled a green tea bag in your H2O for 30 seconds, you've completely wrecked its ability to give any benefit of hydration to your system. Soup? Doesn't count as a liquid, apparently. It's only natural that any liquid found in fruits or vegetables (even in juice form) evaporates the instant it touches your teeth, preventing it from adding in any way to the amount of hydration you've gotten in a day.
So much this.0 -
Myth: any of the above statements are even the slightest bit relevant to a conversation on this website.Myth: Muscle weighs more than fat.
Myth: Muscle is more dense than fat.
Myth: Muscle has less volume than fat.
Myth: Muscle is more massive than fat.
Myth: Muscle has less entropy than fat.
Myth: Muscle has a higher specific gravity than fat.
All these statements can be made true if a specific context is added, even if it is only implied. I explained in an earlier post. If you don't understand what I am talking about here, you have no business being in the argument. I'm talking about the science. Words are imperfect.
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Myth: Muscle weighs more than fat.
Myth: Muscle is more dense than fat.
Myth: Muscle has less volume than fat.
Myth: Muscle is more massive than fat.
Myth: Muscle has less entropy than fat.
Myth: Muscle has a higher specific gravity than fat.
All these statements can be made true if a specific context is added, even if it is only implied. I explained in an earlier post. If you don't understand what I am talking about here, you have no business being in the argument. I'm talking about the science. Words are imperfect.
Science, shmience. It's common sense that tells us what someone means when they say "Muscle weighs more than fat".0 -
Science, shmience. It's common sense that tells us what someone means when they say "Muscle weighs more than fat".
There is an old trick question that gets a lot of people who don't know it, "What weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?"
Because it makes so much sense for you to be talking about weight by volume, people outright ignore the fact that your are explicitly comparing by a measurement of weight.
That is how much people are going to think you are talking about density. They will assume it is what you are doing even when you go out of your way not to do it.0 -
"You can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time"
Ohhh that hurt me to my heart when I found that out.
Actually you can. It just takes longer. This is what I did and it worked, per the advice of the director of fitness at my gym.
but wait..to build muscle you have to eat at a surplus..to lose fat you have to eat at deficit....how the hell...head explodes...BOOM!
Lyle Mcdonald says that the "obese beginner" may be able to lose fat and build some muscle intially but that after a while it is not possible to add muscle while eating in a deficit to lose fat....bodyrecompisition.com...
...your last sentence just disproved the "absolute rule." Add mine to the mass of exploding heads.....
hahahahaa...well he says in the article that if you are starting at 30% body fat that you will put on some muscle in first four weeks but then this stops.....0 -
"Im a NATURAL bodybuilder" but recently went off, "im a natural" but is on TRT, "im a natural" but uses grey market not yet classified prohormones and prosteroids....0
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My only contention: guys who come out of prison who only every OVERTRAINED, hitting arms and chest ONLY, EVERYDAY, on hypocaloric, low quality diets and zero to no supplements, and have 20 inch guns....CONSISTENTLY...0
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Anyone who thinks they can turn their fat into muscle should really consider taking up alchemy. You could be rich.
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My only contention: guys who come out of prison who only every OVERTRAINED, hitting arms and chest ONLY, EVERYDAY, on hypocaloric, low quality diets and zero to no supplements, and have 20 inch guns....CONSISTENTLY...
Read up on prison diets. A lot of prisoners eat better than a lot of Americans. So calorie surplus + lifting = muscle gains.0 -
Guys who come out of prison are felons and are therefore not allowed to have guns.My only contention: guys who come out of prison who only every OVERTRAINED, hitting arms and chest ONLY, EVERYDAY, on hypocaloric, low quality diets and zero to no supplements, and have 20 inch guns....CONSISTENTLY... 0 -
My pet peeve is finding workout clothes that are too small. I am trying to get small by doing cardio. My sweat pants are not helping. And I need cardio so obiously I can't fit in these small shorts. Help a big girl out. I'll pay more if I must.0
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I also hate the, "I've gained X pounds, but I've been working out a bit more so I bet it's all muscle" -- after a few weeks of working out, particularly when woman say it. It takes quite a bit of work for women to gain pounds of muscle in place of fat, I read once that with moderate to difficult weight training 3-5 times a week, the average women will gain 1lb of muscle per month is all! I just want to slap some girls (not really), and tell them just eat better, and workout more often!0
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"Muscle weighs more than fat."
Anytime I read/hear this, it is like nails on a chalkboard. A pound of dirt weighs as much as a pound of feathers. Muscle is more DENSE than fat, so you can have more of it, but the two weigh EXACTLY the same.
Muscle DOES weigh more than fat. A cubic inch of muscle is heavier than a cubic inch of fat.0 -
"You can't lose fat and build muscle at the same time."
Oh yes you can. Staying at the same weight but losing inches while on a calorie deficit? Sure.
"Cardio is the only thing you need."
"Intermittent fasting kills your metabolism." "Eat breakfast, it's very important!"
Eh.. no..
"I AM working out, I go for (leisurely) walks at least twice a week. AND I eat healthy foods (loads of them) so why am I gaining weight?"
My greatest pet peeve. Try to make people understand how it all works. I know too well what it's like to be totally in the dark on this subject and I just wish someone had shed some light on it for me years ago...
ETA:
I forgot one.
"Thou shall eat clean or stay fat forever."
Sure, "eating clean" is well and good but how to define what "clean" is? If you use several "clean" ingredients to make something that's "un-clean" like a hamburger that's not allowed? Sticking to lean meat, veggies and avoid bad fats is what _I_ believe in.0 -
The whole "muscle weighs more than fat" irks me too.
We all realize a pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat.
However, when you take muscle and you get an exact same size of fat - the muscle will weigh more .
But this topic has been beaten into the ground and everyone can argue it all day long. It's all in the wording. What they mean, what they say, what you get from it.
My myth pet peeve is those who say fat people can't run. I am fat. I can run just fine. I might not be able to run fast or go as long but damnit I can run. Or thinking its my weight that holds me back. Yes, some. But a lot of it is the pain in my back and hips due to medical problems. But at least my fat a$s tries.
My other peeve is that you can't eat fat. Fat is bad. Fat makes you fat. Uh. No. Fat didnt make me fat. Good fats are a natural appetite suppressant. I'll take that over an herbal supplement that joe schmo at the gym is trying to sell me any day.0 -
Curls for girls. I'm still single haha...0
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"Muscle weighs more than fat."
Anytime I read/hear this, it is like nails on a chalkboard. A pound of dirt weighs as much as a pound of feathers. Muscle is more DENSE than fat, so you can have more of it, but the two weigh EXACTLY the same.
^^^^^THIS!!!
Makes me insane to hear this! I can't even correct them because I'm too busy clearing the steam out of my ears!0
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