OMG! Home food pump for obesity, medically assisted bulemia?

Doberdawn
Doberdawn Posts: 733 Member
in Health and Weight Loss
On the Doctors today, they had a new device which I think is a really bad idea! Basically, a tube is installed into the stomach like a feeding tube, but in reverse. The idea of it is that the obese person can eat all they want of whatever they want & then just pump & suck out the excess. After pumping the stomach out, water is pumped in to decrease the acid. How is this a good plan? It's not like you can selectively suck out only the junk & leave the nutritional stuff. I rather agree with Dr. Travis who said Isn't this just medically-assisted bulemia? Would this ever really be a good idea? How is this possibly healthy?
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  • Gianna5587
    Gianna5587 Posts: 59 Member
    Seriously...? The very concept is disgusting.
  • cwick56
    cwick56 Posts: 48 Member
    That is absolutely horrendous. Bypassing the obvious bewilderment with the concept, it wouldn't teach discipline, or force the user to research and learn about nutrition to better themselves. Always trying to take the easy route... disappointing.
  • MaraDiaz
    MaraDiaz Posts: 4,604 Member
    Crazy. And wouldn't work on me anyway. My cravings and binges have to do with brain chemistry. Chemicals in binge foods never reach brain=what's the point?

    Or maybe they hope it will teach people to disassociate junk food with the brain buzz it gives you?

    Better to teach them to replace that buzz with an exercise buzz instead.
  • cookiealbright
    cookiealbright Posts: 605 Member
    That's just gross!
  • SoDamnHungry
    SoDamnHungry Posts: 6,998 Member
    My face is all like this: :noway: plus a little more horror and disgust.
  • cwick56
    cwick56 Posts: 48 Member
    That is absolutely horrendous. Bypassing the obvious bewilderment with the concept, it wouldn't teach discipline, or force the user to research and learn about nutrition to better themselves. Always trying to take the easy route... disappointing.

    ^^ This, I was going to say the same thing.

    Great minds think alike!
  • Doberdawn
    Doberdawn Posts: 733 Member
    I was totally disgusted by it. I am surprised any medical professional would recommend or do this.
  • _chiaroscuro
    _chiaroscuro Posts: 1,340 Member
    That is such absolute mindf***ing madness that I thought this was a joke thread.

    ETA: and it breaks my heart what people are willing to do to themselves instead of taking a slow, sane, loving approach to changing their bodies. There's a self-loathing happening there that honestly makes me sad.
  • Doberdawn
    Doberdawn Posts: 733 Member
    That is such absolute mindf***ing madness that I thought this was a joke thread.

    ETA: and it breaks my heart what people are willing to do to themselves instead of taking a slow, sane, loving approach to changing their bodies. There's a self-loathing happening there that honestly makes me sad.

    I'm sorry to say, this is NOT a joke thread. I couldn't believe when I saw it on the show this morning & I have since Googled it to read more of the awful details. This is already being used. See e.g.,

    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-01/04/self-stomach-pump-for-dieters

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/01/09/dr-manny-dont-go-pumping-my-stomach-yet/

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/stomach-pumping-machine-makes-calories-disappear/story?id=18164739
  • nornyb
    nornyb Posts: 224 Member
    What a f$%ing stupid idea!
  • _chiaroscuro
    _chiaroscuro Posts: 1,340 Member
    That is such absolute mindf***ing madness that I thought this was a joke thread.

    ETA: and it breaks my heart what people are willing to do to themselves instead of taking a slow, sane, loving approach to changing their bodies. There's a self-loathing happening there that honestly makes me sad.

    I'm sorry to say, this is NOT a joke thread. I couldn't believe when I saw it on the show this morning & I have since Googled it to read more of the awful details. This is already being used. See e.g.,

    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-01/04/self-stomach-pump-for-dieters

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/01/09/dr-manny-dont-go-pumping-my-stomach-yet/

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/stomach-pumping-machine-makes-calories-disappear/story?id=18164739
    To quote from that article:
    "One female patient lost 38kg over the course of the 59 weeks she used the system. She "aspirated" after every meal: "the patient uncapped [her] tube, connected a 60 cc syringe and extracted food from her stomach twice. This resulted in a siphon effect, which permitted the subject to freely drain the stomach by allowing the open tube to empty into a bucket."

    :cry:
  • Doberdawn
    Doberdawn Posts: 733 Member
    That is such absolute mindf***ing madness that I thought this was a joke thread.

    ETA: and it breaks my heart what people are willing to do to themselves instead of taking a slow, sane, loving approach to changing their bodies. There's a self-loathing happening there that honestly makes me sad.

    I'm sorry to say, this is NOT a joke thread. I couldn't believe when I saw it on the show this morning & I have since Googled it to read more of the awful details. This is already being used. See e.g.,

    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-01/04/self-stomach-pump-for-dieters

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/01/09/dr-manny-dont-go-pumping-my-stomach-yet/

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/stomach-pumping-machine-makes-calories-disappear/story?id=18164739
    To quote from that article:
    "One female patient lost 38kg over the course of the 59 weeks she used the system. She "aspirated" after every meal: "the patient uncapped [her] tube, connected a 60 cc syringe and extracted food from her stomach twice. This resulted in a siphon effect, which permitted the subject to freely drain the stomach by allowing the open tube to empty into a bucket."

    :cry:

    Ugh! I think I'm about to aspirate my breakfast into the toilet after reading that. Bleh!
  • sassafrascas
    sassafrascas Posts: 191 Member
    Ya its a dumb idea, but sadly the people using it will have wasted money and time before they realize that this isn't the answer and be left even more defeated. I am learning that to lose weight it has to come from a change in habits, and in thinking. The fact that weight loss is big business and makes people alot of money is why things like this are created and so called health professionals endorse it for the same reason.
  • farway
    farway Posts: 1,253 Member
    Is this not bulimia ponced up?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulimia_nervosa
  • alexisu96
    alexisu96 Posts: 103 Member
    Wow thanks for this post. On my way home now and was pondering what to eat and if I should cheat as its Friday. Well, just lost my appetite. No mood to cheat now
  • Doberdawn
    Doberdawn Posts: 733 Member
    Wow thanks for this post. On my way home now and was pondering what to eat and if I should cheat as its Friday. Well, just lost my appetite. No mood to cheat now

    Glad to help.
  • Kayla_292to165
    Kayla_292to165 Posts: 249 Member
    My face is all like this: :noway: plus a little more horror and disgust.

    ^^^^this^^^
  • TrailRunner61
    TrailRunner61 Posts: 2,505 Member
    That really is gross! I'd rather chew my food, taste it and spit it out than to have my stomach pumped after each meal. Not that I do, just sayin... Whoever invented this needs a good slap in the head.
    Then again, if they used clear, plastic tubing, maybe the person would be grossed out by seeing all the food they just ate go by.. idk, it's just gross.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Is this not bulimia ponced up?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulimia_nervosa

    Except you wouldn't have the esophageal damage of vomiting. You could still have the malnutrition though. I've seen a couple of MFP posts about this and I must say I have mixed thoughts on it.

    If someone is desperate enough to try this, then I think it is absolutely better than vomiting or laxatives. One reason is less damage to the digestive system, but another is that you would be required to see a doctor. Hopefully it would be used only as a tool in a multi-step process leading to a healthier relationship with food. Though, I'm sure not all doctors will be so scrupulous.
  • alexisu96
    alexisu96 Posts: 103 Member
    Wow thanks for this post. On my way home now and was pondering what to eat and if I should cheat as its Friday. Well, just lost my appetite. No mood to cheat now
  • bootsiejayne
    bootsiejayne Posts: 151 Member
    Sorry to say it , "but only in America" [raises eyebrows *& tuts ]c ould such a thing be countenanced

    It's not been approved in America as of right now. But it has been used in Sweden and "select regions of Europe".

    "Some people manage to lose weight on a diet, but the kinds of changes you need to make to keep it off are probably not sustainable for many," she said. "There's a lot to be said for people being in the driver's seat with their own body, with their own health. This allows a patient to do that while under the care of a physician." Quoted from http://abcnews.go.com/Health/stomach-pumping-machine-makes-calories-disappear/story?id=18164739

    I cannot believe someone actually said this in defense of this. How about taking control of what you put into your body to control your weight. This just really disturbs me. There is no accountability anymore.
  • tjsoccermom
    tjsoccermom Posts: 500 Member
    Mind = Blown...not in a good way. I'm disgusted. Anyone that would want this procedure is someone that would actually need to have some psychiatric help because they have an eating disorder and that's what the doctor should be doing for such a patient.
  • Cyngen
    Cyngen Posts: 557 Member
    Next on Dr. Oz... the pump. All I can say is WTF
  • ekz13
    ekz13 Posts: 725 Member
    Absolutely horrendous … once again we work so hard to provide a workaround to taking responsibility for your actions. Removing all accountability
  • tinak33
    tinak33 Posts: 9,883 Member
    That is such absolute mindf***ing madness that I thought this was a joke thread.

    ETA: and it breaks my heart what people are willing to do to themselves instead of taking a slow, sane, loving approach to changing their bodies. There's a self-loathing happening there that honestly makes me sad.

    I'm sorry to say, this is NOT a joke thread. I couldn't believe when I saw it on the show this morning & I have since Googled it to read more of the awful details. This is already being used. See e.g.,

    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-01/04/self-stomach-pump-for-dieters

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/01/09/dr-manny-dont-go-pumping-my-stomach-yet/

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/stomach-pumping-machine-makes-calories-disappear/story?id=18164739
    To quote from that article:
    "One female patient lost 38kg over the course of the 59 weeks she used the system. She "aspirated" after every meal: "the patient uncapped [her] tube, connected a 60 cc syringe and extracted food from her stomach twice. This resulted in a siphon effect, which permitted the subject to freely drain the stomach by allowing the open tube to empty into a bucket."

    :cry:

    Ugh! I think I'm about to aspirate my breakfast into the toilet after reading that. Bleh!

    ^^^ :sick:
  • proudandprejudiced
    proudandprejudiced Posts: 127
    I watched a documentary about eating disorders where a girl with anorexia had a feeding tube in her stomach and instead of putting food in like she was meant to, she'd use the thing in her stomach to suck food out. It was very serious and she had to have it removed..

    It's the same thing? Just these people are obese and she was underweight. It's psychologically bad for anyone.
  • XXXMinnieXXX
    XXXMinnieXXX Posts: 3,459 Member
    Wow! :noway: my head just blew up! :explode:
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Sorry to say it , "but only in America" [raises eyebrows *& tuts ]c ould such a thing be countenanced

    It's not been approved in America as of right now. But it has been used in Sweden and "select regions of Europe".

    "Some people manage to lose weight on a diet, but the kinds of changes you need to make to keep it off are probably not sustainable for many," she said. "There's a lot to be said for people being in the driver's seat with their own body, with their own health. This allows a patient to do that while under the care of a physician." Quoted from http://abcnews.go.com/Health/stomach-pumping-machine-makes-calories-disappear/story?id=18164739

    I cannot believe someone actually said this in defense of this. How about taking control of what you put into your body to control your weight. This just really disturbs me. There is no accountability anymore.

    It's so easy to say that when you have never had an eating disorder. Some people are literally killing themselves with food and are unable to stop without help. Sometimes getting weight down by any means necessary is step one in saving someone's life, and this method is unlikely to be less unhealthy than bariatric surgery.
  • bootsiejayne
    bootsiejayne Posts: 151 Member
    Sorry to say it , "but only in America" [raises eyebrows *& tuts ]c ould such a thing be countenanced

    It's not been approved in America as of right now. But it has been used in Sweden and "select regions of Europe".

    "Some people manage to lose weight on a diet, but the kinds of changes you need to make to keep it off are probably not sustainable for many," she said. "There's a lot to be said for people being in the driver's seat with their own body, with their own health. This allows a patient to do that while under the care of a physician." Quoted from http://abcnews.go.com/Health/stomach-pumping-machine-makes-calories-disappear/story?id=18164739

    I cannot believe someone actually said this in defense of this. How about taking control of what you put into your body to control your weight. This just really disturbs me. There is no accountability anymore.

    It's so easy to say that when you have never had an eating disorder. Some people are literally killing themselves with food and are unable to stop without help. Sometimes getting weight down by any means necessary is step one in saving someone's life, and this method is unlikely to be less unhealthy than bariatric surgery.

    I agree that people with eating disorders are in need of medical help. However, the largest portion of that medical assistance should be mental health care. Those issues are psychological. No matter the method (pumps, bypass, lap band etc) it will not "cure" the person's thought processes and mental associations of food/body without addressing the bigger picture of mental health. I don't think it's going to help anyone overcome their issues with food by telling them "oh eat whatever you want you can just pump it out in a while." It's the same as "go binge and then just purge later." It's not battling eating disorders, it's encouraging them.
  • carolynbergen1
    carolynbergen1 Posts: 57
    Is this not bulimia ponced up?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulimia_nervosa

    Except you wouldn't have the esophageal damage of vomiting. You could still have the malnutrition though. I've seen a couple of MFP posts about this and I must say I have mixed thoughts on it.

    If someone is desperate enough to try this, then I think it is absolutely better than vomiting or laxatives. One reason is less damage to the digestive system, but another is that you would be required to see a doctor. Hopefully it would be used only as a tool in a multi-step process leading to a healthier relationship with food. Though, I'm sure not all doctors will be so scrupulous.

    I just can't see this in any way leading to a healthier relationship with food. I see this as bulimia. Binge and purge, Food is fuel. The human body is not built to work this way. Take in too much food and then release the extra. IMO this can only start or fuel psychiatric problems (ie eating disorder). And what does one do when eating out? Eat like a pig and then excuse yourself to pump some out? And yeah...it's just really gross and kind of gluttonous. .

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