Can I log this as water?

K_Serz

Many people have asked if they can log something like tea or coffee as water. The answers always sparked debate. I have devised this quick and dirty guide to help. Answer these questions, and you will never have to ask this question again.

1. Would you use it to water a plant or your lawn?
2. Would you put it in your dog's bowl or hamster's bottle?
3. Would you use it to fill a fish tank?
4. Does it fall from the sky when it's raining?
5. Can find large bodies of it to surf, fish, or swim in it?
6. Would you use it in a recipe instead of water?
7. Would you rinse your car or dishes with it?
8. Would you bathe, wash your face, or shampoo your hair in it?
9. Would you use it to rinse your mouth after brushing your teeth?
10. Can you build a snowman out of it or ski on it when it is in a frozen, crystallized form?

If you answered "no" to any of these questions, the liquid is probably not water. Don't log it as water. If you have added something to the water like Crystal Light or Mio, go back and ask yourself these questions about the "water" in its current, altered state. Again, if you answer any of these questions as "no" then it's not water.

So I guess sea water is okay to drink and log as water. Yes to those.:laugh:

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Sea water falls from the sky? SWEET!

Please turn your hamster in to the ASPCA. And your poor dead plants (

Jorra

I don't quite see it as black/white as you do. For example, no I wouldn't fill up my fish tank with herbal tea (no caffeine), but I certainly would count it as water. But I wouldn't count Crystal Light or Mio or any of those things as water because they're filled with chemicals!

So many chemicals!

nas061

Water will dissolve anything in it path.

No! Only water soluble substances!

RhonndaJ

Many people have asked if they can log something like tea or coffee as water. The answers always sparked debate. I have devised this quick and dirty guide to help. Answer these questions, and you will never have to ask this question again.

1. Would you use it to water a plant or your lawn?
2. Would you put it in your dog's bowl or hamster's bottle?
3. Would you use it to fill a fish tank?
4. Does it fall from the sky when it's raining?
5. Can find large bodies of it to surf, fish, or swim in it?
6. Would you use it in a recipe instead of water?
7. Would you rinse your car or dishes with it?
8. Would you bathe, wash your face, or shampoo your hair in it?
9. Would you use it to rinse your mouth after brushing your teeth?
10. Can you build a snowman out of it or ski on it when it is in a frozen, crystallized form?

If you answered "no" to any of these questions, the liquid is probably not water. Don't log it as water. If you have added something to the water like Crystal Light or Mio, go back and ask yourself these questions about the "water" in its current, altered state. Again, if you answer any of these questions as "no" then it's not water.

So I guess sea water is okay to drink and log as water. Yes to those.:laugh:

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Sea water falls from the sky? SWEET!

Please turn your hamster in to the ASPCA. And your poor dead plants (

Gale force winds. Enough said.

youlighter

Let's simplify this : If it contains more than H2O - It doesn't go! (H2O+ anything is no longer water!

I tell people in my weight loss challenges "If it is not CLEAR it doesn't go Here" (pointing to the water section on the log sheet.) Which you hear "I can get flavored water that is clear" and I say "If it is flavored and fruity it wont help your BOOTY".

DopeItUp

Good thread. According to this logic I haven't had a drink of water in years. How am I still alive?!?!?

ironmom77

Water will dissolve anything in it path.

No! Only water soluble substances!

You are correct. I mistyped that.

chocl8girl

GoMizzou99

Here we go again.

I am writing my reply while drinking pure crystal clear, filtered spring water and eating a pack of gummy bears...isn't that the same as a soda when it's in my tum tum?

ldrosophila

Hey alcohol is also a pure solvent! Mwhahahah vodka hear I come.

BeeElMarvin

Water will dissolve anything in it path. You can dump a bunch of cyanide in water too.

What does it become, if you do that? Isn't it then "water with cyanide" in it? Just as water with dissolved "Crystal light" in it is then water & crystal light".

It is still water and your body will use the water just as it would if it were tap or bottled water. Our body's filtering system will remove the non-water and the body is able to be hydrated.

So, what's your point, except to point out that you are a water chemist?

BeeElMarvin

Here we go again.

I am writing my reply while drinking pure crystal clear, filtered spring water and eating a pack of gummy bears...isn't that the same as a soda when it's in my tum tum?

only if you jump up and down to mix them together

K_Serz

Gale force winds. Enough said.

What does that have to do with killing a hamster?

MightyDomo

Nice way to tackle the question. Though I view anything that can hydrate like water does as being 'water' as that is the point is to hydrate properly.

GoMizzou99

lol - jumping now - thanks for the tip.

How many calories do I burn per minute with jumping? I need to burn off those gummy bears!

BeeElMarvin

So....adding something to water makes it not water?

If I sprinkle seasoning on my chicken breast....is it still chicken breast? If no, what is it?

I was never very good in science class. Please answer me post haste.

Sprinkling seasoning on a chicken breast is a physical change. Much like chopping it or shredding it. When dissolve something in water, that is a chemical change. Have you ever noticed that when you add laundry detergent to water that it feels slicker, wetter? That's because the detergent has cause the bond angle of the H2O to change from its naturally occurring 105 degrees.

I have no plans to ingest my laundry water...

amandaneverfails

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate.

Bah Dam Bah

Baaahahahahahaha oh man, I love puns.

PetulantOne

So then why am I not dehydrated? I never drink plain water. :huh:

nokanjaijo

You can call Crystal Light water if you want, but it is still aspartame, food coloring and preservatives that you wouldn't even pour on a plant. Do you really want that in your body?

I agree but lets look at the other extreme.

I eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. This keeps my very well hydrated. Some days I hardly drink any water at all and still pee all day. I am not worried about putting grapefruit in my body. Nor am I going to eat a large grapefruit then think I need to force down glass of water because I haven't had enough pure dihydrogen monoxide.

People get cray cray about, "What counts as water."

CristinaL1983

So....adding something to water makes it not water?

If I sprinkle seasoning on my chicken breast....is it still chicken breast? If no, what is it?

I was never very good in science class. Please answer me post haste.

Sprinkling seasoning on a chicken breast is a physical change. Much like chopping it or shredding it. When dissolve something in water, that is a chemical change. Have you ever noticed that when you add laundry detergent to water that it feels slicker, wetter? That's because the detergent has cause the bond angle of the H2O to change from its naturally occurring 105 degrees.

What is this? A basic chemistry lesson?

Anytime you drink even pure H2O (which does exist, by the way) it will mix with something. Whether that something is food sitting in your stomach or intestines or a packet of crystal light, it doesn't matter.

Even if you put pure H2O into your mouth, it won't stay that way for long. Like you said, it is a universal solvent.

Your body can get the necessary water out of solution.

Chemistry lesson? No. I am, however a water chemist. I do this for a living. Pure water must me be mechanically filtered through a deminerlizer and has a conductivity of 11 µS/cm or less. So while it does exist, it is not naturally occurring.

Water will dissolve anything in it path. You can dump a bunch of cyanide in water too. Would you still drink it and call it water? The entire point is one of nomenclature. You can call Crystal Light water if you want, but it is still aspartame, food coloring and preservatives that you wouldn't even pour on a plant. Do you really want that in your body?

I was always taught that only polar substances can be dissolved in water. Not "anything." So there is that. But you are the water chemist, right?

I'm going to guess that if I drank a bunch of cyanide dissolved in water I wouldn't be calling anything, anything.

The point is, what is the difference between creating a water based solution outside the body and creating a water based solution inside the body? The answer is that there isn't one. The body is perfectly able to pull water from the solution. That is what it does, in fact. All the time. Even if I hadn't eaten in days and I drank water, by the time it reaches my stomach it will be mixing with bile and acids and still be in solution.

[Also, I don't drink crystal light. Just using it as an example.]

My0WNinspiration

I will log whatever I want as water. If its liquid, I log it.

K_Serz

Many of you are confusing physical change with chemical change. Sprinkling seasoning on a chicken breast is a PHYSICAL change, adding Crystal Light to water is a CHEMICAL change. They are both two very different things, if you disagree that is fine, but you are WRONG. Should have paid attention to physical science class while you had the opportunity. Have a nice day.

ironmom77

So let me ask it this way. If I took my multi-vitamin crushed it up, dissolved it in a glass of water and drank it could I count that glass as water? Now say I took my multi-vitamin ate it and washed it down with a glass of water, could I count that glass as water? The first one definitly breaks the rules mentioned above, but how are they different? I could say the same for a package of crystal light, if I took a package of crystal light and ate it without adding it to any water, then followed this up with a glass of water would that water count.

I think we are now wandering off into minutia and missing the point. I can eat a bunch of barley and hops and then drink water and count it as water, or I can mix them together and drink it as beer. Would that count as water too? The point is that your body has to extract the necessary hydration and nutrients from the things you consume and then discard the things it doesn't need. Why put a bunch of stuff in water that your body will have to strain out? You body can use the multivitamin. What, pray tell, is it getting from Crystal Light?

emacb123

So....adding something to water makes it not water?

If I sprinkle seasoning on my chicken breast....is it still chicken breast? If no, what is it?

I was never very good in science class. Please answer me post haste.

Sprinkling seasoning on a chicken breast is a physical change. Much like chopping it or shredding it. When dissolve something in water, that is a chemical change. Have you ever noticed that when you add laundry detergent to water that it feels slicker, wetter? That's because the detergent has cause the bond angle of the H2O to change from its naturally occurring 105 degrees.

Nope, this is wrong. You can easily separate flavoring from water by evaporating water. This = physical change not chemical.

ninerbuff

Chemistry lesson? No. I am, however a water chemist. I do this for a living. Pure water must me be mechanically filtered through a deminerlizer and has a conductivity of 11 µS/cm or less. So while it does exist, it is not naturally occurring.

Water will dissolve anything in it path. You can dump a bunch of cyanide in water too. Would you still drink it and call it water? The entire point is one of nomenclature. You can call Crystal Light water if you want, but it is still aspartame, food coloring and preservatives that you wouldn't even pour on a plant. Do you really want that in your body?

Honestly there are lots of things in our body that we don't "want", but are needed for optimal health. Iodine, free radicals, LDL, etc. aren't considered "good" to the body, but still have a function.
As for aspartame............meh. I drink Diet Pepsi everyday (for over 25 years now) and haven't suffered any of the maladies or claims from alarmists. I'd be more concerned about drinking tap water since pipes that move it are routinely cleaned.
Everything in the digestive system will be broken down to it's simplest components than absorbed.

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RhonndaJ

Gale force winds. Enough said.

What does that have to do with killing a hamster?

You put a hamster out in a gale and see what happens.

keshiabug1

I see nothing wrong with logging Mio and such as water as long as you log the water and the substance you are using. You are still getting the amount of water nonetheless... with or without the add in.

Fenomka

Why did I log onto the forums today.........

This... O,o

K_Serz

So....adding something to water makes it not water?

If I sprinkle seasoning on my chicken breast....is it still chicken breast? If no, what is it?

I was never very good in science class. Please answer me post haste.

Sprinkling seasoning on a chicken breast is a physical change. Much like chopping it or shredding it. When dissolve something in water, that is a chemical change. Have you ever noticed that when you add laundry detergent to water that it feels slicker, wetter? That's because the detergent has cause the bond angle of the H2O to change from its naturally occurring 105 degrees.

Nope, this is wrong. You can easily separate flavoring from water by evaporating water. This = physical change not chemical.

http://chemistry.about.com/b/2013/02/22/physical-and-chemical-changes-quiz.htm

Maybe this can help some people out there?

redladywitch

See? This is why I should never ...ever go to the forums... omg.:huh: