What the WHAT?!

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  • amymac
    amymac Posts: 42
    LMAO, Pepper!!!!!! OMG. *wipes tears*
  • _Pepper_
    _Pepper_ Posts: 49 Member
    *snort*
  • MattySparky
    MattySparky Posts: 771
    who is greg?
  • thumper44
    thumper44 Posts: 1,464 Member
    sugar from fruit and milk can be ignored from the sugar count. look at your sugar for the day and don't count the apple, unfortunately you have to keep track of that manually.

    I know where matty was coming from. This answer that eric gave was incorrect IMO.
    Matty just cares to make sure that incorrect information is not being spewed out.
    Most people will know not too much fruit/sugar and in moderation, but some will not, and think it's ok.

    I also agree, sugar is sugar, and you should not have too much daily, natural or processed.
    Eric's response was making it sound like people could go ahead and have 2 bananas 3 apples, grapes twice a day, oh and some melon and peaches, and glasses of milk. and ignore all the sugar.

    I quickly gave a google search, and I just found something that sounds good to add to the debate.

    This question was answered by Diet and Fitness Expert Dr. Melina Jampolis Physician Nutrition Specialist
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/expert.q.a/08/28/fruit.weightloss.jampolis/index.html
    . I frequently see patients who think of fruit as a "free food" and are unknowingly consuming up to 250 extra calories a day, which could prevent them from losing one pound of fat every two weeks!

    I would try limiting your fruit servings to a maximum of three per day to break through your weight loss plateau. Also, be sure that your serving sizes are correct, and that you are not eating even more than you realize. One serving of fruit is equal to approximately ½ cup, but serving sizes vary. See the USDA food pyramid chart for more information on serving sizes.
  • questionablemethods
    questionablemethods Posts: 2,174 Member
    I feel like some of the people on this thread are talking at cross purposes.

    I don't think Eric was saying that fruit was CALORIE FREE. Obviously this isn't the case. Fruit can be quite high in calories.

    HOWEVER, there is evidence that when paired with fiber (as it is in fruit), fructose is not nearly as detrimental as when it occurs in something like juice or soda. See this lecture from Dr. Lustig, an endocrinologist, if you want the details http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM .

    But in short: eat some fruit, cut back on the soda, stay within a reasonable number of calories and RELAX. :happy:
  • ACarp24
    ACarp24 Posts: 90
    I personally don't see the big deal with sugar. I don't track sugar, but if I did I would probably be over. I eat 2 cups of strawberries in my morning smoothie alone, and thats usually not my only fruit for the day. The way I see it yes, sugars are sugars but I think that as long as I'm seeing progress, which I definitely have, I don't see the need to obsess over it. I agree with the idea of buying natural peanut butter, because it has trans fats which your body can't even recognize.
  • smae1980
    smae1980 Posts: 794 Member
    I personally don't see the big deal with sugar. I don't track sugar, but if I did I would probably be over. I eat 2 cups of strawberries in my morning smoothie alone, and thats usually not my only fruit for the day. The way I see it yes, sugars are sugars but I think that as long as I'm seeing progress, which I definitely have, I don't see the need to obsess over it. I agree with the idea of buying natural peanut butter, because it has trans fats which your body can't even recognize.

    I'm almost afraid to post on this thread, but I think you meant to say because natural PB doesn't have trans fat, not that it does. I love your ticker by the way!
  • sonjavon
    sonjavon Posts: 1,019 Member
    All I can add to this debate is this: I eat a lot of fruit each day. On any given day, I probably eat 4 or 5 granny smith apples and one or two other pieces of fruit. Is it high in sugar? Yep. COULD it harm my weight loss? Sure. BUT... here's what I know to be 100% correct....

    I did not get fat from eating apples.

    I count the calories for everything I put in my mouth... whether it's an almond, an apple or an m&m. I count it. The only "added" sugar I have in my diet on most days is the teaspoon of sugar in my coffee. If I'm going to look back on my calories/sugar/sodium/fat for the day and be over on something... I'd rather it be because of an apple than a brownie.

    The fact is that it would be hard (perhaps impossible) to eat your recommended servings of fruits and veggies for the day and NOT go over on your sugar.
  • auntbitsy
    auntbitsy Posts: 14 Member
    BWAH!!!!, Pepper!! :D
  • cmurphy04722
    cmurphy04722 Posts: 254
    I just wanted to add a link about the AHA updating its recommendation

    The American Heart Association basically recommends 24 to 36 grams:

    http://www.examiner.com/x-6753-Philadelphia-Nutrition-Examiner~y2009m8d25-American-Heart-Association-issues-new-sugar-guidelines
  • MattySparky
    MattySparky Posts: 771
    We all eat fruit, that wasn't my point. I dont even care anymore and I dont know why I said anything at all. There are enough misinformed people on MFP spewing buttloads of totally inaccurate information that this could potentially happen in almost every thread I make the mistake of reading.

    For those mocking me, grow up ladies (little girls??). I was trying to point out something VERY wrong with a certain post on this thread. But that's fine, it's funny to you so I hope I somehow made your day.
  • pettmybunny
    pettmybunny Posts: 1,986 Member
    I just wanted to add a link about the AHA updating its recommendation

    The American Heart Association basically recommends 24 to 36 grams:

    http://www.examiner.com/x-6753-Philadelphia-Nutrition-Examiner~y2009m8d25-American-Heart-Association-issues-new-sugar-guidelines

    That guideline is for added sugars, not naturally occuring sugars.
  • theologynerd
    theologynerd Posts: 264 Member
    At first I was really sad to see the discussion get out of hand. I have been on MFP for over two weeks and have seen nothing but encouragement and positivity, so it crushed me to see people "fighting". Matty, when you apologized and explained yourself, that was really heartening. Kudos to you, and thanks for doing that. I was afraid my MFP was going downhill, but you were big about it and brought it back :)
  • xecila
    xecila Posts: 99
    We all eat fruit, that wasn't my point. I dont even care anymore and I dont know why I said anything at all. There are enough misinformed people on MFP spewing buttloads of totally inaccurate information that this could potentially happen in almost every thread I make the mistake of reading.

    For those mocking me, grow up ladies (little girls??). I was trying to point out something VERY wrong with a certain post on this thread. But that's fine, it's funny to you so I hope I somehow made your day.

    Well, then. Now we're all acting like a bunch of idiots.

    No, sugar should not be ignored. But, as many people have stated, you shouldn't be beating yourself up for eating an apple. It's an apple. It's not like she stuffed her face with a brownie and was complaining about being over her sugar for the day. She ate an apple. With peanut butter.

    Now, as I agree that this forum is a breeding ground for misinformation, it also has a lot of good information as well. Your tone and condescending attitude were overly harsh, and thus you got a response back. Man up, and deal with it. Correct a misstatement or add your two cents. No reason to go into full-on battle mode over a damned apple.
  • sonjavon
    sonjavon Posts: 1,019 Member
    At first I was really sad to see the discussion get out of hand. I have been on MFP for over two weeks and have seen nothing but encouragement and positivity, so it crushed me to see people "fighting". Matty, when you apologized and explained yourself, that was really heartening. Kudos to you, and thanks for doing that. I was afraid my MFP was going downhill, but you were big about it and brought it back :)

    I'll warn you - there will be plenty of discussions that get out of hand. It's difficult because most people on MFP feel like they've finally found something that works and they're passionate about it. Many of us have researched our points of view, talked to nutritionists, doctors, etc... what we all fail to remember is those PROFESSIONALS don't even agree on many of the things that we discuss on these boards... so we're not all going to come to a general concensus. Ya know?

    All of us (especially those who have been around awhile) want to make sure that we're providing people with the best information possible and Matty was ABSOLUTELY right - there is a LOT of bad information on these threads. Information that is stated so simply that it is seems like fact.

    The best advice that I got when I started on MFP was to not worry about so many "rights" and "wrongs" - make small improvements and as you gain knowledge, make your own decision. When I started, I couldn't worry about sodium, fat and sugar levels... I had to concentrate on eating a certain number of calories. Then I started looking at my water intake. Then I looked at my sodium levels. Then my fiber... I DID try to track my sugar at one time - but like I said earlier, I came to the conclusion for MYSELF, that right now I won't worry about it - I know that almost all my sugars come from fruits and veggies and for me it's a trade-off - I'm doing better now than I was a year ago... and that has to be good.

    If you see a thread that gets out of hand - don't get discouraged with MFP. We're all human, we're all excited about what we're doing and we're all just trying to help someone else... and we're never going to all agree 100%.
  • MattySparky
    MattySparky Posts: 771
    We all eat fruit, that wasn't my point. I dont even care anymore and I dont know why I said anything at all. There are enough misinformed people on MFP spewing buttloads of totally inaccurate information that this could potentially happen in almost every thread I make the mistake of reading.

    For those mocking me, grow up ladies (little girls??). I was trying to point out something VERY wrong with a certain post on this thread. But that's fine, it's funny to you so I hope I somehow made your day.

    Well, then. Now we're all acting like a bunch of idiots.

    No, sugar should not be ignored. But, as many people have stated, you shouldn't be beating yourself up for eating an apple. It's an apple. It's not like she stuffed her face with a brownie and was complaining about being over her sugar for the day. She ate an apple. With peanut butter.

    Now, as I agree that this forum is a breeding ground for misinformation, it also has a lot of good information as well. Your tone and condescending attitude were overly harsh, and thus you got a response back. Man up, and deal with it. Correct a misstatement or add your two cents. No reason to go into full-on battle mode over a damned apple.

    If you're refering to my post you obviously didn't read what I was getting at. No one is beating themselves up about an apple. My problem was with someone giving false information. It happens all the time and sometimes I allow myself to get sucked into trying to explain things to misinformed people. I manned up and admitted that it got out of hand and it was mainly my fault. Im not going to apologize for the point I was trying to make though. Its very hard to tell what tone someone is taking when reading a post. Again there was no full on battle mode about an apple. Since we're all about giving each other advice now, I think you should read and clearly understand what the heck it is you're talking about before you go and tell someone to man up and deal with it. You clearly dont understand what the disagreement was about. It was never about an apple. Go ahead and read over the thread again if you need to.
  • kathymurphy
    kathymurphy Posts: 38
    touchy little topic.
  • xecila
    xecila Posts: 99
    If you're refering to my post you obviously didn't read what I was getting at. No one is beating themselves up about an apple. My problem was with someone giving false information. It happens all the time and sometimes I allow myself to get sucked into trying to explain things to misinformed people. I manned up and admitted that it got out of hand and it was mainly my fault. Im not going to apologize for the point I was trying to make though. Its very hard to tell what tone someone is taking when reading a post. Again there was no full on battle mode about an apple. Since we're all about giving each other advice now, I think you should read and clearly understand what the heck it is you're talking about before you go and tell someone to man up and deal with it. You clearly dont understand what the disagreement was about. It was never about an apple. Go ahead and read over the thread again if you need to.

    I did read the thread, thank you. And really what the topic of this thread was meant to be, was her going over her sugar because she ate one apple with peanut butter. I'm not a moron. I understand what the arguement was about. I also understand what the topic of the thread was meant to be, and I see how far off track it has gone. I think you need to learn, as everyone does, to take what others say with a grain of salt. You took something out of context and blew it up and insinuated that other people have no idea what they're talking about.

    Here's my opinion, and I'll state it as simply that. I'm not a doctor, a fitness trainer, or a dietician. I'm a fat chick who's using the (mostly) nice people on this forum to help motivate me to get healthy. From what I've learned since I was a kid (and mostly ignored) fruit is good for you, and (although it's much debated) milk is too. Eric was trying to comfort Mary in the fact that she ate an apple, and that's not so bad. You came in, pulled his words out of context, and continued to carry on as if he said "OH ****, SUGAR DON'T MATTER, EAT TEN APPLES!" Which is simply not what was said.
  • MattySparky
    MattySparky Posts: 771
    ok, point taken.:embarassed:
  • spicy618
    spicy618 Posts: 2,114 Member
    I agree that Matty may have come off a bit Harsh, but I agree with her. And she appologized.... Thanks Matty :flowerforyou:

    The other gentleman posted his opinion, which I agree with also. :flowerforyou:

    I think it depends on what your goals are. Those of us not training for a competition aren't going to "stress" about an apple because it would have been a Donut not too long ago :embarassed: :laugh: Those that are in training/ have a Passion for fitness, will be more strict and rightfully so.

    Yeah, it helps when we use those cute "emotioncons". Sometime they make, what may seem like a rude comment, so much softer :flowerforyou: :laugh:

    Have a great day MFPers!
  • MattySparky
    MattySparky Posts: 771
    Im male actually LOL.... but thanks!:smokin:
  • spicy618
    spicy618 Posts: 2,114 Member
    Opps... Sorry Matty... I thought the picture in the Ticker was you :embarassed: :laugh:

    I :heart: :heart: :heart: Your doggy.. I have a Red Pit named Ruby :love: Is it a Pit?
  • MattySparky
    MattySparky Posts: 771
    Yep that's my late boy Taurus! he was the best dog I've ever owned.
  • ivykivy
    ivykivy Posts: 2,970 Member
    For some of us who've been around awhile, this is one of the lighter debates on sugar. LOL

    But I agree with BarneyS, if you're worried about sugar choose berries
  • chocolateandvodka
    chocolateandvodka Posts: 1,850 Member
    sugar is tasty, that's all i'm saying. :)
  • MattySparky
    MattySparky Posts: 771
    For some of us who've been around awhile, this is one of the lighter debates on sugar. LOL

    But I agree with BarneyS, if you're worried about sugar choose berries

    see Im not the only one who gets excited!!!
  • MattySparky
    MattySparky Posts: 771
    slow browser = double post oops
  • ZebraHead
    ZebraHead Posts: 15,207 Member
    For breakfast I'm having an apple and a tablespoon of peanut butter, and I'm already over my sugar for the day!

    Ridiculous.

    This is my favorite: apple slices and melted peanut butter. *But everyone already knows that* :blushing:
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,387 Member
    Wow....

    I think there are nice ways to provide your opinion and not so nice ways.

    We keep trying to teach that. To no avail.
  • lilmissy2
    lilmissy2 Posts: 595 Member
    I think MFP is a little too focused on numbers, which I guess is the only way it can be.

    I kind of agree with both sides of this debate ie. all sugar contributes to your daily sugar count and the nutritional quality of the food should be considered.

    As a dietitian, I have never and will never encourage people to 'count' sugar. We might ask a type 1 diabetic to count carbohydrates, but not sugar alone. The types of messages we try to give instead are to be guided by the types of products you buy ie. less than 10g sugar per 100g food. Now of course, some of your foods don't have this information on them... and that is actually why we use these messages ;) Unfortunately when you come to somewhere like MFP and start seeing numbers from fruit etc people get very confused.

    I guess I'm more of a fan of a qualitative approach than quantitative. Ie using something like (excuse my bias) the Australian Guide to Healthy Eating... 2-3 serves low fat dairy, 2 serves fruit, 5 serves veg, 1-2serves meat/rotein alternatives. Now the breads and cereals is 6-11 serves per day and that would be the area we would encourage people to cut down (but not out) to lose weight. Oh and of course 'extra' foods we also encourage cutting down on.

    My point is, think about what you are eating. If you control your portions and don't eat a lot of packaged foods then I wouldn't worry too much about counting anything other than calories.
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