Lose weight first & then lift or do both @ the same time?

jofjltncb6

I think my body type is an Endomorph. Grow muscle easily, but hold onto fat easily. . I guess. Unless I am an ectomoroph, but a bad eater.

Just wanted to point out that the Endomorph thing was a theory developed in the 1940s, it was never proven to be a real thing. It is only popular now in womens magazines...that are usually filled with lies and I would take with a grain of salt.

There are quite a few articles on the Livestrong site about this body type, and how to eat and exercise for it. Not sure if it is any more reliable, but at least it isn't a 'women's' magazine.

Just my personal opinion, but I put livestrong articles only very slightly above "womens' magazine" articles.

Jacwhite22

You will build some muscle.. its all science.. all of it.. one pound of fat is 3000 calories.. you have to be in a deficit to lose that fat.. you have to burn off some of what you take in

3500 but who's counting.




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eowynmn

All I can say is check out my profile pic, I'm doing both, yeah I'm fat as hell, I've got 100 lbs more to lose, but my arms are getting stacked on top, my butt is higher, and I'm losing weight like a boss while building muscle.

Now I'm not a fan of how the biggest loser works, but the reason that those people lose so much weight is the workout they do which is a mix of cardio and a ton of LIFTING like a boss. It's the only way to go.

eowynmn

3500 but who's counting.

Me. I'm freakin counting.

No_Finish_Line

i think its actually a very good question.

Think its best that you weight train while you eat at a defecit. Really only in hopes of hanging onto your lean bodymass.

eating at a defecit, you really can't add mass (muscle) while removing mass (fat)... unless you are extreamly overwieght, brand spanking new to lifting, a former athelete/gym buff that took off a very long break, or your taking steroids lol. so it might SEEM kinda pointless, but the stimulis will prevent you from losing as much muslce as you otherwise would. plus i think its possible to shape and condition a muslce without adding muslce mass.

i always weight train and try to eat at a modest defecit when i cut and i still lose muscle. the good news is it comes back REALLY FAST.

geebusuk

From what I've read, high reps for hypertrophy (more muscle) and low reps with high weight for strength gains.

From the first result in google:

Generally speaking, reps in the 1RM to 5RM range increase maximal strength with minimal gains in mass. Reps in the 8RM to 15RM range produce greater gains in hypertrophy, while reps between 6RM and 7RM produce equal changes in hypertrophy and strength.

At the moment I'm sticking with 3x5 - though I have nothing against hypertrophy specifically as I'm a big-framed bloke (ie large chest etc) and a bit-bulky look suits me, I reckon.

So, sticking to lower reps with bigger weight should still see tone (sic) and from what I've seen, calories burnt too - but should be less likely to 'bulk up'.
Doing 3x5 vs 3x10 or so I have in the past, I'd say I'm stronger than I have ever been, but don't think I'm quite as 'big' as I have been in the past - though my body fat is probably a bit below my lowest before too.

DebbieLyn63

I think my body type is an Endomorph. Grow muscle easily, but hold onto fat easily. . I guess. Unless I am an ectomoroph, but a bad eater.

Just wanted to point out that the Endomorph thing was a theory developed in the 1940s, it was never proven to be a real thing. It is only popular now in womens magazines...that are usually filled with lies and I would take with a grain of salt.

There are quite a few articles on the Livestrong site about this body type, and how to eat and exercise for it. Not sure if it is any more reliable, but at least it isn't a 'women's' magazine.

Just my personal opinion, but I put livestrong articles only very slightly above "womens' magazine" articles.

Ok, then how about the University of Houston Health and Wellness Center?

http://www.uh.edu/fitness/comm_educators/3_somatotypesNEW.htm


Ectomorphs are long and lean, with little body fat, and little muscle. They have a hard time gaining weight. Fashion models and basketball players fit this category. While most of us love to hate these genetically-blessed individuals, some male ectomorphs may not be thrilled with their narrow-chested frames, and some female ectomorphs long for more womanly curves.



Endomorphs, on the other hand, have lots of body fat, lots of muscle, and gain weight easily. "Football lineman tend to be endomorphs -- they're heavier and rounder individuals," says Colby. "And they don't have to necessarily be overweight. Both Oprah Winfrey and Marilyn Monroe are classic examples of endomorphs."



Mesomorphs are athletic, solid, and strong. "They're not overweight and not underweight," says Colby, "and they can eat what they want without worrying too much about it." They both gain and lose weight without too much effort.

geebusuk

I always took them more as an easy way to categorise bodies, rather than a specific definition.

So, you could separate cars in to 'fast cars', 'family cars' and 'compact cars'.
It wouldn't be too bad a grouping, based on a car's design - but it doesn't specify that a car in the 'fast cars' group might not also be quite small too; and maybe just has enough space for a family with a couple of small kids to still use it.

DebbieLyn63

I always took them more as an easy way to categorise bodies, rather than a specific definition.

So, you could separate cars in to 'fast cars', 'family cars' and 'compact cars'.
It wouldn't be too bad a grouping, based on a car's design - but it doesn't specify that a car in the 'fast cars' group might not also be quite small too; and maybe just has enough space for a family with a couple of small kids to still use it.

The point the first poster that mentioned being an endomorph was trying to make, is that particular body type, tends to gain muscle and fat very easily.
Someone else had stated that theory had been debunked back in 1940. I was just posting some more current sites that still have the same info available. I haven't found any sites they say that the theory of different body types had been debunked.

This certainly would explain why some people, with this certain body type, would be able to gain muscle and fat weight, more easily than someone of a different body type, and perhaps they would need to eat at a lower calorie level to maintain or to lose weight.

mmapags

I think my body type is an Endomorph. Grow muscle easily, but hold onto fat easily. . I guess. Unless I am an ectomoroph, but a bad eater.

Just wanted to point out that the Endomorph thing was a theory developed in the 1940s, it was never proven to be a real thing. It is only popular now in womens magazines...that are usually filled with lies and I would take with a grain of salt.

There are quite a few articles on the Livestrong site about this body type, and how to eat and exercise for it. Not sure if it is any more reliable, but at least it isn't a 'women's' magazine.

Just my personal opinion, but I put livestrong articles only very slightly above "womens' magazine" articles.

Ok, then how about the University of Houston Health and Wellness Center?

http://www.uh.edu/fitness/comm_educators/3_somatotypesNEW.htm


Ectomorphs are long and lean, with little body fat, and little muscle. They have a hard time gaining weight. Fashion models and basketball players fit this category. While most of us love to hate these genetically-blessed individuals, some male ectomorphs may not be thrilled with their narrow-chested frames, and some female ectomorphs long for more womanly curves.



Endomorphs, on the other hand, have lots of body fat, lots of muscle, and gain weight easily. "Football lineman tend to be endomorphs -- they're heavier and rounder individuals," says Colby. "And they don't have to necessarily be overweight. Both Oprah Winfrey and Marilyn Monroe are classic examples of endomorphs."



Mesomorphs are athletic, solid, and strong. "They're not overweight and not underweight," says Colby, "and they can eat what they want without worrying too much about it." They both gain and lose weight without too much effort.

Gee, I used to be an Endomorph. Then I started eating less and working out more with a combo of cardio and heavy lifting. BAM, one morning I woke up a Mesomorph!! How the heck did that happen??? :laugh:

rosieleemstea

agree completely...build muscle for calorie burning and use intervals for cardio improvement...and besides which being little is one thing, but as you get older you start to lose muscle anyway, it is important to keep up muscle strength to help slow that process down.
i would probably describe myself in a similar way to lori lynne, i always got strong pretty quickly,but the downside is i also put fat on really fast, at the moment i am working hard at toning .

7opoundsin16weeks

You can do both ! I am doing both myself. As the fat is gradually burnt, the underlying muscles rise to the surface and become more visible. that's what toning is about: having your muscles more visible.

nenacakesxo

Lifting before you do cardio makes you burn the fat faster. I read that in a study somewhere.

rosieleemstea

yes, muscle burns more calories pound for pound than fat, added to which exercise has profound biochemical effects on your body,including making your blood much better for more than 24hrs after the exercise day.

Lupercalia

Bump. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :drinker: