Cleanse - why you are lucky they don't work
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well if you are talking about testing them like drugs its not going to work. You need the full spectrum of nutrients not just an isolated one.
Science can prove cleanses work but it's not in the best interest of the drug corporations so I don't know who is going to pay for it.
How can you possibly say that?
It's like me saying that science can prove that sticking my finger in my ear can cure indigestion, not that it's been done yet.
For cleanses we can test vitamin and mineral levels and adjust the cleanse according to that. Get enough people involved with health issues and it can be proved. Sort of like Gerson therapy for tuberculosis. Now sticking your finger in your ear might be hard to measure anything. Maybe the level of pain?
You missed my point. Or, is your point that they have not been tested due to some kind of conspiracy?
But you said science can prove it...how would it prove it?
I would get all the diseased individuals I could that can't be cured by conventional medicine that has to do with food choices (crohn's disease, irritable bowel, celiac, etc.), have them run blood tests measuring vitamins and minerals and whatever else seems appropriate. I'd have them do a cleanse based on the tests and test again at the end. Simplified version.
What would this cleanse entail?
fruits and vegetables especially garlic
high quality meats in moderation especially liver and kidneys
Vitamins and minerals
grapefruit seed extract
flax seed meal or oil
probiotics like kimchi
seaweed like kelp or nori
algae
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well if you are talking about testing them like drugs its not going to work. You need the full spectrum of nutrients not just an isolated one.
Science can prove cleanses work but it's not in the best interest of the drug corporations so I don't know who is going to pay for it.
How can you possibly say that?
It's like me saying that science can prove that sticking my finger in my ear can cure indigestion, not that it's been done yet.
For cleanses we can test vitamin and mineral levels and adjust the cleanse according to that. Get enough people involved with health issues and it can be proved. Sort of like Gerson therapy for tuberculosis. Now sticking your finger in your ear might be hard to measure anything. Maybe the level of pain?
You missed my point. Or, is your point that they have not been tested due to some kind of conspiracy?
But you said science can prove it...how would it prove it?
I would get all the diseased individuals I could that can't be cured by conventional medicine that has to do with food choices (crohn's disease, irritable bowel, celiac, etc.), have them run blood tests measuring vitamins and minerals and whatever else seems appropriate. I'd have them do a cleanse based on the tests and test again at the end. Simplified version.
What would this cleanse entail?
fruits and vegetables especially garlic
high quality meats in moderation especially liver
Vitamins and minerals
grapefruit seed extract
flax seed meal or oil
probiotics like kimchi
some other stuff
So, just to be clear - a cleanse to you is eating whole foods that are nutrient dense and include a mix of proteins, carbs and fats? And some other stuff. And is only relevant for people with diseases?0 -
yesSo, just to be clear - a cleanse to you is eating whole foods that are nutrient dense and include a mix of proteins, carbs and fats?
It's relevant to anyone looking for great health, but especially for those with medical issues.And some other stuff. And is only relevant for people with diseases?0 -
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What did we learn today?
Cleanses don't work, UNLESS you change the definition to "healthy diet". Then they're good for you.
FASCINATING!0 -
What did we learn today?
Cleanses don't work, UNLESS you change the definition to "healthy diet". Then they're good for you.
FASCINATING!
A fruit and vegetable cleanse with no extra protein or fat will work but you may lose some muscle mass. And that's the opposite of what most healthy people should want.0 -
yesSo, just to be clear - a cleanse to you is eating whole foods that are nutrient dense and include a mix of proteins, carbs and fats?
It's relevant to anyone looking for great health, but especially for those with medical issues.And some other stuff. And is only relevant for people with diseases?
Well, to most that isn't a cleanse, just eating (perhaps clean). But even if it is a bit of moving the goal posts, I would agree that a) certains foods and drugs positively impact the liver b) others do not. If a cleanse for you is a diet that focuses on that, you've got no argument from me. Except, you want variety to assure micronutrient coverage.0 -
Seriously people? Don't you have jobs/lives? What is the benefit of this discussion to the general audience of MFP? For the majority, the fact that cleanses don't work is common knowledge. For a few, the efficacy of cleanses will remain beyond doubt no matter what intricate biochemical evidence from PubMed has emerged and is being quoted. Yet, here we have a six page discussion based on assumptions that (a) arsenic is the target toxin of cleanses and (b) the level of arsenic in livers of those undergoing cleanses is somehow elevated. Why not create a private group for flexing your rhetoric muscles and demonstrating your general sophistication to the like minded few?
Do you just realize that after making this comment about the "people who post here" that you, yourself have posted three times. No job? No life? It sucks you in, doesn't it!0 -
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oops. Triple post.0
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yesSo, just to be clear - a cleanse to you is eating whole foods that are nutrient dense and include a mix of proteins, carbs and fats?
It's relevant to anyone looking for great health, but especially for those with medical issues.And some other stuff. And is only relevant for people with diseases?
Seems like your definition of a cleanse is different than most people use.
However, eliminating foods that negatively impact people with medical issues is very different than what most people anywhere would think a cleanse would be. That is like saying that eliminating dairy for a lactose intolerant person is a cleanse.0 -
What did we learn today?
Cleanses don't work, UNLESS you change the definition to "healthy diet". Then they're good for you.
FASCINATING!
A fruit and vegetable cleanse with no extra protein or fat will work but you may lose some muscle mass. And that's the opposite of what most healthy people should want.
So, back to a cleanse = a healthy diet.0 -
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OMG, that accent. I had no clue what they were saying. It sounded like they had olives in their mouths and were trying to prevent them from falling out while talking. ((covers ears)).
Other than that, he performed Reiki incorrectly. And the chrystals for the chakras where not the correct ones. An aquamarine is a gemstone, not a chrystal. These dudes are HORRIBLE at understanding holistic therapies.However they were correct that aqua marine is used for the heart and throat. Damn doctors, they don't know about bodies. That man needed tons of drugs so he could die the expensive way.0 -
OMG, that accent. I had no clue what they were saying. It sounded like they had olives in their mouths and were trying to prevent them from falling out while talking. UGH!
Other than that, he performed Reiki incorrectly. And the chrystals for the chakras where not the correct ones. An aquamarine is a gemstone, not a chrystal. These dudes are HORRIBLE at understanding holistic therapies. Damn doctors, they don't know about bodies. That man needed tons of drugs so he could die the expensive way.
It was a comedy skit...and they are British...they have a British accent.0 -
OMG, that accent. I had no clue what they were saying. It sounded like they had olives in their mouths and were trying to prevent them from falling out while talking. UGH!
Other than that, he performed Reiki incorrectly. And the chrystals for the chakras where not the correct ones. An aquamarine is a gemstone, not a chrystal. These dudes are HORRIBLE at understanding holistic therapies. Damn doctors, they don't know about bodies. That man needed tons of drugs so he could die the expensive way.
It was a comedy skit...and they are British...they have a British accent.
Yes! I gathered that. I am not used to it. It's hard for me to understand.0 -
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Not really, dairy would only be one part of a cleanse. You have to look at the whole picture. Basically every food you eat matters whether or not you are on a cleanse.
yesSo, just to be clear - a cleanse to you is eating whole foods that are nutrient dense and include a mix of proteins, carbs and fats?
It's relevant to anyone looking for great health, but especially for those with medical issues.And some other stuff. And is only relevant for people with diseases?
Seems like your definition of a cleanse is different than most people use.
However, eliminating foods that negatively impact people with medical issues is very different than what most people anywhere would think a cleanse would be. That is like saying that eliminating dairy for a lactose intolerant person is a cleanse.0 -
No, a cleanse is planning out everything you eat and eating only the foods that are most beneficial.What did we learn today?
Cleanses don't work, UNLESS you change the definition to "healthy diet". Then they're good for you.
FASCINATING!
A fruit and vegetable cleanse with no extra protein or fat will work but you may lose some muscle mass. And that's the opposite of what most healthy people should want.
So, back to a cleanse = a healthy diet.0 -
Hello, not sure if anyone still looks at this thread, I found it interesting after skimming the random chat lol. Maybe its me but I thought the idea of a cleanser or detox was a couple of days of a clean or pure diet with lots of fresh fruit and vegetables zero processed foods fresh juices, water and herbal teas no suar and healthy snacks. I totally understand this needs to, or rather a good diet is a life style but people who are just starting sometimes need a push to do so and if a couple of says of a pure diet is going to encourage good diets long term then this is a good thing no? People who opt for laxatives and dangerous diets like the lemonade diet or anything that is obviously dangerous will often be desperate for results (that's not a jab at anyone) deep down I think they know ours not good but are so in need of change they'll try anything. Hopefully what this thread has done, it certainly has for me anyway is backed the importance of a healthy diet lifestyle. I did think that having a few days off allied the body time to get rid of the crap its been fed for the last x days without being given more to deal with hence kick starting the rest of their lives. I think that's the thought behind out anyway. But as said before it needs to be for life and not 30 days0
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