Has the whole world been brainwashed?
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I cannot literally believe some of the things I hear or read about nutrition and diet. Everything is so contradicting and I now have to question everything that I've ever believed.
Surely I am not the only one that feels this way?
Okay, so I don't have the cleanest diet yet, but I'm getting there. By clean, I mean relatively paleo
But WHY are doctors and nutritionists telling us this!
It's not rocket science is it. All this unnatural, processed food (wheat and dairy included), how can this possibly be good for us when we aren't actually designed to eat it. You'd consider feeding a lion fruit pastels outrageous right?
Yet few people seemed to have considered the effect of what they eat.
It makes me feel disgusted, I want to question everything!!!
Because science.
This was really all there was to say.0 -
Some rocket scientists are fat. Even they can't figure this out.It's not rocket science is it.
I question everything but I'm not disgusted, just skeptical. It's not a bad way to be.It makes me feel disgusted, I want to question everything!!!0 -
I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.
^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.
Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?
Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.
Many ancient people could live WELL beyond 20 years, especially provided they avoided the most common fatalities (injuries, accidents, and getting eaten). It's a common misconception that paleolithic people did not reach the ages we see today.0 -
Only an affluent society can worry about things like this. The rest will eat what it can get.0
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Grits are ground corn, and they are very popular in the southeastern U.S. primarily as a breakfast food, though you really haven't experienced Southern cousin until you've had shrimp and grits. They remain a regional staple. I grew up on them and love them.
I'm a Yankee, married to a Southerner. I'll never forget the first time I went to visit his family and saw Quaker Instant Grits in the grocery store. Like, who knew they existed?I always that grits were made of wheat. Guess that's why I'm a Yankee-girl.0 -
I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.
^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.
Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?
Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.
Many ancient people could live WELL beyond 20 years, especially provided they avoided the most common fatalities (injuries, accidents, and getting eaten). It's a common misconception that paleolithic people commonly died very young.
That is a good point0 -
I cannot literally believe some of the things I hear or read about nutrition and diet. Everything is so contradicting and I now have to question everything that I've ever believed.
Surely I am not the only one that feels this way?
Okay, so I don't have the cleanest diet yet, but I'm getting there. By clean, I mean relatively paleo
But WHY are doctors and nutritionists telling us this!
It's not rocket science is it. All this unnatural, processed food (wheat and dairy included), how can this possibly be good for us when we aren't actually designed to eat it. You'd consider feeding a lion fruit pastels outrageous right?
Yet few people seemed to have considered the effect of what they eat.
It makes me feel disgusted, I want to question everything!!!
I don't know what fruit pastels are, but I know that you can drive yourself crazy worrying about all this. It seems to me that if you just eat everything in moderation, you'll probably be okay. I mean, it wasn't too long ago that "scientists" were saying that eggs were going to kill us all. You can ask 10 different "experts" what's "healthy" and you'll get 10 different answer. We are all gonna die of something...I'd rather die of food than die of stress about food.
^^^ this woman is healthy!!! You have to listen to her:)0 -
I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.
^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.
Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?
Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.
Are you familiar with the straw man argument as a logical fallacy?
I don't understand your perspective on what I stated. I am not refuting the paleo diet, I am just pointing out it's merits. Just because those similarities exist does not make this a straw man argument, I refuted neither one. In order for it to be a straw man argument I would need to refute the paleo diet, but then create an argument that was superficially similar. An argument that points to worthwhile parts within an argument is a very different thing.
Never mind. If you're not arguing in favor of paleo then I have no idea what how we are supposed to interpret your posts. I took your argument to be in favor of paleo by comparing processed foods against fresh vegetables and quality beef. Paleo is not the only approach that would support that.0 -
I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.
^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.
Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?
Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.
Are you familiar with the straw man argument as a logical fallacy?
I don't understand your perspective on what I stated. I am not refuting the paleo diet, I am just pointing out it's merits. Just because those similarities exist does not make this a straw man argument, I refuted neither one. In order for it to be a straw man argument I would need to refute the paleo diet, but then create an argument that was superficially similar. An argument that points to worthwhile parts within an argument is a very different thing.
Never mind. If you're not arguing in favor of paleo then I have no idea what how we are supposed to interpret your posts. I took your argument to be in favor of paleo by comparing processed foods against fresh vegetables and quality beef. Paleo is not the only approach that would support that.
I was responding to someone who stated they laughed at the term paleo because of what they believe it stood for, and I pointed out merits of the paleo diet that make sense to me.0 -
I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.
^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.
Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?
Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.
Are you familiar with the straw man argument as a logical fallacy?
I don't understand your perspective on what I stated. I am not refuting the paleo diet, I am just pointing out it's merits. Just because those similarities exist does not make this a straw man argument, I refuted neither one. In order for it to be a straw man argument I would need to refute the paleo diet, but then create an argument that was superficially similar. An argument that points to worthwhile parts within an argument is a very different thing.
Never mind. If you're not arguing in favor of paleo then I have no idea what how we are supposed to interpret your posts. I took your argument to be in favor of paleo by comparing processed foods against fresh vegetables and quality beef. Paleo is not the only approach that would support that.
I was responding to someone who stated they laughed at the term paleo because of what they believe it stood for, and I pointed out merits of the paleo diet that make sense to me.
Yes, and to argue in favor of paleo by making that comparison is a straw man argument. Many of us that are not on paleo still eat plenty of fresh vegetables, fruits, and quality meat. We just also happen to eat dairy, grains and legumes. The arguments against paleo have nothing to do with fresh vegetables.0 -
I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.
^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.
I am waiting for the Ancient Egyptian Agricultural Diet - never seen a picture of a fat mummy! Plus I like chickpeas and beer.0 -
I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.
^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.
Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?
Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.
Are you familiar with the straw man argument as a logical fallacy?
I don't understand your perspective on what I stated. I am not refuting the paleo diet, I am just pointing out it's merits. Just because those similarities exist does not make this a straw man argument, I refuted neither one. In order for it to be a straw man argument I would need to refute the paleo diet, but then create an argument that was superficially similar. An argument that points to worthwhile parts within an argument is a very different thing.
Never mind. If you're not arguing in favor of paleo then I have no idea what how we are supposed to interpret your posts. I took your argument to be in favor of paleo by comparing processed foods against fresh vegetables and quality beef. Paleo is not the only approach that would support that.
I was responding to someone who stated they laughed at the term paleo because of what they believe it stood for, and I pointed out merits of the paleo diet that make sense to me.
Yes, and to argue in favor of paleo by making that comparison is a straw man argument. Many of us that are not on paleo still eat plenty of fresh vegetables, fruits, and quality meat. We just also happen to eat dairy, grains and legumes. The arguments against paleo have nothing to do with fresh vegetables.
I think you misunderstand the straw man argument then, because I didn't make one... To do this I would need to make an argument that was practically the same one, and refute the argument, without refuting the original position. I did neither of these things.0 -
It's not rocket science is it. All this unnatural, processed food (wheat and dairy included), how can this possibly be good for us when we aren't actually designed to eat it. You'd consider feeding a lion fruit pastels outrageous right?
Unless you are one of the RAW caveman eaters, then you eat things that are natural but procecessed, which isn't always bad.0 -
Grits are ground corn, and they are very popular in the southeastern U.S. primarily as a breakfast food, though you really haven't experienced Southern cousin until you've had shrimp and grits. They remain a regional staple. I grew up on them and love them.
I'm a Yankee, married to a Southerner. I'll never forget the first time I went to visit his family and saw Quaker Instant Grits in the grocery store. Like, who knew they existed?I always that grits were made of wheat. Guess that's why I'm a Yankee-girl.
Haven't you ever seen "My Cousin Vinny"?0 -
In for the fruit pastels. Because they sound yummy and colorful.
How do we know lions don't like them, BTW?
Because lions are carnivores.
BUT dey so naaaiceee.
(they're like gummy fruit flavoured sweets with a sugary coating for anyone outside the UK...)
Then what are they like for anyone *inside* the UK?0 -
It's because there are very few absolutes in nutritional science (which in itself is a relatively new field) and we have a certain degree of biochemical individuality.
Reaching consensus will therefore be unlikely for many issues.
It is, to a large degree, finding what works for you through experimentation as a result.0 -
Cause it tastes so damn good ...I joke...I have no real answer
You may be closer to the truth than you might think. I have often felt that if a person's sense of taste and smell could be eliminated, they would only eat when hungry...and thus never overeat. Personally, I know for a fact that I have continued to stuff my face LONG AFTER I was full.
I actually lost my sense of taste a smell a few years ago - it was not fun at all and oddly I didn't eat less, I ate more as I was trying to get a taste of anything :noway: I think you'd have to be born this way. And I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
I am currently enjoying a taste of my unclean wine :drinker:0 -
I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.
^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.
Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?
Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.
Are you familiar with the straw man argument as a logical fallacy?
I don't understand your perspective on what I stated. I am not refuting the paleo diet, I am just pointing out it's merits. Just because those similarities exist does not make this a straw man argument, I refuted neither one. In order for it to be a straw man argument I would need to refute the paleo diet, but then create an argument that was superficially similar. An argument that points to worthwhile parts within an argument is a very different thing.
Never mind. If you're not arguing in favor of paleo then I have no idea what how we are supposed to interpret your posts. I took your argument to be in favor of paleo by comparing processed foods against fresh vegetables and quality beef. Paleo is not the only approach that would support that.
I was responding to someone who stated they laughed at the term paleo because of what they believe it stood for, and I pointed out merits of the paleo diet that make sense to me.
Yes, and to argue in favor of paleo by making that comparison is a straw man argument. Many of us that are not on paleo still eat plenty of fresh vegetables, fruits, and quality meat. We just also happen to eat dairy, grains and legumes. The arguments against paleo have nothing to do with fresh vegetables.
I think you misunderstand the straw man argument then, because I didn't make one... To do this I would need to make an argument that was practically the same one, and refute the argument, without refuting the original position. I did neither of these things.
No. I clearly do not misunderstand logic. I cannot follow your posts, however, so the discussion is a waste of my time.0 -
I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.
^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.
Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?
Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.
Are you familiar with the straw man argument as a logical fallacy?
I don't understand your perspective on what I stated. I am not refuting the paleo diet, I am just pointing out it's merits. Just because those similarities exist does not make this a straw man argument, I refuted neither one. In order for it to be a straw man argument I would need to refute the paleo diet, but then create an argument that was superficially similar. An argument that points to worthwhile parts within an argument is a very different thing.
Never mind. If you're not arguing in favor of paleo then I have no idea what how we are supposed to interpret your posts. I took your argument to be in favor of paleo by comparing processed foods against fresh vegetables and quality beef. Paleo is not the only approach that would support that.
I was responding to someone who stated they laughed at the term paleo because of what they believe it stood for, and I pointed out merits of the paleo diet that make sense to me.
Yes, and to argue in favor of paleo by making that comparison is a straw man argument. Many of us that are not on paleo still eat plenty of fresh vegetables, fruits, and quality meat. We just also happen to eat dairy, grains and legumes. The arguments against paleo have nothing to do with fresh vegetables.
I think you misunderstand the straw man argument then, because I didn't make one... To do this I would need to make an argument that was practically the same one, and refute the argument, without refuting the original position. I did neither of these things.
No. I clearly do not misunderstand logic. I cannot follow your posts, however, so the discussion is a waste of my time.
Not trying to offend you, but either you cant make sense of what I am saying, or you are using the straw man argument incorrectly. I don't know which it is. I am not sure how I can clarify it for you any more.0 -
Ha! It came out a few years after we started dating.
Grits are ground corn, and they are very popular in the southeastern U.S. primarily as a breakfast food, though you really haven't experienced Southern cousin until you've had shrimp and grits. They remain a regional staple. I grew up on them and love them.
I'm a Yankee, married to a Southerner. I'll never forget the first time I went to visit his family and saw Quaker Instant Grits in the grocery store. Like, who knew they existed?I always that grits were made of wheat. Guess that's why I'm a Yankee-girl.
Haven't you ever seen "My Cousin Vinny"?0 -
Why do people eat the rubbish processed stuff out there?
Its called marketing. They're good at manipulation and are paid to make something that's not even good for you look good enough to buy! ... They're way down on my list of professions I trust..,0 -
Why do people eat the rubbish processed stuff out there?
Its called marketing. They're good at manipulation and are paid to make something that's not even good for you look good enough to buy! ... They're way down on my list of professions I trust..,
I wish I had a better answer other than it seems like they just don't care, or are uneducated on what is actually healthy for them.0 -
When I hear 'paleo' I always find myself wanting to yell 'evolution'.
~shakes my head and gets to the point~
Yes, the whole world has been brainwashed, in one way or another. You included, though I understand that you'd probably vehemently disagree with me about that.
Doctors and nutritionists, for the most part, while meaning well, are often overwhelmed and in some cases tired of telling people what they deem as accurate information because people just don't want to hear it. In other cases, they are simply human and subject to the same failings as the rest of us. I've yet to meet a doctor who hasn't said 'don't eat junk food, don't eat so much sugar and fat, eat more fruits and veg', now imagine saying that even five times a day, three days a week, 48 weeks out of the year. Not only would you be sick of saying it, you'd also be pretty sick of the people who kept coming to you with ailments that could be alleviated if they just did those simple things. Imagine watching people you'd try to care for die because they failed to take your advice.
I don't disagree that removing processed foods from your diet is a good thing, even though I disagree with your full definition of processed. But realisitically not everyone, even those who are very health conscious, are going to want to do that.
Obsessive perfectionism is not a good thing, so I suggest you relax, and not stress about it so much.0 -
Why do people eat the rubbish processed stuff out there?
Its called marketing. They're good at manipulation and are paid to make something that's not even good for you look good enough to buy! ... They're way down on my list of professions I trust..,
I wish I had a better answer other than it seems like they just don't care, or are uneducated on what is actually healthy for them.
Some of it is very tasty though - and ok in a balanced diet in moderation :bigsmile:0 -
I laugh at paleo. How long did those people live again... 20 years? And I'm sure they were all spending their time at the computer too.
^This. Those folks from the past were paleo because they had no choice.
Do you think that most of the food produced and boxed today with the chemicals used, tend to be better than fresh vegetables or grass fed beef?
Because I don't think they are, and have had far more success eliminating them than not.
Are you familiar with the straw man argument as a logical fallacy?
I don't understand your perspective on what I stated. I am not refuting the paleo diet, I am just pointing out it's merits. Just because those similarities exist does not make this a straw man argument, I refuted neither one. In order for it to be a straw man argument I would need to refute the paleo diet, but then create an argument that was superficially similar. An argument that points to worthwhile parts within an argument is a very different thing.
Never mind. If you're not arguing in favor of paleo then I have no idea what how we are supposed to interpret your posts. I took your argument to be in favor of paleo by comparing processed foods against fresh vegetables and quality beef. Paleo is not the only approach that would support that.
I was responding to someone who stated they laughed at the term paleo because of what they believe it stood for, and I pointed out merits of the paleo diet that make sense to me.
Yes, and to argue in favor of paleo by making that comparison is a straw man argument. Many of us that are not on paleo still eat plenty of fresh vegetables, fruits, and quality meat. We just also happen to eat dairy, grains and legumes. The arguments against paleo have nothing to do with fresh vegetables.
I think you misunderstand the straw man argument then, because I didn't make one... To do this I would need to make an argument that was practically the same one, and refute the argument, without refuting the original position. I did neither of these things.
No. I clearly do not misunderstand logic. I cannot follow your posts, however, so the discussion is a waste of my time.
Not trying to offend you, but either you cant make sense of what I am saying, or you are using the straw man argument incorrectly. I don't know which it is. I am not sure how I can clarify it for you any more.
I'm pretty sure we're talking past each other. I think you are just highlighting some positives of paleo without supporting it all then? Not trying to offend you either.0 -
That was a different era. We have adapted since then. Our environment is different.0
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Those who claim they don't eat "processed" food are often fooling themselves.0
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Why do people eat the rubbish processed stuff out there?
Because its highly palatable.
As someone alluded to previously our tastebuds are primed to seek out sweet foods as it has a correlation with high calorie density which was previously necessary for survival.
Unfortunately our environment (and therefore lifestyle) has vastly changed...0
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