Body pump as weight training ?
lyie
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The weight section of my gym is too full of bulky men, and I just don't dare to go there, so I'm sticking to the machines, even if I know it isn't as effective as free weights. So, I was wondering if Body Pump class would be better than machines or not ? I don't wanna begin this if it doesn't provide me something more.
Thanks for your answer !
Thanks for your answer !
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Do pump 3-4 times a week. It might not be better or worse but its about 450 calories per hr
and its a lot of fun. Leaving to go to class in about 15 minutes. If you like fun upbeat music and
very motivated people you will enjoy it.0 -
Pump is great- I'd say twice a week s enough. It won't be as effective as working the weights section, but you'll certainly notice an improvement in your muscles, especially if you get your weights right.0
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No, just no.
Pump is lifting light with lots of repetition. Good for fat burn but it almost becomes a cardio work out. You will see very little muscle definition and it will be very slow so if you actually want to work on building muscle then you need to lift heavy with low reps which pump does not do.0 -
I disagree, you WILl notice an improvement in muscle definition, if you lift heavy enough.0
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I disagree, you WILl notice an improvement in muscle definition, if you lift heavy enough.
The way the class is structured they don't want you doing fewer reps. And getting that kind of benefit from your weight training means increasing the weight to a point that you can only do for a relatively low amount of reps. Pump is not strength training. Not if you follow it as the instructor guides it, anyway. Telling people otherwise on here only proves you don't know much about this sort of thing, no offense.0 -
The weight section of my gym is too full of bulky men, and I just don't dare to go there, so I'm sticking to the machines, even if I know it isn't as effective as free weights. So, I was wondering if Body Pump class would be better than machines or not ? I don't wanna begin this if it doesn't provide me something more.
Thanks for your answer !
Why not work out with the guys? Nothing wrong there, and they can be very helpful. They won't judge you, certainly.0 -
I disagree, you WILl notice an improvement in muscle definition, if you lift heavy enough.
Body Pump is cardio. Cardio will burn more calories, and likely burn fat. Burning fat means you'll "see" the muscle definition that you could not see prior under the layer of fat covering the muscles.
However; I would not consider it true weight training, and it won't INCREASE your muscle definition...just burn the fat so you can see the muscle that is already there.
I guess it depends on what your goals are...
1. To see your muscles...Do Body Pump. It is a fun, motivating, CARDIO class.
2. To gain strength or additional muscle definition...traditional strength training is the only way to go.0 -
No, just no.
Pump is lifting light with lots of repetition. Good for fat burn but it almost becomes a cardio work out. You will see very little muscle definition and it will be very slow so if you actually want to work on building muscle then you need to lift heavy with low reps which pump does not do.
This. Although you don't have to do LOW reps to build muscle--I stick to the 8-12 rep range usually.0 -
The weight section of my gym is too full of bulky men, and I just don't dare to go there, so I'm sticking to the machines, even if I know it isn't as effective as free weights.
You should SOOO go into the free weight area! The guys will not care that you are there. There are several women, along with myself, that work out in the weight room daily, right alongside the men. We have developed a camaraderie with the guys, they treat us no differently than the other guys. Weight training is fun!0 -
I disagree, you WILl notice an improvement in muscle definition, if you lift heavy enough.
The way the class is structured they don't want you doing fewer reps. And getting that kind of benefit from your weight training means increasing the weight to a point that you can only do for a relatively low amount of reps. Pump is not strength training. Not if you follow it as the instructor guides it, anyway. Telling people otherwise on here only proves you don't know much about this sort of thing, no offense.
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No, just no.
Pump is lifting light with lots of repetition. Good for fat burn but it almost becomes a cardio work out. You will see very little muscle definition and it will be very slow so if you actually want to work on building muscle then you need to lift heavy with low reps which pump does not do.
This. Although you don't have to do LOW reps to build muscle--I stick to the 8-12 rep range usually.
8-12 reps is considered low.... Especially when you're comparing to pump. I do 8-10 reps. Exactly what I meant by low reps
15 reps and above is then what I consider high reps and somewhat useless in comparison to low reps.
Although I know body builders go as low as 3-5 reps, I'd still consider mine and your range low reps.0 -
I encourage you to work with the guys, too! I had to adapt to it and honestly, a lot of them are really nice guys (: And cute.The weight section of my gym is too full of bulky men, and I just don't dare to go there, so I'm sticking to the machines.0 -
You will see gains with low reps as long as your muscles are fatigued at the end. It may or may not be as much of a gain (depends on who you believe) but you will definitely gain.0
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Body pump is intense. Lots of repetitions and squats! For me the most amount of times I'd attend would be once a week or every other week. I'd rather try out different weight training exercises than body pump a couple times a week. I notice at my gym body pump's moves are very similar even as they have new releases.0
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I do body pump 2 times a week and I can see muscle definition, and I am steadily increasing my weights... so while I can't say it's the same as lifting in the weight room it offers way more than cardio. If you are lifting heavy enough, you are doing the moves properly/with resistence and you are working hard enough to increase your weights there is a benefit to it.
You want cardio, go for a run.
ETA: So are the ones suggesting pump is only cardio, also suggesting using the circuit weight machines is only cardio too?
I have seen FAR more changes in my muscles/body, since starting body pump.0 -
sounds like you are making excuses for not lifting weights. if you want to lift no matter how many guys are in the gym it shouldn't stop you. I was in the gym this morning it was a lady right next to me doing dumbbell rows. Plus i would rather have a lady working out next to me than a smelly sweaty guy
btw bodypump help me increase my maxes in my bench press and squats over the time i was taking the class0 -
I loooooove BP and won't be stopping it, but I have decided I need to start free lifting as well after reading this thread. 0
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I'm not going to quote anyone, but there's a crapload of misinformation in this thread...
First, as has been said, bodypump isn't going to do squat for you in terms of strength training. It's a high rep endurance/cardio workout.
Second, you don't need cardio in order to 'burn fat'. As a matter of fact, many people will argue that cardio is somewhat counter productive to true clean fat burning ( http://members.rachelcosgrove.com/public/The_Final_Nail_in_the_Cardio_Coffin.cfm ). In my experience...both personal and with women I've helped train...strength training with low reps (NOT 8-12) produces the best fat reduction of anything short of lipo.
Third, understand that when discussing reps, this means you're using a weight you can ONLY complete the stated number of reps with. With that understanding, 8-12 reps aren't 'low reps' other than by comparison to something like...oh, say...bodypump. Traditionally, low reps would be in the 4-6 range (this is where I like to work, and where I like those I help to work as well...once they have form down). This builds strength, but will do relatively little to 'build' additional muscle. Mid range reps are the 8-12 range. This is the 'hypertrophy' rep range, and is optimal for actually building muscle (assuming you're eating on a calorie surplus). Anything above 12 is basically cardio/endurance work.
When I write up a freeweight workout routine for a woman, I generally start them in the 12x3 rep range, with a weight they could actually complete the exercise say, 15 times with. This gives them resistance, but doesn't overload them while they're learning form. Once they have form down...we'll raise the weight until they can actually only complete the 12 reps. The next session with that routine (I use two alternating routines), we'll increase the weight enough to drop the reps to 8x3 (assuming they have proper form nailed down well enough). Two more sessions of that routine with 8 reps...and we'll usually get into the 5x5 stuff.
NOW...all that being said...you can do a pretty comprehensive workout routine on machines. No, it won't be as good as freeweights, but if you absolutely refuse to learn to lift properly...they will do a good job filling in. You will have to do a few additional exercises to make up for some of what is missed with freeweights, but it sounds to me like you'd rather do that than deal with the big buff guys lol.
Anyhow, if you need help with a reasonable starting routine, let me know and we'll see what we can do.0 -
I do body pump 2 times a week and I can see muscle definition, and I am steadily increasing my weights... so while I can't say it's the same as lifting in the weight room it offers way more than cardio. If you are lifting heavy enough, you are doing the moves properly/with resistence and you are working hard enough to increase your weights there is a benefit to it.
You want cardio, go for a run.
ETA: So are the ones suggesting pump is only cardio, also suggesting using the circuit weight machines is only cardio too?
I have seen FAR more changes in my muscles/body, since starting body pump.
I don't think anyone said it's ONLY cardio. It is primarily cardio in nature--yes. I don't get the comparison between body pump and the weight machines.0 -
I consider it as a combination of cardio and strength.. just do it a few times a week, maybe you will make your way to the heavy lifting area but I wouldn't really worry about much about whether it's serious weight training or not. You are using weights, that's all that matters. Do what works for you at your own pace0
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What if all the "bulky men" started taking your Body Pump class?
As stated numerous times-Body Pump is a great Cardio class. Seriously, if you really want to lift, you need to get over whatever your insecurities are and lift in the free weight session. Maybe hiring a personal trainer for a couple of sessions might help you.0 -
I do body pump 2 times a week and I can see muscle definition, and I am steadily increasing my weights... so while I can't say it's the same as lifting in the weight room it offers way more than cardio. If you are lifting heavy enough, you are doing the moves properly/with resistence and you are working hard enough to increase your weights there is a benefit to it.
You want cardio, go for a run.
ETA: So are the ones suggesting pump is only cardio, also suggesting using the circuit weight machines is only cardio too?
I have seen FAR more changes in my muscles/body, since starting body pump.
I don't think anyone said it's ONLY cardio. It is primarily cardio in nature--yes. I don't get the comparison between body pump and the weight machines.
Actually, a few people here are insisting it's just cardio. If you have weights in your hand, it can be considered weight training, low rep, high rep, it doesn't matter. Everyone's definition of "weight training" is different. I have moved away from these kind of classes as my primary source of weight lifting, now spending a lot of time in the free weights area with barbells.. I still consider both to be weight lifting, one just has more cardio involved than the other.0 -
I do body pump 2 times a week and I can see muscle definition, and I am steadily increasing my weights... so while I can't say it's the same as lifting in the weight room it offers way more than cardio. If you are lifting heavy enough, you are doing the moves properly/with resistence and you are working hard enough to increase your weights there is a benefit to it.
You want cardio, go for a run.
ETA: So are the ones suggesting pump is only cardio, also suggesting using the circuit weight machines is only cardio too?
I have seen FAR more changes in my muscles/body, since starting body pump.
I don't think anyone said it's ONLY cardio. It is primarily cardio in nature--yes. I don't get the comparison between body pump and the weight machines.
You don't get the comparision? Lifting a bar with weights on it for biceps, is the same as sitting at the machine moving it for biceps.. it's a different tactic but works the same muscle. I did the weight circuit for close to a year, then have been at body pump for 3 months.. the results I have seen in the last 3 months of body pump are FAR GREATER than anything I ever saw on the weight machines.0 -
I do body pump 2 times a week and I can see muscle definition, and I am steadily increasing my weights... so while I can't say it's the same as lifting in the weight room it offers way more than cardio. If you are lifting heavy enough, you are doing the moves properly/with resistence and you are working hard enough to increase your weights there is a benefit to it.
You want cardio, go for a run.
ETA: So are the ones suggesting pump is only cardio, also suggesting using the circuit weight machines is only cardio too?
I have seen FAR more changes in my muscles/body, since starting body pump.
I don't think anyone said it's ONLY cardio. It is primarily cardio in nature--yes. I don't get the comparison between body pump and the weight machines.
Actually, a few people here are insisting it's just cardio. If you have weights in your hand, it can be considered weight training, low rep, high rep, it doesn't matter. Everyone's definition of "weight training" is different. I have moved away from these kind of classes as my primary source of weight lifting, now spending a lot of time in the free weights area with barbells.. I still consider both to be weight lifting, one just has more cardio involved than the other.
That's great that you consider it both. That's great that you consider anything involving weight 'weight training'. There is actually a set standard of what is considered 'weight training' (or more correctly stated 'strength training'), and what is considered endurance/cardio.
Bodypump is absolutely the latter.0 -
been down this road before with this argument but the class ain't cardio intense the only time my heart rate really gets elevated is with the jump squats0
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What if all the "bulky men" started taking your Body Pump class?
As stated numerous times-Body Pump is a great Cardio class. Seriously, if you really want to lift, you need to get over whatever your insecurities are and lift in the free weight session. Maybe hiring a personal trainer for a couple of sessions might help you.
A lot of big men do take Body Pump..0 -
I do body pump 2 times a week and I can see muscle definition, and I am steadily increasing my weights... so while I can't say it's the same as lifting in the weight room it offers way more than cardio. If you are lifting heavy enough, you are doing the moves properly/with resistence and you are working hard enough to increase your weights there is a benefit to it.
You want cardio, go for a run.
ETA: So are the ones suggesting pump is only cardio, also suggesting using the circuit weight machines is only cardio too?
I have seen FAR more changes in my muscles/body, since starting body pump.
I don't think anyone said it's ONLY cardio. It is primarily cardio in nature--yes. I don't get the comparison between body pump and the weight machines.
You don't get the comparision? Lifting a bar with weights on it for biceps, is the same as sitting at the machine moving it for biceps.. it's a different tactic but works the same muscle. I did the weight circuit for close to a year, then have been at body pump for 3 months.. the results I have seen in the last 3 months of body pump are FAR GREATER than anything I ever saw on the weight machines.
What kinds of sets were you doing with the machines? What kind of weight?been down this road before with this argument but the class ain't cardio intense the only time my heart rate really gets elevated is with the jump squats
Walking is cardio. I walk all the time without elevating my heart rate.0 -
I do body pump 2 times a week and I can see muscle definition, and I am steadily increasing my weights... so while I can't say it's the same as lifting in the weight room it offers way more than cardio. If you are lifting heavy enough, you are doing the moves properly/with resistence and you are working hard enough to increase your weights there is a benefit to it.
You want cardio, go for a run.
ETA: So are the ones suggesting pump is only cardio, also suggesting using the circuit weight machines is only cardio too?
I have seen FAR more changes in my muscles/body, since starting body pump.
I don't think anyone said it's ONLY cardio. It is primarily cardio in nature--yes. I don't get the comparison between body pump and the weight machines.
Actually, a few people here are insisting it's just cardio. If you have weights in your hand, it can be considered weight training, low rep, high rep, it doesn't matter. Everyone's definition of "weight training" is different. I have moved away from these kind of classes as my primary source of weight lifting, now spending a lot of time in the free weights area with barbells.. I still consider both to be weight lifting, one just has more cardio involved than the other.
That's great that you consider it both. That's great that you consider anything involving weight 'weight training'. There is actually a set standard of what is considered 'weight training' (or more correctly stated 'strength training'), and what is considered endurance/cardio.
Bodypump is absolutely the latter.
Categorize it any way you want. You will get strength gains in bodypump as long as you are working to fatigue. You will get MORE gains if you do lower reps, but that doesn't mean you will get ZERO gains from high reps. That is a persistent myth that is not supported by research.0 -
I do body pump 2 times a week and I can see muscle definition, and I am steadily increasing my weights... so while I can't say it's the same as lifting in the weight room it offers way more than cardio. If you are lifting heavy enough, you are doing the moves properly/with resistence and you are working hard enough to increase your weights there is a benefit to it.
You want cardio, go for a run.
ETA: So are the ones suggesting pump is only cardio, also suggesting using the circuit weight machines is only cardio too?
I have seen FAR more changes in my muscles/body, since starting body pump.
I don't think anyone said it's ONLY cardio. It is primarily cardio in nature--yes. I don't get the comparison between body pump and the weight machines.
Actually, a few people here are insisting it's just cardio. If you have weights in your hand, it can be considered weight training, low rep, high rep, it doesn't matter. Everyone's definition of "weight training" is different. I have moved away from these kind of classes as my primary source of weight lifting, now spending a lot of time in the free weights area with barbells.. I still consider both to be weight lifting, one just has more cardio involved than the other.
That's great that you consider it both. That's great that you consider anything involving weight 'weight training'. There is actually a set standard of what is considered 'weight training' (or more correctly stated 'strength training'), and what is considered endurance/cardio.
Bodypump is absolutely the latter.
so what if i am doing pyramid set???? i am doing just as many reps as in a body pump class so is that considered endurance/cardio too???
a bunch of freaking know it all that dont know **** just because they are afraid to try new stuff. 3 sets of 10-12 reps of the same exercise over and over again gets very boring; keep it fresh0
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