The conspiracy to make (and keep us) fat...
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Kids get fat because parents let them eat pretty much as much as they want of whatever they want. The parents have no idea how to feed themselves, let alone their children.
I never had restrictions on what I could eat or when. I was always thin until in my early twenties I was put in an environment where I was pressured to eat more than I wanted and developed a lot of bad habits.
My kids have a cabinet full of snacks that they pick out at the grocery store that they get to eat whenever they want. They make choices about what they want for dinner and lunch. They're never told to finish their plate or eat their vegetables. I've monitored their food intake to make sure they're getting everything they need, and they are (I'm very careful because we're vegan, I pay very close attention). They are very healthy and happy kids, and they are not the least bit overweight.
Kids get fat when they eat more than they need to. Kids get fat when parents force them to finish their dinner, or their vegetables, or tell them that they can't have what they want later until they eat X amount of something else. Kids get fat when they're bribed and coerced into eating food they don't want, and they get fat when they're taught to develop unhealthy emotional attachments to food (when it's used as a reward, or if they're afraid they'll never see a favorite food again, etc).0 -
Kids get fat because parents let them eat pretty much as much as they want of whatever they want. The parents have no idea how to feed themselves, let alone their children.
I never had restrictions on what I could eat or when. I was always thin until in my early twenties I was put in an environment where I was pressured to eat more than I wanted and developed a lot of bad habits.
My kids have a cabinet full of snacks that they pick out at the grocery store that they get to eat whenever they want. They make choices about what they want for dinner and lunch. They're never told to finish their plate or eat their vegetables. I've monitored their food intake to make sure they're getting everything they need, and they are (I'm very careful because we're vegan, I pay very close attention). They are very healthy and happy kids, and they are not the least bit overweight.
Kids get fat when they eat more than they need to. Kids get fat when parents force them to finish their dinner, or their vegetables, or tell them that they can't have what they want later until they eat X amount of something else. Kids get fat when they're bribed and coerced into eating food they don't want, and they get fat when they're taught to develop unhealthy emotional attachments to food.
Some people can just eat whatever they want without thinking about it and be OK. Some people can't. As a kid I was never pressured into eating things I didn't want. No one ever told me to finish my plate. And I got fat. It's great that your kids are doing well with that. I didn't.
I see the same thing with my cats. I let them free feed. One got fat and the other two are pretty normal. The same feedback mechanisms don't work the same in all people.0 -
Just because they make it doesn't mean we have to eat it. We have the ability to control of our own bodies, and those who use that ability won't be fat.0
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Well you all keep believing that. I just finished two beers after downing half a bag of chips, 400 calories worth of Heath Bar Ice Cream, and am about to dig into some spicy chicken wings and fettuccine alfredo from the local pizza shop. I'd be happy to compare health stats any time.
I'd be happy to...when you're 60!0 -
Kids get fat because parents let them eat pretty much as much as they want of whatever they want. The parents have no idea how to feed themselves, let alone their children.
I never had restrictions on what I could eat or when. I was always thin until in my early twenties I was put in an environment where I was pressured to eat more than I wanted and developed a lot of bad habits.
My kids have a cabinet full of snacks that they pick out at the grocery store that they get to eat whenever they want. They make choices about what they want for dinner and lunch. They're never told to finish their plate or eat their vegetables. I've monitored their food intake to make sure they're getting everything they need, and they are (I'm very careful because we're vegan, I pay very close attention). They are very healthy and happy kids, and they are not the least bit overweight.
Kids get fat when they eat more than they need to. Kids get fat when parents force them to finish their dinner, or their vegetables, or tell them that they can't have what they want later until they eat X amount of something else. Kids get fat when they're bribed and coerced into eating food they don't want, and they get fat when they're taught to develop unhealthy emotional attachments to food.
Some people can just eat whatever they want without thinking about it and be OK. Some people can't. As a kid I was never pressured into eating things I didn't want. No one ever told me to finish my plate. And I got fat. It's great that your kids are doing well with that. I didn't.
I see the same thing with my cats. I let them free feed. One got fat and the other two are pretty normal. The same feedback mechanisms don't work the same in all people.
Well, then, I guess we're both wrong! lol
I do think that Americans in general have very poor eating habits, and they're only getting worse, and we're passing those habits on to the next generation. I wonder how much of it is our culture's focus on consumerism and how that translates to food consumption.0 -
Yep---they absolutely need FAT in their diets, but they should be high-quality fats, not the junky fats full of toxins from fast food restaurants.
Wait. Which toxins specifically?
"... High amounts of a toxin with known connections to heart disease and neurological disorders accumulate in vegetable-based cooking oils that are heated or reheated for hours at a time, new research shows.
The fatty acid-derived toxin, called 4-hydroxy-trans-2-nonenal (HNE), forms in especially high amounts in polyunsaturated oils that have linoleic acid, which include canola, corn, soybean and sunflower, researchers say. The compound does not arise in saturated oils sourced from animal fat...."
You can read the rest of the article here:
http://www.medicineonline.com/news/10/5585/Reheating-Vegetable-Oil-Releases-Toxin-Study.html0 -
i'd even go so far as to argue that the reason kids like mac and cheese in the first place is that they're conditioned by society to do so.
typical kids menu:
Pizza
Chicken Nuggets
Mac+Cheese
Spaghetti
PB+J
Hamburger
French Fries
and we wonder why they get fat?
If we as a society made a concerted effort to feed our kids real food, then guess what? That's the kind of food they'd enjoy! Unfortunately, the system is rigged against that effort.
Kids are hard-wired for high-energy foods for good reason, and it's not because of our society. It's fairly universal.
Unless you've done some research on feeding children whole foods, you might not know this, but kids who eat high-fiber diets are at a high risk for malnutrition. They have very small stomachs, very distractable brains, and very high energy needs. If they consistently fill up on lower-calorie higher fiber foods, its likely that they won't meet their nutrition requirements. Also consider that their micronutrient needs are much lower than adults because they have significant stores from in-utero and breastfeeding.
Most kids get enough refined grains, full fat dairy, and fats in their diet that you don't really hear about this problem until you do some research into feeding kids a whole-food diet (which is possible to do if their diets include dairy, eggs and full-fat meats, but if you're vegan you need to feed them refined grains and oils to make sure they meet their nutrient requirements. It's not advisable to be a whole food vegan child).
It's not America's fault that the kid's menu is full of high-energy, low-fiber foods. The difference is that American high energy foods are also loaded with salt, refined sugars, synthetic fats, dyes and flavors and THOSE make a difference in how they regulate their food intake. It's easy to make pb&j, spaghetti, french fries, etc without that stuff, though, so I wouldn't discount that menu out of hand.
Yep---they absolutely need FAT in their diets, but they should be high-quality fats, not the junky fats full of toxins from fast food restaurants.
Oh for ****'s sake.
No need to be vulgar. Check out the article I cited. It specifically names the fats that are used over and over in fast food joints as being a source of toxins that they specifically name.
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My old mans niece had to go to the Dr about a month ago. She just turned 9. She is already getting boobs and is a bit chubby. Dr changed her diet and she has slimmed down. I saw somewhere about the hormones used in chickens now are affecting ppl who eat those chickens. They use these hormones to speed up chicken growth to sell them faster. Kids love chicken nuggets. NOM NOM NOM lol0
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Kids get fat because parents let them eat pretty much as much as they want of whatever they want. The parents have no idea how to feed themselves, let alone their children.
I never had restrictions on what I could eat or when. I was always thin until in my early twenties I was put in an environment where I was pressured to eat more than I wanted and developed a lot of bad habits.
My kids have a cabinet full of snacks that they pick out at the grocery store that they get to eat whenever they want. They make choices about what they want for dinner and lunch. They're never told to finish their plate or eat their vegetables. I've monitored their food intake to make sure they're getting everything they need, and they are (I'm very careful because we're vegan, I pay very close attention). They are very healthy and happy kids, and they are not the least bit overweight.
Kids get fat when they eat more than they need to. Kids get fat when parents force them to finish their dinner, or their vegetables, or tell them that they can't have what they want later until they eat X amount of something else. Kids get fat when they're bribed and coerced into eating food they don't want, and they get fat when they're taught to develop unhealthy emotional attachments to food.
Some people can just eat whatever they want without thinking about it and be OK. Some people can't. As a kid I was never pressured into eating things I didn't want. No one ever told me to finish my plate. And I got fat. It's great that your kids are doing well with that. I didn't.
I see the same thing with my cats. I let them free feed. One got fat and the other two are pretty normal. The same feedback mechanisms don't work the same in all people.
Now, that I can agree with. I ate a lot of sugar growing up and I was pretty athletic and healthy as a youngster (even if a bit bookish) BUT I got fat anyway. I'm 5' 5" and I weighed in the 180s by the time I was a senior in high school--not very obese by today's standards, but I was apparently eating enough sugar (and starch) to make me hypertensive by then. I slimmed down in university to an athletic 140 by avoiding sweets and being more active. But then I got married, and two things set off my weight gain. I went on the b.c. pill and that did NOT help me keep my weight stable at all, and I was around sweets all the time (my husband can eat whatever he wants and never gets fat). And then the arthritis set in. And when you add in pregnancy and the blood sugar problems along with metabolism damaging yo-yo dieting, I'm not surprised that I have had a battle with obesity. But knowledge is power and now that I feed my body properly for my body type and do pool exercise along with some weight lifting, my weight is slowly normalizing. I feel better than I have felt in a long time and am completely medication-free. Freedom is a wonderful thing. :happy:0 -
My conspiracy theory is that sugars, fake sugars and "low fat and "no fat" foods are keeping people fat- and soda. especially diet soda.
Fat is not bad for you!0 -
My old mans niece had to go to the Dr about a month ago. She just turned 9. She is already getting boobs and is a bit chubby. Dr changed her diet and she has slimmed down. I saw somewhere about the hormones used in chickens now are affecting ppl who eat those chickens. They use these hormones to speed up chicken growth to sell them faster. Kids love chicken nuggets. NOM NOM NOM lol
Yes, hormones in meat are a real problem for children. Puerto Rican girls' average age for menarche is now down to less than 9 years. It is thought to be caused by the large amount of hormone-laced chicken that Puerto Ricans eat.0 -
My conspiracy theory is that sugars, fake sugars and "low fat and "no fat" foods are keeping people fat- and soda. especially diet soda.
Fat is not bad for you!
Yes--as long as they are "good fats" they are great for you. I regularly go over on my fat macro every day (but never go over on my calorie count) and I am slowly slimming right down. I have always eaten well (I was raised on home-grown vegetables and farm to table eggs, milk, meat etc.) but until I cut out sugar and starch, I was not eating properly for my body. Now that I am slimming down and getting healthy, my friends tell me that I look 20 years younger than I am. But that's just a bonus--what is really great is that I am day-by-day, regaining my health. 0 -
I try to cook food that has a high bliss factor, and I still stop eating when I'm full. There's nothing delicious about most processed foods anyway.0
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My conspiracy theory is that sugars, fake sugars and "low fat and "no fat" foods are keeping people fat- and soda. especially diet soda.
Fat is not bad for you!
When I got fat, I never seemed to care whether the fats and sugars I ate were the "right ones" or not.
And now that I've lost weight, I still don't care whether the fats and sugars are the right ones or not. Go figure.0 -
My old mans niece had to go to the Dr about a month ago. She just turned 9. She is already getting boobs and is a bit chubby. Dr changed her diet and she has slimmed down. I saw somewhere about the hormones used in chickens now are affecting ppl who eat those chickens. They use these hormones to speed up chicken growth to sell them faster. Kids love chicken nuggets. NOM NOM NOM lol
It's illegal to use hormones in chickens.
So whatever you saw was BS.0 -
My conspiracy theory is that sugars, fake sugars and "low fat and "no fat" foods are keeping people fat- and soda. especially diet soda.
Fat is not bad for you!
When I got fat, I never seemed to care whether the fats and sugars I ate were the "right ones" or not.
And now that I've lost weight, I still don't care whether the fats and sugars are the right ones or not. Go figure.
and that will likely catch up with you some day. 0 -
My conspiracy theory is that sugars, fake sugars and "low fat and "no fat" foods are keeping people fat- and soda. especially diet soda.
Fat is not bad for you!
When I got fat, I never seemed to care whether the fats and sugars I ate were the "right ones" or not.
And now that I've lost weight, I still don't care whether the fats and sugars are the right ones or not. Go figure.
and that will likely catch up with you some day.
In some vague, unverifiable way for which there is no evidence.
"Yeah? Well you'll get yours! One day!"0 -
My old mans niece had to go to the Dr about a month ago. She just turned 9. She is already getting boobs and is a bit chubby. Dr changed her diet and she has slimmed down. I saw somewhere about the hormones used in chickens now are affecting ppl who eat those chickens. They use these hormones to speed up chicken growth to sell them faster. Kids love chicken nuggets. NOM NOM NOM lol
It's illegal to use hormones in chickens.
So whatever you saw was BS.
How come when I go to buy my chickens I get the ones that say hormone free and they are always smaller than the ones next to them that dont say hormone free? Or free range whats the diff?0 -
My conspiracy theory is that sugars, fake sugars and "low fat and "no fat" foods are keeping people fat- and soda. especially diet soda.
Fat is not bad for you!
When I got fat, I never seemed to care whether the fats and sugars I ate were the "right ones" or not.
And now that I've lost weight, I still don't care whether the fats and sugars are the right ones or not. Go figure.
and that will likely catch up with you some day.
In some vague, unverifiable way for which there is no evidence.
"Yeah? Well you'll get yours! One day!"
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NM i just looked free range dont get the antibiotics as the others one do to prevent the disease they get
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My old mans niece had to go to the Dr about a month ago. She just turned 9. She is already getting boobs and is a bit chubby. Dr changed her diet and she has slimmed down. I saw somewhere about the hormones used in chickens now are affecting ppl who eat those chickens. They use these hormones to speed up chicken growth to sell them faster. Kids love chicken nuggets. NOM NOM NOM lol
It's illegal to use hormones in chickens.
So whatever you saw was BS.
How come when I go to buy my chickens I get the ones that say hormone free and they are always smaller than the ones next to them that dont say hormone free? Or free range whats the diff?
He's right. Are you sure you're not thinking about hormones for beef/dairy production? As far as free range, that means the chicken is not kept in a cage or run and is allowed to roam freely (relatively speaking - there're barriers to keep predators out, I'm sure).
ETA: Nothing's stopping them from putting hormone-free on the packaging since it is true - maybe it is a marketing gimmick.0 -
How come when I go to buy my chickens I get the ones that say hormone free and they are always smaller than the ones next to them that dont say hormone free? Or free range whats the diff?
I don't know, but it's certainly not because the other ones were given hormones.0 -
Straight from the USDA:
"NO HORMONES (pork or poultry):
Hormones are not allowed in raising hogs or poultry. Therefore, the claim "no hormones added" cannot be used on the labels of pork or poultry unless it is followed by a statement that says "Federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones." "0 -
NM i just looked free range dont get the antibiotics as the others one do to prevent the disease they get
"Free range" doesn't mean "no antibiotics used." Chicken sold as "organic" is not allowed to have ever been treated with antibiotics, but there is "free range" chicken that is not "organic" and may have been treated with antibiotics.0 -
My old mans niece had to go to the Dr about a month ago. She just turned 9. She is already getting boobs and is a bit chubby. Dr changed her diet and she has slimmed down. I saw somewhere about the hormones used in chickens now are affecting ppl who eat those chickens. They use these hormones to speed up chicken growth to sell them faster. Kids love chicken nuggets. NOM NOM NOM lol
It's illegal to use hormones in chickens.
So whatever you saw was BS.
How come when I go to buy my chickens I get the ones that say hormone free and they are always smaller than the ones next to them that dont say hormone free? Or free range whats the diff?
He's right. Are you sure you're not thinking about hormones for beef/dairy production? As far as free range, that means the chicken is not kept in a cage or run and is allowed to roam freely (relatively speaking - there're barriers to keep predators out, I'm sure).
ETA: Nothing's stopping them from putting hormone-free on the packaging since it is true - maybe it is a marketing gimmick.
Hell IDK I half pay attn to all the stuff that comes across my ears lol Hence the questions lol I hear a little bit of it and then when it is brought up I ask half assed if it coul dhave anything to do with the subject Now I am curious why my old mans neice is getting boobs so young then. Also why most kids are going through puberty so much earlier. Is it evolution or the food we are eating?0 -
So the conspiracy is between our ancestors that ate to live and companies that make good that tastes good?
Got it, thanks
Hilarious!!! Love it!!!!0 -
What a portion is and what is served is the biggest gap there is.
Ain't it the truth!!0 -
Maybe it's already been said, but...
There is certainly a conspiracy to get you to buy as much food as possible, produced as cheaply as possible, and at the highest price you are prepared to pay without going to a competitor instead. It's called 'business'.
However, no one gives two hoots if you actually eat it or not. They'd be just as happy if you threw it in the trash, so long as you give them your money. Fat, thin, tall, short, your money is good.
There is also a conspiracy (business) to get you to buy as much exercise equipment as possible. But no one considers this to be a 'conspiracy to make (and keep) us fit'.
The only difference between the two is that it takes willpower to use exercise equipment, but eating massive quantities of food is easy and requires little or no self-control or responsibility.0 -
NM i just looked free range dont get the antibiotics as the others one do to prevent the disease they get
"Free range" doesn't mean "no antibiotics used." Chicken sold as "organic" is not allowed to have ever been treated with antibiotics, but there is "free range" chicken that is not "organic" and may have been treated with antibiotics.
and free range can even mean they are free to wander in cramped quarters in a barn. doesn't actually mean they're pasture fed.0 -
Well you all keep believing that. I just finished two beers after downing half a bag of chips, 400 calories worth of Heath Bar Ice Cream, and am about to dig into some spicy chicken wings and fettuccine alfredo from the local pizza shop. I'd be happy to compare health stats any time.
I don't know, I used to be the same way, losing weight and running marathons and not worrying about quality of food so much as calories. I lost 60 lbs twice in this way, eating whatever, even McDonalds as long as it was "on plan". I also ran over 10 marathons (well 4 half, 4 full, and several 30Ks).
After about ten years of this lifestyle I became suddenly quite ill and thought for about 10 months I possibly had colon cancer it was so bad. I have learned the hard way that these kinds of things can indeed catch up to us and it has been a scary and humbling experience. I still have trouble sticking to eating clean but think it is well worth the effort.0
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