Too Much Protein
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MFP often calculates too low for protein. read this:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets?hl=setting+your+macro+targets
I've also been told by a dietician at my work that the goal MFP sets for me is low. A bootcamp trainer I had one said to eat as many grams as your goal weight. So if I want to weigh 130, I should eat 130g protein. (Without a shake, it's near impossible)0 -
I'd focus on the micronutrient quality of your diet, not the macronutrient density. Protein is a macronutrient.
"Despite consuming almost twice as many calories (macronutrients) as we need, fewer than 18% of adults and 2% of children consume the minimum daily requirements of micronutrients recommended."
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/healthy-food-food-scoring-guide-unnatural-foods.html
"With the traditional Western diet, the average American consumes about double the protein her or his body needs. Additionally, the main sources of protein consumed tend to be animal products, which are also high in fat and saturated fat."
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=251
please do not send articles in without a proper reference put in them. might as well have typed it up yourself.
The average american doesnt move as much. The protein intake is high because of the type of food but that is not the actual cause.
saturated fat is also not as much of the enemy as people claim for it to be. inactivity is a bigger problem with america vs europe
People may eat more protein in the US but they also have a higher energy in>energy out
along with lack of physical activity.
you cannot compare both worlds soley on one factor.
that is why that article is severely flawed
http://www.simplyshredded.com/protein-intake-how-much-protein-should-you-consume-and-what-does-the-research-really-say.html
this article is written by someone who is working on his masters in nutrition and has references down below on the safety and optimal protein for normal individuals and athletes0 -
Protein is about like sex.
More is almost always a good thing and you can't have too much of it unless you take it to absolutely silly proportions.0 -
Protein is awesome! Eat more.0
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Protein is good.
I usually grab some grapefruits or kiwis cause they seem to help digesting protein.
certainly people get fat everywhere (not only in States) if eating too much of everything: protein, starch, sugar, fat, booze.
BUT, there is a little detail about why people go low carb.
First of all, protein makes us feel full more then carbs do. And secondly fast carbs play pranks with our blood sugar and insulin levels.
I can keep myself in a decent shape easier on more protein, a bit of (healthy) fat+slow carbs - about 1800 cal/day
The weird thing is if I stay on the same 1800 cal a day of MARS BARS AND DOUGHNUTS, I get fatter and fatter.
Because fast carbs raise blood sugar levels too fast, and high blood sugar levels make people gain more weight.
On top of that, if these fast carbs are eaten at the same time with fat and protein... fat and protein ends up in wrong places of my body.
So if I am dying for a fast sugar, like honey, I eat it separately from fats and protein, so even raised blood sugar would not contribute to a weight gain.
I allow myself fast carbs to get an energy kick when I exercise, and when I burn it all off I eat some protein because it is more filling.
And every time I eat something fatty, like salmon or a steak i eat it with slow carbs and a lot of fiber, such as spinach, broccoli, or green salads.
I have been trying all sorts of eating pattern and this seems to fit me the best.
But it is certainly individual for everyone. I suppose my problem is jumping sugar, so in order to stay fit I need to look after my blood sugar levels, and protein+slow carbs seem to be the best for me.
Absolutely cant to go on the very low calorie diet, because then I become tired and depressed and stop exercising, so it works other way around.0 -
The FDA recommends a protein intake of 0.8 grams/kg of body weight. It's not per pound of body weight.
Sorry, but the FDA doesn't give a rat's *kitten* about your health or feelings. It recommends what's good for the government's finances, not you.
ahahah so true0 -
MFP sets protein too low. To set your macros, check out this link:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/911011-calculating-calorie-macronutrient-needs?page=1#posts-13821336
Also, it's hard to have too much protein.
"It has been observed that the human liver cannot safely metabolise much more than 285-365 g of protein per day (for an 80 kg person), and human kidneys are similarly limited in their capability to remove urea (a byproduct of protein catabolism) from the bloodstream. Exceeding that amount results in excess levels of amino acids, ammonia (hyperammonemia), and/or urea in the bloodstream, with potentially fatal consequences,[1] especially if the person switches to a high-protein diet without giving time for the levels of his or her hepatic enzymes to upregulate. Since protein only contains 4 kcal/gram, and a typical adult human requires in excess of 1900 kcal to maintain the energy balance, it is possible to exceed the safe intake of protein if one is subjected to a high-protein diet with little or no fat or carbohydrates. However, given the lack of scientific data on the effects of high-protein diets, and the observed ability of the liver to compensate over a few days for a shift in protein intake, the US Food and Nutrition Board does not set a Tolerable Upper Limit nor upper Acceptable Macronutrient Distribution Range for protein.[2] Furthermore, medical sources such as UpToDate[3] do not include listings on this topic."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation0 -
MFP sets protein too low. To set your macros, check out this link:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/911011-calculating-calorie-macronutrient-needs?page=1#posts-13821336
Also, it's hard to have too much protein.
"It has been observed that the human liver cannot safely metabolise much more than 285-365 g of protein per day (for an 80 kg person), and human kidneys are similarly limited in their capability to remove urea (a byproduct of protein catabolism) from the bloodstream. Exceeding that amount results in excess levels of amino acids, ammonia (hyperammonemia), and/or urea in the bloodstream, with potentially fatal consequences,[1] especially if the person switches to a high-protein diet without giving time for the levels of his or her hepatic enzymes to upregulate. Since protein only contains 4 kcal/gram, and a typical adult human requires in excess of 1900 kcal to maintain the energy balance, it is possible to exceed the safe intake of protein if one is subjected to a high-protein diet with little or no fat or carbohydrates. However, given the lack of scientific data on the effects of high-protein diets, and the observed ability of the liver to compensate over a few days for a shift in protein intake, the US Food and Nutrition Board does not set a Tolerable Upper Limit nor upper Acceptable Macronutrient Distribution Range for protein.[2] Furthermore, medical sources such as UpToDate[3] do not include listings on this topic."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation
no. That is a BS observation. They consumed nothing but rabbit in the cold. no other forms of nutrients for a prolonged period of time.
It isnt research so I do not know what you are talking about.
Regardless there are people who do PSMF and do not die.
it is based around pretty much pure protein with no fat or carbohydrates. pretty much meaning no other forms of micronutrients.
There is nothing about this happening to anyone else
Please do not use wikipedia is a credible source for linking research because it is not.0 -
So I've recently jumped back on the bandwagon with MFP and noticed that my Protein has been over EVERYDAY as much as 20g! I eat the same thing for breakfast everyday - 1 hard boiled egg and a greek yogurt, almost the same thing for lunch too - a grilled chicken salad. And after these 2 meals I'm almost at my dailey goal of 54g. My protein is mainly lean...so my question for the group is IS TOO MUCH PROTEIN BAD FOR ME? WHY IS IT BAD? WHAT DOES THE EXTRA PROTEIN DO FOR ME. Thanks group.
I learned this is nutrition! Extra protein is the cause of weight gain in America, definitely BUT ONLY IF YOU AREN'T KEEPING ACTIVE! There is so much food that gives way too much protein and most people never knew it was bad, but they also weren't USING any of the protein they were consuming. Protein likes to store in your body in excess amounts and can be harmful to your body but if you are keeping active and using that extra protein then it will actually help your weight loss. So if you want to keep eating what you are eating, just go for a run or strength train and it will help you instead of harm you
You need a new nutritionist. This statement is absolutely false.0 -
I learned this is nutrition! Extra protein is the cause of weight gain in America, definitely BUT ONLY IF YOU AREN'T KEEPING ACTIVE! There is so much food that gives way too much protein and most people never knew it was bad, but they also weren't USING any of the protein they were consuming. Protein likes to store in your body in excess amounts and can be harmful to your body but if you are keeping active and using that extra protein then it will actually help your weight loss. So if you want to keep eating what you are eating, just go for a run or strength train and it will help you instead of harm you
:noway: FAIL :noway:
Agreed! first point is that MFP does NOT have all the right #'s. It has my plain broiled chicken at 1100 grams of sodium??? really??? so focus on the calories and don't worry about excess proteins.0 -
not to mention protein is generally low in calories anyway,
the reason america is overweight is they eat too much of everything, in particular carbs, and unhealthy fats, if americans were to eat more protein and less of the other two they probably wouldn't be overweight
Calories per gram of carb: 4
Calories per gram of protein: 4
....ok i'll rephrase it... high protein foods are generally low in calories eg: 150g of chicken breast is about 250 calories, 150g of sugar is about 600.... god you're pedantic.....
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Your protein target is ridiculously low anyway so I wouldn't worry too much about it.0
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not to mention protein is generally low in calories anyway,
the reason america is overweight is they eat too much of everything, in particular carbs, and unhealthy fats, if americans were to eat more protein and less of the other two they probably wouldn't be overweight
Calories per gram of carb: 4
Calories per gram of protein: 4
....ok i'll rephrase it... high protein foods are generally low in calories eg: 150g of chicken breast is about 250 calories, 150g of sugar is about 600.... god you're pedantic.....
Yes!0 -
So I've recently jumped back on the bandwagon with MFP and noticed that my Protein has been over EVERYDAY as much as 20g! I eat the same thing for breakfast everyday - 1 hard boiled egg and a greek yogurt, almost the same thing for lunch too - a grilled chicken salad. And after these 2 meals I'm almost at my dailey goal of 54g. My protein is mainly lean...so my question for the group is IS TOO MUCH PROTEIN BAD FOR ME? WHY IS IT BAD? WHAT DOES THE EXTRA PROTEIN DO FOR ME. Thanks group.
I learned this is nutrition! Extra protein is the cause of weight gain in America, definitely BUT ONLY IF YOU AREN'T KEEPING ACTIVE! There is so much food that gives way too much protein and most people never knew it was bad, but they also weren't USING any of the protein they were consuming. Protein likes to store in your body in excess amounts and can be harmful to your body but if you are keeping active and using that extra protein then it will actually help your weight loss. So if you want to keep eating what you are eating, just go for a run or strength train and it will help you instead of harm you
erm no. Extra calories are the cause of weight gain in America.0 -
MFP often calculates too low for protein. read this:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets?hl=setting+your+macro+targets
on the other hand, most people eat more protein than their body requires
Bull.
Most people eat too many carbs and not enough protein.
Curleycue0314
Read
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/912920-in-place-of-a-road-map-3-2013
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/869015-fundamental-flaws-with-rda-recommendations-for-protein
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/823505-research-on-protien-intake
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/is-a-calorie-a-calorie.html0 -
I learned this is nutrition! Extra protein is the cause of weight gain in America, definitely BUT ONLY IF YOU AREN'T KEEPING ACTIVE! There is so much food that gives way too much protein and most people never knew it was bad, but they also weren't USING any of the protein they were consuming. Protein likes to store in your body in excess amounts and can be harmful to your body but if you are keeping active and using that extra protein then it will actually help your weight loss. So if you want to keep eating what you are eating, just go for a run or strength train and it will help you instead of harm you
Excess of calories is what causes weight gain in America and any other country.Whether those excess calories come from protein, fats, carbs, or alcohol is irrelevant.
Extra protein won't actually help your weight loss (only that in that your body has to work minutely harder to break it down but that will have minimal results on overall weight loss.) What it will do is help to preserve existing muscle tissue.
But yes, OP, you're fine. Keep eating your protein unless you have a medical reason to not do so.
This. Although it can sort of help with weight loss as it keeps you feeling full for longer.0 -
Calories above your maintenance will make you fat, whatever the macro. Obviously with protein the TEF means you can actually eat more and less be stored as it takes up to 1/3 of the energy to convert to glucose, blood sugar.
However your body limits how much protein most of us can eat - try eating 300g of steak every few hours and tell me you don't feel stuff. Do the same with haribo or similar sweet carbs and I'm sure you will come back saying you're starving with the harbio and full to feeling sick with the steak.
Same with fats, eat too much, you WILL throw up.0 -
Calories above your maintenance will make you fat, whatever the macro. Obviously with protein the TEF means you can actually eat more and less be stored as it takes up to 1/3 of the energy to convert to glucose, blood sugar.
However your body limits how much protein most of us can eat - try eating 300g of steak every few hours and tell me you don't feel stuff. Do the same with haribo or similar sweet carbs and I'm sure you will come back saying you're starving with the harbio and full to feeling sick with the steak.
Same with fats, eat too much, you WILL throw up.
i agree but i can eat 300g of steak easy lol
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From my studies of obese Americans, one pattern I've noticed is that they all have heads. Many of them have legs, too. Just saying.0
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If you are active, especially if you are lifting weights, most will tell you to aim for 1 g of Protein per 1 lb of body weight. Protein alone will not make you fat. Excess calories will make you fat.
This a hundred times over.0 -
Calories above your maintenance will make you fat, whatever the macro. Obviously with protein the TEF means you can actually eat more and less be stored as it takes up to 1/3 of the energy to convert to glucose, blood sugar.
However your body limits how much protein most of us can eat - try eating 300g of steak every few hours and tell me you don't feel stuff. Do the same with haribo or similar sweet carbs and I'm sure you will come back saying you're starving with the harbio and full to feeling sick with the steak.
Same with fats, eat too much, you WILL throw up.
i agree but i can eat 300g of steak easy lol
Read it again - 300g of steak every few hours - COOKED weight, not precooked weight.
Anyone can eat 300g steak once. Eating anything once won't make you fat. Repeatedly, is the problem.0 -
England is not too far behind. you shouldnt talkFrom my studies of obese Americans, one pattern I've noticed is that they all have heads. Many of them have legs, too. Just saying.0 -
Calories above your maintenance will make you fat, whatever the macro. Obviously with protein the TEF means you can actually eat more and less be stored as it takes up to 1/3 of the energy to convert to glucose, blood sugar.
However your body limits how much protein most of us can eat - try eating 300g of steak every few hours and tell me you don't feel stuff. Do the same with haribo or similar sweet carbs and I'm sure you will come back saying you're starving with the harbio and full to feeling sick with the steak.
Same with fats, eat too much, you WILL throw up.
i agree but i can eat 300g of steak easy lol
Read it again - 300g of steak every few hours - COOKED weight, not precooked weight.
Anyone can eat 300g steak once. Eating anything once won't make you fat. Repeatedly, is the problem.
due to the satiety index of meat i dont think that is a good comparison.
better yet try to down 15 scoops of whey protein
FYI the thermic effect of protein ranges from 25-30%. that is before it is metabolized into glucose.0 -
I would like to think that the correct amount of protein is dependent on the person's lifestyle and activity. I think, for a sedentary person, maybe too much protein could prove detrimental, but for someone who is active and strength training, I would imagine it is beneficial. I ate less protein, more carbs when I was less active, and now I find myself craving more protein now I strength train and workout most days. I get between 80 and 120 g per day.0
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I would like to think that the correct amount of protein is dependent on the person's lifestyle and activity. I think, for a sedentary person, maybe too much protein could prove detrimental, but for someone who is active and strength training, I would imagine it is beneficial. I ate less protein, more carbs when I was less active, and now I find myself craving more protein now I strength train and workout most days. I get between 80 and 120 g per day.
no
it isnt.
i would like to know how its detrimental.
what information do you have to present such a statement?0 -
Can we please stop saying stupid crap like " [The thing your preferred guru doesn't like.] is the reason people in [insert country] are obese?" There are VASTLY more factors contributing to obesity than a type of food, or macro-nutrient. I would even go so far as to say that eating too much, alone isn't the factor. People are also often sedentary, have genetic factors, are on medications, are dealing with socio-economic issues, etc. All of which COMBINED play a role in the obesity epidemic. This over-generalized, reductionist, nonsense does nothing to contribute to any kind of reasonable solution. And it makes you sound dumb.
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I would like to think that the correct amount of protein is dependent on the person's lifestyle and activity. I think, for a sedentary person, maybe too much protein could prove detrimental, but for someone who is active and strength training, I would imagine it is beneficial. I ate less protein, more carbs when I was less active, and now I find myself craving more protein now I strength train and workout most days. I get between 80 and 120 g per day.
no
it isnt.
i would like to know how its detrimental.
what information do you have to present such a statement?
It is no wonder so many here do not freely express their thoughts here if people like you feel a need to turn it into a fully backed up dissertation, complete with references. I feel no obligation to give you any information, I shall give my thoughts and views and suggestions freely as I wish, and you can think what you like. Seriously, get a life. Not everyone here is totally obsessed about being 'right'. If you do your own research, you will find plenty of studies out there suggesting that too much protein is detrimental to health, the same as you could equally find research suggesting it is not. Thus, it is pointless arguing about such things over the net.0 -
I would like to think that the correct amount of protein is dependent on the person's lifestyle and activity. I think, for a sedentary person, maybe too much protein could prove detrimental, but for someone who is active and strength training, I would imagine it is beneficial. I ate less protein, more carbs when I was less active, and now I find myself craving more protein now I strength train and workout most days. I get between 80 and 120 g per day.
no
it isnt.
i would like to know how its detrimental.
what information do you have to present such a statement?
It is no wonder so many here do not freely express their thoughts here if people like you feel a need to turn it into a fully backed up dissertation, complete with references. I feel no obligation to give you any information, I shall give my thoughts and views and suggestions freely as I wish, and you can think what you like. Seriously, get a life. Not everyone here is totally obsessed about being 'right'. If you do your own research, you will find plenty of studies out there suggesting that too much protein is detrimental to health, the same as you could equally find research suggesting it is not. Thus, it is pointless arguing about such things over the net.
the previous studies that showed that protein was detrimental to your health was based off of following the increase of glomuler filtration rate in the kidneys.
Medical professionals do not use GFR to test kidney function and that is how the study was heavily flawed.
The research you are talking about is wrong.Results of several recent studies show that high-protein, low-carbohydrate weight loss diets indeed have their benefits. However, agencies such as the American Heart Association (AHA) have some concerns about possible health risks. The purpose of this review is to evaluate the scientific validity of AHA Nutrition Committee's statement on dietary protein and weight reduction (St. Jeor ST et al. Circulation 2001;104:1869–1874), which states: "Individuals who follow these [high-protein] diets are risk for ... potential cardiac, renal, bone, and liver abnormalities overall. Simply stated, there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that high-protein intake has adverse effects on liver function. Relative to renal function, there are no data in the scientific literature demonstrating that healthy kidneys are damaged by the increased demands of protein consumed in quantities 2–3 times above the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA). In contrast with the earlier hypothesis that high-protein intake promotes osteoporosis, some epidemiological studies found a positive association between protein intake and bone mineral density. Further, recent studies studies suggest, at least in the short term, that RDA for protein (0.8 g/kg) does not support normal calcium homeostasis. Finally, a negative correlation has been shown between protein intake and systolic and diastolic blood pressures in several epidemiological surveys. In conclusion, there is little if any scientific evidence supporting above mentioned statement. Certainly, such public warnings should be based on a thorough analysis of the scientific literature, not unsubstantiated fears and misrepresentations. For individuals with normal renal function, the risks are minimal and must be balanced against the real and established risk of continued obesity.0 -
I would like to think that the correct amount of protein is dependent on the person's lifestyle and activity. I think, for a sedentary person, maybe too much protein could prove detrimental, but for someone who is active and strength training, I would imagine it is beneficial. I ate less protein, more carbs when I was less active, and now I find myself craving more protein now I strength train and workout most days. I get between 80 and 120 g per day.
no
it isnt.
i would like to know how its detrimental.
what information do you have to present such a statement?
It is no wonder so many here do not freely express their thoughts here if people like you feel a need to turn it into a fully backed up dissertation, complete with references. I feel no obligation to give you any information, I shall give my thoughts and views and suggestions freely as I wish, and you can think what you like. Seriously, get a life. Not everyone here is totally obsessed about being 'right'. If you do your own research, you will find plenty of studies out there suggesting that too much protein is detrimental to health, the same as you could equally find research suggesting it is not. Thus, it is pointless arguing about such things over the net.
There is a difference between expressing a thought and saying something like what you did without facts to present. This is how bro-science gets spread around. Someone expresses an opinion or thought and suddenly BAM. A bunch of people run with it and try to pass it off as fact.0 -
Can we please stop saying stupid crap like " [The thing your preferred guru doesn't like.] is the reason people in [insert country] are obese?" There are VASTLY more factors contributing to obesity than a type of food, or macro-nutrient. I would even go so far as to say that eating too much, alone isn't the factor. People are also often sedentary, have genetic factors, are on medications, are dealing with socio-economic issues, etc. All of which COMBINED play a role in the obesity epidemic. This over-generalized, reductionist, nonsense does nothing to contribute to any kind of reasonable solution. And it makes you sound dumb.
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