Clean vs. Junk - does it really matter?
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Can't clean be junk? For example, I could make a cake with butter I turned myself, flour I ground myself...totally clean and unprocessed, but it's still unhealthy.
I would say absolutely (though I wouldn't go to that much trouble) but then others would say it couldn't be clean because you had to use sugar.
Sugarcane I crushed myself and cooked the juice off?0 -
I also get a bit of a kick of clean eaters heavily promoting micronutrients. Most "junk" food is fortified with vitamins, a solid multi vitamin is hardly expensive. Micronutrient deficiency is not common at all.
Are you sure? What's your source? Here's mine.
"Despite consuming almost twice as many calories (macronutrients) as we need, fewer than 18% of adults and 2% of children consume the minimum daily requirements of micronutrients recommended."
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/healthy-food-food-scoring-guide-unnatural-foods.html0 -
To make this simple... consider 2 people who weigh the same, but bodies look completely different. eating junk will essentially give you a smaller version of you, not necessarily cut/ripped/fit/healthy. Eating properly will enhance all the work put into weight loss and excercise. I know because i did this. I ate whatever I wanted and still worked out, and i lose weight!! But i was just a smaller version of the belly heavy girl. It wasnt until I started eating properly that i began to acutally see a shape forming, muscle definition and actually feel a "healthier"... with that being said. I do allow myself unhealthy meals, but very rarely. i find that eating my favorite foods when I dont have a craving, reduces the amount of consumption of said food and my desire to want it.0
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Can't clean be junk? For example, I could make a cake with butter I turned myself, flour I ground myself...totally clean and unprocessed, but it's still unhealthy.
I would say absolutely (though I wouldn't go to that much trouble) but then others would say it couldn't be clean because you had to use sugar.
Sugarcane I crushed myself and cooked the juice off?
Ah... but it's still sucrose.
But when you make this divine confection, I will gladly fall on the sword and alleviate you of it's evil dirty-ness!0 -
I dont know anyone that can adapt to eating super small amounts of food even on heavy appetite suppressants. I am talking about the stuff that is illegal
Hmmm...I know illegal stuff that will prevent hunger for days on end. Not healthy, but it does supress the appetite. :smokin:Just here to say that I thought the topic was "Clean junk- does it matter?"
^^ Clean junk is crucial, imho, especially if you are ever using illegal appetite supressants.
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Oh good... another post where a bunch of body builders/ huge men/ women who don't have much to lose try to convince us all that eating whatever is okay and laugh at the attempt to eat healthy/clean.
Good idea, don't listen to the virtual dieting pros that have been there done that, most of whom lost a lot of weight at some point in the rearview mirror, who have experience with a level of diet difficulty well beyond simply "losing weight".
Remember, the drunk at the bar knows best how to quit drinking, the people at AA are cluless on the matter.0 -
Oh good... another post where a bunch of body builders/ huge men/ women who don't have much to lose try to convince us all that eating whatever is okay and laugh at the attempt to eat healthy/clean.
Good idea, don't listen to the virtual dieting pros that have been there done that, most of whom lost a lot of weight at some point in the rearview mirror, who have experience with a level of diet difficulty well beyond simply "losing weight".
Remember, the drunk at the bar knows best how to quit drinking, the people at AA are cluless on the matter.
The point is.. that alot haven't "been there done that." I know alot of great people in fitness that are body builders who have never struggled with their weight. It's not that their advice is invalid... but I'm not going to eat as much as a man who is trying to bulk up therefore, I'm not going to spend all of my calories eating junk.
Would my attempt to eat healthy/clean be invalid because I choose not to eat junk?0 -
ooh ooh I'm in!
If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, then no it doesn't matter. Cal in/cal out gets it done.
If your goals include MORE than simply losing weight, (improved athletic performance, less prone to disease, more energy, better recovery, less stress, etc) it begins to matter much more.
Weightloss vs Optimal Health vs Fitness - all different things and different goals that require different methodology.0 -
ooh ooh I'm in!
If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, then no it doesn't matter. Cal in/cal out gets it done.
If your goals include MORE than simply losing weight, (improved athletic performance, less prone to disease, more energy, better recovery, less stress, etc) it begins to matter much more.
Weightloss vs Optimal Health vs Fitness - all different things and different goals that require different methodology.
Blasphame!0 -
Oh good... another post where a bunch of body builders/ huge men/ women who don't have much to lose try to convince us all that eating whatever is okay and laugh at the attempt to eat healthy/clean.
Good idea, don't listen to the virtual dieting pros that have been there done that, most of whom lost a lot of weight at some point in the rearview mirror, who have experience with a level of diet difficulty well beyond simply "losing weight".
Remember, the drunk at the bar knows best how to quit drinking, the people at AA are cluless on the matter.
The point is.. that alot haven't "been there done that." I know alot of great people in fitness that are body builders who have never struggled with their weight. It's not that their advice is invalid... but I'm not going to eat as much as a man who is trying to bulk up therefore, I'm not going to spend all of my calories eating junk.
Would my attempt to eat healthy/clean be invalid because I choose not to eat junk?
A number of people have come into this thread and stated that they are not bodybuilders and not bulking and have had success on IIFYM.0 -
ooh ooh I'm in!
If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, then no it doesn't matter. Cal in/cal out gets it done.
If your goals include MORE than simply losing weight, (improved athletic performance, less prone to disease, more energy, better recovery, less stress, etc) it begins to matter much more.
Weightloss vs Optimal Health vs Fitness - all different things and different goals that require different methodology.
Blasphame!
I know. I'm a crazy person.0 -
ooh ooh I'm in!
If your ONLY goal is to lose weight, then no it doesn't matter. Cal in/cal out gets it done.
If your goals include MORE than simply losing weight, (improved athletic performance, less prone to disease, more energy, better recovery, less stress, etc) it begins to matter much more.
Weightloss vs Optimal Health vs Fitness - all different things and different goals that require different methodology.
well said! Concise and to the point....0 -
Oh good... another post where a bunch of body builders/ huge men/ women who don't have much to lose try to convince us all that eating whatever is okay and laugh at the attempt to eat healthy/clean.
Good idea, don't listen to the virtual dieting pros that have been there done that, most of whom lost a lot of weight at some point in the rearview mirror, who have experience with a level of diet difficulty well beyond simply "losing weight".
Remember, the drunk at the bar knows best how to quit drinking, the people at AA are cluless on the matter.
The point is.. that alot haven't "been there done that." I know alot of great people in fitness that are body builders who have never struggled with their weight. It's not that their advice is invalid... but I'm not going to eat as much as a man who is trying to bulk up therefore, I'm not going to spend all of my calories eating junk.
Would my attempt to eat healthy/clean be invalid because I choose not to eat junk?
A number of people have come into this thread and stated that they are not bodybuilders and not bulking and have had success on IIFYM.
and many people have success eating "clean". MOST actually fall into both categories - including myself.0 -
Oh good... another post where a bunch of body builders/ huge men/ women who don't have much to lose try to convince us all that eating whatever is okay and laugh at the attempt to eat healthy/clean.
Good idea, don't listen to the virtual dieting pros that have been there done that, most of whom lost a lot of weight at some point in the rearview mirror, who have experience with a level of diet difficulty well beyond simply "losing weight".
Remember, the drunk at the bar knows best how to quit drinking, the people at AA are cluless on the matter.
The point is.. that alot haven't "been there done that." I know alot of great people in fitness that are body builders who have never struggled with their weight. It's not that their advice is invalid... but I'm not going to eat as much as a man who is trying to bulk up therefore, I'm not going to spend all of my calories eating junk.
Would my attempt to eat healthy/clean be invalid because I choose not to eat junk?
A number of people have come into this thread and stated that they are not bodybuilders and not bulking and have had success on IIFYM.
Likewise, alot of people have done this eating clean.0 -
Oh good... another post where a bunch of body builders/ huge men/ women who don't have much to lose try to convince us all that eating whatever is okay and laugh at the attempt to eat healthy/clean.
Good idea, don't listen to the virtual dieting pros that have been there done that, most of whom lost a lot of weight at some point in the rearview mirror, who have experience with a level of diet difficulty well beyond simply "losing weight".
Remember, the drunk at the bar knows best how to quit drinking, the people at AA are cluless on the matter.
The point is.. that alot haven't "been there done that." I know alot of great people in fitness that are body builders who have never struggled with their weight. It's not that their advice is invalid... but I'm not going to eat as much as a man who is trying to bulk up therefore, I'm not going to spend all of my calories eating junk.
Would my attempt to eat healthy/clean be invalid because I choose not to eat junk?
A number of people have come into this thread and stated that they are not bodybuilders and not bulking and have had success on IIFYM.
Likewise, alot of people have done this eating clean.
Your error was mischaracterizing those who disagree with you. Lean male doesn't mean bodybuilder, bulking, or never been fat.0 -
I dont know anyone that can adapt to eating super small amounts of food even on heavy appetite suppressants. I am talking about the stuff that is illegal
Hmmm...I know illegal stuff that will prevent hunger for days on end. Not healthy, but it does supress the appetite. :smokin:Just here to say that I thought the topic was "Clean junk- does it matter?"
^^ Clean junk is crucial, imho, especially if you are ever using illegal appetite supressants.
Moral of the story, keep your junk clean
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Oh good... another post where a bunch of body builders/ huge men/ women who don't have much to lose try to convince us all that eating whatever is okay and laugh at the attempt to eat healthy/clean.
Good idea, don't listen to the virtual dieting pros that have been there done that, most of whom lost a lot of weight at some point in the rearview mirror, who have experience with a level of diet difficulty well beyond simply "losing weight".
Remember, the drunk at the bar knows best how to quit drinking, the people at AA are cluless on the matter.
The point is.. that alot haven't "been there done that." I know alot of great people in fitness that are body builders who have never struggled with their weight. It's not that their advice is invalid... but I'm not going to eat as much as a man who is trying to bulk up therefore, I'm not going to spend all of my calories eating junk.
Would my attempt to eat healthy/clean be invalid because I choose not to eat junk?
But no-one is saying to eat junk all the time and no-one is saying you have to eat junk at all. All people are saying it that you do not have to 'eat clean' all the time.
You made a disparaging comment about people - you later admitted that you had only read the first three pages, and it was obvious that you had not read them very well.
Just as you find it annoying that people jump down your throat for 'eating clean' (which is not something they should do - if it works for you, then it is the best 'diet' for you), others, that do incorporate some 'unclean' food in their diet find it annoying to have disparaging comments made about them. It works both ways.
ETA: if you want input from someone who has lost a significant amount of weight, check out the post from Ed Davenport a few pages back - then check out his ticker.0 -
Your error was mischaracterizing those who disagree with you. Lean male doesn't mean bodybuilder, bulking, or never been fat.
Or female.0 -
Your error was mischaracterizing those who disagree with you. Lean male doesn't mean bodybuilder, bulking, or never been fat.
What do you mean?0 -
Your error was mischaracterizing those who disagree with you. Lean male doesn't mean bodybuilder, bulking, or never been fat.
What do you mean?
You sarcastically said this is a thread where bodybuilders tell everyone else how to eat. You misunderstood pretty much everyone in the thread as well as what they were saying.0 -
Your error was mischaracterizing those who disagree with you. Lean male doesn't mean bodybuilder, bulking, or never been fat.
What do you mean?
You sarcastically said this is a thread where bodybuilders tell everyone else how to eat. You misunderstood pretty much everyone in the thread as well as what they were saying.
As well as making a judgment based on how people look to determine how valid their contribution was to the topic.0 -
Your error was mischaracterizing those who disagree with you. Lean male doesn't mean bodybuilder, bulking, or never been fat.
What do you mean?
You sarcastically said this is a thread where bodybuilders tell everyone else how to eat. You misunderstood pretty much everyone in the thread as well as what they were saying.
Who cares what they look like? IIFYM-ers love to preach. Even more than I do.
(I also want it known, that when I use the term IIFYM-er, I use it in the way the GOP uses the word "liberal", in that I'm not referring to the likes of sarauk2sf, mmapags etc, who actually DO eat mostly whole foods. I'm talking about extremists who have bastardized the phrase)0 -
Your error was mischaracterizing those who disagree with you. Lean male doesn't mean bodybuilder, bulking, or never been fat.
What do you mean?
You sarcastically said this is a thread where bodybuilders tell everyone else how to eat. You misunderstood pretty much everyone in the thread as well as what they were saying.
Who cares what they look like? IIFYM-ers love to preach. Even more than I do.
(I also want it known, that when I use the term IIFYM-er, I use it in the way the GOP uses the word "liberal", in that I'm not referring to the likes of sarauk2sf, mmapags etc, who actually DO eat mostly whole foods. I'm talking about extremists who have bastardized the phrase)
So you use the term in an intentionally provocative way that excludes most people who actually advocate the practice.0 -
Your error was mischaracterizing those who disagree with you. Lean male doesn't mean bodybuilder, bulking, or never been fat.
What do you mean?
You sarcastically said this is a thread where bodybuilders tell everyone else how to eat. You misunderstood pretty much everyone in the thread as well as what they were saying.
Who cares what they look like? IIFYM-ers love to preach. Even more than I do.
(I also want it known, that when I use the term IIFYM-er, I use it in the way the GOP uses the word "liberal", in that I'm not referring to the likes of sarauk2sf, mmapags etc, who actually DO eat mostly whole foods. I'm talking about extremists who have bastardized the phrase)
But the issue was...most of who commented did not fall into your definition of IIFYM - the extreme 'eat all the poptarts' kind. Yet, the comment was made disparagingly about us (I assume I was in that group as I commented on one of the 3 pages the poster actually semi-read).0 -
Your error was mischaracterizing those who disagree with you. Lean male doesn't mean bodybuilder, bulking, or never been fat.
What do you mean?
You sarcastically said this is a thread where bodybuilders tell everyone else how to eat. You misunderstood pretty much everyone in the thread as well as what they were saying.
Who cares what they look like? IIFYM-ers love to preach. Even more than I do.
(I also want it known, that when I use the term IIFYM-er, I use it in the way the GOP uses the word "liberal", in that I'm not referring to the likes of sarauk2sf, mmapags etc, who actually DO eat mostly whole foods. I'm talking about extremists who have bastardized the phrase)
So you use the term in an intentionally provocative way that excludes most people who actually advocate the practice.
bro i'm talking about you when I use it.0 -
Your error was mischaracterizing those who disagree with you. Lean male doesn't mean bodybuilder, bulking, or never been fat.
What do you mean?
You sarcastically said this is a thread where bodybuilders tell everyone else how to eat. You misunderstood pretty much everyone in the thread as well as what they were saying.
Who cares what they look like? IIFYM-ers love to preach. Even more than I do.
(I also want it known, that when I use the term IIFYM-er, I use it in the way the GOP uses the word "liberal", in that I'm not referring to the likes of sarauk2sf, mmapags etc, who actually DO eat mostly whole foods. I'm talking about extremists who have bastardized the phrase)
But the issue was...most of who commented did not fall into your definition of IIFYM - the extreme 'eat all the poptarts' kind. Yet, the comment was made disparagingly about us (I assume I was in that group as I commented on one of the 3 pages the poster actually semi-read).
that's fair.0 -
But no-one is saying to eat junk all the time and no-one is saying you have to eat junk at all. All people are saying it that you do not have to 'eat clean' all the time.
You made a disparaging comment about people - you later admitted that you had only read the first three pages, and it was obvious that you had not read them very well.
Just as you find it annoying that people jump down your throat for 'eating clean' (which is not something they should do - if it works for you, then it is the best 'diet' for you), others, that do incorporate some 'unclean' food in their diet find it annoying to have disparaging comments made about them. It works both ways.
It wasn't meant to be "disparaging".... my personality is dry/ sarcastic... so if it came off that way, then I apologize. I'm cool as a cucumber here... no throat jumping.
I've read the thread, and still do not take back my comments. Disagreeing with what what said=/= not reading.
I'm not hating on people that are in better shape than me... but I also won't agree that we have the same goals. "whaattt your not trying to be rippped???" I didn't say that... but my goal isn't just to lose weight, but to be healthier overall and I don't believe that eating junk is the way to get to where I want to be. I understand that everyone here isn't advocating icecream for breakfast...But the topic title is clean vs. junk... as though its either/ or.0 -
Does any of this really matter? The zombies are coming!0
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I don't know if you would look the same but what you mentioned about energy, skin, etc are more important to me. Take care of your body if you want increased energy and decreased chances of illness. Or eat crap and feel like crap.0
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But no-one is saying to eat junk all the time and no-one is saying you have to eat junk at all. All people are saying it that you do not have to 'eat clean' all the time.
You made a disparaging comment about people - you later admitted that you had only read the first three pages, and it was obvious that you had not read them very well.
Just as you find it annoying that people jump down your throat for 'eating clean' (which is not something they should do - if it works for you, then it is the best 'diet' for you), others, that do incorporate some 'unclean' food in their diet find it annoying to have disparaging comments made about them. It works both ways.
It wasn't meant to be "disparaging".... my personality is dry/ sarcastic... so if it came off that way, then I apologize. I'm cool as a cucumber here... no throat jumping.
I've read the thread, and still do not take back my comments. Disagreeing with what what said=/= not reading.
I'm not hating on people that are in better shape than me... but I also won't agree that we have the same goals. "whaattt your not trying to be rippped???" I didn't say that... but my goal isn't just to lose weight, but to be healthier overall and I don't believe that eating junk is the way to get to where I want to be. I understand that everyone here isn't advocating icecream for breakfast...But the topic title is clean vs. junk... as though its either/ or.
You just do not get it...you have now insinuated that my only goal is to lose weight..../smh0
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