90lb in 14 weeks with pics (hopefully!)

quirkytizzy

I wonder how this thread would play out if it were a GIRL eating 200 calories a day.

People are always on that, correctly shouting "eating disorder territory".

Wetcoaster

How is it possible to lose that much weight so fast and not have loose skin?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/120286-dangers-extreme-diets/

Iron_Feline

How is it possible to lose that much weight so fast and not have loose skin?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/120286-dangers-extreme-diets/

He does, look at the pictures again.

Jimbo_Jammer

I’m with lloydrt on this one. Great job for getting it done!

Mustang_Susie

Finished with dinner, here is a link in regards to heart problems that are related to eating a VLCD, including those that are morbidly obese and can allegedly "survive" on a VLCD.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/56/1/230S.full.pdf (this one is very long...pages 1 and 2 have most of the necessary information, especially the second column on page 2)

We can all look up links.
You couldn't explain it yourself?
This leads me to believe that you makes claims without fully comprehending what you're asserting.

Sorry what? Giving a link is the best way to present some information as you can read the study yourself, not someones take on the study - which is often cherry picked.

Your comment leads me to believe that you can't be bothered to read the study and would rather have someone break it down for you :noway:

It basically says that if you are obese you could already have a heart issue that losing weight quickly on a VLCD could make worse instead of making better.

And a regular GP monitoring you isn't a guarantee of anything. I doubt he got more than his blood pressure checked and h weight checked. They have very little nutritional training in the UK, a slower weigh loss could have left his with all his LBM intact and unless he got a DEXA scan he actually doesn't know the amount of LBM he loss, it's just a guestimate. He also wouldn't have had an issue with excess skin.

This method is not safe or healthy in the long run and nobody should be following his example. Sorry but this thread is a perfect example of how not to lose weight healthily.

No, that's your "cherry picked" version of the study.
The inherent risk in a "V"ery "L"ow "C"alorie "D"iet stems from cardiac arrhythmias due to electrolyte imbalances caused by copper, magnesium and potassium deficiencies.
"The effect of weight loss on the electrocardiogram abnormalities of obesity appears to depend upon whether protein and mineral nutritional status is maintained."
The blanket assertion was that a VLCD causes heart damage, making no mention of nutritional status.
In a subsequent post the OP claims to be consuming a highly nutritious diet.
Have we met with his GP or dietician?
Has the OP divulged the results of his electrocardiogram or comprehensive metabolic panel?
We don't know, do we?

Iron_Feline

Has the OP divulged the results of his electrocardiogram or comprehensive metabolic panel?
We don't know, do we?

I'd put money on the fact that he didn't have either of those tests.

We both live in the UK, trust me on that one.

Lol, the cherry picking was the point of my post about posting a link not your opinion on it.

Oh and the ops diary is open - so you can see it is low in protein - one of the risk factors in the study. I picked a day at random and the op netted 395 calories. That can be a nutritious as you want - but he is undereating by a MASSIVE amount. That is not healthy at all. :noway:

Edit: I'm out, I've made my point and hopefully a few people who read this will realise this is an unhealthy way to lose weight and not copy it.

Mustang_Susie

Has the OP divulged the results of his electrocardiogram or comprehensive metabolic panel?
We don't know, do we?

Oh and the ops diary is open - so you can see it is low in protein - one of the risk factors in the study.

Enough to cause a critically low albumin level?

5ftnFun

I am not going to weigh in on the healthy vs unhealthy aspect of the OP's quick weight loss, but I will say that the OP's method seems to be a very miserable way to lose weight. At least, for ME it would be. He's happy with it, so whatever.

Now, who wants to place a wager he regains it, some or all, within the next 1-5 years? The odds are clearly against him.

DavPul

Glad the OP responded. A few points about his response

However to the weight loss stazi:

Godwin's Law, much?

LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR I AM NOT STARVING MYSELF WHATEVER THESE PEOPLE THINK.

Do tell

I can manage to do this on 1400 calories because like it or not my 1400 calories is made up of the most nutritious food one can find. I eat zero crap or processed food. I believe my 1400 is probably 50% more beneficial that most of the stuff I see on members open diaries.

Miracles, much? Just because you get your nutrition from kale and quinoa instead of pizza and burgers does not have a 'Three loaves of bread and a fish' effect. 1400 calories is 1400 calories. It doesn't matter what it comes from. If you car gets 24 mpg and is you usually put in 89 octane gasoline, you do not drive 50 miles on one gallon of gas because you put in 92 octane this week.

I model what I eat on much reading of athletes nutrient intake. This includes many freshly prepared green vegetable juices per week.

WTF, much? You may think you are copying an athletes food plan, but there are no athletes outside of gymnasts with eating disorders that have 200-400 calorie net intakes. Eat all the freshly prepared juices you want, the body still needs enough fuel.

Yes I do also measure muscle mass and I am under no illusions that this regime will reduce this. But for now I will accept that. As of this morning only 11 lb of the loss of 96lb has been muscle mass.

Outlier, much? Theoretically possible, but highly dubious. Professional bodybuilders on steroids would lose a higher percentage of lean muscle than what you are claiming

How do you know what my future calorific intake requirement is going to be? Do you know what my body burns during waking and sleeping hours? Do you know what my future 1/2 marathon and marathon plans are? Do you know my current resting heart rate is less than 45? Do you know what my "actual BMR will be? NO! Yet you are sure I will need exactly 2600 calories when I reach my target.

Special snowflake, much? Obv no person or calculator can state what your exact BMR and TDEE will be, but we damn sure can estimate a healthy range. Go find 10 TDEE calculators using different methods and tell me they don't average right around 2600 for yourself.

My choice of method is down to certain race targets I have set myself and the need to take pressure off a arthritic knee. This morning I completed my second 5K. I have clocked up 13 mile of running this week. 3 months ago I was obese, my arthritic knee was playing up and I could hardly move. If I had chosen to follow your MANTRA I would probably be around 270 -280 lb now. I would have probably given up as most who come on here do. The rapid progress spurred me on and on.

Circular reasoning, much? What do your future running plans have to do with anything? I'm lost on that. Also not sure how race dates you voluntarily signed for have any bearing on how fast you need to lose weight. Bad knee? Have a target race weight? Okay, plan a race for a date further into the future. I mean, if I plan a vacation in Fuji for next week, should I rob a bank because I didn't give myself enough time to save for it?

DavPul

Has the OP divulged the results of his electrocardiogram or comprehensive metabolic panel?
We don't know, do we?

Oh and the ops diary is open - so you can see it is low in protein - one of the risk factors in the study.

Enough to cause a critically low albumin level?

I'll just ask you point blank. Do you think netting 200-400 calories a day is a healthy way to live?

staceywhimsy

I was unable to view your pics, but I am very impressed with your progress! You give me hope that I can lose 20 lb. 10 weeks. You are a great motivator! Congratulations and keep up the good work.

lloydrt

OP,thank you for replying to your original post......and I thought you probably consulted with your DR to help you on this goal

I am supportive that youve chosen to relate your experience with us ,and I will save it for help with my own weight loss........I am so so prooud of you for being taken off blood pressure medicine.............

its too bad the haters didnt read what you replied with yesterday..........its incredible how many 20 year old Drs come on this site to chit chat about thier struggles of weight loss, I totally ignore them

I have accomplishments that helped save my life, and did this thru rapid weight loss......no regrets here, just EXCELLENT, DAILY HEALTH........

I worked out 75 mins max at cardio this am, had my heart rate up to 95%..........could have never done that 2 years ago..........

take care, and best wishes ,you look great.............

lasulit

Wow, You are the man!!!!

Mustang_Susie

Has the OP divulged the results of his electrocardiogram or comprehensive metabolic panel?
We don't know, do we?

Oh and the ops diary is open - so you can see it is low in protein - one of the risk factors in the study.

Enough to cause a critically low albumin level?

I'll just ask you point blank. Do you think netting 200-400 calories a day is a healthy way to live?

To live (meaning a long-term life style), no.
As a short-term weight loss plan under the direct supervision of a physician with the net being at least 800, perhaps.
The risks of such a plan need to be carefully discussed and weighed with the person, their physician and dietician.
Were his co-morbidities putting him at a higher risk for death than this diet plan?
I don't know.
My points:
1.) none of us know for sure
2.) assertions need to be qualified and supported
3.) more empirical evidence is needed

Rockstar_JILL

Amazing transformation!! Congrats!

LiftAllThePizzas

Do you know how much of that 90 lbs used to be muscle?

Proyecto_AN

Congrats. You did it your way. Fck the haters.

hedgiie

well done

Heather_Rider

That is A LOT of weight to lose in a short amount of time. What are your plans for maintenance? You're eventually going to need to be eating around 2600 calories a day or more to maintain your weight and fuel your exercise.

Congrats on the weight loss.. but i agree and its possible you may even gain your weight back because your body isnt used to eating! If you are netting ZERO, and you start to actually eat again.. your body is going to start storing all of your food as fat.. and then what? Welp, you guessed it... your going to gain weight again.

Please see a doctor, or at least a dietition. You are going to need some serious help in the near future..

But you DO look amazing! I just wish you had taken a healthier route. Good luck!

devil_in_a_blue_dress

Please come back in 6 months and let us know how you are doing, ok?

myofibril

Meh.

This is the way numerous fitness competitors prepare for shows. I'm not sure all the hysteria is justified.

He's netting 200 or whatever not grossing that amount. Unless he has a malabsorption problem or he has been purposefully throwing up, his food intake will be making its way to his GI tract and the nutrients being absorbed. If his diet is good then his macro and micro bases are probably being covered.

Admittedly, energy availability may be a problem if he chooses to do this long term which would not be advisable and medical supervision certainly seems wise. However, he can counter metabolic down regulation by having a periodic diet break / refeeds / free days etc and also reverse dieting when he achieves goal.

Finally I don't think this situation is analogous to the Minnesota semi starvation study (in the event that it has been bought up) as he is not being forced to do exercise throughout the day and has free choice over his food intake.

So, OP well done. Not an approach for the masses I think but if you can manage it and your health is being monitored and is fine then good luck!

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