Man to Man: A Support System for Men (part 2)

CasperO

Back off sister, this is the He-man woman hater's club. No estrogen allowed. :happy:

Ok, you can peek I guess. We're gonna look like Chippendale's dancers pretty soon, so I don't blame you

<<JK of course CR>>

CreativeRedhead

Haha yep I'm guilty as charged........I love peeking in from time to time!

Umpire57

In here CR you can peek, just not speak :P

When that came to my mind, I had to say it.

ccgisme

Wow, don't hate on our only cheerleader!

Oh, and in case you've missed it, check out our buddy Umpire57's (aka Teroknor) other post: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/103048-people-like-comparative-picture-topics-therefore

He's a rockstar! :bigsmile:

Umpire57

Duplicate post- Sorry

Umpire57

Thanks gale. But I think CR can handle herself. I am not worried.

onwisconsn

bump for recipe

Umpire57

Don't worry onwisconsn, This post normally don't need too many "bumps". It can usually stay on top on it's own.

CasperO

Yes, but by bumping our dairy farming friend gets the thread on his "My Topics" list, which makes it easy for him to find later.

What recipe?


Ooo ya, update. No progress-no loss. Teaching moto school for a couple weekends, which is a lot of work and is rewarded with epic chow making it a break even deal except for the gains in stamina and heat tolerance. Weight this AM 203 lbs, which is no change. Need to measure the waist again.

Almost done remodeling nursery, and no moto classes in month of July. I'll have more time for biking soon and maybe make some headway. Or not, W/E, it's all good.

whyflysouth

Update - haven't weighed myself, but I'm pretty sore. I started this guy's lifting routine in attempt to get big muscles:

http://www.skiplacour.com/max_ot_routine_home.htm

Lifting my heaviest these days, never really lifted really heavy in my life so its a first for me.

Umpire57

Been looking for a good strength routine. How do you determine how much weight to use on this routine? I see the reps required but not what is the weight range to attempt,

I have a tournament this weekend so while I will be skipping my Saturday gym workout, I by no means will not be exercising.

Umpiring 10-15 Fastpitch softball games should be workout enough for me

CasperO

Mass building weights routines are 'until failure'. So if the routine says 2 sets of 6 - well,,, Basically, if you can do 8 without massive cheating, add 5 pounds. Each set should end with you straining at maximum effort and physically unable to do another rep. They don't call it 'house of pain' 'cause they play bad 90's music ya' know. :laugh:

whyflysouth

Exactly! The weight will differ depending on your strength and you keeping going up if it gets easy enough to do more than 6 reps so initially if you're not sure how much weight to do you spend a week or so experimenting with weights, if you can't at least do 4 reps, the weight is too high.

It's interesting, while you're lifting it's pretty tough, but since you don't go too high you don't really get that muscle exhaustion feeling at the end of the workout so you feel like you didn't do enough... but the next day you're so I guess it works. Also be sure you're not a member of that "no grunting" gym, b/c you will definitely grunt. I was grunting doing squats and leg press, not intentionally, it just happens.

My concern is I might need to buy one of those belts for the waist to ensure I don't hurt my back. You think that'd be a good idea?

CasperO

I've never used them. When you exercise you're working your whole body, including your core. Wearing a support belt just gives your abs and lower back a break that they don't need and probably shouldn't have. Do you really want to have the quads to squat 400 but abs that can only handle 350?

Umpire57

Ok, Now for the "poor me" post but if I want answers I have to ask.

Right now I am pretty much doing strictly 1 hour of elliptical in the morning for "exercise"

It is easily log-able and that is the time I have allotted. I have tried to get up a bit earlier this week and add a stretch routine and 3 sets on the ab weight machine beforehand.

Most days,I get off work at 5 and have to be at the park to officiate at 6 or 6:30 and officiate till 9-10 (Between 5-6 is when I eat and get ready)

I do have Wednesday nights off and occasionally other nights but in-season not many M,T, Th or Fri do I not have games.

How would you change up your routine to include weight training without giving up on the cardio training?

Also, I need to incorporate weight training that does not require a spotter as I go alone therefore squats are out.

I usually try to get to the gym by 6 and leave by 7:35 showered and ready for work. With the streach training I have been trying to get there about 5:40 or so.

With going to bed in the 11 range (I need time to wind down after officiating) I really don't want to get up any earlier than I am now - 5:15-5:30.

CasperO

You can knock out some semblence the 300 workout in about 15 to 20 minutes, and it pounds the snot outta you and will make you a beast. 3 mornings a week is plenty, and 2 would do it pretty well.

Google it.

Umpire57

That is just about perfect for what I was looking for. The odds of me actually completing it are like zero right now but once I get time to fully Google the techniques and what not I am going to give it a try.

Only thing is, I am not sure I can currently do one pull up

Casper - Once again, You are the Man!

CasperO

The Men's Health article has substitutions for those of us who aren't quite there yet. Also has great little in-browser video clips of how to do the moves. Good stuff,,,


Here ya' go: http://www.menshealth.com/men/fitness/workout-plans/muscle-building/article/5e1790ecab7e1110vgnvcm20000012281eac

stickybumpz

Hey Guys. New around here but looking for some support and challenges. Looking forward to getting healthier with you all.

summersmi

To all the weight training guys I con't help but remind you that while amount of weight lifted has some bearing, your form is the most importent thing. Lift slowly and with purpose and you will get the best results. Also from past experience you will have fewer injuries. I had a friend who used to brag about lifting 60 lbs in his curls and doing 5 sets, sounded great until I watched him, He was swinging all over the place and only getting about a tenth of the workout he should have.
Casper I have never seen this 300 workout, I'll have to check it out thanks.

darman

sorry all - been out for too long - stuff just gets in the way - as for our challenge for July - I am at 172 - 2 pounds to go - I did make the 20 mile a week - whoo hoo!! training has increased to 60-90 min per workout - 5 days a week

btw - this is sooooooo cool - had someone ask me how old i was the other day - told them 47 and they were like " get-out" i though you were in your 30's ......................

darman

Hey Guys. New around here but looking for some support and challenges. Looking forward to getting healthier with you all.

Hey sticky - welcome to the group - i am always up for a challenge - what did you have in mind?

darman

To all the weight training guys I con't help but remind you that while amount of weight lifted has some bearing, your form is the most importent thing. Lift slowly and with purpose and you will get the best results. Also from past experience you will have fewer injuries. I had a friend who used to brag about lifting 60 lbs in his curls and doing 5 sets, sounded great until I watched him, He was swinging all over the place and only getting about a tenth of the workout he should have.
Casper I have never seen this 300 workout, I'll have to check it out thanks.

Amen to this man - its is all about the form and the endurance not the amount of weight!! I couldn't agree with you more - I take a group power class at my gym twice a week and its all about slow steady endurance and proper form not amount of weight - we had a guy come in the other night that was huge - seen him work the free weights all the time - 15 minutes into the class he was dropping weight off his bar and huffin and puffin............

darman

Ok, Now for the "poor me" post but if I want answers I have to ask.

Right now I am pretty much doing strictly 1 hour of elliptical in the morning for "exercise"

It is easily log-able and that is the time I have allotted. I have tried to get up a bit earlier this week and add a stretch routine and 3 sets on the ab weight machine beforehand.

Most days,I get off work at 5 and have to be at the park to officiate at 6 or 6:30 and officiate till 9-10 (Between 5-6 is when I eat and get ready)

I do have Wednesday nights off and occasionally other nights but in-season not many M,T, Th or Fri do I not have games.

How would you change up your routine to include weight training without giving up on the cardio training?

Also, I need to incorporate weight training that does not require a spotter as I go alone therefore squats are out.

I usually try to get to the gym by 6 and leave by 7:35 showered and ready for work. With the streach training I have been trying to get there about 5:40 or so.

With going to bed in the 11 range (I need time to wind down after officiating) I really don't want to get up any earlier than I am now - 5:15-5:30.

try some circuit training - also men's health has some great routines for cardio-weight training

Umpire57

OK Guys, I am now convinced that CasperO wants me dead!

I cut my cardio workout short today in order to see where I was in relation to be able to even complete the 300 workout much less start timing it. I was embarrassed by my results but now I am convinced that I will complete this as designed.

Today, as weak as they are, here are my results (I used the weights recommended):

Chin Ups - 3 (Embarrassing I know) - They want 25
Deadlifts - 20 - They Want 50
Pushups - 25 - They Want 50
Box Jumps - 20 - They Want 50
Floor Wipers - 20 - They Want 50
Clean and Press - 20 each arm = 40 - They Want 25 each arm for 50 total
Chinups - 1 -They Want 25
Time - 20 Minutes

Next time I am going to try the modified MensHealth version and build up to the real thing eventually. I just wanted to see where I was the first time.

Thanks CasperO, I know you want me dead but I am determined enough to not let this beat me and I have been looking for a new goal and you have given it to me on a platter.

CasperO

You asked pal,,,

I envy you. I'm not a member of a gym and just a whole lotta stuff in my life don't really allow me time to do stuff like this. I get out on the bicycle pretty regularly, swim in the river when I can. But a formal - scheduled workout time ain't happening for me right now.

Umpire57

Time was the big factor for me as well, so this one is designed to be quick therefore perfect for my needs.

In all seriousness, Thanks!

I have been wanting a true tangible goal for myself ever since I broke the 100 pound mark but was struggling to find one.

I don't know how long it will take but I want to be able to complete this whatever the time frame may be. And then I want to beat the 18 minute mark listed in the articles.

I always told my kids, It is better to set your goals too high and just miss them instead of setting them too low and blow them away.

ccgisme

I like the idea of the 300, but would definitely have to do the modified version - thanks for he link, CasperO.

Umpire, if your gym has a supported pull up/dip machine, hammer out supersets of those and you will feel the burn and be able to maintain good form. I am thinking of renewing my gym membership just for that machine! :bigsmile:

dinos

I'm ahead of you guys by a few hours, so I'm posting my progress for the 4th of July challenge first:

SW May 21, 255.0 Goal Weight : 245
May 28 - 253.5
June 4 - 251.5
June 11 - 252
June 18 - 249.8
June 25 - 248.7

My revised walk/bike/hike target is 200 miles and I've covered 162 so far.
I have a good chance to reach the distance, but will probably miss my weight loss goal by a few pounds.
The final outcome depends on this weekend. I'll be travelling to the north of the country for a family reunion and lots of food and alcohol are in order. We're considering a hike to the summit of Mt. Vermion (6,750 ft) on Saturday, though I'm not sure whether this is really going to happen or it's just talk. We'll see.

ccgisme

Check in time!

Height 5'10"
SW May 21, 255.4
May 28 - 253.8.
June 4 - 251.0
June 11 - ???
June 18 - 251.2
June 25 - 249.8

Goal: 245

Dinos, looks like you are about a week ahead of me in terms of weight loss! :bigsmile:

I'm going to get close to my weight goal, but I don't expect to hit it. C25K is another story. I seem to have hit a wall with the long intervals in weeks 7 and 8. I don't know if it is physical or mental. I may go back a week or two and repeat for a while or I may switch to the 8K program which is a little faster, but has shorter intervals with recovery periods. I don't want to stop running, but C25K has become a source of frustration.

Looking back over my data, my weight loss has slowed in conjunction with my running. I'm not saying that running is keeping me from losing weight - my eating hasn't been the greatest for a long time - but there's a correlation, so I am also considering taking a cue from Dinos' cycling by focusing on mileage and time instead of sheer intensity. I'll let you know.

Cheers,
Chris