Sick and Tired of feeling Hungry

RavenWolf1977

I have been at this since 1 January of this year, and I've yet to feel hungry.

1. I drink 16 ounces of water before every meal.
2. I have some protein at every meal.

Those two things have kept me from being hungry at any point in my weight loss journey. I also do not deprive myself of anything. I have whatever I want and just portion accordingly. In order to not go over calories, I may only have half or a quarter of a serving. Make sure you do not deprive yourself so you do not have "craving hunger." (Of course, if you have trigger foods that will lead you to binge eating, you will need to avoid them unless you are sure you can control it.)

MFP has my calorie goal set at 1200, so I'm at the lower end. Of course I will eat more than that due to exercise, but I try to eat back only 1/3 to 1/2 of my calorie expenditure, since you can never be certain that it is accurate.

You should not have to be hungry. Hugs and hope this helps!

heatherloveslifting

All of the above (water, fiber, protein, real food instead of food-like substances) help me stay fuller. However, if you have been on low calories several months it might help to listen to your body and eat at TDEE for a week or two. I don't know why, but for me this seems to solve the problem and I can go back to the deficit without feeling so ravenous all the time. I would say if you are in the first 2-3 weeks and have calculated a reasonable deficit (not 1200 cals/day), then just push through- it will get easier! And whatever you do don't give up! it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Good luck!

SkinnyBubbaGaar

A pound of sugar has the same amount of calories as a pound of celery? Now I have seen everything! :noway:

Wait a moment, nobody said anything about a pound of sugar equaling the same calories as a pound of celery. Of course, that would be different.

What has been said, however, is that a calorie is simply a unit of measurement.


1 calorie = 1 calorie

just the same as...

1 inch = 1 inch

and

1 pound = 1 pound

and

1 kilowatt = 1 kilowatt


1 ohm = 1 ohm


1 knot = 1 knot


1 decibel = 1 decibel


1 hp = 1 hp



Does not matter what item/distance/etc you are measuring if the UNIT of MEASUREMENT and the VALUE MEASURED are the same then the ENERGY MEASURED/WEIGHT/DISTANCE/ETC. are identical.

Basic math.


Doesn't matter if you travel 50 miles by top fuel dragster or by rickshaw in the end you have traveled 50 miles.

Doesn't matter if you power your house by 50,000 kw of solar power or if you get your electricity by burning coal. You still are still using 50,000 kw of power

Doesn't matter if you weigh out 500 pounds of bricks versus 500 pounds of feathers. You still have 500 pounds.

Doesn't matter if you eat 400 calories of apples or 400 calories of twinkies. You have still eaten 400 calories.


By changing the basic math on each of the above examples you have not changed that fact the outcome of the equation will remain consistant.

What has changed, however is the following:

Dragster vs rickshaw: 500 miles have been traveled by both vehicles, however the dragster got you there FASTER.

50,000 KW of solar power versus coal: Same energy burned by both, but solar is renewable.

500 pounds of bricks versus feathers: Same total weight, but you'll have a whole hell of a lot more feathers due to the weight density difference between the two items.

400 calories of aplles versus twinkies: You will still have a total of 400 calories to either burn up as energy or store as fat, but your body will have greater NUTRITIONAL benefit from the apples cause they are not full of junk and preservatives like the Twinkie with it's 10,000+ year shelf life.



OK, that's enough science for today.


Have a great Sunday y'all.

neandermagnon

Fructose happens to be more addictive than cocaine!

If you do your own research and read some books

This is what seems to be getting people into trouble and thinking they are somehow experts(not directed at you). A little knowledge can be dangerous as shown by the "clean vs. dirty food" debate

Problem is people misinterpret things, or state them incorrectly. The truth of the matter sugar does effect a part of the brain that releases serotonin. Cocaine does a very similar thing, guess what?... so does sex,or anything that makes us happy and feel good.

yeah, cocaine is more addictive then fructose. The issue isn't even fructose, it's calories. Just eating in general make people feel good and releases those types of hormones.

^^^^ this

and anyone who thinks that fructose is dangerous to human health, bear in mind that we're primates and most species of primates eat fruit (which is full of fructose). are you going to call the zoo and tell them they should stop feeding fruit to all the other species of primate?

cwolfman13

If they are over weight they are not eating healthy. I know vegans who eat an entire package of Oreos. That is NOT healthy. I am really not going to play your game. You know I am right. You WILL NOT get fat eating only HEALTHY unadulterated fruits and veggies. Yes there are apples in apple pies. But THEY are not healthy. Seriously? No wonder there are so many overweight people in the world if the really believe that calories from chips and calories from apples are the same. If you watch thin people. Not naturally thn but people who just eat what a healthy amount of food is you will see they eat more fruits and veggies than meat. That they do not eat junk, even vegan junk.

My brother-in-law is hard corp paleo and he's obese. He doesn't eat any processed "junk food"...only nutrient dense whole foods and he's still obese.

While I generally concur that people should be eating more nutrient dense whole foods, and more fruit and veg, telling someone they can over eat those kinds of foods and not get fat is just plain wrong.

Mrsfreedom41

Open your diary so we can make comments on your daily intakes. Without seeing what you are eating, it is hard to give good advice.

cityjaneLondon

This is so wrong and I know I will get shot down, but when I am starving and trembly and far away from healthy food I eat a couple of Trebor Extra Strong Mints. 20 calories each. I keep them in my handbag. It just keeps me going, with a drink of water until my next healthy meal. I eat 1700 calories a day which includes my 400 exercise calories. Don't eat too few calories. - that way lies disaster and pigging out.
I have lost 43 lbs so must be doing something right.

mmyers1129

Eat more protein veggies and oats will keep you full for much longer

jbonow1231

You mean need to look into more "volumetric" food, IE - food that makes you "feel" fuller, without being full of calories. As some very calorie laden foods can provide little to no lasting power (think about Chinese food, where you can totally stuff yourself and still be hungry 30 minutes later).

Also, not to get into the "clean" / "dirty" debate but - if you eat a lot of sugar or salt you will continue to crave it and expect things to taste like that. Broccoli = / = Snickers. You need to retrain your food expectations.

chrislynn_marie

More protein
More fruits and veggies -- fiber makes you feel fuller
More water.

rosiesmama

You could eat a large number of calories of apples and if you eat the same amount of calories in chips the chips will put on more weight. People generally do not get fat on a healthy diet no matter how many apples you eat. If you are going to go over your calories go over with fruits and veggies. There are few exceptions to the rule.

MIchelle

I agree AND disagree. A calorie is a calorie. But, 1200 calories from potato chips is not nourishing. Your body will still feel hungry (and likely ill) after eating the 1200 cal of chips. Hence, the overeating, cravings, etc. The same could probably be said of a 1200 cal diet consisting only of apples. You need a balanced diet. Which is why fad diets don't work, in the long run. Lots of great tips on here: fiber and protein fill you up and take longer to digest, so you feel satisfied longer.

That said, I also feel that so-called 'bad foods,' in moderation, can also help you feel satisfied. My accupuncturist 'prescribed' a small amount of chocolate every afternoon as a part of a diet. It's not that there's some ancient Chinese secret in chocolate. The idea is to not deny yourself treats. Chocolate isn't my big thing, so it's usually easy for me to save my treat calories for something I enjoy more. Like a cocktail!

jbonow1231

Also - have you done any lab work to check for vitamin deficiency?

Could your hungry be your bodies way of trying to make up for nutrients it lacks? (I know I was a lot hungrier before I started to take supplements to clear up my Vitamin D lack.)

michelle7673

I don't personally eat "six small meals a day" as many people seem to do/suggest. I find that it (a) has me thinking about food all day and (b) leaves me unsatisfied. I usually eat twice a day during the week, lunch and dinner, and frequently lunch is something moderately sized (a sweet potato or yogurt and nuts), so I eat a bigger dinner. It is what works for me, because at the end of each day I have a substantial meal, not something lighter because I've run out of calories. But my dinner is usually a good amount of lean protein, brown rice/sweet potato, vegetables, with room for lf frozen yogurt or fruit or peanut butter after.

pmteet

igest, so you feel satisfied longer.

That said, I also feel that so-called 'bad foods,' in moderation, can also help you feel satisfied. My acupuncturist 'prescribed' a small amount of chocolate every afternoon as a part of a diet. It's not that there's some ancient Chinese secret in chocolate. The idea is to not deny yourself treats. Chocolate isn't my big thing, so it's usually easy for me to save my treat calories for something I enjoy more. Like a cocktail!

I agree! I never deprive myself. But I eat unhealthy foods in moderation. I am lucky though I do not like sweets including chocolate so I know that makes it easier. I do like Chips but the only kind I will really eat just to eat is pringles so I just don't get them unless I am sick. An small square of Dark Chocolate is good for you. It does help with circulation. My 16 year old has vascular issues that have resulted in strokes among other things. Several doctors of told us to try and get her to eat a small amount that there is some research that says it helps. And with her even a small improvement is HUGE! I could go for a cocktail!

Lyadeia

Again everyone seems to be kidding themselves.

Only YOU m'dear. Only you.

Talking to "clean eaters" is like talking to a brick wall. They think they're always right even when they disagree with the laws of thermodynamics.

Self-righteous food police types irritate the hell out of me, so I am leaving this thread.

OP, you have great advice in here. I hope you don't fall into the trap of "I must eat nothing but veggies or I'll gain weight." I hate to see people eat a cookie and then cry about the 50 calories they just ate because they were "bad." That is so silly.

Lyadeia

If they are over weight they are not eating healthy. I know vegans who eat an entire package of Oreos. That is NOT healthy. I am really not going to play your game. You know I am right. You WILL NOT get fat eating only HEALTHY unadulterated fruits and veggies. Yes there are apples in apple pies. But THEY are not healthy. Seriously? No wonder there are so many overweight people in the world if the really believe that calories from chips and calories from apples are the same. If you watch thin people. Not naturally thn but people who just eat what a healthy amount of food is you will see they eat more fruits and veggies than meat. That they do not eat junk, even vegan junk.

My brother-in-law is hard corp paleo and he's obese. He doesn't eat any processed "junk food"...only nutrient dense whole foods and he's still obese.

While I generally concur that people should be eating more nutrient dense whole foods, and more fruit and veg, telling someone they can over eat those kinds of foods and not get fat is just plain wrong.

Completely agree.

(((waves bye to thread now...mean it))) :flowerforyou:

pmteet

Again everyone seems to be kidding themselves.

Only YOU m'dear. Only you.

Talking to "clean eaters" is like talking to a brick wall. They think they're always right even when they disagree with the laws of thermodynamics.

Self-righteous food police types irritate the hell out of me, so I am leaving this thread.

OP, you have great advice in here. I hope you don't fall into the trap of "I must eat nothing but veggies or I'll gain weight." I hate to see people eat a cookie and then cry about the 50 calories they just ate because they were "bad." That is so silly.

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I am NOT a clean eater FAR from it. But I know simple facts. Unless you have a medical disorder you will not be fat eating healthy foods. Sure some vegetarians eat crap. I know a couple people who are vegan and can't figure out why they are over weight....well. that bag of oreo's you eat a day MAY be a problem.

Just eat right and get healthy.

pmteet

For the 10th time, I ate a lot of junk food and lost 192lbs. I ate many oreo's, nutty butters, burritos, taco bell, ben and jerries, double cheese burgers all through my weight loss

Belowis a list of "healthy" food

Try this healthy diet for a month and tell us how it goes.

breakfast: 2 eggs with 3 table spoons olive oil 500 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
lunch: diced avocado with 2 tables of olive oil and seasoning 490 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
dinner/desert: 10 tbs of natural peanut butter 950 calories

Honestly, what do you think will happen??? Oh btw the total amount of calories is ~ 3000 calories.

And if you keep eating that unhealthy stuff you will not keep the weight off. Your body needs healthy foods. You are right though the fact that I was thin most of my life because of healthy eating habits means I know nothing. I have seen this same argument since I was a child and saw my mother say the same things. She lost it all but then gained it all back. Continued this behavior through 3 heart attacks and is now almost 70 and is still over weight. She never learned to eat fruits and vegetables because she lost weight while eating Oreos My other family members have done the same thing. Lose and gain. They say look I can eat what I want. Sure you can loose weight and still have a cheese burger here and there but it can not be a staple. Healthy foods are a MUST. Your body needs these nutrients. and it is sad that in this day and age Fruits and veggies are not as respected as Oreo's.

I am gone from this conversation because obviously people want to eat the oreo's and feel they can still loose and maintain weight loss. Like I said I have seen it throughout my life. Same argument for 40 years and it has not worked long term in all that time.

SanteMulberry

For the 10th time, I ate a lot of junk food and lost 192lbs. I ate many oreo's, nutty butters, burritos, taco bell, ben and jerries, double cheese burgers all through my weight loss

Belowis a list of "healthy" food

Try this healthy diet for a month and tell us how it goes.

breakfast: 2 eggs with 3 table spoons olive oil 500 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
lunch: diced avocado with 2 tables of olive oil and seasoning 490 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
dinner/desert: 10 tbs of natural peanut butter 950 calories

Honestly, what do you think will happen??? Oh btw the total amount of calories is ~ 3000 calories.

And if you keep eating that unhealthy stuff you will not keep the weight off. Your body needs healthy foods. You are right though the fact that I was thin most of my life because of healthy eating habits means I know nothing. I have seen this same argument since I was a child and saw my mother say the same things. She lost it all but then gained it all back. Continued this behavior through 3 heart attacks and is now almost 70 and is still over weight. She never learned to eat fruits and vegetables because she lost weight while eating Oreos My other family members have done the same thing. Lose and gain. They say look I can eat what I want. Sure you can loose weight and still have a cheese burger here and there but it can not be a staple. Healthy foods are a MUST. Your body needs these nutrients. and it is sad that in this day and age Fruits and veggies are not as respected as Oreo's.

I am gone from this conversation because obviously people want to eat the oreo's and feel they can still loose and maintain weight loss. Like I said I have seen it throughout my life. Same argument for 40 years and it has not worked long term in all that time.

Long term weight loss is about habits, not food choices. There are many many people who eat junk 24/7 and are at a healthy weight. I think you're misunderstanding, no one is saying eat junk food 24/7. Why did your mother gain it back? Because she ate "junk food" she lost the weight doing it. She gained it back because she didn't learn the proper habits to keep it off. Had nothing to do with the food.

But you are a man and have an automatic weight loss advantage over a woman. Women have 2 to 3 times the level of circulating leptin at the SAME BODY FAT LEVEL as a man. What that means is that just about every obese woman has leptin resistance. For many, many obese women, restricting carbohydrates is the only way to get (and keep) blood sugar under control (which is the real villain that stalks a woman's weight loss efforts). Because we have estrogen, not only do we run higher blood sugar levels but we also have 5 to 6 times the amount of thyroid dysfunction (because estrogen blocks the uptake of iodine). And since none of us go around munching iodine-rich dulse and kelp every day, a great many obese women have thyroid disease which is exacerbated by high-carb diets. Men can just cut back their eating. Women must pay attention to not only calories but the KIND of calories they are eating. Also, because men are larger in body mass, they can always out-eat a woman and not gain body fat.

SanteMulberry

For the 10th time, I ate a lot of junk food and lost 192lbs. I ate many oreo's, nutty butters, burritos, taco bell, ben and jerries, double cheese burgers all through my weight loss

Belowis a list of "healthy" food

Try this healthy diet for a month and tell us how it goes.

breakfast: 2 eggs with 3 table spoons olive oil 500 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
lunch: diced avocado with 2 tables of olive oil and seasoning 490 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
dinner/desert: 10 tbs of natural peanut butter 950 calories

Honestly, what do you think will happen??? Oh btw the total amount of calories is ~ 3000 calories.

And if you keep eating that unhealthy stuff you will not keep the weight off. Your body needs healthy foods. You are right though the fact that I was thin most of my life because of healthy eating habits means I know nothing. I have seen this same argument since I was a child and saw my mother say the same things. She lost it all but then gained it all back. Continued this behavior through 3 heart attacks and is now almost 70 and is still over weight. She never learned to eat fruits and vegetables because she lost weight while eating Oreos My other family members have done the same thing. Lose and gain. They say look I can eat what I want. Sure you can loose weight and still have a cheese burger here and there but it can not be a staple. Healthy foods are a MUST. Your body needs these nutrients. and it is sad that in this day and age Fruits and veggies are not as respected as Oreo's.

I am gone from this conversation because obviously people want to eat the oreo's and feel they can still loose and maintain weight loss. Like I said I have seen it throughout my life. Same argument for 40 years and it has not worked long term in all that time.

You know what? You are right. People who think that they can ignore nutrition and eat junk food, as long as it is under on their calories are kidding themselves. Their body's will keep track of the missing nutrients even if they don't. Women MUST pay attention to eating very well, as they are on a much tighter calorie-restriction than men. On 1,380 calories I simply cannot afford to waste any calories on junk food. I have yo-yo dieted for many years (more than I care to remember). You name the diet and I have probably been on it. The only thing that works is getting a reasonable, nutritious, carbohydrate-restricted diet and being prepared to stay on it the rest of my life. I am doing it right this time. I only lose about 1/2 pound a week but I am feeling great and I know that I am giving my body what it needs so that I don't just end up regaining.

SanteMulberry

For the 10th time, I ate a lot of junk food and lost 192lbs. I ate many oreo's, nutty butters, burritos, taco bell, ben and jerries, double cheese burgers all through my weight loss

Belowis a list of "healthy" food

Try this healthy diet for a month and tell us how it goes.

breakfast: 2 eggs with 3 table spoons olive oil 500 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
lunch: diced avocado with 2 tables of olive oil and seasoning 490 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
dinner/desert: 10 tbs of natural peanut butter 950 calories

Honestly, what do you think will happen??? Oh btw the total amount of calories is ~ 3000 calories.

And if you keep eating that unhealthy stuff you will not keep the weight off. Your body needs healthy foods. You are right though the fact that I was thin most of my life because of healthy eating habits means I know nothing. I have seen this same argument since I was a child and saw my mother say the same things. She lost it all but then gained it all back. Continued this behavior through 3 heart attacks and is now almost 70 and is still over weight. She never learned to eat fruits and vegetables because she lost weight while eating Oreos My other family members have done the same thing. Lose and gain. They say look I can eat what I want. Sure you can loose weight and still have a cheese burger here and there but it can not be a staple. Healthy foods are a MUST. Your body needs these nutrients. and it is sad that in this day and age Fruits and veggies are not as respected as Oreo's.

I am gone from this conversation because obviously people want to eat the oreo's and feel they can still loose and maintain weight loss. Like I said I have seen it throughout my life. Same argument for 40 years and it has not worked long term in all that time.

Long term weight loss is about habits, not food choices. There are many many people who eat junk 24/7 and are at a healthy weight. I think you're misunderstanding, no one is saying eat junk food 24/7. Why did your mother gain it back? Because she ate "junk food" she lost the weight doing it. She gained it back because she didn't learn the proper habits to keep it off. Had nothing to do with the food.

But you are a man and have an automatic weight loss advantage over a woman. Women have 2 to 3 times the level of circulating leptin at the SAME BODY FAT LEVEL as a man. What that means is that just about every obese woman has leptin resistance. For many, many obese women, restricting carbohydrates is the only way to get (and keep) blood sugar under control (which is the real villain that stalks a woman's weight loss efforts). Because we have estrogen, not only do we run higher blood sugar levels but we also have 5 to 6 times the amount of thyroid dysfunction (because estrogen blocks the uptake of iodine). And since none of us go around munching iodine-rich dulse and kelp every day, a great many obese women have thyroid disease which is exacerbated by high-carb diets. Men can just cut back their eating. Women must pay attention to not only calories but the KIND of calories they are eating. Also, because men are larger in body mass, they can always out-eat a woman and not gain body fat.

No, calories are calories, all what you said might "lower" your TDEE, but your TDEE is still your TDEE. Eat under your TDEE and you will lose weight. You shouldn't buy in to that insulin theory so much. Insulin is control by calories, leptin is controled by calories as well. It's all about calories, always has been, always will be.

I was well on my way to Type II diabetes when I hit the carbohydrate brakes and put things to rights. Yes--total calories are important BUT, if at the end, your nutritional status is poor, you will regain the weight. I followed calorie-restricted diets for years--I'm NOT a newbie. But when I paid attention to only the calories and not the TYPE of calories, I felt (and looked) like junk when I was done. And the weight inevitably came back. I have SLOWLY lost my weight over the last three years and I have NOT ONCE gained an ounce back. The reason why is that I eat VERY WELL. I pay as much attention to WHAT I am eating as I am to how much I am eating and it is paying the dividends that I need. I could eat 1,380 calories in doughnuts every day, and I would likely lose weight, but I would feel like crap and NEVER be able to keep it off.

P.S. You should read up on leptin. Did you read what I wrote?

SanteMulberry

For the 10th time, I ate a lot of junk food and lost 192lbs. I ate many oreo's, nutty butters, burritos, taco bell, ben and jerries, double cheese burgers all through my weight loss

Belowis a list of "healthy" food

Try this healthy diet for a month and tell us how it goes.

breakfast: 2 eggs with 3 table spoons olive oil 500 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
lunch: diced avocado with 2 tables of olive oil and seasoning 490 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
dinner/desert: 10 tbs of natural peanut butter 950 calories

Honestly, what do you think will happen??? Oh btw the total amount of calories is ~ 3000 calories.

And if you keep eating that unhealthy stuff you will not keep the weight off. Your body needs healthy foods. You are right though the fact that I was thin most of my life because of healthy eating habits means I know nothing. I have seen this same argument since I was a child and saw my mother say the same things. She lost it all but then gained it all back. Continued this behavior through 3 heart attacks and is now almost 70 and is still over weight. She never learned to eat fruits and vegetables because she lost weight while eating Oreos My other family members have done the same thing. Lose and gain. They say look I can eat what I want. Sure you can loose weight and still have a cheese burger here and there but it can not be a staple. Healthy foods are a MUST. Your body needs these nutrients. and it is sad that in this day and age Fruits and veggies are not as respected as Oreo's.

I am gone from this conversation because obviously people want to eat the oreo's and feel they can still loose and maintain weight loss. Like I said I have seen it throughout my life. Same argument for 40 years and it has not worked long term in all that time.

Long term weight loss is about habits, not food choices. There are many many people who eat junk 24/7 and are at a healthy weight. I think you're misunderstanding, no one is saying eat junk food 24/7. Why did your mother gain it back? Because she ate "junk food" she lost the weight doing it. She gained it back because she didn't learn the proper habits to keep it off. Had nothing to do with the food.

But you are a man and have an automatic weight loss advantage over a woman. Women have 2 to 3 times the level of circulating leptin at the SAME BODY FAT LEVEL as a man. What that means is that just about every obese woman has leptin resistance. For many, many obese women, restricting carbohydrates is the only way to get (and keep) blood sugar under control (which is the real villain that stalks a woman's weight loss efforts). Because we have estrogen, not only do we run higher blood sugar levels but we also have 5 to 6 times the amount of thyroid dysfunction (because estrogen blocks the uptake of iodine). And since none of us go around munching iodine-rich dulse and kelp every day, a great many obese women have thyroid disease which is exacerbated by high-carb diets. Men can just cut back their eating. Women must pay attention to not only calories but the KIND of calories they are eating. Also, because men are larger in body mass, they can always out-eat a woman and not gain body fat.

No, calories are calories, all what you said might "lower" your TDEE, but your TDEE is still your TDEE. Eat under your TDEE and you will lose weight. You shouldn't buy in to that insulin theory so much. Insulin is control by calories, leptin is controled by calories as well. It's all about calories, always has been, always will be.

And the next catch is that we are told that we need a minimum of 1,200 calories JUST to keep all the body's metabolic plates spinning. That leaves a woman totally without the luxury of being able to spend calories on anything that does not contribute to her health. You are wrong.

hfox9707

I will be honest I'm a horrible eater X_x I do however enjoy salads by some unknown reason I'm done eating today but I'll try larger salad tomorrow. Pmteet you could be right this could just be a craving more than hunger pain. So I guess the question is how do I kill the craving to eat. I been keeping up with the water intake thus far yay but not nearly enough veggies because I do not like how they taste X_x I sound like a little kid.

You need to eat more veggies, lean protein and healthy fats such as almonds or avocados. Eat protein with every meal. Stop eating processed foods. That will make your blood sugar go up, therefore your insulin go up. It will always make you crave. If you cut out white refined flour and sugar. You won't crave as much. Yes, keep drinking water.

SanteMulberry

For the 10th time, I ate a lot of junk food and lost 192lbs. I ate many oreo's, nutty butters, burritos, taco bell, ben and jerries, double cheese burgers all through my weight loss

Belowis a list of "healthy" food

Try this healthy diet for a month and tell us how it goes.

breakfast: 2 eggs with 3 table spoons olive oil 500 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
lunch: diced avocado with 2 tables of olive oil and seasoning 490 calories
snack: 10 dried figs 477 calories
dinner/desert: 10 tbs of natural peanut butter 950 calories

Honestly, what do you think will happen??? Oh btw the total amount of calories is ~ 3000 calories.

And if you keep eating that unhealthy stuff you will not keep the weight off. Your body needs healthy foods. You are right though the fact that I was thin most of my life because of healthy eating habits means I know nothing. I have seen this same argument since I was a child and saw my mother say the same things. She lost it all but then gained it all back. Continued this behavior through 3 heart attacks and is now almost 70 and is still over weight. She never learned to eat fruits and vegetables because she lost weight while eating Oreos My other family members have done the same thing. Lose and gain. They say look I can eat what I want. Sure you can loose weight and still have a cheese burger here and there but it can not be a staple. Healthy foods are a MUST. Your body needs these nutrients. and it is sad that in this day and age Fruits and veggies are not as respected as Oreo's.

I am gone from this conversation because obviously people want to eat the oreo's and feel they can still loose and maintain weight loss. Like I said I have seen it throughout my life. Same argument for 40 years and it has not worked long term in all that time.

Long term weight loss is about habits, not food choices. There are many many people who eat junk 24/7 and are at a healthy weight. I think you're misunderstanding, no one is saying eat junk food 24/7. Why did your mother gain it back? Because she ate "junk food" she lost the weight doing it. She gained it back because she didn't learn the proper habits to keep it off. Had nothing to do with the food.

But you are a man and have an automatic weight loss advantage over a woman. Women have 2 to 3 times the level of circulating leptin at the SAME BODY FAT LEVEL as a man. What that means is that just about every obese woman has leptin resistance. For many, many obese women, restricting carbohydrates is the only way to get (and keep) blood sugar under control (which is the real villain that stalks a woman's weight loss efforts). Because we have estrogen, not only do we run higher blood sugar levels but we also have 5 to 6 times the amount of thyroid dysfunction (because estrogen blocks the uptake of iodine). And since none of us go around munching iodine-rich dulse and kelp every day, a great many obese women have thyroid disease which is exacerbated by high-carb diets. Men can just cut back their eating. Women must pay attention to not only calories but the KIND of calories they are eating. Also, because men are larger in body mass, they can always out-eat a woman and not gain body fat.

No, calories are calories, all what you said might "lower" your TDEE, but your TDEE is still your TDEE. Eat under your TDEE and you will lose weight. You shouldn't buy in to that insulin theory so much. Insulin is control by calories, leptin is controled by calories as well. It's all about calories, always has been, always will be.

I was well on my way to Type II diabetes when I hit the carbohydrate brakes and put things to rights. Yes--total calories are important BUT, if at the end, your nutritional status is poor, you will regain the weight. I followed calorie-restricted diets for years--I'm NOT a newbie. But when I paid attention to only the calories and not the TYPE of calories, I felt (and looked) like junk when I was done. And the weight inevitably came back. I have SLOWLY lost my weight over the last three years and I have NOT ONCE gained an ounce back. The reason why is that I eat VERY WELL. I pay as much attention to WHAT I am eating as I am to how much I am eating and it is paying the dividends that I need. I could eat 1,380 calories in doughnuts every day, and I would likely lose weight, but I would feel like crap and NEVER be able to keep it off.

P.S. You should read up on leptin. Did you read what I wrote?

I read up on leptin years ago, I am majoring in biochemistry, so i know all about leptin and the hormones you mentioned. I still stick to what i said.

You're saying you haven't gained weight back because you eat very well... So you're saying when you only focused on your calories you gained it back? How is that possible, unless you start to eat above your TDEE and gain weight back. You gained it back because you ate over your TDEE. Not because of the food you ate.

As I said before, no one is saying "eat junk food 24/7" our point is weight loss is about calories. You want a donut and it fits in to your calories, eat it. No big deal. If you want to eat 10 donuts... not a good idea.

My point is, which i have said already is for people to stick to a weight loss plan. You think someone who is obese stuffing their face with chips, pizzas, burgers everyday can do a 180 with their diet? and eat "healthy?" over night? It doesn't work like that. What you and the other lady are saying will read someone to failure, because they just can't stick to it. If these people ate the food they usually eat and slightly cut their calories, that's more manageable. Over time they should clean up their diet.

It simply doesn't work that way for me and MANY other women. When we eat a diet that is overbalanced in carbohydrates, we are miserable and hungry all the time. When you end a diet with nutritional deficits, you will regain. It is a near certainty. Ever really look at those women who are 45 and been on calorie-restriction only for most of their lives? They look terrible and feel terrible because they are UNHEALTHY. What I and the other poster are saying IS the ONLY way to permanent weight loss--and this is especially so for women. In the past, I DID regain because I inevitably ate above my TDEE because I was SICK. My body was desperately searching for nutrients. In addition, I was so worn out and lacking in energy from the constant dieting that I couldn't even exercise at all. And that just made the problem worse.

P.S. I have thyroid disease as well. Maybe I always had it--I was raised in the "goiter belt". But a high-carb diet only makes thyroid problems worse.

Capt_Inzane

I like water but it never satisfied my hunger. I now drink tea and the benefits at least for me are tremendous not sure if anyone else mentioned tea but you may want to give it a shot. Plenty of flavors in caff and decaff varieties!

Goodluck!

pmteet

So I guess the question is how do I kill the craving to eat. I been keeping up with the water intake thus far yay but not nearly enough veggies because I do not like how they taste X_x I sound like a little kid.

I am not sure you can easily kill the craving to eat. I think it comes from redirecting yourself. I wish I had the answer. the only time I really had a strong urge to eat was when I was pregnant. But I see my family struggle and they have been doing better. Hubby use to eat EVERY DAY after supper. I kept asking him to stop because I knew how much he ate for dinner and knew he should not be hungry. He finally stopped. But it was a sloooow process. It took about 4 months before he was in the swing of things. It is like any bad habit. The best way to stop a bad habit is replace it with a good one!

SanteMulberry

"...As I said before, no one is saying to eat junk food 24/7. Sounds like you're saying 'it's all or nothing.' I am trying to remember an article i wrote about thyroid and carbs... I don't even remember what it said, maybe it was metabolism and carbs. Oh yes, i think it was how low carb diets adversely effect thyroid, which slows down the metabolic rate. Yeah I believe that was it. That it was good to eat high carbs for a week or so to rebalance your hormones..."

That is why I only eat LOWER carbs. I don't put my body into ketosis as I believe that is likely counterproductive as it can reduce lean body mass. That is why I eat more carbs in preparation for my heavier exercise days--so that I can limit catabolizing my muscles. So far, it has been working. I have reduced my waist measurement by over 10 inches. And I am much stronger because I have been lifting weights.. They tell me that I can't put on much muscle since I am eating at a deficit. Even though my muscles seem harder I doubt that I have put on a lot of muscle mass, but I am working hard to try to reduce my body fat further before I try to build much muscle. I'm working as hard as I can and I don't think a lot of you men appreciate just how difficult weight control and loss is for many women. When my husband feels like he is getting chubby, he cuts out desserts for a month and drops ten pounds.

Fairlieboy

and anyone who thinks that fructose is dangerous to human health, bear in mind that we're primates and most species of primates eat fruit (which is full of fructose). are you going to call the zoo and tell them they should stop feeding fruit to all the other species of primate?

This is not the issue. The issue is that the average American, (probably most overweight western countries) consumes 13% of their average daily energy from ADDED fructose. Big difference between a glass containing 240mls (8oz) of orange juice or a packet of oreos, or 4 oranges. You are full after the 4 oranges because of their fibre. You stop eating. You are full. Have a glass of OJ, then tuck into another 400 calories of breakfast. Try 1 small packet of raisins. Eat a pound (0.4kg) of grapes. Which makes you feel full?
This forum was about tired of feeling hungry. So avoid high energy foods that do not "fill you up". And that means cutting out sugar because that does 2 things. Calorie intake, and lack of hunger feedback means you keep eating.

mistesh

Growing up, I was so used to either feeling starved or stuffed. I didn't know what it felt like to just feel satisfied. I thought full meant stuffed. But really, full only means satisfied.

I eat healthy and feel satisfied when I am done eating.

Now I eat until I feel full and I feel satisfied.

it is just an idea to try in effort to learn to reduce portions and feel satisfied.

Eat more protein veggies and oats will keep you full for much longer

fiber and protein fill you up and take longer to digest, so you feel satisfied longer.

So avoid high energy foods that do not "fill you up".

Who knows, we might be better off not using terms such as full and satisfied, as we can't agree on what they mean!

If you're tired off food cravings, it's quite simple. Eat healthy low-glycemic food. Processed food on the other hand may give you withdrawal at the end of digestion, a discomfort which is not hunger. Real hunger comes later. In short, between meal snacks aren't needed.

Oh yes, emotional eating. Well, that's something else of course.

neanderthin

Train wreck.